Gun Control

California Ammunition Background Check/Permit Law Passed Senate, Goes to Assembly


CBS Local Los Angeles on a very restrictive ammunition law that passed the California Senate and is scheduled to be considered by the Assembly today:

Senator Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles) first introduced Senate Bill 53 last December, which would require anyone wishing to purchase ammunition in California to first obtain a Ammunition Purchase Permit issued by the Department of Justice, valid for one year from the date of issuance.

To obtain such a permit, the holder would have to pass a traditional background check as well as a mental health check, according to De León. The legislation would also ban online and mail order sales of ammunition to Californians.

In addition, SB 53 would require all ammunition sales to take place at a limited list of State-approved "ammunition vendors", who would also be required to submit sales records to the CA Department of Justice…..

"If you get out of Men's Central Jail, or let's say Pelican Bay or San Quentin prison, you can walk into any gun store in California and you can load up a U-Haul truck, fill it up with ammunition, you can drive to South Central Los Angeles…and sell all the ammunition you want on the black market," [DeLeon] said.

The awful bill. Some lowlights from the legislative language:

Existing law requires the Attorney General to maintain records, including among other things, fingerprints, licenses to carry concealed firearms, and information from firearms dealers pertaining to firearms, for purposes of assisting in the investigation of crimes, and specified civil actions.

This bill would require the Attorney General to also maintain copies of ammunition purchase permits, information about ammunition transactions, as specified, and ammunition vendor licenses, as specified, for those purposes.

(2) Existing law establishes the Prohibited Armed Persons File, the purpose of which is to cross-reference persons prohibited from possessing firearms with records of firearm transactions to determine if these persons have acquired or attempted to acquire firearms. Under existing law, a person who is prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm is prohibited from owning, possessing, or having under his or her custody or control, any ammunition or reloaded ammunition.This bill would expand the Prohibited Armed Persons File to list persons prohibited from acquiring ammunition, and would similarly cross-reference those persons with records of ammunition transactions to determine if these persons have acquired or attempted to acquire ammunition….

(3) Existing law, subject to exceptions, requires that the delivery or transfer of ownership of handgun ammunition occur only in a face-to-face transaction and makes a violation of this requirement a crime. Existing law provides that the term "vendor" for purposes of ammunition sales is a "handgun ammunition vendor" as defined for those and other purposes.

This bill would extend those provisions to any ammunition. The bill would provide that the term "vendor" for purposes of ammunition sales means "ammunition vendor," and, commencing July 1, 2015, who is licensed, as specified, for those and other purposes. The bill would provide that commencing July 1, 2015, only a licensed ammunition vendor may sell ammunition…..

(5) Existing law subject to exceptions, requires a handgun ammunition vendor to record specified information at the time of delivery of handgun ammunition to a purchaser, as specified.

This bill would extend those provisions to transactions of any ammunition and would, commencing July 1, 2015, require the ammunition vendor to submit that information to the department, as specified. The bill would, commencing July 1, 2017 2015, and subject to exceptions, require the purchaser of ammunition to be authorized to purchase ammunition by the Department of Justice, as specified. The bill would, commencing January 1, 2017 2015, authorize issuance of ammunition purchase authorizations by the Department of Justice to applicants who are residents of this state, at least 18 years of age, not prohibited from acquiring or possessing ammunition, and who pay the required fees, as specified. The bill would establish an application process and establish a centralized list of persons authorized to purchase ammunition….

The bill would authorize the Department of Justice to issue ammunition vendor licenses, commencing July 1, 2015. The bill would require an ammunition vendor to be licensed, commencing July 1, 2015, in order to sell ammunition….

David Hardy wrote for Reason last month on why supporters of Second Amendment rights tend to mistrust the intentions of those trying to "regulate not ban" our right to armed self-defense.

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  1. In addition, SB 53 would require all ammunition sales to take place at a limited list of State-approved “ammunition vendors”


    Can’t restrict liberty without throwing in some cronyism, now can you? It’s like the perfect storm of suck.

  2. In addition, SB 53 would require all ammunition sales to take place at a limited list of State-approved “ammunition vendors”


    Can’t restrict liberty without throwing in some cronyism, now can you? It’s like the perfect storm of suck.

