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Civil Liberties

Rick Santorum: "We're not the Libertarian Party, we're the Republican Party"

Mike Riggs | 4.1.2013 11:43 AM

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The great libertarian dream of entering the GOP in a Trojan horse Rand Paul built by hand is over. Rick Santorum and Mike Huckabee are on to us and they are putting their gouty feet down. "Look, the Republican Party isn't going to change," former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) tells Politico. "If we do change, we'll be the Whig Party….We're not the Libertarian Party, we're the Republican Party."

Both Santorum and Huckabee (who is far less interesting in Politico's piece, aside from a joke about McCain and Romney failing to "just light 'em up at the National Right to Life Convention") seem to think the real reason the GOP lost two presidential elections in a row is because its candidates did not talk enough about the horrors of abortion and men kissing each other on the mouth. Sayeth Santorum: "If we had candidates in the last two presidential elections who weren't ashamed of the positions they had on these issues and played offense, instead of listening to the same people who now want to abandon the issues, we would've been successful." 

What Santorum doesn't say, but Politico's other interviewees do, is that social conservatives don't find the small government message very convincing:

"If we gave our voters an accurate portrayal of our ideas, that we want to cut the rate of growth on Social Security, give tax cuts to billionaires and then the values issues, the values issues would be more popular than the economic agenda of the current Republican Party," said Gary Bauer, citing particularly those Mass-attending Roman Catholics who have fled the Democrats.

Bauer added, "I would caution the donor wing of the Republican Party that is driving a lot of this: If they think social conservatives are the only thing preventing Republicans from winning, they'll learn that their economic agenda will go down the tubes along with the Republican Party's prospects."

Despite evidence that young voters are cool with men saying "I do!" to other men, and then kissing those men long and hard, Santorum is hopeful they will eventually discover the error of their ways. "I think we'll see the pendulum swing back once young conservatives see the real consequences to the destruction of marriage." 

On another front in the war over the GOP's soul, podcasting Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol says it doesn't matter what young people think about marriage, or anything else for that matter. From Mediaite: 

Noting that the Republican "establishment" (not including himself, of course) looks like a herd "running to catch up with the trends" because "some polls show [same-sex marriage] is now 58% popular and five years ago it was only 43% popular" (yes, that's called an upward trend), Kristol lamented how some of the party's leaders believe it necessary to take on the "fashionable" position of being okay with gay marriage.

"Not only will those earn the contempt of people who believe in defending traditional marriage," he said, but they won't even get credit for hopping onto the bandwagon.

"This kind of pathetic attempt to say, 'Oh, my God! Young people especially are liberal so let's just rush to cater to them,' as if they're going to respect you if you just embrace the views of some 26-year-old who doesn't know anything honestly."

A winning strategy, for sure. 

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  1. Death Rock and Skull   12 years ago

    I would be happy if every baby in the world was aborted if it meant something interesting could be debated, instead of abortion.

    1. Calvin Coolidge   12 years ago

      Yes, but what is your position regarding THE FETUS!? WHAT WILL YOU DO ABOUT FETUSES???? I CAN'T VOTE FOR YOU UNTIL I KNOW WHERE YOU STAND ON THE FETUS!!!!!

      1. Warty   12 years ago

        I'm not sure how I feel about abortion. On the one hand, it's killing a baby, which is good. On the other hand, it's giving women a choice, which is bad. So I dunno.

        1. Episiarch   12 years ago

          Do you even lift, bro?!?

          1. Warty   12 years ago

            http://i55.tinypic.com/wbw41e.jpg

            1. Smack MacDougal   12 years ago

              Who is that guy in the pic? It seems as if the guy in the picture has over-developed traps and puny shoulders.

              Can he do even one pull up (not chin up)? If so, how many can he do after an all-out sprint for time in 200 meters?

        2. KDN   12 years ago

          Obvious answer: a panel of men needs to mandate abortions. Preferably high-status men. The top of society, if you will.

        3. GozWa   12 years ago

          so stealing this

      2. Shine on, Nikki Diamond   12 years ago

        I think the fetus should squat more.

        1. bmp1701   12 years ago

          I recommend Romanian Deadlifts.

          1. Warty   12 years ago

            Blithely promoting accessory exercises as a cure-all. You fucking internet lifting gurus make me sick.

            1. squarooticus   12 years ago

              Romanian deadlifts are the butt blaster equivalent for men. There is no better glute/hamstring workout.

              1. Warty   12 years ago

                Yes there is. Good mornings, deficit SLDLs, deadlifts done on a 45-degree back extension bench, good mornings done on the 45-degree back extension bench...RDLs are fine, but hardly unique.

  2. sage   12 years ago

    Didn't he get shellacked the last two times he ran for office? Yeah, shut the fuck up, frothy ass.

    1. Almanian!   12 years ago

      lulz - it's true because it's FUNNY!

