Prison Sentence Teaches Former Police Chief How Awful Mandatory Minimums Are

Former New York Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik served three years in federal prison for tax fraud. Upon release he gave an interview to the Today show as he embarked on a new crusade informed by his experiences: Fighting against mandatory minimums. Politico breaks down the interview:
"These young men, they come into the prison system. First-time, non-violent offense, a low-level drug offense: The system is supposed to help them. Not destroy them," Kerik said in an interview on NBC's "Today" show that aired on Friday.
Kerik criticized the federal mandatory minimum system for putting people away for 10 years for 5 grams of cocaine, handing NBC's Matt Lauer a nickel.
"When I came into the system, I didn't realize it's a nickel. Hold it. Do you feel the weight of it? Feel it?" Kerik said. "I had no idea that for 5 grams of cocaine, which is what that nickel weighs, you could be sentenced to 10 years in prison. … That's insane."
As a former police commissioner, Kerik said "no one in the history of our country" has served prison time with his background, and that you have to be behind bars to understand what it's like "to be a victim of the system."
That's a brilliant idea! We should put more law enforcement officials and politicians behind bars for a couple of years.
The interview can be watched here.
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That's a brilliant idea! We should put more law enforcement officials and politicians behind bars for a couple of years.
I've been saying for awhile that politicians should be forced to serve a prison term commensurate with the length of their term in office. I guarantee that you'd see prison reform shoot to the top of the list of legislative priorities.
Or it'll encourage the opening of an opulent luxury penitentiary.
The Illinois Home for Retired Politicians never looked so good.
We can call it "administrative leave with pay".
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Cop apologist!
Believe it or not, when I first began taking libertarian ideas seriously (and bucking my fairly liberal upbringing) I briefly took umbrage with that movie and other buddy-cop comedies (which doesn't characterize it well, but whatever). Unlike my liberal youth I've learned to dissociate politics from my pleasures.
Ha! I can imagine that.
That movie is actually enjoyable as hell, maybe in part because of the asshole cop portrayed in it. And it's not like one can disown Lethal Weapon. or plenty of other movies.
Understand where you're coming from with that, though.
yippie-kai-yay-motherfucker!
A friend of mine does rigging for concerts and shoots in Albuquerque and worked on set for Beerfest. She claims she tried the "right meow?" line on Chandrasekhar when he asked her something, and the guy just gave her an aloof look and told her Yes, please. Not sure I buy it, but I like the story.
Oh, and Hot Fuzz.
SWAN!
Isn't that the guy from 1984?
He wasn't whining about his own sentence, he was standing up for some of the people he met in prison. I don't care what crimes he committed, this is a class act.
^+ one parole.
I thought the headline led to a whine about how badly he was treated.
Agreed. I'm impressed that he realized the error of his ways and is trying to help people.
Class act? He only got his trot on after promotion from Camp Guard to Capo.
As easy as it is to pile on this guy, I'll just hope that maybe he can help make a change.
Yeah, but it's bullshit that he didn't know what he was doing. "I had no idea we were sending people to prison for small amounts of drugs." Sure.
You know who else said they didn't know about people being incarcerated for bullshit reasons?
Former commissioner of NYPD isn't a failed landscape artist, is he?
Comrade Stalin?
+1... Kulak.
Barack Hussein Obama?
He probably knew as an intellectual matter. But, it's different to think of 5 grams as x number of hits and thinking of it as a nickle's weight of the stuff.
Bernie Kerik was (as you have to be to become NYPD commissioner) a real sleazebag; one of Giuliani's string of commissioners. It's interesting that he seems to have seen the light. I guess doing time will do that to you.
He also banged a shitload of women.
HO NO!
Oh wait, that was Spitzer. And the Post, not the Daily News.
If a topic shows up on 24/7 first, and there are comments, the comments should be moved onto the H&R thread.
Read some of the comments: Garry Boldwater is a real gem: "I believe New York is America's true capitol, and in fact the cultural capitol of the entire world. People are also largely tolerant, liberal, and genuinely value education and intellect and critical thinking. However, the NY Police have never reflected those value. Particularly under Giulianni and Bloomberg, one can hardly tell they are in a supposed liberal utopia, if you find yourself dealing with the police. The cops are angry & miserable (maybe because of the $29,000/year salaries), hostile toward the public, and operate in a scary crypto-fascist manner that resembles the behavior of 17-year-old jock bullies in some small Kansas town."
(maybe because of the $29,000/year salaries)
Hmmm....
First off, I don't believe that figure. Second of all, Seattle cops start... START at somewhere around the $65-70 mark, and they're no less angry and miserable.
