John McCain: Hillary Clinton Would Be a "Very Formidable" 2016 Candidate

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Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) has said that Hillary Clinton would be "a very strong candidate" in 2016. McCain also praised Clinton's performance as secretary of state, the whole Benghazi fiasco aside. 

From Politico:

Sen. John McCain said Monday that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would be a "very formidable" presidential candidate in 2016.

Speaking in Chicago at an event with Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), the Arizona Republican praised Clinton's work as secretary, according to Bloomberg News.

"I don't think there's any doubt that Secretary Clinton would be a very strong candidate," McCain said. "I don't think there's any doubt she has widespread support. Her work as secretary of state, with the exception of this issue of Benghazi — which isn't going away — I think has been outstanding. I think she would be viewed by anyone, Republican or Democrat, as a very formidable candidate for 2016."

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Comments

[SugarFree]

Barfing for the absent barfman.

[Bobarian]

...If the Repubs run McCain in 2016.

They left off the back half of McCain's senile ramblings.

[BakedPenguin]

Establishment pol goes log rolling for establishment pol. Whee.

[Brett L]

This is just people in the Senators' Club giving each other public tongue bathings. He'll also tell you that Joe Biden will be a formidable candidate in 2016.

[AlexInCT]

I bet Hillary has a bigger dick than McCain anyway....

[Robert]

It's not log rolling, that's just who he'd like to run against, because he thinks she'll be a weak candidate. In other words, he's lying.

[Auric Demonocles]

There is no sugarcoating it, the alt-text was not long enough.

Additionally:

There is no sugarcoating it, Benghazi was a slight gaffe.

[Kaptious Kristen]

Dude, just STFU and retire to Scottsdale already. Jesus Chrysler drives a Dodge.

[VG Zaytsev]

I'm hoping the cocksucker strokes out with a kid in his bed - so we'll be rid of his decrepit carcass without the ensuing hero-worship bullshit.

[jesse.in.mb]

Umm, I hate to tell you, but King David did that and it didn't seem to hurt his reputation AT ALL.

1 Kings 1:1-4 (NIV)

When King David was very old, he could not keep warm even when they put covers over him. So his attendants said to him, "Let us look for a young virgin to serve the king and take care of him. She can lie beside him so that our lord the king may keep warm."

Then they searched throughout Israel for a beautiful young woman and found Abishag, a Shunammite, and brought her to the king. The woman was very beautiful; she took care of the king and waited on him, but the king had no sexual relations with her.

[Fluffy]

but the king had no sexual relations with her.

Yup, right. I'm shur.

[jesse.in.mb]

I'm sure he wanted to, but this was pre-Viagara and he was being treated for poor circulation. At that point it was probably just being mean to give him a young virgin to hang out all the time.

[Kaptious Kristen]

I had a discussion last night with the squeeze on what a roofie/Cialis combo might be like.

Think he'll ever call me again?

[jesse.in.mb]

I'd imagine it depends on the context. Were you suggesting that you were going to slip him a combination of the two and date rape him for hours? Was it just idle speculation? Were you offering to take the Rohypnol and have him take the Cialis, so he could date rape you for hours?

You might want to check on drug interactions with a combination like that. Cialis will definitely have a blood pressure component and I'd imagine something like Rohypnol would too.

[Kaptious Kristen]

We were just kidding around. And his recreational drug days are far behind him at any rate.

[DontShootMe]

E.D.

[DontShootMe]

I gotta refresh more often.

[Loki]

That might help a little, but I also hear they make pharmaceuticals that will help with your little problem too. Ask your doctor, assuming you got to keep yours. /sarc

[VG Zaytsev]

McCain ain't no King David.

[Mickey Rat]

It has always been good to be the King.

[EDG reppin' LBC]

Jesus Chrysler Drives a Dodge. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtZ8NMFhsG0

[Snark Plissken]

Later, when asked his opinion of Minnie Mouse he said that Minnie would make "a very strong candidate" in 2016.

[RightNut]

Sadly McCain is probably right.

[UnCivilServant]

Hrm, perhaps formidable to him, being an elder stateman, a thing fit only to be shunned and reviled.

[The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc]

Concern troll is concerned. Although in the event Hillary runs I'll have fun asking progressives why they are supporting the woman who voted for the Patriot Act, Iraq War, and dodges all responsibility for Benghazi.

