Uber E-Hailing Ride Service Accused of Gouging For Trying to Keep Drivers Working
Uber, market leader with a variety of ride services available via smartphone app, has gotten a surge of bad publicity lately over its "surge pricing" policies--a (much) higher surcharge over typical fares. It hikes prices during bad snowstorms, and pissed off New Yorkers for it, with a $94 fare for a two mile, 11 minute trip over this snowy weekend. It also does so during rush hour, and pissed off an Angeleno for it with a $357 fare for a 14 mile, 49 minute trip.
Company policy is to inform riders that surge pricing is in effect before rides are taken, though in the case of the L.A. fare mentioned above, the passenger claims she wasn't warned--a claim Uber disputes. Since Uber drivers only work when they decide they want to work, the surge pricing is largely designed, Uber claims, to keep drivers on the road during times when they might be likely to think the standard fares aren't worth the trouble for them.
It's an attempt to adjust supply to demand under changing circumstances. It will doubtless never satisfy everyone and for sure is going to result in retroactive regret on the part of some passengers, which isn't good for Uber. It's especially not good when it becomes a national Internet meme about how awful your prices are.
That said, Michael Hiltzik at the Los Angeles Times hits on what will likely be the thing to "discipline" Uber if it needs discipline: competition:
One other factor tends to limit gouging: fear of consumer rage. That's a fear Uber hasn't yet acquired, perhaps because it doesn't think it needs to. At the moment it's the big cheese in ride-sharing and its typical clients can afford to shoulder the surge (or charge it to their expense accounts), griping all the way. But what happens when its reputation for caring nothing about customer relations starts biting back, as it surely will some day? There's always room for a rival billing itself as a "kinder, gentler Uber," and this weekend may just have given some clever entrepreneur an idea.
I wrote about Uber and other such e-hailing services (such as Lyft, an already-existing competitor to part of Uber's model) upending the hired driving industry back in October as California became the first state to try to regulate them.
Reason TV on Uber and other ride services v. city governments:
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Yeah, how could anybody ever think $47 a mile is unreasonable? That's crazy talk.
That depends. How much was it worth to you to not walk in a nasty snowstorm? Considering that Uber tells you up front what the cost can be, these people are just pissing vinegar over being stupid consumers.
Now, if Uber said one thing at the start and another at the end, that's different, but there's nothing here to suggest that happened.
Another David|12.17.13 @ 8:35PM|#
"Yeah, how could anybody ever think $47 a mile is unreasonable?"
Simple: Walk or find another way.
BUT I WANT MY CHEAP RIDE NOW!!!
Brian D|12.17.13 @ 9:26PM|#
"BUT I WANT MY CHEAP RIDE NOW!!!"
You know those darn airlines jam people into tight seats! They must be swimming in the profits they're making!
BTW, I did an inflation-correction on airline tickets a while ago; when I started flying on business in the late '60s, I was paying what amounts to 1st-class tickets now.
'Course, I could walk up and get on a plane...
Damn Sevo, how old are you?
Francisco d Anconia|12.17.13 @ 10:21PM|#
"Damn Sevo, how old are you?"
This is true, but it doesn't really answer your question:
The second car I ever owned was a Ford T.
Oh, and it wasn't stock.
I assume first class came with a handjob then. Presumably as a government regulation (hey, they regulated the size of sandwiches on planes).
Hell, I couldn't afford 1st-class and neither could my clients.
I'm pretty sure whatever it cost, it still didn't come with the full-recline, 'would-you-like-some-soothing-music-and-a-drink' Recaro seats I got on Lufthansa last time.
About six months ago I drove to LA through Big Sur down CA-1. It's a pretty but desolate stretch of road, and I was sure glad to find a gas pump when I did despite starting off with a full tank. So much so that I didn't even mind paying the $6+ per gallon they were charging.
So I don't pay much heed to price gouging. It is precisely when you need it the most that a good is most valuable.
Yet again an example of the "unfettered capitalism" that His Holiness Pope Francis decries.