  3. I guess CA has the money to fight for this law when it inevitably gets overturned.

    1. I doubt that it would be overturned. It’s more restrictive than IL law, but only in the one-year length of time for the permit and in the fact they keep records. And since they do the latter for guns anyway, I can’t see ammo somehow being off-limits.

      1. My guess is that they will underfund the program (most likely on purpose) so that it will take months to get a “license”, and that will be enough to get it overturned. Either way, it looks like my trips to Vegas will include bulk ammo purchases from now on….

        1. Expect the CA Dept of Ag stations at the state line to start broadening their mandate then. I haven’t read the bill, but how are they going to ensure that you aren’t going out of state to purchase ammo, and how do they plan on stopping handloaders?

          1. With handloaders, they’ll just expand the restrictions on ammunition to include ammunition components, so you won’t be able to buy powder or primers without running the regulatory gauntlet.

        2. That was the case for an FOID here in IL for many years. The issue was taken to court and the state police, who run it, were ordered to staff up or do whatever it took to provide permits in a reasonable amount of time. So I think you will get that much at least.

    2. They’re betting Obama (or Hilary or whatever TEAM BE RULED milksop the Repubs get in office) will appoint some limp-wristed cocktail party sockpuppet who will be the fifth vote to overturn the recognition of the 2A.

      And its not a bad bet. Odds are, in fact, that the next SCOTUS appointee will be just that fifth vote.

  4. “If you get out of Men’s Central Jail, or let’s say Pelican Bay or San Quentin prison, you can walk into any gun store in California and you can load up a U-Haul truck, fill it up with ammunition, you can drive to South Central Los Angeles…and sell all the ammunition you want on the black market,” [DeLeon] said.

    So these people buying black-market ammo from guys in U-Haul trucks, why don’t they just buy their ammo at “any gun store”, rather than paying a higher markup to the guy who just got out of prison?

    There are layers of stupid in this.

    1. ^^^^^ Exactly ^^^^^^

    2. Who knew gunowners were so progressive as to offer a paroled felon discount large enough to cover gas, truck rental, and time?

    3. I was coming here to say the same thing. Why would anyone buy marked-up ammunition if it’s easier and cheaper to get the same stuff at a real store?

    4. Yeah, it’s more likely that the law will result in that type of activity, with the UHAUL being loaded in NV or AZ.

      1. This.

      2. They’ll then play the Bloomberg Gambit: “Other states’ permissive laws are preventing the establishment of our Utopia, therefore we will get up in their grills.”

        1. I’m thinking the LAPD would get less of a warm welcome in other states than even the NYPD got – gets – when it’s visiting its lawless neighbors.

          “What’re you doin’ in Nevada….OFFICER?”

          1. “What’re you doin’ in Nevada . . . CIVILIAN?”

      3. Yeah, it’s more likely that the law will result in that type of activity, with the UHAUL being loaded in NV or AZ.

        Hey…I don’t want to butt in, but if you just go over the border into Mexico you can get great deals on all sorts of gear…rifles, handguns…all sorts of ammo…and CHEAP.

        Just ask for Eric, he’ll hook you up!

    5. Why did he use the term “black market”, exactly?

      1. RACIST

      2. Because he thinks a black market is where black people go to shop.

  5. Sign up for your one bullet. Once fired, you may fill out the appropriate paperwork detailing where, when, who, or what you shot, then turn in the casing for another bullet.

    1. **Does not apply to law enforcement officers, former law enforcement officers, or anyone else the government likes**

  6. I was just in California, and whenever I’m there, I’m always amazed that the most perfect place on Earth has been turned into such an unlivable shithole nightmare. Fuck the California government right in its metaphorical throat.

    1. This. I grew up there and lived there until the end of the Clinton Admin, and I cannot believe what that place has turned into in that short time.

      We’re going to end up bailing them out, of course. The big line item in their state budget is health care legacy costs for their state employees. Which, coincidentally, AIUI, the states are going to be able to offload to the O-Care exchanges. They haven’t run out of other peoples’ money yet.

      1. Detroit’s piloting the “offload”. Once that’s been proven out, you’re damned right CA and other places will follow quickly.

      2. I grew up here, still live here (in the People’s Republic of Santa Cruz, no less!), and I can tell you that a deterioration that once seemed to be in slow-motion has now accelerated to supersonic. Unchecked immigration is indeed responsible. But not from South of the Border — from East and North! There are times when I question the founders’ wisdom to enshrine free migration and commerce between the States. Outta-Staters have overrun this once-great State and made their unsustainable socialist ways into law.