    2. Stormy Dragon   12 years ago

      So did Romney, yet he still became the Nominee.

      I still fear Santorum is going to be the 2016 nominee, out of a combination of "it's his turn", the Republican inclination to vote for the guy who pisses off the most liberals regardless of whether he's a good candidate for the position, and a reactionary desire to go down with the ship on gay marriage, immigration, etc. just to prove that they'll never agree those young whippersnappers were right about anything.

      1. SugarFree   12 years ago

        If Hilary does run, that same calculus works far more in Palin's favor. The GOP thinks they have neutralized The War on Women aspect, and we get to watch an exciting exchange of Politics of Mass Stupidity that results in some horrible person in charge of the country.

        1. Ptah-Hotep   12 years ago

          Politics of Mass Stupidity that results in some horrible person in charge of the country.

          Which is different to what we have now how?

          1. SugarFree   12 years ago

            Menopause jokes. Lame, repetitive menopause jokes.

            1. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

              OW! My period!

              1. Episiarch   12 years ago

                Come on, Kristen, that was neither lame nor repetitive. Can't you try harder?

                1. Warty   12 years ago

                  Ow! Her period!

                2. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

                  OW: my period?!

                  1. Counterfly   12 years ago

                    An interrobang is not going to save you now. Even if it had wings.

              2. Hugh Akston   12 years ago

                Those were both exclamation marks, actually.

              3. SugarFree   12 years ago

                I Can't Believe It's Not My Period, the most realistic period substitute on the market today, or your money back.

                1. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

                  Worst. invention. EVAR.

                  I pray for the sweet, sweet release of menopause for at least 3 days a month...

                  1. SugarFree   12 years ago

                    Worst. invention. EVAR.

                    Considering it's just a bag of chunky chicken blood with a slow leak, you are entirely correct.

                    Stack your BCP, girl. Free yourself now, have the hot flashes later.

                    1. Shine on, Nikki Diamond   12 years ago

                      Sug is wise. I always forget there are still people who let horrible body chemistry ruin like 25% of their lives. It doesn't have to be that way!

                    2. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

                      Over 35 + occassional (ex-full-time) smoker = no BCP. I said I wanted the release of menopause, not death!

                    3. Shine on, Nikki Diamond   12 years ago

                      Yeah, I thought that might be the problem. When my doctor said, "Well once you hit 30, no more smoking AT ALL!" I was like right, I'll remember for sure not to tell you about it AT ALL.

                    4. SugarFree   12 years ago

                      How do you know you don't like blood clots if you haven't ever tried them? Geez, be a little open-minded for once.

                    5. T   12 years ago

                      I'll not be open-minded with you around. You're just looking for an opportunity to creep in and molest my unsuspecting thoughts.

                  2. Cdr Lytton   12 years ago

                    I pray for the sweet, sweet release of menopause for at least 3 days a month...

                    Ah, the innocence of the premenopausal woman.

                    1. Free Society   12 years ago

                      Hot flashes are burning holes in my panties.

        2. VG Zaytsev   12 years ago

          The War on Women aspect, and we get to watch an exciting exchange of Politics of Mass Stupidity that results in some horrible person in charge of the country.

          Palin would be a great president.

          1. SugarFree   12 years ago

            HAHAHAHAHA!

            1. VG Zaytsev   12 years ago

              Why do you laugh.

              Because the important people mock her?

              1. SugarFree   12 years ago

                Well, I am pretty important...

              2. Stormy Dragon   12 years ago

                As I said earlier: "the Republican inclination to vote for the guy who pisses off the most liberals regardless of whether he's a good candidate for the position"

        3. Killazontherun   12 years ago

          They manufactured a War On Women by offering free birth control, what do they do for an encore?

      2. Randian   12 years ago

        I still fear Santorum is going to be the 2016 nominee

        We know. It's like your own weird and unwarranted phobia.

  3. Hugh Akston   12 years ago

    How many election cycles is it going to take for us to tire of the tableau of Senator Cumfart making noise, gaining just enough support to become a media sideshow, and then drenching the stage and podium in the salty ham tears of his doughy, weird-looking kids?

    1. Almanian!   12 years ago

      Don't forget "high-foreheaded" when discussing the kids. "High-foreheaded" is the key.

      1. Hugh Akston   12 years ago

        Seriously, what's up with that? Is his wife Talosian or something?

        1. CE   12 years ago

          I think they got it from the father's side.

      2. Loki   12 years ago

        "That kid's got a forehead you could show movies on..."

        1. Counterfly   12 years ago

          That's no forehead, that's a fivehead.

    2. Death Rock and Skull   12 years ago

      The synonyms of the word santorum that people can come up with will never get old. That's his image for life. His descendents will abstain from procreation (maybe even have abortions!) in order to eliminate the santorum blood line.