But hotels in Stupid Bowl cities raising prices is totally OK, as is charging way more for gas when a fucking hurricane knocks out a shitload of refinery capacity.
By which I mean, it IS OK.
It's called "the market" people - look into it.
Sorry you have to take a cab.
And they say another competitor might come along as if it's a bad thing.
The app gives you a full screen telling you what the surge pricing is before you hail the car, and you have to click past the surge screen before it's even possible to hail the car. It also lets you get an estimate before you hail the car. So these people are idiots if they're surprised by how much it costs.
Max Power|12.17.13 @ 9:11PM|#
"The app gives you a full screen telling you what the surge pricing is before you hail the car, and you have to click past the surge screen before it's even possible to hail the car."
I've never used the ap, so I didn't realize this was the case.
In effect, you must agree to the pricing before you ask for a ride? Can't be much more clear than that.
But I Just click past that crap the same way I do with EULAs. Uber can't expect me to agree to something I inadvertently agreed to! WAAAAH!
....and thus was born the Cent-iPad....
It doesn't say exactly what the total for the ride will be because you could get stuck in traffic or something. But it makes you agree to 1.5X, 2X, or whatever surge pricing.
Also, everyone I've used it and had to pay the surge pricing, someone from uber has emailed me a few days later with a credit for a free ride.
So basically it's people who aren't familiar with 1x prices.
"2x" isn't very helpful when you have no idea what "1x" might cost.
Pro Tip: Don't buy stuff that you can't personally estimate the price of. IOW, "If you have to ask how much it costs, you can't afford it."
Sounds like a case of blatant racism.
You know who else wanted to be hailed a lot?
Mary?
Obo!
Caesar?
New York cabbies?
Picnickers?
Storm chasers?
FUNNY!
Doug Flutie?
Surge pricing, like mandatory voter ID, is just another thinly disguised way of saying "we don't give rides to coloreds during certain hours" or "we don't allow coloreds to vote in these elections" by simply requiring things that are impossible for coloreds to obtain; such as picture IDs; or more money than can be earned by selling food stamps or peddling small amounts of crack or pot.
+1 'Merkin impersonation
I thought it was an impression of leftists who are oblivious to their own racism.
OT:
Snowden is an optimist:
"Snowden: NSA's indiscriminate spying 'collapsing'"
[...]
"Edward Snowden wrote in a lengthy "open letter to the people of Brazil" that he's been inspired by the global debate ignited by his release of thousands of NSA documents"...
http://www.sfgate.com/news/cri.....070512.php
I hope so, and I wish him well. Not sure a Snowden Defense Fund would do a lot of good with the feds after his ass, but I'd sure contribute in the hopes of encouraging others.
+1
I'd absolutely contribute to Snowden's defense fund.
"There's always room for a rival billing itself as a "kinder, gentler Uber," and this weekend may just have given some clever entrepreneur an idea."
Attracting new competitors is one thing, but those ridiculous fares indicate that there's probably plenty of room to deregulate the industry, too.
Show me an industry where prices are distorted so badly, and I'll show you an industry where the government has probably erected some stupid barriers to entry.
This is a lesson knee-jerk interventionists will never understand. Their desire for retribution knocks off the first company to exhibit the signals necessary for coordinating prices, and thereafter only politically connected monopolists are permitted access to the market.
This, and the fact that they fail to recognize the many more numerous happy customers thrilled by the cheaper off-peak rates, is why we can't have nice things. It rained one night during my stay in New York, and while we waited for a bus my host explained that taxis become much scarcer when it does. The alternative to expensive fares when demand is high isn't inexpensive fairs, it's unavailable service. That's it.
The alternative to expensive fares when demand is high isn't inexpensive fairs, it's unavailable service.
See, for example, nationlized healthcare.
Are the prices really that badly distorted? Were I an Uber driver, I know it would take a fairly hefty sum to get me out onto the streets in heavy snow in NYC or to get me to brave LA rush hour traffic.