[RightNut]

We both know none of those things make a difference to progressives, not when the Republican's want to keep woman as property and put minorities back in chains so they can work for free for big oil.

[Gilbert Martin]

And don't forget refrain from giving them all free contraceptives - which of course, is tantamount to forcing them to get pregnant against their will.

[Mad Scientist]

THEY WILL FORCE ALL WOMEN TO BE KEPT IN BINDERS!!!!

[waffles]

Kinky.

[Anonymous Coward]

Pointing out Hillary Clinton history in politics is sexual discrimination against all women because FUCK YOU, THAT'S WHY!

[Brian D]

Because it would be sexist not to support her, you hateful person you!

sin,
proglodytes everywhere

[Loki]

Although in the event Hillary runs I'll have fun asking progressives why they are supporting the woman who voted for the Patriot Act, Iraq War, and dodges all responsibility for Benghazi.

What difference, at this point, does it make?

[Paul.]

They'll say for the same reasons they voted for Obama? Twice?

[sarcasmic]

You know who else would be a "formidable opponent" in 2016?

[Kaptious Kristen]

The Cleveland Browns?

[Hillary's Clitdong]

Warty Hugeman?

[Warty]

Have I ever told you about that time that I defeated Hilary's lesbian robot timehordes from the 30th century in 2016? Probably my favorite story.

[SugarFree]

Lou Reed?

[Lou Reed Channeling Hisself]

Lou's dead, man. Lou's dead.

[UnCivilServant]

Zombie Teddy Roosevelt?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Not reality.

[Lou Reed Channeling Hisself]

Obamacare?

[Eric Bana]

Anthony Weiner?

[Aloysious]

Anthony's Wiener?

[sarcasmic]

Close. The correct answer was Barney's Frank.

[Paul.]

Joe Biden?

[Adam330]

Nixon's work as president, with the exception of that issue of that burglary ? which isn't going away ? I think has been outstanding.

[SugarFree]

Benghazi was all Stevens fault! Read the comments, or as much as you can. If Stevens had been drunk at a frat party and woke up bloody and sticky, they wouldn't blame the victim. But Stevens getting himself killed makes Dear Leader look bad, so that's on him.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Only deeply committed Team Red players will ever give a fuck about Benghazi.

As I pointed out this morning when 241 US Marines were killed in an embassy attack in 1983 it was brushed aside as a political novelty.

Did Hil-Dog ignore the security threat? Of course she did. So did Reagan in 1983.

[Adam330]

Did Reagan go on a weeks-long tour blaming the bombings on some video and calling for free speech restrictions, all while denying he had denied requests for extra security?

[Fist of Etiquette]

I don't care if he did or didn't. He doesn't have my vote in 2016.

[Eric Bana]

Nice.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Obama explicitly backed up the First Amendment if you are referring to him.

And contrary to wingnut myth he did call Benghazi an act of terror right afterward.

Candy Crowley actually got that right.

[fish]

Candy Crowley actually got that right.

How could you separate that from the constant braying of the other cattle.

PS:CHRISTFAGANALCORKFUCKWITBUSINESSPLANBOOOOSH

[wareagle]

that explains why Candy later admitted that she was wrong. Obama referred to "acts of terror" in a broad sense but never about this one specifically. Never. Days later, Rice was on tv peddling the movie meme.

[VG Zaytsev]

The acts of terror that Obama was referring to was the Baccula video.

[Adam330]

I'm referring to Hillary Clinton, who said this at the ceremony bringing back the dead from Benghazi:
"This has been a difficult week for the State Department and for our country. We've seen the heavy assault on our post in Benghazi that took the lives of those brave men. We've seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do with. It is hard for the American people to make sense of that because it is senseless, and it is totally unacceptable. The people of Egypt, Libya, Yemen, and Tunisia did not trade the tyranny of a dictator for the tyranny of a mob."

[Palin's Buttplug]

Fair enough. I hope she decides not to run for the record.

[Smilin' Joe Fission]

Shreek, you are just the biggest pile of shit these boards have.

/everyone who reads reason comment boards

[Rob]

What about Tony?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

IT WASN'T HER PLACE AS A FUCKING MODERATOR TO MAKE THAT CALL ANYWAY.

YES, I'M YELLING!

[Scarecrow Repair]

And I asked why you were ignoring the 210th anniversary of the USS Philadelphia's capture, with all those enslaved sailors.

Or are your eyes plugged too?