        1. Feinstein and Boxer need to be retired at the next electoral opportunity. I hold the former personally responsible for the fact that my magazine is limited to 10 shells and I cannot own a reliable AK-47. Some guy takes out the SF mayor and another shoots up some SF skyscraper, and now I am denied decisionmaking power in keeping and bearing the arms that I judge to be best for protecting my family and community. That’s just not right. Punish the evildoers. Don’t punish everyone else because evildoers exist.

  7. Nevada is sure going to love this law when it goes into effect. I would be opening up ammunition shops right on the border.

    1. California cops will take down the plate numbers of cars at such ammo shops.

      1. Is there a law demanding that ammo cannot be brought in from other states?

        Hell, Texans did something similar with Oklahoma. Oklahoma does not allow people to buy beer 6 pt beer, except in liquor stores and only certain brands. And it can’t be cold. Also, certain types of porn were banned. So just on the Texas side of the Red River, there were porn shops and liquor stores set up to cater to Oklahomans.

        I think they even had tattoo parlors, becaues tattooing used to be illegal in Oklahoma.

        1. There’s no federal law preventing ammunition purchases across state borders.

          The Cabela’s in Reno is already damn near as close to the CA border as you can get and still be “in Reno”. Whoever chose that spot was pretty shrewd.

      2. My understanding is they already do this at least at gun show in Nevada they will follow the Ca cars and when they get here it’s search time. So I will just have to drive farther and make a vacation out of it.

    2. Dude, this is a great idea.

    3. I bet there are some empty retail spaces at Buffalo Bill’s…

  8. There’s no way this bill could have any unintended consequences at all.

    Like police not having bullets.

    1. That might be a good thing, though. I’m sure dogs everywhere are lobbying for this bill.

    2. Surely you know agents of the state will be exempted from this bill.

      Look at the shitstorm that ensued when Cuomo’s restrictive legislation in NY forgot to exempt such state agents.

      1. You give these idiots far too much credit.

      2. Sure, but since the sales will be harder for the average gun owner, ammo supplies will be down. So prices will go higher.

        And the police won;t be able to go to the internet because the out-of-state suppliers won’t ship to CA regardless of the occupation of the buyer.

        When they shoot your dog, you will get invoiced for the cost of the precious ammo.

    3. They can pry the ammo from my cold dead dog.

  9. Another charge for prosecutors to pile on.

  10. But doesn’t the 2nd Amendment say “shall not be infringed”? Check the dictionary, any regulation is an infringement, a restriction…

    1. you forgot that line at the end of the Constitution that says “J/K LOL!!!”

    2. Unfortunately a lot of the restrictions on the 2nd amendment happened before a lot of us were born. It’s nice that a lot of voters have drawn a line in the sand when the government tries to violate our rights further, but it’s a shame they don’t do more to restore the rights already lost.

      1. of course I mean voters on a national level. It seems some people in certain states prefer being slaves.

        1. Guns are scary, mmmk?

    3. Dude, you can have all the guns you want . . . only one bullet at a time though.

  11. “If you get out of Men’s Central Jail, or let’s say Pelican Bay or San Quentin prison, you can walk into any gun store in California and you can load up a U-Haul truck, fill it up with ammunition, you can drive to South Central Los Angeles?and sell all the ammunition you want on the black market,” [DeLeon] said.

    Anyone who believes this hasn’t tried to purchase ammunition in the last year or so.

    1. Haha yeah, I might be able to fill up my trunk…

      1. *ahem* I am going to pass up this opportunity for a perfectly formed pun.

      2. Doubtful. Maybe your purse. Most places still have a 3 box limit or similar.

    2. No kidding. Are ammo prices ever going to get back to normal again? I can barely afford to shoot my FAL because .308 is so freaking expensive nowadays.

      1. I heard from a guy in the ammo biz that things are supposed to get back closer to normal in October. No specifics on why.

        1. Yep – my dealer…er….gunsmith says the same. He’s even got 9mm now.

        2. Well the price on “evil black rifles” has started to come down quite a bit, so hopefully ammo prices will too.

          If only we could import surplus makarov ammo, then at least i could shoot my pistol on the cheap. Fucking government making shit I want cost more.