      1. CE   12 years ago

        Either that or it's a juvenile joke people will find tiresome, much like they find the candidate.

    3. Jordan   12 years ago

      The media will never tire of him, because they use him to make all Republicans look like fundy lunatics.

      1. Stormy Dragon   12 years ago

        Problem is a lot of Republicans ARE fundy lunatics. Santorum didn't come in second in the 2012 primary all by himself.

        1. Voros McCracken   12 years ago

          I thought Newt came in second?

          1. Hugh Akston   12 years ago

            He probably would. Coming in after someone else has already cleared the path sounds like Newt's style. I just don't understand why anyone would want to come in Santorum in the first place.

            1. jesse.in.mb   12 years ago

              I now have a vision of Newt as Mao and/or Castro hiding with brigands in the mountains until everyone's decimated each other and then swooping in and claiming victory.

            2. Hopfiend   12 years ago

              second mouse gets the cheese...or something like that.

        2. Rasilio   12 years ago

          Actually he kinda did.

          Every other conceivable option dropped out by the Super Tuesday primaries save for Ron Paul leaving the anyone but Romney voters no one else to vote for.

          Easily half of his votes were votes for "Not Romney" rather than people actually supporting Santorum.

          The hardcore social conservatives do make up a significant power block within the republican party but even there it is not a majority representing maybe 30% of the party with the rest ranging from generally agreeing with the SoCons but not considering those issues to be important to being diametrically opposed

          1. Stormy Dragon   12 years ago

            Well you right. Except that Santorum was winning before Super Tuesday. And that Gingrich was still running until May. And that Santorum quit the campaign before Gingrich did, so that if it was really about being the last not Romney, Gingrich would have come in second.

            So really, other than being factually wrong about pretty much every detail, an excellent point.

            1. The Immaculate Trouser   12 years ago

              The only place Santorum won big outside Super Tuesday was Iowa (i.e., the traditional resting place for doomed social conservative campaigns.)

          2. VG Zaytsev   12 years ago

            The hardcore social conservatives do make up a significant power block within the republican party but even there it is not a majority representing maybe 30%...

            It's not even that large.

            The SoCons control the republican party nonsense should have died when Huckster lost to McCain in South Carolina.

        3. robc   12 years ago

          Paul came in 2nd.

          1. Stormy Dragon   12 years ago

            I know Ron Paul supporters like to tell themselves that, but it's not true. Ron Paul came in fourth:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.....ries,_2012

            1. CE   12 years ago

              But delegates choose the nominee, as long as the RNC actually seats them.

            2. Auric Demonocles   12 years ago

              That link suggests he came in 3rd.

      2. robc   12 years ago

        Can a catholic be a fundamentalist?

        1. Ptah-Hotep   12 years ago

          Can a catholic be a fundamentalist?

          Why not.

          http://catholicfundamentalism.com/

          1. Cdr Lytton   12 years ago

            Now fundamentalist Unitarians...

            1. jesse.in.mb   12 years ago

              If that's the one true faith, I'll eat my hat.

            2. Rasilio   12 years ago

              If you don't think Unitarians can be Fundies go to any UU church and say something bad about the green movement.

        2. Auric Demonocles   12 years ago

          Aren't Catholics the most fundamental (besides Jews)?

          1. jesse.in.mb   12 years ago

            Depends on what you mean by fundamentalist. Evangelical protestants would claim they're the most fundamentalist because they adhere most closely to Biblical precepts while Catholics accept Papal authority.

            If you're talking about slavish adherence to orthodoxy then you tend to get a different breakdown and I'd jump wahabbis to the top of the list. Everyone has their cray-cray fundamentalists (by the second definition) though, even the Hindus.

          2. pmains   12 years ago

            Fundamentalism is type of Christianity that owes its origin as a cohesive movement to the book, The Fundamentals. When people talk about Islamic fundamentalists, they just mean Muslims who are extreme.

    4. Ted S.   12 years ago

      We're already tired, but there are people in TEAM RED who actually like him, and people in TEAM BLUE who like putting him forward as evidence of how many people are so horribly intolerant.

      (It's the same reason Fred Phelps & Co. get so much attention.)

  4. $park?   12 years ago

    I wonder what Santorum thinks of GOProud. I wonder what Kristol thinks of the Young Republicans.

    1. Almanian!   12 years ago

      If I didn't know better, I'd think you knew the answer to those questions and were just being rhetorical...

  5. Almanian!   12 years ago

    Wow - the derp is STRONG in these men. Team Red is DOOOOOOMED, I believe.

    Wait, no - I was forgetting the unending stupidity of American voters. And The Rules?. Team Red are just down for awhile - then it will be Team Blue's turn to be town. Cause that's the way Nature (and Team Red and Team Blue) intended it. That's The Rules.

    Carry on with your Bipolar World. There can be no "third way"!