[Kid Xenocles]

Don't blame me, I voted for Decatur.

[kinnath]

As I pointed out this morning when 241 US Marines were killed in an embassy attack in 1983 it was brushed aside as a political novelty.

Die in a fire already you loathsome prick.

[waffles]

But 1983 is like 100 years ago and written on parchment.

[SugarFree]

It's just fucking lying like always. The Lebanon bombing dominated the news for weeks. VP Bush was sent to tour the site and meet with the wounded. We retaliated against Hezbollah, but stopped short of being able to make the case to attack Iran.

It's a piece of shit liar, just ignore it.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Strawman King lives.

Classical liberalism shall live!

[Loki]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFRylztSXvE

[Paul.]

Only deeply committed Team Red players will ever give a fuck about Benghazi.

We know you don't give a fuck about Benghazi, Shrike. We know. Only committed Team Blue players don't care about an attack on an embassy resulting in a U.S. diplomat being killed.

[Episiarch]

Hey look, NutraSweet, the retarded sockpuppet is trying to get you to respond to it. Isn't that desperately pathetic? I love it. It tries so hard, only to fail, every time. So sad.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Episiarch - the only human capable of making misanthropy seem shallow.

[Paul.]

Says the guy who doesn't give a fuck about Stevens being killed in an attack on a U.S. embassy.

[SugarFree]

I'm sure it will find someone that hates themselves enough to argue with it. Because they'll be the one that finally gets it to see the light.

[Episiarch]

Who's more pathetic, the desperate sockpuppet or those who respond to it? Ha, trick question. YES!

[Warty]

Ha, trick question. YES!

Wait, the answer isn't you??? *tears up test paper, punches wall, storms out of the room*

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

I can do this man.

Hold my beer.

[RightNut]

Sometimes when I'm frustrated(bad game of Dota) or bored I use PB or Tony as a mental punching bag. Good thing they get paid for providing this service.

[Bill Dalasio]

Honestly, at this point, it's not even really interesting enough to respond to. There were times in the past where I would respond to it, not so much for a conversation, but to demonstrate the absurdity of its arguments (which are pretty standard proglodyte stuff) to passing readers. But, it's really shown a decline in its standards the last month or so. Really, its sounding more desperate than a good foil should.

[Smilin' Joe Fission]

Today has been one of the worst days I have seen for it. But I agree, the last month or so it has been completely off the meds.

[Warty]

Shut the fuck up, Weigel.

[Hillary's Clitdong]

Is there a school where America's douchiest children learn how to join the Navy, marry heiresses, and become exceptionally-venal Senators?

[Episiarch]

It's called the Naval Academy. I think it's in Maryland.

[Drake]

I thought Kerry went to Harvard?

Getting my douche-bags mixed up.

[Bobarian]

There is a whole slew of north-eastern schools that exist along the corridor that are exceptional for producing such douche-baggery.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

http://www.utrend.tv/v/9-out-o.....wing-fact/

Opinions?

As for McCain, why doesn't he just bolt for the Democrat party?

[rts]

Opinions?

Old crap is old; a concise take down is available here.

[MJGreen]

Still don't give a fuck about inequality, insofar as it's not due to plunder.

"At 4:50, he lets you know how broke you really are."

At that point, the guy says that the bottom 60% hold 7% of wealth. Which has nothing to do with "how broke you really are." You can still be fabulously rich even if you only hold an infinitesimal part of total wealth.

[Hyperion]

He will. He's already hinted around about it enough. That way he won't have to worry about the wack-o birds and can be with that other progs.

[Killazontherun]

I watched the first two minutes before loosing interest, but can see how that video would be an effective demagogic tool to back progressive policies, unless there is a twist that comes up later that I miss. I would have to see the reports it relies on. I'm not going to make any assumption about it, but other arguments I've seen advanced with a similar message rely on wealth calculation that is tilted towards consumption. This leaves out much of the productive supply chain where wealth is invested. Calculations based upon that instead tend to skew towards a more numerous upper middle class than towards the 'one percent' of traditional measures.

If wealth distribution reflected the traditional statistical measures (GDP,the various Ms, bank holding and private accounts), than it would make little sense to mass market, but concentrate your efforts own servicing the one percent. There is a reason why luxury goods tend to be a niche market, and there is more money to be made getting the general population to buy your product. The traditional measures are only useful for macro analysis not sociological constructs for measuring wealth distribution. Traditional stats only measure a kind of wealth but far from all of it.

