Get Ready for More DUI Checkpoint Video as Libertarians Build an Organized Campaign


DUI checkpoint in Tennessee
Youtube/Chris Kalbaugh

Chris Kalbaugh, a 21-year-old college student, hit national headlines when he heeded Libertarian Party of Tennessee warnings about Independence Day DUI checkpoints and set a video camera up to record any interactions if he was stopped. The ensuing footage, capturing as it does an unfailingly polite motorist being hassled by Rutherford County sheriff's deputies for asserting his rights, and those same officers later tossing his car while frankly discussing the unfounded nature of the search, has gone viral. As of this morning, it's been viewed almost 3.2 million times. The Rutherford County Sheriff's Office says the interaction is "under investigation," which usually means they'll sit on it until the media moves on to something shinier and prettier. But there has already been fallout as the checkered past of the featured deputy is revealed to public scrutiny. And the Libertarian Party of Tennessee promises an organized effort to make such videos common.

Deputy A.J. Ross, the deputy who speaks directly to Kalbaugh in the video, has an interesting past of his own, involving a certain lackadaisical attitude toward his job and a more take it or leave it stance toward motor vehicle rules than you might guess from the video. According to WSMV:

Deputy AJ Ross has faced scrutiny in the past and has actually worked for the department on two different occasions.

His personnel file shows Ross left the sheriff's department in 2004. He resigned instead of being terminated after failing to show up to testify in court on a day when he had dozens of criminal cases on the docket.

He also missed a grand jury appearance, according to the file.

On top of all that, Ross lied about having insurance when he rear-ended someone in his pickup truck, the file shows.

Hmmm … That would seem to be a bit more transgressive than declining to lower a window more than halfway when speaking with a police officer — the action that set Ross off during his interaction with Kalbaugh.

According to a Libertarian Party of Tennessee press release, Kalbaugh's camera was set up because "members of the Rutherford County (TN) Libertarian Party became concerned about DUI checkpoints occurring in Rutherford County. Members were advised to record their interactions, should they find themselves going through a checkpoint during their routine travels. It was made clear that this would be done so in a way that was nonconfrontational and unobtrusive, but still in clear view of law enforcement."

During the encounter, the Rutherford County deputies invoked "alerts" by a drug-sniffing dog as cause to force Kalbaugh to exit his car while it was searched. Unsurprisingly, nothing was found, since as Reason writers have documented, dogs will alert on pretty much anything their handlers suggest with signals subtle and not so much. Tellingly, before discovering the camera, Deputy Ross conceded that Kalbaugh was "perfectly innocent and he knows his rights" while his colleague admitted, "It wasn't a very good alert."

Kalbaugh isn't giving interviews at the moment, presumably on legal advice, but Axl David, LP of Tennessee Communications Director, tells me that the county party is considering creating a formal organization to continue to make sure that checkpoints continue to be monitored by video cameras. He told me, "We want all law enforcement agencies in Middle Tennessee to know that they will be watched and held accountable should they abuse anyone's civil liberties."

To give that organization the ability to fulfill its mission, the county party is in the process of creating an Kickstarter IndieGoGo campaign to help fund dashcams for active members. The link is here for anybody who wants to support the project.

As for the results from such efforts … Even if police departments respond with nothing more than a flurry of announcements about pending investigations, the whole effort will be worthwhile if the A.J. Rosses of the world tune up their conduct to avoid scrutiny of their work history and personal foibles.

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  2. Is this…is this good news? At H&R? What the fuck are you doing, JD?!?

    1. Wait for it… (and put on a cup)

  3. To give that organization the ability to fulfill its mission, the county party is in the process of creating a Kickstarter campaign to help fund dashcams for active members. Once it’s up and running, I’ll provide a link for anybody who wants to support the project.

    Don’t most people already carry around devices that are capable of recording decent-quality video anyway?

    1. Yes, but you have to set it up. I can’t use it to navigate or make phone calls while it is recording audio and video.

      A dedicated device is perfect.

      1. Ah, so I assume the motto for the dashcam campaign will be “but my phone is all the way over therrrrrrre.

        1. Uh, no. Your phone is not set up to record things going on even when you have been removed from your car by the cops on spurious grounds. Phone cameras are a wonderful thing for police accountability, but they are not a substitute for all other cameras.