          1. I ended up not getting an AR just because of the ammo – picked up a beautiful M1 in 30-06 instead to go with my 1903 Remington. I got TONS of 30-06.

            Then loaded up on 30-30 Win for my Marlin 336 – cause you can get 30-06 and 30-30 all day here in MI. .308, .223/5.06 & 7.76? Not so much, still…

            1. I had a couple crates of Lake City M-855 stockpiled before all of the unpleasantness, but I am too damn busy to shoot it…

              1. I am jealous. I only had about one crate before it went to shit, not that I can use it much. My local range doesn’t allow steel core bullets.

    3. I was damn thankful for the 350 rounds of 45 long Colt I scrounged from that one web site someone posted here.

      Speaking of – does this odious bit of fearmongering and Constitutional obstruction address internet sales?

      1. I’m delighted you were able to find some. If only they had .380 or .45 ACP… I think I’ve got another source for that though, albeit a bit more expensive than the site I showed you. Nature of surplus, I guess.

        1. Ah! That was you! Thanks!

          They do have .380, it looks like, but I have no idea if it’s the kind you need (I assume you already checked)

          1. Keep checking online – I went among about 4 online places to get .38/.357 mag. MidwayUSA, TargetSports, a couple others – I just Googled and picked the ones that 1) had ammo 2) seemed legit. They all produced, and at what I consider “fair” prices – I refused to pay the grossly-inflated prices they had for awhile.

            9mm I just got 1000 locally from a reloader. Supply’s catching up with demand. For now – we’ll see how long that lasts 🙂

            1. Oh – I’m saying for your purposes, does have a variety of .380. I only own the one gun, and it’s a .410/45

              1. Is it a Judge? FUN!

                1. Yep – her name is Judy.

                  1. Yeah, they have the Starfire at $0.65 a shot. Not especially happy-making, but better than nothing. Probably grab some Buffalo Bore instead at around 1.10 a shot from another site.

                    Not like I’m shooting a whole lot of .380 anyway.

                    How’s the Judge shooting for you? Accurate, liveable recoil? Sounds like it’s going well.

                    1. I
                      m ashamed to say it, but I haven’t shot her yet. The squeeze works nonstop during the summer, and he’s the person I trust the most to edumacate me. Hopefully after Labor Day we can get to the NRA range.

                2. I’ve always wondered if it would be possible to shoot skeet with one of those.

                  1. You can certainly shoot at clay pigeons with one.

                    You’d have to be scary good to hit any, though. So good that you were just flat-out bored with putting up nonstop perfect scores with a 12 or a 20.

      2. I guess we know who failed to read the article and went directly to the comments. :-p

        1. I read the bits that weren’t the actual text of the bill. I fear for my sanity so I don’t read that shite. But, yes, lots of times I go straight to the comments. Especially when I see that “More” link on the bottom of the post.

          Maybe I should run for Congress!!

          1. It bans internet and mail order sales.

          2. KK for Kongress!!

            I’ll vote for you…you’re somewhere we can buy some votes, or get some dead people to vote, right?

            1. Virginia…fairly clean on the dead people voting scale, I think. I mean, compared to places like Chicago and Philly. But I would have to move to a new district, because we have a Congressman for Life ?

            2. Also, I pledge right now that I would only serve one term. Because I still get the full retirement bennies no matter how long I’m there. And I hate working.

              1. Needs moar free shit!

      3. .45 Long Colt? Is the little lady packin’ a single action hogleg?

        (pls don’t say its a Judge)

        1. D’oh! I read further and its a Judge.

  12. I’ll never understand leftists and their bizarre fear of weapons. I mean I can understand the government officials who simply want monopolize violence, but I don’t understand the voters.

    1. Also does it seem odd to anyone that the same people who always accuse the cops of being racists, are also the same people who say only cops should have guns?

      1. Also, the overlap with people who thing that requiring an ID to vote is some horribly racist, unbelievably burdensome requirement with the people who think this type of licensing scheme is “common sense” is very, very high.

        1. They’re not even remotely bright enough to see the similarity. When you only emote, don’t ever think, and never come up with an original thought on your own but rather take marching orders from your TEAM, you’re going to contradict yourself all the time. And guess what? They couldn’t care less. Intellectual integrity is for the bad people.