[Paul.]

then he wouldn't be a "maverick" any more.

[Skip]

I'm sure he would if he could go back in time. The Dems never desert their old "conservative" stalwarts as long as they parrot a few lines. He could advocate all the hawkish foreign policy he wanted as long as he shut up about abortion.

[MJGreen]

She did very strong work as Secretary of State, except for Benghazi. You know... the work that she did. That stuff. It was very good. The things she did.

[jesse.in.mb]

She's just SO COOL.

With Obama having a beer is a production. With Hillary, she just downs it in Columbia at a club. LIKE A REAL PERSON.

[SugarFree]

Is that The Chicken Lady beside her in that second pic?

[Episiarch]

"Hi, can I come drink out of your toilet?"

[Paul.]

LIKE A REAL PERSON.

According to the documentary Veep, they're called "Normals".

[Fist of Etiquette]

She's not picking you as her running mate, John, so just give it up.

[Elspeth Flashman]

That's what I thought too when I read this, that he's just breathlessly waiting for her to call him . . .

[MikeP]

"Her work as secretary of state, with the exception of this issue of Benghazi ? which isn't going away ? I think has been outstanding."

His work as senator, with the exception of this issue of Chappaquiddick ? which isn't going away ? I think has been outstanding.

[RightNut]

He was still reelected 7 times after that.

[Adam330]

And in politics that's all that counts.

[Paul.]

Two-term president Obama agrees.

[Lou Reed Channeling Hisself]

Massholians gonna Masshole.

[Hugh Akston]

Is there any way we can work out a prisoner exchange with Vietnam so that they take McCain back and we get a bunch of their worst murderers or something?

[AlexInCT]

Not fair to Vietnam dude....

[ChrisO]

Is McCain aware that he lost the 2008 election?

Those damned aides just keep ignoring his presidential decrees. He'll get them in line, just as soon as he figures out who took the strawberries.

[Lou Reed Channeling Hisself]

+1 Fred McMurray

[Lou Reed Channeling Hisself]

HEY! You know who's still dead? Huh? Do ya?

[UnCivilServant]

Zombie Teddy Roosevelt?

[sarcasmic]

Andy Lopez? (the 13 yr old kid with the plastic AK)

[Kaptious Kristen]

The Minnesota Vikings?

[Scarecrow Repair]

Someone in Cleveland is not only still dead, he is still not buried.

[What Would Lou Reed Say]

*that annoying "Viking horn" sound*

[Calvin Coolidge]

Generalissimo Franciso Franco FTW

[Paul.]

Lou Reed?

[sarcasmic]

OT:
More on that thirteen year old kid with a toy gun who was gunned down by the cops.

It appears that barely ten seconds passed between their alerting dispatch of a suspicion person and then reporting shots fired. Ten. Seconds.

One yelled for him to drop it, and as he turned around to see who was yelling at him they opened fire. Then kept pumping bullets into him while he was on the ground.

But we can be assured that nothing else will happen. The officer uttered the magical incantation that absolves him of all possible wrongdoing:

"I feared for my life."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....g-him.html

The unnamed officers are enjoying a paid vacation.

[Lou Reed Channeling Hisself]

This is worse than ME being dead.

Seriously. FUCK

[RightNut]

Let me guess "their is no greater threat..."

or

"I perceived a threat"

or

"whoops!"

[Hyperion]

It's nothing more than a combination of cowardice and thuggery.

[Floridian]

Not to defend the police but that is a really realistic looking pellet gun. I wonder how many congress people will be wearing hoodies for this kid.

[RightNut]

Does it matter if it looked real or if it was real? Last I checked police don't have the power to shoot you dead for carrying a gun. Its kinda annoying the story focuses on the toy gun, as if this story would be less tragic if it was real.

[Floridian]

No. It doesn't matter but I could see them being on higher alert if it looked like a real rifle. I doubt the kid pointed the gun at them, that is why I said not to defend the police. They have have a duty to assess the situation before firing their weapon, or at least they should.

[Anonymous Coward]

Officer safety is paramount.

Your rights are secondary.

Welcome to America, taxpayer.

[Paul.]

One yelled for him to drop it, and as he turned around to see who was yelling at him they opened fire.

This is called 'standard operating procedure' with the pigs.

Cop: Blah blah blah drop blah blah.

