Racism

Philadelphia Mayor: Talking About Race = 'Incitement'

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Hate crime! |||

Philadelphia, consistently one of the best city magazines in the country, has an anxiety-ridden cover piece out entitled "Being White in Philly." In it, author Robert Huber confesses to his physical sense of unease in crime-ridden neighborhoods, tries to coax a bunch of white Philadelphians to talk openly about race (very few do so directly), and comes up with inoffensive observations like this:

What gets examined publicly about race is generally one-dimensional, looked at almost exclusively from the perspective of people of color. Of course, it is black people who have faced generations of discrimination and who deal with it still. But our public discourse ignores the fact that race—particularly in a place like Philadelphia—is also an issue for white people. Though white people never talk about it.

Everyone might have a race story, but few whites risk the third-rail danger of speaking publicly about race, given the long, troubled history of race relations in this country and even more so in this city. Race is only talked about in a sanitized form, when it's talked about at all, with actual thoughts and feelings buried, which only ups the ante. Race remains the elephant in the room, even on the absurd level of who holds the door to enter a convenience store.

Read the whole thing for testimony from people trying to cope with a damaged modern city. Then sit back and wonder at Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter's attempt to stifle free speech, as transmitted in a letter about the article to the Philadelphia Human Rights Commission:

Fucking Nutter |||

While I fully recognize that constitutional protections afforded the press are intended to protect the media from censorship by the government, the First Amendment, like other constitutional rights, is not an unfettered right, and notwithstanding the First Amendment, a publisher has a duty to the public to exercise its role in a responsible way. I ask the Commission to evaluate whether the "speech" employed in this essay is not the reckless equivalent of "shouting 'fire!' in a crowded theater," its prejudiced, fact-challenged generalizations an incitement to extreme reaction.

Appreciate the scare-quotes there, Nutter.

UCLA First Amendment scholar Eugene Volokh responds:

The implication — which I think is very strong — that the "speech" is indeed unprotected by the First Amendment under the "incitement" exception is absolutely wrong: Under Brandenburg v. Ohio and Hess v. Indiana, the speech in the article is clearly protected. […] And it's quite troubling, I think, when a mayor (who has power over, among others, the Police Department) suggests that the expression of opinions that he disapproves of about race is constitutionally unprotected.

Read the rest of Volokh's critique here. And since we're on the 10th year anniversary of the Iraq War, let's  walk down memory lane when the pro-war types were misusing the dependably awful fire-in-a-theater analogy to complain about press coverage of Abu Ghraib.

UPDATE:

Rue Landau, the Human Relations Committee's executive director, agreed with the mayor's concerns regarding what she called, "the racial insensitivity and perpetuation of harmful stereotypes portrayed in the Philadelphia Magazine piece." […]

Tom McGrath, the magazine's editor, told Fox News he is very concerned that the government is investigating his publication.

"I find it chilling that he now wants to use the government to censor a news outlet," he said. "As a journalist – as someone who thinks free speech is really important – I find that really, really troubling."

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  1. I read the entire piece this morning. As a ghetto dweller, I highly recommend it.

    1. As a former ghetto dweller, I second that recommendation.

      I really don’t see what Hizzoner found so objectionable. I suppose some folks want to live their own imaginary worlds, and object when somebody accurately describes their actual environment.

    2. As a none ghetto dweller i read about 5 sentences then gave up.

      Boring white people who don’t know how to move away are boring.

      1. All they have to do is win the lottery, those boring white people.

      2. THIS IS WHAT STUPID PEOPLE ACTUALLY BELIEVE

  2. While I fully recognize that constitutional protections afforded the press are intended to protect the media from censorship by the government,

    No, you don’t.

    I ask the Commission to evaluate whether the “speech” employed in this essay is not the reckless equivalent of “shouting ‘fire!’ in a crowded theater,” its prejudiced, fact-challenged generalizations an incitement to extreme reaction.

    If you asked a first-year law student, you’d find out that there is nothing to evaluate.

    1. This. It’s like the gun-grabbers who say “I respect the 2A.”

      1. Everything after “..But,” is horse?shit.

      2. Said with the same level of honesty as “I’ll still respect you in the morning.”

    2. Yeah, anyone who starts a statement with “I fully respect X,” is, of course, saying “I hate X and I would get rid of it if I could.”