  13. If this passes, I am going to go to a gun store before it takes effect and just buy some ammo to make a point, even though I don’t own a gun.

    1. Oh, I think the lines are probably forming as we speak.

  14. The only thing more restrictive than California is Doherty’s stance on alt-text.

  15. OT: Though it was linked in the comments in AM Links, it’s somewhat related to the topic of guns. The genius in O.K., who thought that shooting a snake out of a tree was a good idea, and killed a 5 year old kid downrange is about to have his manslaughter conviction expunged. After the horrible ordeal of two years on probation. This will of course mean he gets to be a LEO again.

    I don’t support revenge normally. And I don’t agree with those who cheer when cops get shot. But I would really have a hard time turning the other cheek if I were this boy’s father.

    1. Someone should come up with some general rules for gun handling, shit your dad would pound into your head when you were 8 so you’d NEVER forget it.

      Like – I dunno – “only point the gun at someone you plan to kill”, “keep your finger off the trigger until you’re ready to shoot”, “the gun is ALWAYS loaded”….”pay attention to your surroundings – KNOW WHAT’S PAST YOUR TARGET”….shit like that.

      1. Hah hah! Freud – “only point the gun at someonething you want to kill”

        I’m going down to turn myself in to Pre-Crime…

          1. Who can forget this classic?

            1. Haha, I knew what it would be before I clicked the link. Classic indeed

    2. Here’s the story without the paywall:…..ath-erased

      And I would absolutely cheer if these cops were taken out by the dad. They deserve nothing less than a slow, painful demise.

      1. Jesus. The comments are…cause for hope, I’ll say.

        1. I agree.

          1. Dude, remember when you moved into the apartment next to mine? I still get your mail sometimes…

            1. You can keep it.

  16. The legislation would also ban online and mail order sales of ammunition to Californians.

    How would this particular ban be enforced? Inspection of the mail? Monitoring internet use? Tracking credit cards? Physical surveillance? Search/Raids on people suspected of buying “contraband” ammunition?

    I’m glad I live in a country where petty tyranny isn’t tolerated.

    1. Threaten the companies who sell online.

      1. Yep. I bet you’ll see all the sites remove CA from their “Ship to” lists.

      2. ^^this^^

        “Nice business you do in CA, MidwayUSA….be a shame if…”

    2. probably just draconian sentences on the few people they do manage to catch in order to make an example of them.

    3. Kamala Harris is suing three mail order companies right now because they ship hi-cap “rebuild” kits to CA.

    4. I haven’t attempted to buy any ammo online in a while, but I was under the impression that California had already banned internet ammo purchases. Maybe I’ll try to order some today and see what happens.

      1. I thought the same thing.

      2. OK, it’s not the whole state. Currently, you can’t purchase ammo online in Napa county, Oakland, L.A., or San Francisco.

        1. Actually, you can purchase ammo online in LA. The regulations (fingerprint, submit records, etc.) only apply to vendors locate in the city proper. But many online vendors are simply afraid of doing something wrong, and so won’t ship here.

          1. Cheaper than Dirt will ship to any city in LA County other than the City of Los Angeles proper.

  17. “I’ll never understand leftists and their bizarre fear of weapons”

    Who or what were they counting on for protection back when they feared a President Palin or President Santorum was going to unleash the Montana militias on abortion clinics and artisanal mayonnaise stores?

    1. Well, maybe the mayonnaise stores…

      1. They came for the Artisanal Mayonnaise store, and I said nothing…

        1. artisanal mayonnaise? God I hope that is a joke, and not a real thing.

            1. And a tiny bit of my faith in humanity just died a little.

              1. that made me snort pop out my nose…

              2. You had some of that faith left? You poor thing.

            2. $8 for a 9oz jar? That’s kind of ridiculous.

          1. Oh you wish. When this story first broke, sloopyinca had an EPIC meltdown over it, hence why it has become a staple gag ’round here:


            1. PSF, you’re at one of the epicenters of hipster nonsense. What does your gut tell you about baconnaise?

              Blog idea: Hipster or Not?

              1. I think clever, probably delicious, but not “artisanal” because it’s on too large of a scale. But artisanal foods don’t bother me. I can be a bit of a foodie, but I’m not insane. I hate food shopping with my girlfriend because it takes forever with all the interrogating of the produce guys as to what’s freshest and best and all the tasting and whatnot. The Berkeley Bowl has an astounding produce section (e.g. about 30 different sorts of fresh mushrooms), so she can easily spend 45 minutes in that section alone.