LIke the school system, throwing money at it doesn't necessarily draw better results.
That was true in a recent union contract - I don't know if it's true anymore. Basically, the then-current crop had cheerfully chosen to throw their future "brothers" under the bus in order to prolong the cushy terms of their contract. It was big news a few years ago that fresh NYC cops were being paid less than in every surrounding town.
Speaking of buses...
What are the odds I can get someone to link me to Tony's "hit by a bus" post, seeing as how I missed all the mirth originally, and am having no luck finding it on my own?
...he asked with a weak segue in the most recent thread available.
... continued: If New York is a liberal utopia, I'll take Hell, thank you very much. People are largely tolerant, liberal and value...critical thinking but he then goes on to describe police behavior as "...the behavior of 17-year-old bullies in some small Kansas town." What an arrogant little shit stain.
Damn, I'd put the quotes in italics over on 24/7, but forgot to add them here. Geez.
I got the gist, but I have no idea what to make of it. For some reason, the first Manhattan of the evening kicked my ass pretty hard.
Proly has something to do with the big gulp cup that you mixed it in?
It was a completely standard 3 oz bourbon manhattan, even measured.
The rye Old Fashioned chaser isn't hitting as hard, fortunately. It's smoothing things out.
I need to learn to be a classy drunk. My biweekly 1.5L bottle of sauv doesn't really communicate "urbane, sensuous, complicated" after draining the seventh or so glass.
protip: whiskey/rye/bourbon all lead to using "fuck you" as punctuation.
Other protip? God Damn it, why didn't I stop for Campari on the way home?!?!
+1 Negroni
I stopped drinking Manhattens years ago. Switched to drinking Bronxes. They're much cheaper.
No. The big gulp cup is for tequila shooters.
Just because you didn't get the Footloose reference doesn't make him an arrogant little shit stain, Jesus.
A Footloose reference? For the love of Science, why?!!!
I think he has that backwards. If some small town jock is acting thuggishly he should be compared to the real goons, NYPD officers, though I seriously doubt such a kid could sink to that level.
I like that "The cops are angry & miserable (maybe because of the $29,000/year salaries)" part - it's not that hard to find the NYPD recruitment website and find out that starting pay is $45,000 and officers with 65 months service can expect to make twice that (without overtime or side security jobs) along with generous health insurance, vacation, sick leave and pension benefits. All that and you get to be a legal bully. Those poorly-paid cops are as poorly paid as the poorly-paid teachers.
There was substantial sarcasm in it, right?
I wonder if the arrogant fuck has the slightest inkling that the people in that small Kansas town think even less of him?
We should put politicians and law enforcement officers in prison, and then forget where we put the key.
That would certainly assure the candidates *really* wanted that position.
He believes because he has seen, but blessed are those who saw without having seen.
Ah, curses. Who believed without having seen, of course.
Then there's this pithy quote:
"Going to prison is like dying with your eyes open."
And the guy who said it was...
Andy Dufresne?
In tonight's production, the part of Red will be played by Representative Jesse Jackson Junior, while the part of Andy Dufresne will be played by Governor Rod Blagojevich.
The warden will be played by Governor George Ryan.
Seriously, this is an awesome billing, and there is a show here. Someone can turn this into gold.
Richard Nixon.
Papillion?
And Google sez: "Bernard Kerik".. #1 answer.
Prison Sentence Teaches Former Police Chief How Awful Mandatory Minimums Are for super important people like me!
Aside: I like to remind our stalwart public sector workers who think we should "be more like China", that in China, if you're caught misappropriating funds, they execute you.
To his credit, he has complaining on behalf of young kids getting ten year sentences for 5 grams of cocaine.
Yeah, I know, I agreed with everything he said. I just always feel it more comes from the "I got caught" perspective.
Or.. Possibly from seeing first time offenders being transformed from "fresh fish", to "human toilets", to full blown psycho/sociopaths over relatively minor offences, and often leaving the prison systems bereft of any dignity and compassion, and exponentially more fucked up than they were before they went in. How Mr. Kerik fared... well, I bet the jury is still out on that one... I wonder how he feels about "stop & frisk" being used to continuously stoke those prison furnaces?
FTFY
Kathleen Sebelius got a book to help with her troubles.
I was hoping for Mythical Man-Month, but this is just fine, too.
Also pictured is a government web developer.
She looks totally excited.
The only thing better would be if someone had rubbed shit in her face.
For Sebelius, that was close enough.
LOL.. +1
Nice.
Beautiful.