          1. As a precaution, whenever I’m being pulled over or going through a checkpoint, I start the video camera on my cell phone and place it inconspicuously so that it’s pointed at my window. It will record until the memory is full used up and immediately upload the video to 2 separate places when recording stops. They’d have to get to my phone and smash it or get the security code (not gonna happen) before the video uploads. At that point, there is no memory hole for them to flush it.

            Luckily, I’ve not had need for any of the video. I’ve only had to do it twice and both times were small town cops who gave me warnings. But it’s there just in case.

            1. Qik uploads streaming…even if they smash it will upload whatever to that point.

              1. Thank you. I’ll play around with it later. Ideally, I’d still like to have it copied to several places. I’ll have to see what format it uses and how it’s stored.

            2. or get the security code (not gonna happen)

              We’ll see if Mr. Nightstick or Mrs. Taser can sway your opinion.

              1. I’d only have to hold out until I was sure the upload was complete. At 4G speeds, not long. I’ve been tased, it sucks, but it’s not unbearable.

    2. Plus once you are arrested and the cops impound the car the dash cam footage may mysteriously erase itself and or disappear down the memory hole.

      Unless the device is live streaming on the web and being recorded by a third party.

    3. Rather than a kickstarter to buy dashcams for their members they should do a kickstarter to write some open source software to let dashcams live stream media to third-party sites via a user’s smartphone.

      Two modes would be useful: 1. Cam constantly records (by overwriting) the last 10 minutes. Push a button at any time to send that 10 minutes of canned video to the third-party site. 2. Push a button to start live streaming media immediately.

      If I’m going to contribute something to a kickstarter, I want to get something out of it.

  4. I was watching the youtube comments go by. It’s amazing to see people essentially say: “Listen, people, all you have to do is obey, and everything will be fine. If you don’t obey, you should always expect trouble.”


    1. Many people love to submit. It’s a legacy of our tribal/primate origins.

    2. Yeah, my thought too. I would be more optimistic about the Youtube hits if the comments didn’t mostly run to the cop’s side e.g.:

      “kids an asswipe!…? he would have been on his way in less than 5 if he did what was wanted. dwi is big on the holidays”

      “I don’t really know what your point is…Had you rolled down? the window you would have went right through…..you are making it bad for others. and you wasted their time.”

      “times are not what they once were. Things can not be handled like they were when our Founding Father’s came together. It seems your issues are with the people trying to keep a civil society. Gangsters of the government, how about gangsters period? How about people who are not law abiding vs those who are? How about following reasonable laws? Asking someone questions to ensure the safety of others is nothing like enslaving people. You? talk about ignorance, let’s talk about arrogance.”

      1. I wouldn’t read too much into the content of Youtube comments. They are always terrible.

    3. Well, it is accurate. Most people go along to get along, it’s easier to go home and be pissed about the violation than to bear the consequences of disobeying an unjust law.

  5. This is a great campaign. It may be the first actual productive thing I have seen Libertarians do in my lifetime. Most people never have any interaction with cops. So, they have no idea what assholes cops are. These videos are going to debase a lot of people of their ideas about cops. This is why cops hate being videotaped. They don’t want the public to see how they actually act.

    1. A lot of these kinds of videos are lately showing up at http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/ and making it to the top/front page. I think it is having the effect you describe exactly.

      1. I hope so. Cops are generally very good about knowing who they can pick on. Most people in this country have no idea what cops are really like. They need to see the reality of what is going on out there.

        1. Cops, TSA goons, and other petty authority figures used to fuck with me a lot when I was a skinny 200-pound skinhead looking teenager. Now that I’m gigantic and older and usually bearded, they never do. I wonder if it’s because I look more respectable now, or if they’re afraid of me.

          1. It’s because they’re afraid of you. Everyone is afraid of you. Except me, because I know that thing that I will tell everyone if you fuck with me. You know, the thing about your wiener.