    /derp

    1. $park?   12 years ago

      Individuality is dead, get over it.

      1. Almanian!   12 years ago

        I....I LOVE Big Brother...

        1. grey   12 years ago

          I stopped giving money to team red. Money. They need money. They will get the top man position again and the third way of liberty-frst will not see the light of day. My money makes little difference, but those assholes are not getting any more of it. I'm donating to the Libertarian party and libertarian candidates exclusively. A libertarian in red costume like Rand will still get my support, but I'm being very careful from now on.

    2. heller   12 years ago

      Naw, I think this really is the end for Team Red, barring a catastrophic faux pas by a Dem President. Who is going to go up against Hillary? It doesn't matter, they're going to get beaten up.

      1. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

        Heard the same talk when the GOP controlled everything at the beginning of the millennium. Fact is, it's still either-or in the minds of the electorate, and if they're unhappy about anything, they'll vote the other way. That's how things work.

        1. Bones   12 years ago

          Rand Paul really might be the only one that can beat her, not because there aren't other candidates better than her but because he would get the libertarians (we know every Republican is a lock) and perhaps a fair portion of anti-war/anti-prohibition lefties. Perhaps.

          1. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

            Jesus, no one named Clinton or Bush, thank you. We have 310 million people--surely one of the hundred million or whatever eligible to run would be better.

      2. Raven Nation   12 years ago

        Or you could end up with something like the FDR era: Dems dominate for 20 years. Team Red gets elected by drawing closer to Team Blue positions but offering a vague alternative during some kind of crisis.

        1. grey   12 years ago

          But the fiscal crises is real. There will be some sort of pretend opposition party to the madness, the policies ,ay be only barely different, but red ea, can pretend to care about the free market.

      3. VG Zaytsev   12 years ago

        Naw, I think this really is the end for Team Red, barring a catastrophic faux pas by a Dem President.

        You mean like running around the country pushing gun control that no one outside of his bubble wants?

      4. Thomas O.   12 years ago

        "Who is going to go up against Hillary?"

        I say fight fire with fire. Nikki Haley.

  6. Episiarch   12 years ago

    Social conservatives are tedious beyond belief. They're like the gun grabbers; they've utterly, totally lost, but they will. Not. Stop. Trying. No matter how utterly and totally they've lost, they just keep clinging on.

    1. $park?   12 years ago

      So, they're bitter clingers?

      1. SugarFree   12 years ago

        Felching santorum has been a bitter experience for many.

        1. jesse.in.mb   12 years ago

          Out of all of your writings, that mental image has bothered me the most. Thank you SF for starting my week off with light mental anguish.

          1. SugarFree   12 years ago

            I eventually find everyone's point of light mental anguish. It means you are now one of us. Forever.

            1. Episiarch   12 years ago

              NutraSweet: the dominatrix of H&R. Now I want everyone to think of him dressed in a leather dominatrix outfit, and reach your point of light mental anguish for the day. jesse, you are exempt as you've already had yours, but you can do it if you want to, you masochist.

              1. SugarFree   12 years ago

                And to think I broke you, dear Epi, with nothing but a little scrotum torture and pictures of Warty's mother getting an artisanal mayo enema.

                1. Episiarch   12 years ago

                  You can't break that which is already broken.

                  1. SugarFree   12 years ago

                    I see that The Drowned God has gotten to Episiarch.

                    1. Episiarch   12 years ago

                      Well, I'm totally on TEAM GREYJOY if that's any indication of anything. Fuck those arrogant Starks!

                    2. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

                      Now you go too far.

                    3. Episiarch   12 years ago

                      Finally!

                    4. Anonymous Coward   12 years ago

                      Figures Episiarch would join the Team that claims raping Greenlanders as a lawful act.

                    5. SugarFree   12 years ago

                      He shall take you for a salt wife, AnonoCow.

                    6. Episiarch   12 years ago

                      I do not sew!

                    7. Warty   12 years ago

                      I know. Your clothes are in tatters, dude.

      2. ant1sthenes   12 years ago

        Sound more like zombies.

    2. SugarFree   12 years ago

      The stubborn dingleberries of politics.

      1. Episiarch   12 years ago

        Q: What do socons and the Enterprise have in common?

        A: They both circle Uranus looking for Klingons.

        Thank you, I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip NutraSweet.

    3. Almanian!   12 years ago

      The SOCONS are out there! They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are converted!

      1. AuH20   12 years ago

        But all they hear is, "who wants cake?" They all do. They all want cake.

      2. Rasilio   12 years ago

        The sad thing is this is entirely true.

        Their capacity for rationalization and circular logic is unmatched making any argument with them pointless.

        1. squarooticus   12 years ago

          Ever get into an argument with one about how evolution is a "theory" and not a "fact" or "law", and that means it's entirely conjecture? It almost makes me want to pull out a gun and end myself.