I am not favorably impressed. There is no way this guy was unaware of what the criminal justice system has been up to since....forever. His quip about the system's purpose being to help people is laughable.
The criminal justice system in this country exists for its own sake. Those young men he is talking about are just grist for the mill.
And you know he'll spend the rest of his days tirelessly working to repeal the mandatory sentencing laws he so strongly enforced during his career.
Should we complain about LEAP?
Jesus. Tough crowd. Yeah, the guy is far from perfect. Yeah, he was gung ho for enforcing this bullshit for years.
But, he's basically admitting he was wrong. He's agreeing with libertarians. How is that not a good thing to be applauded?
It is a good thing and should be encouraged, but it doesnt fix the thousands of lives ruined during his tenure.
^This.
It is, it's just a question of if he means it. And how much he convinced himself when he was going after those sentences.
Myself, I have a hard time believing you get to chief of police without any clue of the volume taken up by 5 grams of cocaine, while going after people for that.
So, sure, great to have him aboard for the anti-drug-war crowd, but we have to wonder, given how he convinced himself for so long, if it is a really conversion.
No shit. Kerik worked undercover in narcotics. In Harlem. In the late 80s.
It is easier to dehumanize the guy with a few ounces of crack when you're sending him to prison than when you're joining him there, which might explain the conversion, but Kerik knew exactly what 5 grams of crack looked like.
What, he was incarcerated with common criminals and survived? Dunphy used to say that incarcerating cops with the general inmate population was an automatic death sentence.
But as much as this guy is a total shitstain, he may be able to reach enough people to make a difference. Useful assholes, and all that.
Also, is police commissioner the same as chief of police? I thought that the chief of police was a uniformed position (like Chief of Staff fo the Army) and that commissioner was a "civilian" position (like sec'y of defense).
The NY Police commissioner is a uniformed job, IIRC. The NYPD has several chiefs (a natural development since the city is the result of a merger of several smaller cities) and it's the commish's job to oversee them.
That's a brilliant idea! We should put more law enforcement officials and politicians behind bars for a couple of years
Except of course there has been a rash of politicians and public officials busted for .000000000000008 alcohol and that hasn't slowed them down on the DUI shit.
Sorta on topic and amusing.
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Happy All Saints' Day Reasonoids.
I had a wonderful day here in paradise. Shot a limit of pheasants in just over an hour and my hunting companion was done in just over two.
Currently enjoying Goatherd's Pie made with antelope and a mild buzz on Gin and Tonics.
LIFE IS GOOD!
"Shot a limit of pheasants in just over an hour"
Bard a couple of 'em, make stuffing on the side and forget the turkey for T-day!
They are in the freezer left whole (I usually filet them) for that very purpose.
Wife told me she needed 3 for Thanksgiving before I left this AM. Pressure was on.
And sometimes I fillet them too.
But they fill the corners so well!
When I had 'em, I used wild rice for the dressing starch. Expensive, but goooood.
I read "pheasants" as "peasants"
Peasants are good with fava beans and a nice chianti. Slurp, slurp slurp...
Fucker. All I see when hunting is deer... from the truck.
I get a nice nap in the woods, though, I suppose. hell of a way to kill a hangover.
So you had to chase your partner around for a while before you capped him, right?
How to blow-up the Constitution
Clocking in at some 4,500 words?about the same length as the screenplay for an episode of Two and a Half Men?and without serious modification since 18-year-olds got the vote in 1971, the Constitution simply isn't cut out for 21st-century governance. It's full of holes, only some of which have been patched; it guarantees gridlock; and it's virtually impossible to change. "It gets close to a failing grade in terms of 21st-century notions on democratic theory," says University of Texas law professor Sanford Levinson, part of the growing cadre of legal scholars who say the time has come for a new constitutional convention.
Put simply, we've learned a lot since 1787. What was for the Founders a kind of providential revelation?designing, from scratch, a written charter and democratic system at a time when the entire history of life on this planet contained scant examples of either?has been worked into science. More than 700 constitutions have been composed since World War II alone, and other countries have solved the very problems that cripple us today. It seems un-American to look abroad for ways to change our sacred text, but the world's nations copied us, so why not learn from them?
700 constitutions over a 40 year period is something like 4 per independent nation-state.
Which would suggest that our remarkable political stability and domestic harmony is more than worth the price of making it harder for the author to get more free shit from the government.
Leaving aside the general terribleness of the idea, I've seen a copy of the Indian constitution.
It's a few hundred pages, covering rights to medical care, food, all sorts of things, with no idea of who should be forced to provide those entitlements.