            1. I don’t know what you’re talking about. Are you confusing my wiener with your mom’s?

              1. Possibly, but I’m pretty sure I’m remembering yours just fine. Especially the spikes.

                1. You didn’t get any of the spikes, you fucking liar. The spikes are for closers.

                  1. Don’t push me! Do you want to start talking about the running sores right here amongst everyone?

          2. When I was 6’9″, huge, young, with long hair and Iron Maiden shirts, the cops fucked with me. When I am 6’9″, huge, not so young, with short hair and collared shirts, the cops don’t fuck with me. My take is that either respectability and lack of fear go hand-in-hand or it’s purely respectability that is driving the change.

            1. You’re probably right. I once saw an interview with Bruce Dickinson where he talked about how much better he gets treated now that he cut his hair.

            2. Hodor

            3. Not being in your teens or early 20s helps a lot too.

          3. It is about looking respectable. There was a morning DJ in Austin when I was living down there who took a challenge and cut his hair and wore a business suit everywhere he went in public at all times for a month. Normally he was a late 30s, long hair, jeans and t-shirt wearing angry divorced guy. He said he was amazed at how differently people treated him.

            1. I had a job selling tractors and stuff when I was real young and had to wear a tie. It was amazing the amount of respect people will give an obviously high 19 yo when he has a tie on.

              The biggest thing was when dealing with clerks behind a counter. I once overdrew my account by a lot (drugs) and went in to see if they’d take the charges off and they did with no questions asked. No way would they do that if I came in on my off hours wearing a ripped OpIvy shirt and reeking of stale beer.

              1. I had the same experience when I went in the military and would wear my uniform places. People were so much nicer to me. College chicks working behind a counter who wouldn’t have given me the time of day out of uniform would smile and flirt with me in uniform.

                1. Did you ever tell off any flagwavers who made sure to thank you for your service? That had to get pretty old after a few thousand times.

                  1. No Warty. And it gets really old. Always makes me feel so uncomfortable. I used to go to lunch in Atlanta and people would buy my lunch without my knowing it. I hated that. I have done that stuff, but it has always been in airports and for a couple of privates who were obviously 18, broke and just out of basic. Those guys and gals deserved a free meal. Me, not at all.

                    1. It’s so obviously phony. It makes my skin crawl whenever I hear it.

                    2. People should thank the people that actually serve them for their service. Like the guy at burger king, or your cabbie, or a local business owner. Those are the people that make your life better.

                    3. I have a friend that puts it best when people thank him for his service. He just tells them “I don’t require your thanks. I signed up for the military knowing what was in store. I knew that I may never come back. I knew that I may have to kill people. The sacrifice was my choice. If you want to show thanks, live in such a way as to be worthy of those sacrifices.”

                    4. Too wordy. I suggest he shorten it to “FUCK YOU, ASSHOLE!!” while exposing himself.

                    5. Well, he has admitted to accepting sexual favors as “thanks” for his service, too… sooo.

                    6. “It makes my skin crawl whenever I hear it.”

                      This is one of the most bizarre thing I have read. I mean, if it isn’t your thing, then fine. But why do you think they are phonies?

                      You really don’t think these people feel grateful that a kid is out in Iraq or Afghanistan getting shot at?


            2. Way back when I was a new-grad, junior engineer I used to take my lunch into work every morning in a standard lunch box. Every morning I would walk by the guard shack on the way into work and exchange pleasantries with the guard.

              One weekend, I pick up a cheap brief case so that I could put my lunch and the morning paper in to the brief case. When I said good morning to the guard, he replied “good morning sir” in a very formal fashion. And I thought, WTF?

              I have been very aware of how appearances affect people ever since.

              1. This has long been known in hacking/phreaking circles as part and parcel of social engineering. Put on a lab coat and have a clipboard and glasses and you can pretty much go anywhere there isn’t serious security; no one will question you.

                1. Episiarch,

                  The trick to going anywhere is acting and looking like you belong. I have a friend who used to go to fashion week in New York. She would just go into the tents and sit down. A lot people in the fashion industry are very sensitive about being asked for a badge. They expect everyone to know who they are. So, they police who gets in by how the people are dressed and whether they go for the SWAG bags or not. Going for a SWAG bag is a sure tipoff you don’t belong there. Dress well, don’t go for the SWAG and have a “don’t you know who I am” look on your face and at least according to my friend you are golden.

                  1. Yeah, John, that’s the more advanced stuff, which is bluffing your way into something. But lab coats and clipboards are truly magical. Think of if you saw some people you didn’t know wandering around your office…but they had lab coats or suits and clipboards and seemed to be looking at stuff and writing on the clipboard. Would you even give them a second thought? Or would you assume they were there for some official purpose like an inspection?