Innocent civilian with something shiny in his hands: Huh? *begins to turn to see what all the yelling is about*

Cop(s): *BLAM*BLAM*BLAM*BLAM*BLAM*BLAM*BLAM*

...*deep breath*...

*BLAM*BLAM*BLAM*BLAM*BLAM*BLAM*BLAM*

*drops mag, reloads*

*BLAM*BLAM*BLAM*BLAM*

cop to other cop: You did the right thing, brother.

[Hyperion]

Hillary is a prog. McCain is a prog. One prog praising another, it's shocking how slimeballs attract the praise of other slimeballs.

I think that McCain and Christie will get into a cat fight to see which will be Hitlarys bitchboy as VP.

[UnCivilServant]

Oh joy, the ambulatory adipose tumor and the elder thing. Watching that fight will cause madness.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Well, last great white hope Rand Paul is endorsing proto-fascist Cuchinelli over the libertarian in the VA race. All pols are whores at that level.

[Hyperion]

We already know that you're a stupid team blue hack, but we didn't realize that you're also racist.

That's a good little proggie hypocrite. Maybe your master will throw you a doggie treat.

[Episiarch]

What ever happened to "freeze, drop the weapon!"? Oh right, complete immunity from consequences, that's what.

[Mad Scientist]

Consequences are for people who don't work for the government. Little people. Civilians.

[Episiarch]

Wow, I completely posted my comment in the wrong subthread. But you got my point, at least.

[Mad Scientist]

I find the only way I can maintain my sanity during political discussions is to completely ignore any and all context.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Non sequitur.

Why won't Rand Paul endorse the libertarian over a proto-fascist?

[The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc]

Cuccinelli is better than McAuffie on marijuana legalization and mandatory minimums.

Relax, PB. You'll still be able to fellate Team Blue cock and take it up the ass from Obama in VA in the event of a Cuccinelli governorship.

[Hyperion]

Not to mention that McAuliffe wants to push gun control and climate change bullshit.

I would vote for the L candidate if I was in VA, but we all know that Rand cannot come out and endorse the L candidate, it's not that hard to understand, unless you are a buttplug who shills for team blue.

[Kaptious Kristen]

Rand is going one better and campaigning for the Cooch today in Fairfax County.

[VG Zaytsev]

Why won't Rand Paul endorse the libertarian over a proto-fascist?

Wait, Rand endorsed McAuffle?

[Hyperion]

Why don't McCain just go join the Dems, now? He can go on over there and take the warmongering with him. Then hopefully, his little toady, Graham will join him. Then the Dems can own the warmongering. That will be a great gift for the progs.

[Palin's Buttplug]

There was only one GOP Senator who did not vote for the Iraq disaster - Lincoln Chaffee who was drummed out of the party. McCain's war boner is best stroked by fellow conservatives.

[The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc]

Is that why Colonel Tigh very publicly got into a war of words with Rand Paul and the anti-war Tea Party Republicans on Syria?

[Palin's Buttplug]

Well, I fully admit that Rand Paul is a giant step in the right direction for the GOP of 1980-2009.

And an anomaly.

[Hyperion]

Just wait until the anomaly gains more traction in the GOP. Then all of the war mongers will run over to the team blue side, where they will be eagerly embraced.

[Anonymous Coward]

Aww, look at little Shrieky, trying to insinuate Chafee was primaried rather than beaten by Sheldon Whitehouse, a bona fide member of Team BLUE who agreed with Chafee about everything except the Patriot Act (Chafee was for it) and the Death Penalty (Chafee was against it).

[darius404]

So Democrats are conservatives now? Ok then. Just look at the McCain love over from the mindless lefties in the Politico comments.

[Raston Bot]

...and hilarity ensued? is still available if she's looking for a catchy bumper sticker slogan for 2016.

[Mr. Soul]

or Stand Down by your man.

[VG Zaytsev]

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) has said that Hillary Clinton would be "a very strong candidate" in 2016.

If the Crypt Keeper says - it is so.

[Hyperion]

Note, he doesn't say a good candidate, but a strong candidate. McCain is a pure slimeball politician, nothing more. He only cares about his political career and has no morals or values, just like most of them. He would run on the ticket with a resurrected Pol Pot or Hitler if he thought that would keep him in elected office.

[VG Zaytsev]

McCain is a pure slimeball politician, nothing more. He only cares about his political career and has no morals or values

At this point, he cares most about his legacy, which is even worse.