          1. Rasilio   12 years ago

            Pretty much every time I talk to my brother sadly.

            And if it is not evolution, it is some other idiotic SoCon nonsense.

    4. Gladstone   12 years ago

      Social conservatives are tedious beyond belief. They're like the gun grabbers; they've utterly, totally lost, but they will. Not. Stop. Trying. No matter how utterly and totally they've lost, they just keep clinging on.

      And the libertarians?

  7. John C. Randolph   12 years ago

    "If we do change, we'll be the Whig Party.

    That's a rather startling admission. So, he's coming right out and saying that the Republicans will become the "screw everybody for Wall Street's benefit" party?

    -jcr

    1. fish_remote   12 years ago

      .....will become the "screw everybody for Wall Street's benefit" party?

      Tense? Present....future??

      Hey...you...... Neidermeyer..... you already are the Whig party.

    2. Drake   12 years ago

      Leave it to the very dumbest guy in the GOP to utter such a ass-backwards statement.

      They are already the Whig Party.

    3. Francisco d Anconia   12 years ago

      "If we do change, we'll be the Whig Party....We're not the Libertarian Party, we're the Republican Party."

      Not for long...BITCH!

      The multi-generational Paul campaign to free the Republican party of idiots is slowly working. AND fuckers like Frothy are scaaaaaared.

  8. Brett L   12 years ago

    Guys, guys. Its Politico, which might as well be edited by the DNC. This is all just "let's you and him fight" stuff. Nobody in the Republican party gives a shit about what two washed up losers like Santorum and Huckabee say. For God's sakes, these are people who got beaten like kids mouthing off to cops by McCain and Romney.

  9. Hugh Akston   12 years ago

    Noting that the Republican "establishment" (not including himself, of course) looks like a herd "running to catch up with the trends" because "some polls show [same-sex marriage] is now 58% popular and five years ago it was only 43% popular" (yes, that's called an upward trend), Kristol lamented how some of the party's leaders believe it necessary to take on the "fashionable" position of being okay with gay marriage.

    COSMOTARIUNZZZZZZZZ!!!!!ONE!!1!!

    Did I do that right?

    1. SugarFree   12 years ago

      Needs moar food truck.

      1. Loki   12 years ago

        And COCKTAIL PARTIEZ!!!11!!!!1!!

  10. Don Mynack   12 years ago

    Santorum and Huckabee were terrible candidates who didn't even really challenge weak Repub nominees in McCain and Romney. Why should the party listen to them?

  11. Tim   12 years ago

    Reminds me of this (work safe) video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAvRBDQqSmY

  12. sarcasmic   12 years ago

    Didn't Dave Mustaine endorse Santorum?

    1. Episiarch   12 years ago

      Look, I love Dave's music, but I wouldn't eat at a burger joint he recommended let alone take two seconds to consider whoever he recommended voting for. Dave's sort of an asshole.

      1. Hugh Akston   12 years ago

        Dave's not here, man.

        1. Episiarch   12 years ago

          Dave sells, but who's buying?

      2. Loki   12 years ago

        Dave's not here man.

    2. tarran   12 years ago

      In his defense, I believe he was bombed out of his gourd at the time.

      1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

        Really? I thought it was the opposite, and that he found religion as part of a twelve step program.

        1. Zeb   12 years ago

          I think that's true. He just says shit because that's who he is.

        2. Apatheist ?_??   12 years ago

          Two sides of the same coin.

  13. CampingInYourPark   12 years ago

    One benefit of seeing Romney win the GOP primary was seeing these ass-hats lose. That's about the only one though.

  14. EDG reppin' LBC   12 years ago

    If the GOP was actually the party of limited government and fiscal responsibility, they would probably get my vote. I honestly don't get agitated about abortion or gay marriage and am willing to compromise with GOP establishment. But seeing as Team Red is is the "get your hands off my Social Security" party, I'll pretty much be voting L for the foreseeable future. They screwed the pooch.

    1. Virginian   12 years ago

      Exactly. I'd trade 40% cuts in government for stupid socon laws. They'll just be ignored by any big city.

      But that's not the deal. The shit sandwich is "We're going to grow the government at an (allegedly) slightly lower rate, and nose around in people's personal lives!"

    2. KPres   12 years ago

      Why? It's not their fault. Social Security polls incredibly well. This is a political party, they're in the business of winning.

      I swear I'll never understand the whole "vote your conscience" thing. Life is trade-offs. Like it or not, either a Rep or Dem is going to win, so I say talk your conscience and vote your strategy.

      That being said, leaving your vote out there to be had has some strategic justification, but not if it's because of Social Security. As long as the program's as popular as it is, no politician is going to oppose it just to get a few libertarian votes.

      The irony of this is that you're not really different than Santorum et al when you take that stance. Hanging your vote on an issue you can't win.