The Jewish Daily Forward and one of its reporters lose a freedom of information case in New York. They want the name of a mohel who gave a baby herpes while doing a circumcision procedure which involves oral contact. The court wants to protect the mohel's privacy.
http://religionclause.blogspot.....ation.html
I don't hear the Billy goats Gruff trotting over my bridge...
For folks who have used Uber, how does it work in a situation like "just flew into x airport, heading for someplace"?
Have a trip planned at the end of January (Miami), considering I may not even need a taxi, and it may not be unreasonable to fly into Ft. Lauderdale for a cheaper flight.
If you're in San Fran, the taxi nazis at the airport will hunt them down. It's truly a sight to see with all the signs inside the terminal warning you not to anger the cartel by using a competitor. But, I Ubered from the hotel to SFO with no problem.
JW,
What was the charge? Pretty sure it's $40-50 + tip in a cab from a downtown hotel.
50 bucks + tip. But, it was in a town car.
You can't set up a pickup in advance. You open the app and it'll tell you how far away an available car is. I'd imagine there are plenty of cars around the airport though. Also, it's not in every city.
Posted this over in the TV room, but they're too glass-eyed to notice:
"A federal advisory group reported Tuesday that federal workers have fallen slightly further behind the private sector in pay, a trend that union leaders said they hope will be stopped by getting the government back in the habit of paying annual raises.
The Federal Salary Council, a group of union officials and pay policy experts, said that the average "pay gap" in favor of the private sector now stands at 35.4 percent, up from 34.6 percent last year and 26.3 percent in 2011."
Yes, folks, a gummint/union agency finds that gummint/union workers are UNDERPAID!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....957&clsrd;
Shocking. I am a bit glass-eyed at the moment. I blame Kennedy, or five Negronis.
I flipped over to Pawn Stars, and it's full of shit-for-brains. "Buck Rogers was kind of the first sci-fi!"
Barbara Walters says "we" expected Obama to be "the next messiah," admits the phrase may be inappropriate during the Christmas season and while ocare is collapsing.
http://ow.ly/rRQ5E
Sour e: NewsBusters
Source, NewsBusters
what did bawa wawews say?
There's a wideo and a twanscwipt.
"what did bawa wawews say?"
She said "Don't pull the life support!"
"Next" messiah could almost be correct, depending on how you read it. There is a long line of purported messiahs.
Why men have dominated the cover of TIME's historic franchise
Unless it's 1200 words of Larry Summers concern trolling feminists to explain the preponderance of men at the highest in terms of bell curves and fat tails, I'm not sure I can work up the fortitude for this.
Ugh. ^in the highest strata, I meant to say.
What lotto winners really spend their money on.
Blackjack, and hookers
Hookers and blow.
Nymphomaniac - Lars Von Trier's sex epic is a four-hour cold shower, but it ravishes the brain
Who likes that shit?
Nymphochondriacs?
I bet you'd love to be friends with Brodie Smith.
doucheBRO! Put a fucking shirt on!
That's actually pretty cool
Yeah, I play Ultimate, and I'm pretty good with a disc. He's insanely good, and could not be more of stereotypical frat bro about it either.
The Douchebag Obamacare mascot is the gift that keeps on giving.
I also think we finally have a name for him.
Progressive Pat. Not bad.
Drew Baker ?@qm512 4h
@Heminator @allahpundit And why is a beta male hipster douchebag the face of this campaign?
Cuz the Dem party think all the millennials are just like Ezra Kline. Rather then a very small subgroup of a subgroup.
Let's harvest some christmas trees
4000 hours of Choplifter.
Awesome, though. Also, didn't they do that in a bond movie?
Count Negroni|12.17.13 @ 10:56PM|#
"4000 hours of Choplifter."
Are you saying you have 4K hours in a rotary wing?
If you're offering to put some guy on the internet named after a gin-based cocktail behind the controls of a helicopter.... yes.
So I asked the Beaver pilot 'How many hours you got in this thing?'
He looked at his watch and sorta grinned, and said 'I was born in one of these'.