                    I think most of us wouldn’t give them a second thought. “They wouldn’t be able to be here if they weren’t supposed to be here.”

                    1. So that’s how you got into that monkey lab. I knew they wouldn’t just let someone like you in.

                    2. You wouldn’t episiarch. I work in a closed compound. And if someone came into my office in a lab coat and told me he needed to do something on my computer, I would probably let him.

                    3. Think of if you saw some people you didn’t know wandering around your office

                      Considering my office is in my house, it would freak me the fuck out.

                2. Put on a lab coat and have a clipboard and glasses and you can pretty much go anywhere there isn’t serious security; no one will question you.

                  Ever watch Brain Games?

                  They did a segment where they tested how people react to people in uniform. It was enlightening.

              2. “He’s a human being. Why are they all bowing to him? Because of his name and his uniform.”

              3. You don’t see lunch boxes anymore. The old standard black lunch boxes that looked like a mail box were kind of awesome in their own way.

                1. And the thermos, you had to have the thermos.

                  1. Yes, the thermos that fit in the lid.

                    1. That shit was more confusing than magnets — kept hot stuff hot and cold stuff cold.

          4. Its probably that you look respectable.

            When I was in the military cops didn’t look twice at me. Now that I’m out and haven’t cut my hair in a year and grew a beard I get stopped and searched everytime I cross the border.

            Probably doesn’t help that I usually cross with a shaved-headed Mexican friend of mine. We probably actually do look like a pair of smugglers.

            1. Take Achilles with you. Nobody fucks with the Achilles.

            2. I moved out to Arizona for a bit with a buddy of mine and we were both long haired musicians at the time. Anyhow, we got stopped at one of those near the border checkpoints in NM or AZ. We were driving an old beat up honda packed to the roof with music gear.

              The guy interrogated us forever, insisting that we were smuggling dope. He REALLY wanted in that car, but we wouldn’t let him. He was polite about it, but annoyingly insistent. He played the, “C’mon guys, you won’t get in trouble. Hey, I smoke a bit too on the weekends. We’ll let you go!” act.

              I didn’t tell my buddy that I did indeed have a bunch of drugs as that would of made him nervous. In his ignorance he got really angry and indignant, which I think made the SS back off a bit.

              1. I like this story.

                One question though, how do you go on a road trip with a buddy and not bring up that your brought drugs?

                1. He’s a drinker and never really did drugs. We got high in high school and stuff, but he liked beer much more. Not that he gives a shit either way, just personal preference.

                  I’ve actually told him to come on here and comment as he’s libertarian, but he’s not a sit on a computer type person.

                2. Yeah, that’s a serious dick move.

                  1. He said later that he figured I had some anyways and didn’t ask because he didn’t want to know.

                    I’d of told him if he asked.

          5. Cops used to fuck with me at every available opportunity.

            Not once have they given me shit since I cut my long hair off.

            1. I’ve always looked respectable and they’ve never looked at me twice. I think the lesson here is, look respectable if you want to get away with shit.

              1. That didn’t work for Hans Gruber.

          6. “skinny 200-pound”

            How fucking tall are you?

            1. 6’2″. 200 pounds is the minimum an adult male over 6 foot should weigh.

              1. Fine if you’re a yeti, but what about adult male humans?

              2. As someone who never quite cracked 6′, someone who to this day is given shit about it by his father and older brothers, let me be the first to say fuck you and your height. It’s fair, though, I do it to everyone taller than me/who won’t hit me for it.

              3. The BMI is a nice BROAD measure but 187 for 6’2″ is fucking emaciated if you ask me. I am “aiming” for 210-215. Not quite there.

            2. The fact that his head is solid bone makes him a lot heavier. Did you know that Warty’s kind have their brain in their rump? True story.

  6. Trying to induce self-reflection in cops is fruitless; like trying to teach them to sing (“it is a waste of time, and annoys the pig”).