      1. $park?   12 years ago

        Like it or not, either a Rep or Dem is going to win, so I say talk your conscience and vote your strategy.

        One of them is going to win anyway so you might as well just pick one? How about if one of them is going to win anyway then they do it without my support or acceptance?

        1. KPres   12 years ago

          That implies that it doesn't matter which one wins. I didn't say that. One is always preferable to the other, even if that changes based on the situation.

          1. Calidissident   12 years ago

            Considering an individual vote isn't going to change who wins, that doesn't really matter

      2. EDG reppin' LBC   12 years ago

        That being said, leaving your vote out there to be had has some strategic justification, but not if it's because of Social Security.

        I guess I wasn't clear. It's not just SS. It's foreign aid, endless war, medicare, medicare part d, and every other program that Team Red decries, yet never really gets around to cutting. No, they decry these programs, and then increase them yearly, while adding new ones. They are no different than the Democrat party.

        1. KPres   12 years ago

          Of course they're different. There's never seen a Democrat budget proposal that was smaller than it's Republican counter-proposal. Literally never.

  15. Bradley Strider   12 years ago

    Bill Kristol is fucktrash.

  16. AlmightyJB   12 years ago

    *barf*

  17. Loki   12 years ago

    Does anyone actually give a shit about what Dicky Cum-farts or Mike Fuck-a-bee has to say about anything? Seriously, in what universe are these douche-nozzles even relevant? Oh wait, Politico, that's what universe. I forget sometimes that Politico actually inhabits a parallel universe where all Republicans are Cum-farts/ Fuck-a-bee style walking stereotypes, and Prog-tard policies actually succeed due to the magical power of good intentions.

    1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

      Well, duh! Take the most outrageous and outlandish things that a fringe candidate can spout, and everyone who doesn't agree with you agrees with them!

      No exceptions!

      1. Doctor Whom   12 years ago

        And yet the left whines about nutpicking.

    2. crazyfingers   12 years ago

      He said Fuckabees!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB9cj38WeCY

  18. Matrix   12 years ago

    So I see they are going with Einstein's theory of insanity--doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

    "If we keep pushing that conservatard crap, we'll eventually win!"

  19. B.P.   12 years ago

    Didn't Huckabee threaten the other day that the SoCons are going to walk if the GOP changes its tune on gay marriage? Who they're going to join with I don't know. This could get fun.

    Oh, and gout hurts.

    1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

      For years there has been talk of the GOP splitting into a Libertarian party and a Conservative party.

      Democrats of course are salivating at the prospect, because it means that with this government's "winner take all" system, with the opposition split in two they'll win almost every election.

      1. Eduard van Haalen   12 years ago

        But what if the Democrats split into a Principled Progressive party and a Droning-and-Police State party?

        That would split the leftist vote!

        Ha ha, just kidding, there's no real difference between these factions.

        1. Virginian   12 years ago

          There's a huge difference. See, Democrats are good and Republicans are evil. So the same action is good or evil depending on who performs it.

          You need to shed your false consciousness. All will be clear once you do.

          1. JWatts   12 years ago

            So the same action is good or evil depending on who performs it.

            You forgot the Mandatory Liberal talking point phrase "false dichotomy", which, in my experience, is used as an automatic mindless rebuttal, whenever that situation is pointed out.

            1. JWatts   12 years ago

              And of course that's not what false dichotomy actually means, but that apparently doesn't matter either.

      2. Rasilio   12 years ago

        This presumes that large factions of the current Democrat collective would not calve off and join one of the other two.

        I could easily see the "conservative" party being very attractive to rural blue collar union workers as well as anti abortion catholics, and the libertarian party would play very well among college students and immigrants.

        The current Democrat coalition is much stronger than the current Republican one, however if the Republicans actually did split that would not prevent portions of it from jumping ship to the new factions.

        If the Republicans really did split I could easily see it coming down to a 30(Democrat), 25(Conservative), 25(libertarianish). 20(undecided/other) split and staying that way for a couple of decades until the conservatives simply die out.

        1. Jake Badlands   12 years ago

          College students and immigrants love statist Democrats. What on earth makes you think they'll flock to some sort of Paulian Libertarianism?

          Some jackass college kid who wants to, like, make the world a better place is not going to vote for anything approaching laissez faire. Lowering people's taxes doesn't give you the same moral frisson as "investing in education" does.

    2. CE   12 years ago

      Huckabee will walk if the GOP changes it's tune? How soon can they change their tune?

      1. Francisco d Anconia   12 years ago

        Feature!

  20. OldMexican   12 years ago

    both seem to think the real reason the GOP lost two presidential elections in a row is because its candidates did not talk enough about the horrors of abortion and men kissing each other on the mouth.

    Well, he may be right in at least one way: The candidates the GOP decided to anoint did not show very much conviction on anything meaningful for anyone, which is why fewer conservatives came to the ballot box last time around.