      1. You left off the ending “… for people I don’t like.”

      2. Like, I’m not a racist but…:)

  3. You know, it sort of seems like white people in these places are Alex DeLarge in the second part of A Clockwork Orange, where they’ve been conditioned out of being assholes, but no one was conditioned out of fucking with them for the past. But the Ludovico technique doesn’t stick…

  4. I love it when people make a “shouting ‘fire’ in a crowded theater” reference without knowing that they’re referencing a completely unconstitutional ruling from an authoritarian nazi scumbag.

    1. Three generations of Hughs are enough.

    2. Generally, people using that argument are authoritarian nazi scumbags, so it’s actually quite fitting.

    3. Or that it a lame analogy in the first place. Seriously, if some jackass yelled that in a theater and there was no evidence of smoke or fire, people would tell the shouter to fuck off.

        1. I hope Chris had a deathbed conversion. I really, really want to meet up with him one day. I miss his spirit already.

  5. I read the piece. Everything in it was incredibly obvious to any cracker who has ever lived in a city. So, is Nutter dumb enough to believe the shit he’s spewing, or does he just want to shut up some uppity whiteboys?

    1. The latter. That and he also doesn’t want anyone pointing out what a shithole people like him have turned Philadelphia into.

    2. Nutter knows very well there’s no way this is hate speech. He’s simply murmering the right comforting words so that both black and white can focus on the this as an idiotic “hate speech” issue rather than the real problems facing philly.

      1. Even if it’s hate speech it’s still protected by the 1st. Speech is only unprotected if it creates a clear and present danger to public safety and there is insufficient time to refute the speech before the danger occurs. “Incitement” requires an urging to commit a specific crime.

        1. What’s the other lefty canard? Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose, or some such bullshit… of course automatically equating your speech with assault.

        2. Tell that to Anwar al-Aulaqi.

          Under the Obama drone doctrine, mere speech is a drone-able offense if it is in support of Al-Qaeda, its affiliates, and related enemies of the US.

          1. The First Amendment doesn’t necessarily apply outside US jurisdiction.

            1. *squints*

              Well, it can. Will the US prosecute me, an American citizen for my speech if I’m outside the border?

              1. No, because you’re not in US jurisdiction and the US shouldn’t be able to prosecute you for things you do there at all. (yes I know this is not the case in practice)

            2. So, with a small amendment to the Obama drone doctrine, the First Amendment would allow the droning of Robert Huber if he took a vacation abroad?

              After all, he has been formally and officially accused of Human Rights Violations!

              1. Once any person leaves the US he’s in season under Obama’s drone policy.

                1. Funny how you should phrase it “in season”. Loose the hounds!

            3. The first amendment applies TO ALL LAWS passed by congress. What part of “shall make no law” is unclear to you?

    3. Everything in it was incredibly obvious to any cracker who has ever lived in a city.

      Nah, there are some who are too scared of race to even be that honest with themselves.

      1. There was one white lady in the article patting herself so hard on the back for her own tolerance, being a race relations pioneer by being one of the first parents in her clique to send her kids to a mostly black populated school, that I suspected she needed treatment for third degree burns after the author interviewed her.

        1. I’ve seen some white liberal women that were so over the top trying to be “down with the cause” so to speak and they came off so condescending and racist that it was hard to tell if the black people they were talking down to were embarrased for them or just wanted to bitch slap them. I’d have gone for the latter.

  6. I’m starting a secession campaign for Philadelphia. They really belong in New Jersey.

    So fucking sick of EBT mamas with little welfare-sucking piglets in tow at Walmart, with 50 items in the 20 items or less line, eating bags of chips before they pay for them, etc…. and it’s those people who are enabling Philly to slowly but surely take over the freedom-loving rest of the state.

    1. Where do you live Tulpa?

      1. the Burgh

        1. Tulpa, I just gained some respect for you. Go Stillers!

    2. Secession would imply that Philadelphia is trying to leave. We need a new word for when the rest of the state wants to kick them out.

      My recommendation is “sejection”, from the latin “to throw away” (as opposed to “secede”, which comes from the latin for “to move away”).

      1. Why not just admit that it had been conquered by invading barbarians, and retreat to defensible borders?

      2. I’m going to borrow that, if you don’t mind.

        On second thought, I’m going to use it whether you like it or not, so fuck off.