Look, TOP MEN will figure all that out later. The important thing is just guaranteeing those 'rights' and giving government the authority to achieve them by a variety of means. What could possibly go wrong?
Reading the Soviet Union's constitution almost made me want to move there. Communist China's is pretty amusing, too.
NO Constitutional conventions until AFTER the next revolution.
Can you fucking imagine?
While I don't subscribe to Levin at all, I think he made a good point that, in a convention, amendments still have to be approved by 3/4 of states.
I could see some *very* fast migration in that event, though.
all that said, I'm scared as shit of what would come out of a constitutional convention these days.
"I'm scared as shit of what would come out of a constitutional convention these days."
I predict, if a convention is called, the country will split.
The commies/dems/progs would not settle for anything other than a soviet-like constitution chock full of positive rights and ultimate power. The rest, and I think it would be a surprisingly large number, would demand restoring and tweaking the one we have.
I can foresee a day not far in the future when the two living side by side cannot go on peacefully. If the proggies are smart, which they arent, they would put that day off as long as possible.
After the split, proggieland would become a pit of poverty and misery. Pseudo-libertopia would probably prosper. Then would come the inevitable bitching from the progs that we stole everything that should have been theirs and are wrecking their chances. Then war. A war they will lose.
I don't see the downside to any of that.
I do. I am a city boy (NYC) and I don't want to have to move.
How can you stand to live among them in such repression?
Would it look anything like this?
as much as I love the movie, I've never watched the trailer... holy shit...
about the same length as the screenplay for an episode of Two and a Half Men
Wouldn't most scripts for comparable episode length TV shows that aren't about mimes contain a similar amount of text? So choosing something as awful as two and a half men is an intentional slight, no?
code: cracked.
I glazed over that line, entirely.
The jackboots always list gridlock in their criticism of the constitution, and they use the word gridlock.
By using the word gridlock they are villifying what is deliberately built into our constitution and hoping you wont notice. Setting the different parts of our government against each other structurally, and with the commonly known checks and balances is a key feature of it. It prevents government power from being entirely unleashed against us, the people, and that is what they hate.
I can't disagree with a word of that, except:
It prevents
IF it prevents that, it is truly great, but it doesn't.
Prevents it from being entirely unleashed. It doesnt prevent it completely. There are still some constraints on what the government can do due to gridlock.
It's full of holes, only some of which have been patched; it guarantees gridlock; and it's virtually impossible to change.
It's almost like it was intentionally designed that way.
Nah, that's crazy.
21st-century governance
"These pesky rules are preventing us from unleashing an incompetently and hastily designed Hell on Earth!"
Sure, lets have a constitutional convention. Along with that - all those localities that do not wish to ratify the new constitution will be allowed to exit the union and form their own states, with their own constitutions.
Okay, but can we take it down to constituencies of one?
Only for landowners.
Done. Point out where I should sign on the social contract.
What I've found most amusing about the left's current pining for gridlock-free parliamentary systems is that if we had one, there would be no President Obama or Majority Leader Reid, only Prime Minister Boehner.
".. only Prime Minister Boehner."
*Groan*
OT, but AMAZING:
City Gov't union employee gets fired for killing someone!
"S.F. fires gardener who allegedly ran over woman"
"His termination was related to Svanemyr's Sept. 5 death,"
His lawyer: "There's a question of his pension, his future employment is an issue, feeding his kids is an issue. It's tough.""
Yeah, sort like as "tough" as the women's kid is dealing with now.
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/.....948158.php
This guy sees right through you Sevo:
pdquick Rank 541
How many stories about this incident have carried online comments from outraged readers claiming that unions and civil service have to be done away with because "he can't be fired?" Well, guess what? Will we now see this commenters coming back to say they were wrong?
You hear that? We should apologize to all public sector unions because if you aren't a member of the cop guild killing someone may result in you being fired.
"This guy sees right through you Sevo:"
Damn! Busted!
I claimed not a one ever got fired and now one did!
Shame on me...
It's your fault!
Pretty sure if I listen long enough, I'll hear how Ford dropping Mercury as a brand was my fault.
(from a Ford family, obviously)
Funny Onion article:
http://www.theonion.com/articl.....ans,34163/
But then they've got worse worries:
"Obama approval rating: Nearly twice as high as GOP"
http://www.examiner.com/articl.....igh-as-gop
I wonder what the "tea-party" vs. the RINOs margin of error in that poll was...
Yeah, that's what the media and the administration have been telling me, all day, every day, at the top of their collective lungs, since ~day one... I wonder what the bootlickers and lickspittles in the MSM will say about it in the event of a solid dem ass-tanning in 2014...