  21. Raven Nation   12 years ago

    "did not show very much conviction on anything meaningful for anyone"

    Exactly. I'm still not sure what Romney's position on anything was other than vague, "less taxes, smaller government" assurances.

    1. cavalier973   12 years ago

      Romney was anti-free trade even in 2008, which is was a deal-killer for me.

  22. OldMexican   12 years ago

    What Santorum doesn't say, but Politico's other interviewees do, is that social conservatives don't find the small government message very convincing:
    "If we gave our voters an accurate portrayal of our ideas, that we want to cut the rate of growth on Social Security, give tax cuts to billionaires and then the values issues, the values issues would be more popular than the economic agenda of the current Republican Party," said Gary Bauer, citing particularly those Mass-attending Roman Catholics who have fled the Democrats.

    That only confirms what I've known for years and that Hans Hermann Hoppe had argued in his book "A Theory on Socialism and Capitalism": That so-called SoCons are nothing more than Progressives in "conservative" drag, just as keen on using the brunt instrument that is government, to get their favorite things imposed on all, like their brethren on the left of the political spectrum. They're all fascists to the core.

    1. Rights-Minimalist Autocrat   12 years ago

      If Dubya didn't convince everyone of that, then nothing will.

    2. tarran   12 years ago

      This shouldn't be surprising; I think it was Rothbard who traced the intellectual threads of Progressivism back to its roots in a movement of protestant Yankees who wished to create a kingdom of heaven on earth.

    3. VG Zaytsev   12 years ago

      That so-called SoCons are nothing more than Progressives in "conservative" drag, just as keen on using the brunt instrument that is government, to get their favorite things imposed on all, like their brethren on the left of the political spectrum.

      Yep.

      It'd be nice if the political deck reshuffled with a freedom party and a statist party. There's no doubt that the SoCons would be a faction of the statist party.

  23. Schultz   12 years ago

    Nobody denies reality like Santorum. I wonder if he considers a plane that's falling into a decline after losing its wings still flying.

    1. AlmightyJB   12 years ago

      One can only hope he'll learn the answer to that first hand.

  24. RightNut   12 years ago

    "Not only will those earn the contempt of people who believe in defending traditional marriage," he said, but they won't even get credit for hopping onto the bandwagon.

    He is right though, even though Obama only started supporting gay marriage last year, the Democrats will be given credit by the media for supporting gay marriage. For example, see civil rights and how most African Americans vote.

  25. Nite2332   12 years ago

    Of course this is coming from two unelected republicans. Let's see what the majority of newly elected repubs say.

  26. AlmightyJB   12 years ago

    I'm really wondering which institution people like Santorum and Huckabee will destroy first. The GOP or Christianity? If I cared about either (which I don't) I would be fighting these guys tooth and nail.

    1. The Immaculate Trouser   12 years ago

      Of the two, Christianity has shown enough resiliency that it will survive a couple of dumbasses.

      The GOP? I dunno.

  27. CE   12 years ago

    To paraphrase John Adams in 1776, "It's a revolution, dang it, we're going to have to offend someone."

  28. VG Zaytsev   12 years ago

    Look, the Republican Party isn't going to change,

    Says an ex-Senator that was blown out of office in a landslide and too big of a pussy to face Romney in a primary in 'his' state.

    Fuck Santorum.

  29. lap83   12 years ago

    Santorum is just an attention-starved politician. Most socons don't give a rat's ass about him. It's mainly the people who hate social conservatives that give him the attention he craves.

  30. cavalier973   12 years ago

    What Iap83 said.

    Huckabee is probably more strongly positioned to lead the SoCon wing, since he has a TV show and everything, and is a little more circumspect in dealing with people (although he may have changed over the years; I haven't listened to him in a while).

    Huckabee is the guy who changed my thinking on Iran. Four years ago, I was a frothing-at-the-mouth "Bomb-bomb-bomb; bomb-bomb Iran! HA! That's clever!" type person. Then I listened to his much-reviled speech where he called Bush "arrogant". In part of that speech, he said something along the lines of "When the Palestinians were cheering in the streets, the people of Iran held candlelight vigils in commiseration with the USA." For some reason, that struck home with me, and because I liked him, I was willing to listen to what he had to say.

  31. GILMORE   12 years ago

    "Look, the Republican Party isn't going to change," former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) tells Politico.

    ...

    he should have told them that! maybe they would have made him their presidential candidate instead of a freaking Mormon from Massachusetts

    Maybe he's right, though. Which is just one more reason to take it out back and shoot it in the back of the head

  32. Kurbster   12 years ago

    Santorum should get into the electronics warranty business...because every time I see his statist puke of a face on my screen, I want to put my fist through it

  33. Marc St. Stephen   12 years ago

    There's a reason that Huckabee's Fox News Show is broadcast circa 8PM on weekends - that's when people with a life are NOT watching TV.