        1. Go right ahead; the entire point of a neologism is to get as many people to use it as possible.

      3. I’ve got you covered.

        Expulsion.

      4. Ethnic cleansing?

    3. I’m starting a secession campaign for Philadelphia. They really belong in New Jersey.

      I chuckled.

      Then I read the rest of your post, remembered your introductory line, and laughed even harder.

    4. Am I the only person who prefers Target to Walmart primarily on the basis of the other customers? I don’t what it is, but the people I see at Walmart always creep me out.

      1. I’m not really seeing a huge difference between Target and WalMart shoppers here in Honolulu.

        Some mighty hot women shopping both places here, BTW.

      2. Figures you would prefer the company of the bourgeosie to hood rats and poor white trash.

        Don’t forget to stock up on monocle polish next time you shop at Tar-zee.

        1. I don’t understand why you guys would mingle with the Plebs when amazon delivers directly to the servant who answers your door.

  7. That bloke’s a Nutter!

    1. Love the Alt_Text!

  8. “Of course, it is black people who have faced generations of discrimination and who deal with it still.”

    If by ‘deal with it still’ Huber means ‘constantly manufacture it’, then this sentence is absolutely correct.

    As for the mayor’s reaction, I cant say anything that Dr Whom did not already say. Well, except that Nutter is a perfectly apt name for this guy.

    1. I reread what I wrote and would like to retract part of it. It was an unfair generalization to say that black people constantly manufacture racist outrage. Many do, but not all. I personally know more than a few who are as colorblind as I am, and to whom individual character is just as important.

      The ones who do are so vocal, and seem like to many, that to the casual observer they seem to be a majority. I have no idea if they are or not.

      1. Yeah, I think it’s mainly the talking heads, DNC stooges, and “self-described” leaders. The vast majority of black people I know don’t play that shit altough I know there are some who do.

  9. The Mayor’s threats to quash free speech must present quite a conundrum to a progressive.

    Psyche! Not they don’t!

  10. He was just trying to be a good guy by proving their point for them.

  11. I do think there’s a cultural issue here. When I (very briefly) did tutoring when I first finished up college & the army and moved back home, I was told, in these exact words, by one young under-achieving pupil that, “books are for white people.” There was literally a cultural stigma attached to being well-read or well-spoken, because it was considered to be “selling out” by acting white.

    1. Oh, well, then.

      It’s a cultural issue.

      1. I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic, but I did use the words, I and think to indicate that this is just my opinion based on what I’ve seen, not a declaration of unalterable truth.

        1. I wasn’t being mean to you. Your point is well taken.

          My intent was to emphasize the “cultural” aspect — as in diversity, all cultures are to be respected, all are equal, there’s nothing to be done about it.

        2. Gojira, you are correct, it is a cultural issue. You avoided the unfair generalization that I made in my previous post.

          I have had that very same thing said to me in exactly those words. Books are for white people. I had no idea how to respond to that, or how to overcome such boneheaded ignorance. I was young, tutoring also, and at a complete loss as to how to deal with it.

          1. Everyone knows books are for nerds. I don’t know how race could even come into this conversation.

          2. I had no idea how to respond to that

            Well unless you want money to be for white people too, you better start reading some.

            1. Well unless you want money to be for white people too, you better start reading some.

              What books does one need to read to be a drug dealer, pimp, and/or hip-hop artist?

              Unfortunately, the concept of “hustlin'” is widespread in ghetto culture.

              1. A bit of reading might convince an aspiring drug dealer that getting shot up for less than minimum wage is a stupid career choice.

                Dunno what you might say to the aspiring pimp.

                Most hip-hop artists who cut their first album seem to have some regret about not learning about finance or how lawyers can screw you over with the fine print.

                  1. I was hoping that would lead to Miles Davis’ autobiography. Or was it the bio from Stanley Crouch where that was covered?

              2. What books does one need to read to be a drug dealer, pimp, and/or hip-hop artist?

                Well, there’s always this sacred text:

                You know you sayin’, they drivin’ around in hot cars,
                You know you sayin’, they got bitches, they got all that shit

                You know what I’m sayin’, I’m still livin’ with my moms
                You know what I’m sayin’, that’s my word
                You know you saying, I’m makin’ records, I ain’t made no money yet
                I done made–this is my fourth album yo, this my fourth album
                I ain’t made a dime yet

                  1. Awwwwwww [twerk]

          3. I have had that very same thing said to me in exactly those words. Books are for white people. I had no idea how to respond to that, or how to overcome such boneheaded ignorance.