[Hyperion]

Maybe him and Obama can join efforts on that one.

[Bill Dalasio]

McCain is trying to toss bombs toward the growing libertarian and libertarianish contingent in the Republican party. The implicit threat to the rest of the party is "abandon them, or I'll line up behind Hillary in 2016". Peter King tried a similar threat, but the retarded IRA bagman can't manage even the level of subtlety that John McCain brings to the table.

[VG Zaytsev]

Awesome

Republicans for Hillary - McCain, Graham, Santorum and King.

I'm sure that group will win the election for her.

[Bill Dalasio]

Of course, that begs the question of what would happen if these guys betrayed the Republicans and Clinton told them she had no particular use for them. If the Republican party was anything other than retarded, it would mark the death knell of their political careers. But, if my aunt had testicles...

[Kaptious Kristen]

So I saw an ad for some Virginia candidate (I think it was a candidate for attorney general) and there were two insanely evil things stated in the commercial that were touted as a good. And that the stupid sheep low information assholes will perceive as good: he's endorsed by all kinds of cops and cop unions and he's a pragmatist.

We are soooo fucked.

[Kaptious Kristen]

And he named his daughter Tucker. Fuckin-a.

Here's a transcript of the evil ad:
http://markobenshain.com/press/story/253

[John]

Pragmatism is like crack to the low information voter. They just want a guy who can get things done and work with the other side. The media ensures that even the most insane prog is portrayed as a centrist. I know a ton of people who will swear on a stack of bibles that Obama is a centrist and a pragmatist.

[Kaptious Kristen]

Centrism and pragmatism are way more evil to me that the hardest socialist lefty. It means they can be bought or influenced with the greatest of ease.

[Bill Dalasio]

For the politicians, yes. For the voters, it generally means you're just a retard who doesn't think much into any of the issues or your own particular political philosophy.

[ChrisO]

Virginia Republicans have long loved them some cracking heads in the name of law and order. It's one of the worst things about the state party.

[John]

I think Joe Biden would be a stronger candidate. Hell Fauxchauntus Warren would be a stronger candidate. Biden can at least appear likable. And Warren has a no shit constituency. Hillary reminds me of Romeney in 2012. He was, like Hillary, the second place finisher in 2008 and the beltway media just knew he was a formidable candidate. But there was one problem, he didn't have constituency. Romney didn't excite any part of the GOP base or really the country. That is Hillary. Butt hurt boomer women journalists are not a constituency at this level. The Progs hate the Clintons and are not going to see her as their champion. She is not the unions and the populist wing's favorite. She is like Romney, sort of next in line. I don't think she is going to sell anything like Obama did. And she will be stuck running on Obama's record. She is no doubt going to try and pull off the "it is finally a woman's turn" historic appeal. But that is not nearly as strong as electing a black man.

The other real problem she has is that she never comes off as a likable person. She is not her husband. It is appalling but true. People want to elect a President they like. Every person who has ever been elected to the office in my lifetime, managed to be likable at least during their successful campaign. Does anyone really think Hillary can convince the typical mushy independent that she cares about them and is the kind of person they would like to be or meet?

[Hyperion]

White Squaw and Uncle Joe will both end up in the bottom of the Potomac with concrete shoes on if they even come near to a primary challenge on the Hildebeast.

[John]

Biden is all in. And someone is going to big up the low sloping forehead Prog banner. If not Warren, O'Malley or Cuomo will. People forget that a large part of the Democratic Party hates the Clintons. And ironically enough, many of those people were the first and most loyal Obama supporters.

[Warty]

She has the shrieking harpy constituency sewn up, don't forget about them. That's what, 10% of the electorate?

[John]

I used to think she was really formidable. That there were a lot of people out there who really liked her. But lately I realize that she is beloved by a certain breed of shrieking harpy. There are a lot of them. But they are only about 10% of the electorate like you say. And no one but them likes her. They might vote for her because they hate the other side. But no one really likes her.

[Calvin Coolidge]

To be fair, he isn't saying he supports her, or that she would be a good President. She has national name recognition, has no ethics that would get in the way of her fundraising, and leads in many polls. That makes you a good candidate.