I said 'That's fine, I just don't wanna die in one'.
He's good. No wonder they're so expensive.
Why the fuck didn't the first truck take off right after it was filled?
I hope the truck driver and the foreman got fired.
I hope they guy gets paid by the piece! Figuring that pendulum swing isn't easy and he sure makes it look like it is.
You all know the difference between old pilots and bold pilots.
Meh. They're all damn sexy!
Chopper lessons are expensive. Therefore chopper pilots are rich. Therefore they are sexy.
Chicks dig pilots because they are better than everyone else. 😉
One of the godfathers of PUA, now retired, on the state of the community.
I didn't make it past reading the tweet.... was this guy involved?
Neil's actually a pretty good guy all around as far as I can tell. I just like his writing, I've never practiced pickup.
Actually, my biggest fear is a violent, painful death. Does that make me weird?
I think it works for most people if you also consider the odds of confronting the object of the fear. Though as a group we do tend to be weird.
Oh, that's not what makes you weird.
Anyone seen this new sitcom yet?
Check out first class on Emirates
I'm all for the bed option. All I want to do on an airplane is sleep. A full bed would kick ass!
Quite a few of the trans-Atlantic flights offer that now. It's bizz-class, so ya gotta apring.
With service like that, you almost wish for a China Clipper to enjoy if for a while.
Merry Christmas from Bad Religion.
A special treat for the night owls: 100% allegedly genuine answers kids gave on school tests:
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#19 is epic.
Am I seeing the test pattern?
Well, I might have linked this before, but the animation is genius:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooc5eJc5SHA
Why is Yasser Arafat singing Christmas carols?
Ever see Yasser handle a mic like that? I didn't THINK so...
Tyro, nothing but.
Chief Lizzie Faux-hawk proposes banning employer credit checks
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) introduced a bill Tuesday that would prevent employers from discriminating against job applicants who have poor credit.
The legislation, co-authored with six Democratic senators, prohibits credit checks in the hiring process.
In an MSNBC interview on Tuesday, Warren explained that outlawing credit score disclosure would allow potential employees to compete on their ability to do a job, not on their economic standing.
"People ought to be able to get out there and compete for a job based on whether or not they can do the job, not based on whether or not they can pay their bills or whether or not they've had a problem in the past: a divorce, a job loss, a death in the family, the kinds of things that cause people to have financial problems," Warren said.
Warren, a defender of the middle class, argued that mandatory credit score disclosure is one way "the game is rigged" in favor of the financially stable.
Wouldn't poor credit, in many cases, reflect irresponsibility or poor decision making?
Wha..umm..If y..err...*sigh* But...umm.
THE FUCK?!?
"a defender of the middle class"
Yeah, nothing biased or leading about that reporting in what is supposed to be a news article.
It's Huffpo, what do you expect?
..."is one way "the game is rigged" in favor of the financially stable."
Yes, and I'd prefer to keep it that way.
I'm not a defender of the middle class!
Perhaps we could ban job interviews as well? Fuck her Cherokee ass!
"Fuck her Cherokee ass!"
There's none there!
interesting. I wonder if it overrides her CFPB rule that require credit checks for licenses to work.
it doesn't. it exempts the government.
Know what else is rigged in favor of the financially stable?
MATH.
"Homeownership is rigged in favor of the financially stable"
Shit, what isn't?
Note that AFAIK Fauxcahontas hasn't said that. The phrase 'rigged in favor of the financially stable' just pisses me off.
How Australian are you?
I've got some Russell Crowe in me, it says.
You got: Hugh Jackman
You're so Australian you're best friends with the man who owns all the media in Australia - Ruport Murdoch. You're so Australian that when you sneeze, Vegemite comes out. You're so Australian that?you're Hugh Jackman.
Vegemite is a prank for tourists.
Yeah, Got Russell Crowe, too.
Portia De Rossi
"It's sad really. You were once Australian, but now you don't even talk with an accent 🙁 Why you gotta be like that?"
Yeah, me too. Sucks.