            Try “Books are for people who don’t care to be poor, or say ignorant things like what you just said.”

            1. Make them read Frederick Douglass’ memoirs.

            2. All of the good recomendations that y’all have given me did occur to me at the time, but this was a 300lb NSU linebacker on a scholarship who was functionally illiterate and had a permanent hate-everything-about-whitey scowl on his face. He regarded me with complete contempt.

              I ended up suggesting he be tutored by someone else.

              1. No one had posted this yet?

                C’mon son!

                1. I was sorely tempted to, but wanted somebody else to do it. Thank you.

                  1. That’s what I’m here for.

                    1. For now. Mike Nutter’s Sensitivity Gestapo is on its way to cart you off to your reeducation facility.

    2. Sure there is. And liberals helped create that. If you are raised to believe the whole world is racist and out to get you, playing along by trying seems pretty stupid doesn’t it?

    3. I have a black neighbor just finishing up high school. He gets good grades, studies hard and has earned scholarships for college. He is very well-spoken and I have never heard him swear. His family moved here from Chicago so he and his little brother could get a good education. Everyone knows this guy is going to succeed in life. He recently showed me a Shepard Fairey book (yeah, I know), but it contained the image of a cop saying, “I’m gonna kick your ass. And get away with it.” Great kid, so he’ll likely get randomly shot.

      1. “Great kid, so he’ll likely get randomly shot.”
        Or thrown in the clink for carrying exactly the same amount of dope the white kid next to him.
        The white kid, BTW will get rehab.

        1. Less than the amount of dope our sitting president used to smoke in an afternoon.

        2. He does not use drugs. Hates them, as is his right.

          1. “He does not use drugs. Hates them, as is his right.”
            No matter; they’ll plant some on him.

    4. It’s a mess.

      For a long, long, long time white people forced black people to stay among their own kind, and being smart and well-read really did make little difference for a black person.

      Then the CRM came along, and the black political elites found themselves in a situation where the dispersion of blacks among the population would reduce their power.

      The problem, ultimately, is that WEB DuBois beat Booker T Washington for the hearts and minds of the black community.

      1. WEB DuBois = acquisition by political means

        Booker T Washington = acquisition by economic means

        General prosperity is only possible by economic means in the long term.

    5. Ah, you talk like a fag, and your shit’s all retarded. What I’d do, is just like… ha ha… like… aha… you know, like, you know what I mean, like… haha…

      Why you keep trying to read that word? You a fag?

      1. Don’t worry scro’! There are plenty of ‘tards out there living really kick ass lives. My first wife was ‘tarded. She’s a pilot now.

    6. My son is friends with two kids whose parents are recent immigrants from Mexico, and every time those kids come to our house, they marvel at the fact that we have books in our home. “Why do you have so many books?”

      I can’t really say if it’s because they’re from Mexico or because they are Jehovah’s Witnesses, though.

      1. I can’t really say if it’s because they’re from Mexico or because they are Jehovah’s Witnesses, though.

        Maybe they own Kindles or other competing E-readers.

        1. That’s funny. They’re like freakin’ luddite.

    7. “books are for white people.” There was literally a cultural stigma attached to being well-read or well-spoken, because it was considered to be “selling out” by acting white.

      Unfortunately, too many black people think like this. In a sane world, anyone who voiced such a sentiment would be roundly mocked and dismissed. In our world, it’s called “keepin’ it real.”

      1. Late to the discussion, but you know what the perfect response is to ‘books are for white people.’

        ‘Yes they are, and don’t forget your place.’

        He will have a library card before the day is out.

        1. I love it.

  12. Everyone might have a race story, but few whites risk the third-rail danger of speaking publicly about race, given the long, troubled history of race relations in this country and even more so in this city.

    What’s he going on about? White people won’t shut UP about race! Do you think you can turn on NPR (white people!) and go 15 minutes without a discussion about race?

    Do you think you can read any major left coast newspaper and go 500 words without someone talking about race?