What he isn't saying is that the hand of time moves on and tends not to roll back. Once a new generation reaches the Oval Office, it takes an extraordinary event to make people reach back. Republicans often make the mistake of ignoring this, to their detriment. For example, in 1996. Or, in 2008. Do you remember 2008, John? Do you? Why don't you gum down your mush while you think about it?

[Lord Humungus]

This is 5 days old, but interesting TEAM dynamic here:

Poll: Plurality of Democrats Believe Exchanges Are Working Well

The survey found 44 percent of Democrats, 25 percent of independents, and 14 percent of Republicans believe the exchanges are working well. Also 51 percent of African-Americans said the online insurance exchanges were working well. Only 32 percent of Democrats think the exchanges aren't working well. In short, partisanship can easily override reality in the minds of these respondents.

Only 14 percent of Americans say they have visited the site so far. Only 29 percent of those who said they have visited the site say they're uninsured.

[Lord Humungus]

and

They survey found that 31 percent of those who are uninsured say they don't plan to visit the site. A segment of that crowd might be thinking about other options like phoning it in, but not a big chunk: Of those without insurance, 24 percent said they do not plan to get insurance. Another 11 percent said they didn't know.

[John]

A lot of people who don't have insurance, don't want insurance. Neither side in this seems to understand that fact.

[Mad Scientist]

Surely they would want insurance but because of food islands, poor inner-city schools, republican obstructionism, GMOs, the Koch Brothers, and commercials during children's TV programs, they never learned that they wanted it. So the good Progressives are going to make them buy it whether they want it or not. It's for their own good. Or else.

[Hyperion]

24 percent said they do not plan to get insurance

Ve hav veys of making you!

/big government

[John]

If you assume there are say 36% of the country who call themselves Democrat and say 30% who call themselves Republicans and other 44% are Independents, that means that about 25% at most of the country thinks this thing is working.

[Warty]

Sounds about right. You can get 25% of the country to believe that Princess Di ascended to heaven on a UFO, so it doesn't really mean much.

[John]

I bet the same 25% doesn't even know Obamacare is a law and just assumes that the exchanges are working because the name sounds nice. I mean they are exchanges. How could they not work?

[Hyperion]

You are being way too generous John, there is no way that 75% of Americans know it is a law, and half of the ones that do know it's a law, still think it means free healthcare for everyone. Most have no idea that they are going to be forced into buying insurance at a cost that will put them into shock. Blissful ignorance is only bliss until you are suddenly hurled headfirst into reality and left with a giant headache.

[John]

When they get the penaltax taken out of their tax return they will know it is a law. The ones who have had their insurance canceled know it is a law.

[Hyperion]

Yes, I agree. The longer this thing goes on, the worse it will be for the ACA.

I think you are going to see a surprising amount of Dems start to go against this. They are going to get massacred in 2014, and I think the smarter and more honest among them already know it.

[Episiarch]

Well, while this seems par for the course for the reality-challenged TEAM BLUE, polls are retarded and should basically be ignored. They are not scientific.

[VG Zaytsev]

IOW 44% of Dems; 25% of Ind and 14% of reps are completely clueless morons.

[Hyperion]

Only 14 percent of Americans say they have visited the site so far

But 44 percent of Democrats think it is working well, even though it's clear that a majority of this 44 percent have NEVER BEEN THERE TO SEE.

That tells you all you need to know about progs. Like we've said around here all along, results mean nothing, it's only intentions. They think that they can emote this thing into working. They can't, so what will they do? Blame the other team, which they are already doing. Will that fix it? Well, duh.

[sarcasmic]

Shaq endorses the Jersey Fat Man.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....TV-ad.html

Must have slipped him some free Gold Bond.

[Hyperion]

He would probably endorse a poison ivy based bath oil if someone paid him to do it. X pro athletes are marketing whores.

[Warty]

Shaq Soda is still my favorite Shaq product.

[Bobarian]

In the penis sized cans?

[HazelMeade]

Why do we care what McCain thinks? This is the guy who thought Sarah Palin would make a great vice-president. The past few years, McCain has gone totally out to lunch, and is looking less like a maverick and more like a loose cannon. Plus he's fixated on anything that threatens the defense budget in a wierdly obsessive manner. Like there's nothing else about the Republican party that he gives a shit about. He's a single-issue Republican going around bad-mouthing other Republicans for giving a shit about something besides defense spending.

[Winston]

Um considering that Welch and Suderman agree with McCain and King on the shutdown aren't these attacks on McCain rather hypocritical ad homs?