Yeah, I don't want to BE Portia De Rossi...
The worst part would be knowing how Ellen DeGeneres tastes.
Read the headline on the Huffington Post. Observe the outpouring of compassion by the Progressive commentariat!
Of course, by compassion, I mean using this woman's tragedy as a soapbox for pro-abortion, screeching that Indians shouldn't be allowed to use fertility drugs because they view India as "overpopulated", and when that fails, blunt, honest-to-goodness racism.
But I'm certain some random huffpo commenter can sort it out.
The hot molten rock beneath Yellowstone National Park is 2 ? times larger than previously estimated, meaning the park's supervolcano has the potential to erupt with a force about 2,000 times the size of Mount St. Helens, according to a new study.
Well, the good news is I'm most likely in the primary blast radius and won't starve to death.
Don't worry, we still got Tommy Lee Jones on our side.
We need to build a pipeline to pump molten lava to off the coast somewhere so we get rid of the lava and get new islands!
Can someone please point out to me anything incorrect in even a damn syllable this woman said?
She inherited a lot of money. She should have said, "I am donating half my money to the Nation to support progressive journalism."
Progs are so Jellie. Maybe they need to go to Jellie School.
These are truisms which everyone knows but which are in fact entirely incoherent as advice, advice given by a furiously ugly woman who happens to be the world's richest. And that makes her contemptible.
Sure, it's one thing to suggest the poor stop drinking, but quite another to suggest how they otherwise invest their time. Ditto smoking and socializing. And double-ditto "doing something."
Because doing something requires certainty about the world, requires making an investment, risking inputs of both time and money, neither of which the working poor possesses in spades.
The poor don't need truisms and advice for entrepreneurs. The poor need bread and circuses, and to be corralled, because what's best for the poor is a system by which the most marginal producers can be dragged up by their hackles from their piddling lives and given proper places in civil society. This woman's a walking canker sore for pro-capitalists.
Arizona is getting to be more like Australia - even our cows are killers.
http://www.yumasun.com/news/co.....f6878.html
She had mootive.
I blame Republican au-steer-ity.
It was a steak-out.
These puns are udderly tasteless. How much more humor can we milk out of them?
I know, now, why the brown cow kills.
Haha... what verbal thrashing. Scientist has some choice words for anti-vaccine women.
http://www.quickmeme.com/p/3vqjb0
So NBC will air a show about cops that routinely violate suspects' rights, use torture, and violate numerous other laws and the cops are the heroes. So it's nothing new, but yet the bile rises anyway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_PD_
And here is the proper link: http://tinylink.net/35qrh
Being right is more important then being happy
http://www.latimes.com/science.....z2no9Bjx6s
"By then the male participant found the female participant to be increasingly critical of everything he did," the researchers reported. The husband couldn't take it anymore, so he made his wife a cup of tea and told her what had been going on.
Most awesome thing ever. It is only one couple but still friggin hilarious. That the best way to get your wife off your ass is not to agree with her but in fact you need to disagree with her or she will only pour it on even more.
lol, OK so why am I not surprised?
http://www.AnonGoes.tk
What did people expect with a name like Uber?
Taxicabs take you to the cleaners, Uber takes you to the showers.
Isn't there ALREADY competition in Uber's market? I believe they are called "taxis".
Don't like Uber's surge pricing? Then hail a cab. If you can't find a cab, that is not Uber's fault.
Arguably, Uber might do better business by just paying drivers more and absorbing the loss during emergencies, and raising regular fares otherwise to cover the occasional losses. There's something to be said for reliability and guarenteed service.
Or, they could do something like an opinions service.
Allow individuals to "subscribe" to a guarenteed ride service at a certain price per month, so if a snowstorm hits or whatever, they are still gaurenteed to get a lift and at the standard fare, instead of surge pricing.
Get a bit creative. There are a number of mechanisms that Uber could use to win customer loyalty to make up for not having surge pricing.
I DEMAND CONGRESS ACT NOW! OUTLAW SNOWSTORMS!