    Oooh! Oooh! Random finger-plant in the middle of the phonebook. What’d I point to?

    http://blogs.seattletimes.com/…..lchildren/

    1. I think he means honest discussion, not formulaic respectable claptrap.

    2. White people can’t shut up about race, but only in the sense that they’re constantly trying to show how empathetic they are and how much they care.

      What’s forbidden is talking about your own personal experiences as a white person dealing with race.

      Because privilege, so stfu.

    3. Those people are part of the problem they are discussing.

      1. They’re just having one of those “conversations about ____” things. You know? When they right people, say the right things and you STFU redneck.

        1. That’s exactly right. The people who always claim to want a “conversation” want no such thing and would be mortified if they ever found themself in a real conversation. I What they want is a lecture where they list their greivences and sad experiences and expect everyone else to grovel and apoligize even though they nothing to do with it. Is that a conversation? It’s all bullshit.

  13. And another thing.

    When is that coward Eric Holder going to go to knock Nutter upside da haid for dissing Philadelphia‘s “national conversation”?

    /Ebonics

    1. Holding….my……….breath….

    2. The Assassination of Anwar al-Awlaki by the Coward Eric Holder* **

      *NYT article did mention him as a member of the star chamber that met of Tuesday afternoons.

      ** Second time today I have noticed there to be a push for an alternative spelling of his name, ‘al-Aulaqi’ in this case. The last time I did a Google search just over a month ago, that alternative was nowhere to be found, or I would have noted it. Hmmmm.

  14. is not the reckless equivalent of “shouting ‘fire!’ in a crowded theater,”

    Oh, and DRINK!

  15. the First Amendment, like other constitutional rights, is not an unfettered right

    Is it still protected enough for me to say “Fuck you, you fascist asshole?”. I’m just asking. I’m not actually saying it right now. I’m just asking if it would be OK if I did say that.

    Also, are they any government powers that are fettered? Just curious.

    1. Death threats are speech. Ditto for perjury.

      Nutter wants more fetters than I do, but reality is that there need to be exceptions or the justice system and society in general fall apart.

      1. Death threats are just speech, evil and retarded, but still speech.

        Perjury is fraud.

  16. Connor Friedersdorf had a good piece on this in The Atlantic.

    1. You should have linked to it instead, then.

      1. Not sure what you disagree with, but I think his main point is right: the premise is interesting, the article had potential, but the execution wasn’t much to write home about. That doesn’t make it offensive, but it means it could have been a lot better.

        1. I didn’t think the execution was good either, but Connor’s criticism are retarded.

          Why is the recent immigrant from Moscow treated as if her dearth of context or experience in the city makes her a more credible source? [She isn’t] How would relatively shallow interviews with sources in a narrow swath of the city get us reliably to what being white in Philly is like? [How could any 4 page article do that?] Why write that all the race stories are utterly unique when some of them verge on banal stereotypes? [nonsensical] Wouldn’t we get more complex portraits if the interviewer had pressed his subjects more? [I don’t see any obvious reasons why more complex portraits is preferable to having more subjects.]
          Finally, if the premise was that frankly airing white views is helpful, shouldn’t the conclusion explain how airing the views of these interview subjects might help? [It does].

          1. Meh, I think the general point that more, deeper interviews would have been better is true. It comes off as being less about the city, more about one neighborhood, and really only relates a few sentences or a single anecdote from each of a few people.

            1. Maybe he’ll write a book about it then. What he did was perfectly consistent with a 4-page article.

              The thing is that Friesdorf isn’t saying he likes what Huber did but wants more. He’s thrashing about trying to find a reason to criticize the article.

              1. Maybe the point is that if that’s really what you wanted to execute, a four-page article can’t do it.

                But frankly I didn’t think the Freidersdorf piece was that critical. It seemed mostly chill to me.t

              2. That is his preferred M.O.

            2. There’s space limitations. If the portraits are more complex, then necessarily there must be fewer subjects.

          2. Yeah, one gets the sense that Friesdorf felt he had to criticize the article somehow, and needed to have at least a cloak of rationality unlike Nutter.

            1. Yes, this. He writes for the Atlantic and writes what his audience needs/expects to relect back the appropriate level of “I’m a reader of the Atlantic-ism”.

          3. Why is the recent immigrant from Moscow treated as if her dearth of context or experience in the city makes her a more credible source?

