Will U.S. Deal with Iran Make Israel and Saudis Become Allies?
So the U.S. (by which we mean Germany, France, England, Russia, China, and the U.S.) and Iran are striking a deal about nuclear development in the Peacock Kingdom and U.N. sanctions.
One odd byproduct? An aligning of interest between Israel and Saudi Arabia, which are hardly friendly to one another. Yet both countries - along with a number of other Sunni-majority states in the Middle East - are absolutely opposed to the United States cozying up to Iran.
The Saudis now fear Obama may be tempted to thaw ties with Tehran by striking a deal to expand inspections of its atomic sites in return for allowing Iranian allies to go on dominating Arab countries such as Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. That such a bargain has never been publicly mooted from within the Obama administration has not stopped Saudis voicing their concerns.
"I am afraid in case there is something hidden," said Abdullah al-Askar, chairman of the foreign affairs committee in Saudi Arabia's advisory parliament, the Shoura Council. "If America and Iran reach an understanding it may be at the cost of the Arab world and the Gulf states, particularly Saudi Arabia."
As Ed Krayewski noted earlier today, Israel - or at least its elected leader, Benjamin Netanyahu - is apoplectic at the deal. And as Matt Welch wrote, hawkish elements in the American GOP are trying to wrap any deal with Iran in the mantle of appeasement and Munich Redux. Given that a majority of Americans are interested in seeing the United States play a more limited role in disputes around the globe, it's going to be tough sledding for hawks to push the idea that we need to be bombing Iran even as we negotiate with the country. Funny how a decade-plus of failed foreign wars have made everyone but neocon hawks rethink U.S. foreign policy, isn't it?
Which isn't to say that Obama is a good spokesman for American interests. He's a trigger-happy character himself, who tripled troops in Afghanistan, tried to stay in Iraq past the original withdrawal date (something he's succeeding at in Afghanistan incidentally), unconstitutionally dispatched American forces over Libya, and was all set to bomb Syria until wiser, cooler heads won the battle of public opinion.
And then there's John Kerry, our secretary of state. As Hawkeye Pierce once said of Col. Henry Blake, the hapless commander of the good ol' fashioned M*A*S*H 4077 in that awful TV series that lasted five times longer than the Korean War, I honestly believe John Kerry could get held up via the mail.
Is Iran a trustworthy negotiating partner? Kind of a weird question coming from people in a country that was bugging the phone of Angela Merkel and other allies, but no, Iran isn't trustworthy. Which doesn't mean you don't negotiate with them - it just means you trust but verify, as Reagan counseled with the Soviets.
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"ME AM NOT SECRETARY OF STATE! ME AM NOT HAPPY TO MEET YOU! HELLO!"
He looks like he just got attacked by a swarm of bees.
And the bees had sex with every hole in his face.
He looks like an aging punch drunk boxer. What the hell happened to his nose?
Not the beees! Noooooarrarrgarghagharghagrg! /Nick Cage
Isn't he a little old to have wisdom teeth removal?
Honestly, I was going to ask if he had a stroke. I mean, I know everyone doesn't take perfect pictures every time, but...
Botox makes for a helluva poker face!
"Sometimes when I get a message on my fax machine, I wonder: 'Did little demons get inside and type it?' I don't know! My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts. But there is one thing I do know - when a man like my client slips and falls on a sidewalk in front of a public library, then he is entitled to no less than two million in compensatory damages, and two million in punitive damages. Thank you."
Kind of a weird question coming from people in a country that was bugging the phone of Angela Merkel and other allies...
I know, right? Surely they were bugging the phones of Iranian diplomats and know if they're being honest injuns.
Since when does bugging national leaders make you "untrustworthy"? Reason really is a special kind of stupid when it comes to these issues. Every government spies on other governments. We want them to do that. If each government knows what the other one is thinking, the chances of a miscalculation and a war are a hell of a lot lower.
Let me put it in terms Reason can understand. Wouldn't it have been nice if Saddam Hussein had bugged the White House and knew that despite what the French and Russians were telling him, George Bush wasn't bluffing and really was going to invade if Iraq didn't comply with the UN? He might not have called Bush's bluff and there might not have been a war.
He might not have called Bush's bluff
He didn't call a bluff though, he called a made hand.
You see a bluff is when your actions represent a hand that is stronger than the cards you actually possess. That wasn't what was happening art Iraq.
And if you can't verify, then what? The bottom line is that if Iran judges that the US is never going to use force to stop them, they have no reason to abide by any deal. This is not hard. This is what North Korea has done for decades. Every few years show up and promise to do better this time in return for something you want and then just ignore the deal after you get what you want.
Israel and Saudi Arabia have been allies on this issue for years. No one in the middle east wants Iran to get the bomb and every government there knows that is exactly what Iran wants. The rest of the middle east is not going to sit around and do nothing while the Iranians build nuclear weapons. They will either strike Iran on their own or go to Pakistan and build their own nuclear weapons to counter Iran's.
One wonders what Iran may have learned from Obama's embarrassing Syria debacle. If Obama announces the deal by warning of a 'red line' if Iran does x what incentive would Iran have to not blow past that line?
I realize many in Congress will do what the Israel lobby wants, but I can't imagine a messy war with Iran is something the administration would want.
They learned he is a moron whose word means nothing. See my comment above. "Trust but verify" is a joke. The Iranians are going to happily take the reduced sanctions and then tell Obama to go fuck himself and re-open that reactor. What is Obama going to do about it?
I'd like to apologize to my parents for spending all that money so I could get a degree in International Studies with a focus on Foreign Policy. I find foreign policy-related articles to be my least favorite on reason (or any media outlet, for that matter). It's probably all the political disingenuousness of a condominium board on a global scale that gets my goat and makes me disinclined to hear about it.
Do they train you to deny reality, forget all history and say stupid things? I have never met a DOS person who wasn't a complete moron with no knowledge or appreciation of history. It is a simple rule, nations are going to act in what they see as their best interests and are generally going to do whatever they think they can get away with.
I dunno. I'm talking about my college degree. I don't come into contact with many FSOs, and would certainly never talk foreign policy with any of them!
Don't do it. They might infect you with nonsense.
Like I said, I already have a degree in that nonsense. I lived and breathed it for four years, plus another 5 years of working in the field after college. I ain't no spring chicken.
"Will U.S. Deal with Iran Make Israel and Saudis Become Allies?"
Why not? Gushers of money plus brains and determination, pushing in a general direction likely to be favorable to the USA.
M*A*S*H was a great show Gillespie. Your taste in television is as lacking as your knowledge of how many votes it takes to break a filibuster.
Gillespie wouldn't be Gillespie if wasn't for lame irrelevant pop-culture references and his "too cool for school" internet snark. Also Gillespie is hideously unfunny so he shouldn't be bashing anyone for not being funny.
Also M*A*S*H lasted only less than 4 times the actual war not five. That's one more thing he doesn't have knowledge of.
Time also for us to move out of Bahrain, and stop giving such short shrift to the Shi'ite majority there, who have been persecuted for years by their Sunni rulers.
Thanks for making me look at such a gross, disgusting picture.
Thanks a lot.
Worse then that picture of necrotized legs from the other day.
Not like anyone will see this, but it helps pass the time on the swing shift:
Kerry looks a lot like Khan after Kirk messed him up in 2:
"From Hell's heart, I stab at thee! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!"
Apparently Kerry's face is old news. Just Google "did john kerry have a stroke?" and enjoy.