I just watched Audition for some reason.
What. The. Fuck.
I didn't know what I was getting into.
And we should care what the 4th best Python thinks, why?
I thought that was Palin.
Well, that's it. Someone from another country who was mildly funny three decades ago called me nuts, I'm giving up all my guns and urge others to do the same!
Also...
I like this song.
given earlier talk, I thought you'd bust out: I like Chinese...
Only 900 million of them!
I think you just made me into a Neko Case fan. Thanks General.
Nando!
How ya DOIN', man?!
Cheer up, Eric! Some things in life are bad. They can really make you mad. Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle, don't grumble. Give a whistle!
And not one death (other than the shooter), which would be miraculous for an average East End knife attack in Merry Olde England.
It is what it is dude, I mean like seriously.
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Thanks anonboy, for whatever it is you do!
This Aviation is so sour, my lips are shaken, not stirred. Old lemons are to be avoided.
Where do VPN's that spam across blogs stand?
Jesus, this Aviation I made is like a gin blossom and a liver episode in every sip... it might be just right. Homework for tonight? Don't dump it in the computer.
HOCKEY FIGHT!
Did someone say HO
CKEY FIGHT?
Paging Bob Probert? Bob Probert to the white courtesy phone, please.
Got nothing on the Grim Reaper
More of what hockey should be
Here's another good one
How to disable an MRAP.
You know, just in case. Ya never know.
How to disable MRAP.
That'll work too.
from Battle Creek, MI?
Not any more. Battle Creek Hogs are now at Selfridge.
Neat. There was a massive bust of Med MJ dispensaries that were set up across the street from BC.
Battle Creek, for depresion level, falls behind Sarnia and Windsor, but not many other places.
Passed one of those on I96(an entire intra-state inter-state) a few weeks ago. Dearborn PD. Motto: Keep Dearborn Clean (in the 60's, not now)
Oh yea, I96 doesn't go through Dearborn.
So what, make it do a turn at over 15 miles an hour?
"Ironically, this turret system is known as XM153 CROWS II (Common Remotely Operated Weapon Station)."
either I'm missing some reference here or this guy subscribes to the Morissette definition of irony.
I think it's because the website is called "uscrows".
Still a bit morissette-y but, at least understandable.
Wait, what?
Isn't that REASON?
I mean, Yea, They'll listen to REASON!?!?
I think what he's trying to say is that the irony lies in the fact that the turret is named after "the crows nest" when the operator is snuggled safely below in the MRAP.
That could be it as well.
Its because of the site name. Its not named after a 'crow's nest' - its from the abbreviation for the turret's nomenclature *and* I don't think the Army is going to be naming its weapons after something that was on *ships*.
I'm proud of Bernard Kerik. I know he's a shithead. But a real big man to say this. I know Guiliani is probably pissed with him.
And, I'm ashamed of Elliot Spitzer. I feel that Spitzer should have came out and advocated against the prosecution of prostitution.
Since this appears to be the late-night drunks tread:
SweatinGin, we were talking about cocktails a while ago. I finally had a negroni, and you were right, that is a fine cocktail.
We were? I was?
These things happen...
I'm glad to help, And then Negroni is a damn awesome cocktail. Im damn glad to help. also out of campari.
also out of campari.
Your butler should be fired.
Sand in eyes = done.
Yeah, it stuck in my head since it's a classic cocktail I hadn't had. I never want to buy Campari since it's kind of expensive and I usually make whiskey cocktails, but I guess now I have to.
Although I just did some googling and a Boulevardier has both whiskey and Campari so I should probably drink that.
Also, wish I had stolen your handle here.
Excellent, glad I could help someone else down this path. There's also the boulivardiaer cocktail (a negronic, but substitute whiskey for the gin, anything else that makes sense.)
It's horribly addictive, for crazy bug-shell-red-stuff.
Tomorrow, Campari.
The Ballad of Rob Ford: St Patrick's Day, 2012
No cocaine vid, though, right? I can read indictments all day.
I'm shocked it's not leaked yet.
I watched the hockey fight video you posted twice, and now it says removed by the owner or something like that.
I'd say you should say 5 Hail Larionovs, and do the Russian Five Cross twice.
It's on the TSN.CA website legit like
Funny, all I can find is different shots of McCarty beating the shit out of Lemiux
"he is being helped into the lockerroom"
He stood up, didn't turtle.
GoT-Damn, I love hockey
I think a more important priority instead of getting rid of mandatory minimums would be to get rid of many of the laws themselves. Unless it physically harms someone else it should not be against the law