  7. MrStevenSnell 42 seconds ago
    Relax.Theres a difference? between having a permanent dash cam on a cop cruiser and then deliberately setting up your phone for a one time incident. He knew exactly what was going to happen and yes he did have an agenda. Bottom line is that if this kid simply had respect by rolling down the window or answering how old he was, this never would have happened. I understand police can abuse their authority but if u can’t respect what they do, then u deserve to live in a world without their protection
    Reply ? in reply to Muzzy337 (Show the comment)

    You know, the youtube moron was accidentally right. I do deserve to live in a world without this kind of “police protection”.

    1. Me too. I will take my chances dodging the occasional drunk and avoid the armed asshole harassing me.

      1. Where do people get the idea that police are there for protection? No, they’re not, you morons, they’re officers of the court, and their job is to collect evidence. Any protecting they do is strictly accidental.

        1. Yeah. They are not your friends. The only time they maybe will help you is if you are a victim of a crime. Then if it is a serious enough crime and easy enough to solve, they will go find the guy who did it. But if you are not a victim, nothing good ever happens when you interact with them. At best, no bad things happen, but never any good things.

        2. Where do people get the idea that police are there for protection?

          Public schools and the state-run media.

          1. Also, private schools and virtually any private organization of the mainstream conservative or liberal variety. Remember Waco? Chuck Schumer and his liberal friends just COULD NOT imagine why anyone would be upset with the behavior of law enforcement.

        3. Where do people get the idea that police are there for protection?

          Protection rackets, sure.

        4. Because we’re all nostalgic for the days when the motto was “to protect and serve” instead of “obey and submit”?

        5. I disagree even that they serve the courts anymore. They have morphed into a body of self-interested bureaucrats. They serve themselves and they serve one-another, and like any special interest with political aspirations, they serve the drive to collectivize.

    2. It’s hilarious that in a country where crime and violence are at an all-time low, low foreheads like this little pussy feel they need the cops to “protect” them. I’m assuming this pussy little tool thinks taking off your shoes at the airport is super important as well.

    3. Theres a difference? between having a permanent dash cam on a cop cruiser and then deliberately setting up your phone for a one time incident.

      The dash cam is more likely to suffer from a mysterious “mechanical failure” when something that embarrasses the police happens.

      He knew exactly what was going to happen and yes he did have an agenda.

      To record the professionalism and good conduct of the police? What is so wrong with that?

      Bottom line is that if this kid simply had respect by rolling down the window or answering how old he was, this never would have happened.

      Can I borrow your crystal ball after you get done with it, Czar of the Universe?

      I understand police can abuse their authority but if u can’t respect what they do, then u deserve to live in a world without their protection

      How dare you peasants disrespect your lords! Don’t you know the nobility is the only thing protecting you from the Huns?

      1. then u deserve to live in a world without their protection

        If that also means I get to live in a world where they leave me alone, where do I sign up?

    4. I’ve had people make that argument to me as well. I tell them that it sounds like a good deal and to keep their cops off my lawn if they wanna keep ’em alive, I’ll take care of myself.

    5. I understand police can abuse their authority but if u can’t respect what they do, then u deserve to live in a world without their protection

      I want to live in a world free of bad grammar, non sequiturs, and keyboards that have malfunctioning keys like the ‘y’ and the ‘o’.

    6. if this kid simply had respect by rolling down the window or answering how old he was, this never would have happened.

      “If she’d stop sassing me, I wouldn’t have to beat her.”

      1. If that nigger hadn’t whistled at that white girl, none of this wouldn’t have happened.

  8. hey if any tennessee libertarians are reading this: CROWDTILT is a better platform for this kind of thing than kickstarter, I have a feeling that it may run afoul of the kickstarter rules. But good luck anyway!

  9. The great thing about this is that there is no way to stop it. Video recording technology is so advanced now that placing a hidden camera is very easy. And it is only going to get easier.

    In some ways that is a big disturbing. I am frankly surprised any of the perverts who plant cameras in girls’ locker rooms and such ever get caught. Cameras are so small and unnoticeable now. But this in contrast is an upside to such cameras.

    1. They don’t get caught because someone saw the camera. They get caught because they don’t know how to keep their yaps shut. It’s easy to get away with crime. All you have to do is not leave your wallet at the scene, and keep your mouth shut.