  34. SumpTump   12 years ago

    This sounds like a pretty solid plan.

    http://www.GimmeAnon.tk

  35. Lincoln   12 years ago

    Please. You're not even the Republican Party, you are the Christian Party. . .

  36. Elfstone   12 years ago

    There is hope.

    As more and more of us Christians see what big government really does, less and less of us will listen to big government voices like Santorum and Bauer, Pat Robertson, Richard Land, Dr. James Dobson and others for that matter:

    They want a big government to push a theocratic social agenda, and Christians are waking up to that fact. More are saying no thanks to the monkey's paw - no deal.

    Theocracy is not what we are here for, for as long as Jesus is not yet here to rule the theocracy. Without Jesus, it is up to men to do it in place of God, which makes the theocracy arguably the worst, most vile form of tyranny.

    (Check out Islamic Shariah Law for a good sampling of what Christless, godless theocracy can be. However pronounced in God's name, theocracy without God is just another way for men to enslave other men.)

  37. jburkiewicz   12 years ago

    I can hear the people leaving the republican party everytime Santorum, Huckabee, or Kristol open their mouth. It's like a huge sucking sound. Please for god's sakes, go away and SHUT THE HELL UP!!!

  38. Lloyd Clucas   12 years ago

    It seems the Republican Party needs an exorcism -- think The Exorcist. Complete with the so-appropriate spinning head(s)... and the puke.

    Just understand that the Red states will turn Bluer during the necessary healing and recovery process. The noose has been too tight around the neck for too long. It is the process of overcoming any disease.

    Ronald Reagan put them on "hold". George W Bush got in bed with them. That must have been as stimulating as holding a Saudi's hand in public. He was the man that let all see what liberty we have lost. From fusion centers, to national security letters, to the TSA's continuing insults to the American people.

    Most of us hold little hope for the Republicans ("the opposition") and even less for the electoral chances of our own party. We have to just chip away at the fascistic edges of the empire -- whether it is R or D. Today it is D. Tomorrow...?

    In my 70s, I will pass away long before the good guys can win this one. But no one should stop trying -- to their last breath! The principles of human freedom on which this country was so awkwardly founded must not be abandoned. To do otherwise is to get washed up on the shores of the Mediterranean,where you will be shucked and served -- in a fine cream sauce.

    If that is what anyone wants, please expatriate -- now. They are more welcoming in Europe than we are to the very foreigners we so need, should want, and welcome with open arms.

  39. philmon   12 years ago

    I think most social conservatives I know would be content to live and let live. They'd just like to be allowed to believe that something they think is morally wrong is morally wrong and act accordingly. The resistance is not so much about making something legal (and frankly, just what *isn't* legal about two people of the same sex saying "I do" or kissing on the mouth? Nothing, as far as I can see) but rather the legal redefinition of a culturally significant word that means one thing to some people and rather more to others.

    When the word has been legally re-defined, it will be ... mark my words, used as a bludgeon against those who disagree, and say, might not want to bake a cake or rent out their bed and breakfast to a same-sex couple. Most social conservatives I know are far more tolerant than they are made out to be. There is, however, a difference between tolerance and acceptance and approval.

    I liked Rand Paul's suggestion. Strip Marriage out of the laws. Government has no place defining it in the first place. DOMA was an understandable but misguided attempt to keep those who are trying to force their definition on the entire culture from using the coercive power of government to do so.

    Republicans are simply making the wrong arguments.

  40. bassasaurusrex   12 years ago

    Yes, because listening to two guys who were ROUNDLY rejected by the GOP should be helping set policy for their party.
    Santorum is a fool. Gay marriage is a runaway train. Most Americans support it or don't give a damn about fighting it. It's such a dead issue.
    Abortion is an un-winable position by either side honestly. One the one hand you are supporting personal choice on the other side you are ending what is or will soon be a human life. It doesn't make sense to argue it on your platform.
    If the GOP was smart they would focus on small gov but they won't. They are no better than the DNC. The GOP would be lucky to be totally subsumed by the 'Rand Paul' wing of the party. They might start making some sense.

  41. Todd Gilbert   12 years ago

    When will people learn, the republican party is not the party of smaller government. They want to inter seed their moral agenda on everyone. They want big government meddling in everyone's life, so they can force their religious beliefs on everyone. When they have been in the white house or congress they have always been big spenders. They are having a fit about the sequester and that only cuts 2.5% of future spending and they act like the shy is falling. What do they want to cut. Not military,SS,medicare, medicare,drug benefits, dept.of ed. Cutting some welfare benefits is not going to balance the budget. I love all the people in flooded N.J. who say they want less government then have their hand out for fed. relief funds. Most citizens that call themselves republicans don't really want to cut anything either. Start going down a list and they say no to every cut.

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