          2. Why? Sounds good t me. Or are you one of those mayonnaise haters?

        2. And damn it they were right to.

    2. Why, the state, of course. Some people, fearing the mob, decided that the only thing to do was to make sure that only the state was armed _and that they controlled the state_. That’s why control of the state is so important to them: the state is the be-all, end-all to them. All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.

  18. “I’ll never understand leftists and their bizarre fear of weapons”

    An armed populace can’t be terrorized by the mob. Leftists are fascists and disarming the public is the only way for their tactics to be fully effective.

    1. The funny thing is that some leftists are members of groups who used to be victims of the mob at various times in history.

      You would think that anyone that was gay, or black, or jewish, etc. would be the most pro-gun people around today, but for some reason they are not.

      1. Besides every election year the democrats tell every Black, Hispanic, Gay, Female, Jew, Muslim, etc. That evil racist Republicans want to basically murder them in the street.

        You would think if they actually believed that then they would want some form of protection.

        1. Yeah, I was on the periphery of a discussion where a Jewish guy was telling all listeners that all guns should be confiscated, etc. I horned in and asked two questions: Do you think the anti-Semitic right wing militias are going to give up their guns? And what are you going to do when they bust into the synagogue looking for an easy target? He laughed and said that would never happen. I dropped a “How soon we forget” and sought a more rational conversation.

          1. You would think that over 2000 years of persecution would be enough to wake somebody up.

          2. He laughed and said that would never happen

            Without private gun ownership, it wouldn’t need to. They could just use rocks and molotov cocktails.

            1. Yea because a government would never try to oppress any group based on their religion or race would they.

              1. A government could, but not theirs. Because theirs is of, by, and for them. Because it says so, and because they go into a booth and make sure it does, by choosing between two guys.

      2. It is amazing how irrational they are. Common conceal and carry would make gay bashing a real contact sport. But you have to remember, to a leftist everything is secondary to the cause. So if advancing the cause means leaving some guy guys defenseless against a beating, well eggs and omelets and all that.

  19. Reasonable.


    1. Make as many gun owners criminals as possible and make the act of owning a gun as likely to result in your being a criminal as you possibly can.

  20. To obtain such a permit, the holder would have to pass a traditional background check as well as a mental health check, according to De Le?n.

    We should have a comparable set of requirements in order to obtain a permit to run for public office. Some enterprising soul should make the appropriate substitutions in the wording this ammo bill and introduce it as a citizen initiative.

    1. And once you get the permit, the police have your name on the list as an evil gun owner. So if they ever serve a search warrant or have any reason to go to your house, they will send the SWAT team.

      1. And if they behave the same way as they have for gun registration, if anybody in your house loses their ability (in some CA bureaucrat’s eye) to lawfully possess a firearm, they’ll come by and grab everybody’s stuff. Looks like they’ll need a bigger truck.

        That case that was in HuffPo about their grabbing not only the wife’s pistol, because she had a recent 72 hour-ish hold, but the husband’s guns too, was a real eyeopener. They just don’t give a shit anymore.

    2. This shouldn’t surprise anyone who follows California politics….this is just how De Leon is going to make his bones with the big donors.

  21. Looks like its time to set up a chain of ammo stores on the CA borders of AZ, NV, and OR.

  22. With laws like these I may have to move to another state sooner than I thought.Thank goodness I’ve just made some business contacts in Nevada.

  23. “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in Government. ” – Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)

    “The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that… it is their right and duty to be at all times armed;… ” – Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)

    “All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party. ” – Mao Tse Tung

    “…We kind of agree with Mao that political power comes largely from the barrel of a gun.” – Ron Bloom, Obama’s car czar.

    “”I don’t believe gun owners have rights.” – Sarah Brady

    ” I dont care about crime, I just want to get the guns.” – Sen. Howard Metzenbaum

    Does anyone here have questions about why they want to ban guns?

  24. Sometimes man, you jsut have to roll with the punches.

  25. But dead people can vote and teenage girls cannot take an Advil in school, but can get Abortions without informing parents and illegals can work, play give birth to anchor babies. I am so confused as to who Americans are. Do they have a culture or . . . Or what?

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