      1. Yup. That and not have any connection or little connection to the victim.

        1. Hmmm…. *furiously scribbles notes*

          1. But Warty loves all his victims! Physically, but still…

            1. “Well, your daddy, whoever he was, surely we loved each other for a period of time. Of that I am c…pretty sure.”

      2. The guy who stabbed me lost his wallet at the scene and told his girlfriend he had killed two people. Good thing he didn’t follow your approach.

        1. Wait, what? Have you told this story here before?

          1. I’m pretty sure I did quite a while back, but I wouldn’t bet money on it.

            1. I usually remember stabbing stories, unless I don’t. But I usually do.

              1. I can hit the highlights but it’s not something that necessarily interesting enough just to throw out there unbidden.

                1. Don’t tell Warty! Don’t ever ever tell Warty! He feeds on stories pain and suffering. You’ll only make him stronger!

                2. So tell us. Stabbing is always interesting.

                  Charlie Kelly: Thanks Bro! Hey Liam, I’m sorry I sent you to jail, man. But any time you want to stab me would be great for me!

                  [Liam stabs him with a fork]

                  Charlie Kelly: Ahhh! Ohh!

                  Liam McPoyle: That’s what you get Charlie! You get fork stabbed!

                  1. A guy broke into my girlfriend’s apartment in the middle of the night. We didn’t know he was in the apartment until he turned on the bedroom light. We end up in the living room when he comes at me with what even Crocodile Dundee would call a knife. We struggle for a time while I have my hand on his right wrist trying to get him to drop the knife or at least not get stabbed. At some point my hand slips off his wrist and he stabs me in the freakin’ liver. He puts the knife to the girlfriend’s throat and forces us into another room, at which point he takes her and closes the door. I come back out, at which point he’s already stabbed her in the heart (which I didn’t know at the time) and run away. I give her a blanket to use to put pressure on her wound. This is pre-cell phone, so I knock on a couple of apartment doors and no one answers, so I go across the parking lot and road to a convenience store to call an ambulance, bleeding all over this poor bastard’s store.

                    Eventually to ambulance and cops show up. It turns out the guy’s wallet came out during the fight. The girlfriend was stabbed in the heart, and had defensive wounds, wasn’t breathing when the cop got there, and basically should have died. My liver was cut almost in two and I basically should have died. The cops are talking to me on the way to the ER because the doctors told them that might be their only chance.

                    Anyway, it wasn’t hard to find the guy and he didn’t have much of a defense. He was sentenced to 99 years.

                    1. Did you ever find out the guy’s motive? Did he think he was breaking into an empty apartment? Or was he just a loony?

                    2. Not definitively.

                      He knocked before he broke the deadbolt through the balsa-like doorframe, so if I had to bet, I’d bet he thought no one was there.

                      I wasn’t allowed in the courtroom during the trial, but he claimed he thought he was at a friend’s apartment but he was so drunk and high he wasn’t thinking clearly.

                    3. Thank God you didn’t have a pistol, or someone might have died.

                    4. If he did it tonight, someone would die and some hazmat and carpet cleaners would have some work.

                    5. I’ll be honest, I was waiting for the point at which you bludgeoned him to death with your trusty tire iron. Home invasions enrage me like nothing else except perhaps rape. More so than mass shootings or bombings: they’re usually crazies or political martyrs.

                    6. If it had happened at my place, he’d have been beaten to death with a 36″ Easton aluminum baseball bat.

                    7. Man. Glad to hear you survived that. Home invasions and break ins piss me off. People that do that crap and violate the security of a persons home are vile.

                      My wife had her house broken into multiple times before we were married. She had to move out and live with a friend because of the ensuing paranoia. Oh and the cops did absolutely nothing.

                    8. Oh and the cops did absolutely nothing.

                      O.o You don’t say…

                    9. Considering the batting averages the jokers in uniform are sporting, your wife is probably fortunate they opted to do nothing.

    2. John, I’m sure that the guys getting caught are the tip of the iceberg.

      1. Probably so. At this point, you really have very little privacy.

    3. I am frankly surprised any of the perverts who plant cameras in girls’ locker rooms and such ever get caught.

      What percentage are you assuming get caught?

      Im guessing its pretty low.

      1. and tarran beat me to it.

  10. And the police problem knows no borders:


    And here’s a part of his “chequered history”:


  11. http://www.mecum.com/auctions/…..artRow=277

    The Italians in the 50s didn’t build cars, they made art. Wow.

    1. I think I just ovulated.

    2. Oh my.

      Where’s the warning label at.

      You know, the one that says:

      If you experience an erection lasting more than four hours, go to the emergency room.

      1. It is Pavlovian isn’t it? You look at that car and your breath is just taken away.

    3. They only got better in the ’60s.

      1. I like the 50s ones better. But they were awfully good in the 60s. I can’t stand what they did in the 70s and 80s. Once t hey went mid engined everything looked tacky. The newer ones have started to look better, more classic.

        1. Agreed, they must have watched too many batman episodes in the 60s, which screwed up their designs in the 70s and 80s. However, the 1966 P3 is easily the best looking car ever built by anyone anywhere anytime ever.

          1. I like the 250 Lussos a lot. And the 375s were gorgeous. To me it started to go down hill with the Daytona. I know people love the early 70s Daytonas. But to me they scream bad 70s.

          2. However, the 1966 P3 is easily the best looking car ever built by anyone anywhere anytime ever.

            Seconded. That car just looks like it might seduce you. Nope, scratch that… Would seduce you.

            1. They are what a race car should look like All race cars should look like a P3 or an original GT40.

      2. I have a Ferrari. It’s blue.


        1. Hmm, it clearly says it’s the “Cadillac of corkers.”

          1. You have a product that is “literally” branded as a Ferrari, and then marketing fucks it up and calls it a Cadillac.

        2. For some reason I was expecting to see a tool for working on floors.

        3. I bet you are a cork soaker too.

    4. oh yeah… that looks like one of the cars I saw on the Le Mans documentary I recently watched.



      1. I watched that too. Those cars were death traps. But they were so beautiful. So much more beautiful than the race cars today.

        1. speeds of 185mph too – those drivers were legends for a reason.

          1. 185 with no down force or disk brakes much less ceramic breaks. The old drum breaks would get hot and practically stop working. Balls of steel doesn’t even begin to describe those guys.

    5. The old Ferraris are beautiful. I think that they still have some of the best looking cars, but they just look like nice cars now and don’t have so much character.

      1. That is true of even affordable cars. Compare an original Mini of Fiat 500 to the new versions. The old versions just have more character and look better.

        1. Wind tunnels ruined style.

          1. http://www.madwhips.com/slamme…..tock-rims/

            Zero lift, 0.30 drag coefficient.

            Plenty of style in my opinion (but then I am biased)

            1. The 2014 918 is pretty cool looking


            2. http://images.gtcarlot.com/pictures/30273567.jpg

              One of the few advantages of being a 56 year old engineer (with empty-nest syndrome).

              1. My hobby is a old Mustang. Not a Shelby or anything, but at least a V8. I think everyone should own a Detroit V8 at least once in their lives.

                1. My first car was a ’69 Camaro with a 350 V8 and a 4 barrel carb. Got nine miles to the gallon in city driving. Good times.

                  1. My Mustang has the small block 289. It gets about 12 in the city. I go back and forth with it. I basically have tried to restore it almost to exactly what it was like when it left the showroom. I still have a bit to go, but I am close.

                    But part of me would like to rebuild the front end, put a new better rear end and four speed manual transmission, disk breaks, and rebuild the top of the engine with four valve per cylinder heads and a good four barrel carb. It would be a peppy little car after I did that.

                    But then I think if I want a fast car, I should just buy a new one. The fun of an old car is its looks and the fact that it is a bit of a time machine.

                  2. first car: ’68 Firebird red with black vinyl top. Pontiac 350 had been replaced with a 400. 2-speed powerglide! yikes.

                    My recent car was a ’86 Monte Carlo SS – I took out the 305 and installed a 355 that I built myself with Vortec heads and a ZZ4 roller cam. 2500 stall converter on the rebuilt/modified 200-4R. With the 3.73 gears I could light up the tires from a 45mph roll.

                    Damn, that car was dangerous – too much engine for the stock brakes and (aged) suspension. It was also too flashy – cop magnet!

                2. I’ve got an old RX-7 I’m racing. I’ve had nothing but piston engines until I bought this car. It’s like working on an alien spaceship in comparison.

                3. I did, unfortunately it was in a pale yellow 1979 Lincoln Town Car (with brown velour interior) which I called the Big America Mobile.

                  The only time it really scared me was the last time I drove it on the interstate, foot to the floor watching the speedometer drop below 30 climbing hills.

                  Maybe an earlier V8 would be more fun.

                4. John, i wish I had known about your Stang fetish. I just sold a ’67 with 41k original miles on it. 289. Coupe. She was an heirloom.

            3. I was exaggerating a bit. There are some great looking new cars, much better than in the 70s 80s or 90s. The Nissan does look very nice. But I’d say that the (quite understandable) focus on aerodynamics has limited the creativity of car designs somewhat. Except for some of the really far out supercars and things like that, most cars are better or worse proportioned variations on the same themes.

            4. I had a 350z briefly. Very briefly. It’s a really pretty car, it’s got some balls, but I hated driving it. It handles like a pregnant Yak and I’ve driven Motorhomes with smaller blind spots.

              1. The blind spots are all behind you. You just need to go fast enough you don’t have to worry about anything back there.

                1. High speed lane change maneuvers while darting in and out of traffic are a bitch. In the few months I had one, I almost hit several people. I lost a freakin 15 passenger van in the blind spot once…

                  I tend to drive like an asshole, I need to be able to see what’s around me so I don’t kill myself. (or the 15 Amish in that passenger van)

                  1. You can set the side mirrors so there are not blind spots.

                    1. Maybe if you have those convex “old man” mirrors you might be able to reduce the blind spot, but it’d still be pretty bad. And that still doesn’t address the issue of it being a lead sled.

                      I’ll stick with the TT I replaced it with. It’s not as fast in a straight line, but I can take corners at 3x the speed without even chirping the tires.

          2. “Aerodynamics are for people who can’t build engines.” – Enzo Ferrari

    6. Just wait until my 3D printer can print THAT!

    7. When I see pics like this, it deepens my confusion over people who think a standard Porsche is a car to lust over.





      1. I agree. I love Porsches. They are amazing machines and pieces of engineering. But they are not works of art, although the old 550 Spyders are the exception to the rule.


        If I had a few extra million laying around, I could do worse than one of those.

        1. Yeah, that is pretty.

      2. Porsches look ok. But they are amazing cars to drive. I had a friend who always derided the Bottom of the line Boxter as just for people who want to buy the Porsche name but don’t care about the car. Then he took one out on track day.

        The Porsche isn’t my thing, but I certainly understand why it is for some people.

        1. Have you ever watched a vintage car race? You will have all of these Ferraris and big block corvettes screaming down the straightaways. And in the middle of them will be these little Porsche 356s. The 356s have air cooled four cylinder engines. They can’t begin to keep up with the Ferraris and such on the straights. But they break like crazy and go around the corners on a rail. They out handle and break everything on the track. They are like little terriers running circles around bigger dogs. It is great to wach.

  12. The problem with that car is you have to look like The Most Interesting Man in the World to drive it.

    If you look like me (“thin and neat”) and you drive it, everybody just looks at you and says, “Wow, that fag has a nice car.”

    1. Ya know, I think TMIMITW campaign is one of the more amusing ad campaigns I’ve seen. But it still has inspired me to try a Dos Equis.

      1. “has NOT inspired me”

      2. It is not bad beer. The amber is not bad at all. If you are into your craft, quadruple hop, hipster IPA, is probably won’t do much for you. But as a mass market beer, it is one of the better ones. A lot better than Bud or Miller or something.

        And yeah, those ads are brilliant. “He once parallel parked a train”. I love that.

        1. Amber, basket of chips and salsa, cheap tacos and whatever games happen to be playing basically describes most of my Sunday afternoons for the past several months.

        2. Yeah I should probably try it. My usual go to is Boulevard which is big in the midwest.

      3. I think it’s one of the dumber ad campaigns.

  13. This Ross character ought to go get hired by another little piss-pot “police” department in Tennessee called Piperton.

    That worthless gaggle of misfits would love to have someone like Ross.

  14. Important as well, the vast majority of these “checkpoints”, whether “dui” or “safety” or whatever other reasonable sounding name they use…..this is all funded by federal grant money.

    If the grant money disappeared, most of these “checkpoints” would disappear.

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