            Yeah, because heaven knows you never gain any insight about a place from the opinions of people who have moved there from some place very different.

      2. That would be impossible.Connor Friedersdorf never has a “good piece” about anything.

  17. …”a publisher has a duty to the public to exercise its role in a responsible way.”

    A publisher has no such duty, you ignorant sack of shit.

    1. exercise its role in a responsible way

      What does that even mean?

      Be like Larry Flynt?

      1. To this asshole, it means he gets to proof the copy before it goes to press.

    2. But a mayor certainly does.

  18. Gojira is correct. Black ghetto culture has made being stupid a status symbol. Listen to most black athletes or entertainers, or my black co-workers. The Asians made me see the truth. Many of them graduate high school and college at the tops of their classes, with English being their second language. Effort and self discipline will always succeed.

      1. Black ghetto culture has made being stupid a status symbol.

        You are a racist because what you call “being stupid” is *in reality* the exact opposite of that.

    1. dat’s racist.

    2. Concerned Citizen| 3.18.13 @ 5:48PM |#
      “Gojira is correct. Black ghetto culture has made being stupid a status symbol. Listen to most black athletes or entertainers, or my black co-workers.”

      I see it as every bit as common as the thug-biker culture in white folks. It’s certainly there, and you hear a lot about it since the ones that don’t follow it get little press.

      1. Yes, they decide that they’re going to be a low life, they’re going to be the lowest life possible and gain respect from fellow low lifes. And no, I am not racist. I do have a problem with the ones who choose to reproduce with no thought of affording children or raising them, just to get some of my paycheck. Then their offspring become professional thugs. Fuck them and the liberals who arrange their financing.

        1. That looks like the movie “Idiocracy”. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/

      2. The difference is that white thug-biker culture is rarely celebrated or even defended by other whites, and is not held up by anyone as emblematic of “real whiteness.”

      3. Thug-biker culture?

    3. One of the cardinal rules of talking about education is that it is forbidden to mention Asians.

      1. Yeah, Thomas Sowell has often made this point; Asians screw up all the averages & arguments.

    4. The Asians made me see the truth. Many of them graduate high school and college at the tops of their classes, with English being their second language. Effort and self discipline will always succeed.

      First of all, the celebration of willful ignorance as a means of maintaining one’s cultural identity is not unique to any particular race or nationality. Everyone has their embarrassing sub-cultures and class identifications.

      Second, despite Han propaganda to the contrary, the Chinese are not ubermensch. There are plenty of fuck-ups, failures, groveling, sniveling, cowardly, underachieving and criminal Chinese in the world. The difference is, the Chinese don’t talk about it. They don’t even like to admit they exist.

      1. The difference is, the Chinese don’t talk about it. They don’t even like to admit they exist.

        Really? If they didn’t, Andy Lau wouldn’t have had a career.

        1. You might as well add Chow Yun Fat. And Hong Kong gangster films are about as realistic a portrayal of Triads as the Godfather is about La Cosa Nostra.

          Somehow, the heroic bloodshed genre tends to omit or gloss over the whole unpleasantness about drugging women and enslaving them in brothels en masse.

          1. True. Though I can think of some Triad films that do a good job of criticizing the romanticizing of Triads; Jiang Hu and the Infernal Affairs series come to mind.

            1. Infernal Affairs is one of my favorite movies. That hack remake they did in the US totally pissed me off.

              1. Indeed.

                Fuck Boston.

  19. Progressives have a winning strategy: subsidize the very cultures they proclaim to abhor. It works because by not working, it allows for endless scapegoating.

  20. Well, given that it’s December, I think so. But his message is clear: Bad idea, this neighborhood. A lot of burglaries and robberies. Temple students are prime prey, the cop says.

    Well, yeah.

  21. “Fact-challenged.” People need to stop with these awful buzzwords. Fact-challenged, reality-based and something like 90% of the use of the word “science.” Merely saying an argument has empirical relevance or support does not, in fact, make it so. And this kind of insipid shorthand in particular is infuriating.

  22. I’m surprised Nutter had time to read the article what with him having to get ready to testify about Trevon Martin’s assassination.
    Bill Cosby should come back to Philly and kick Nutter’s ass and everyone else who plays the race card when a white man wants to talk about race relations in this city.

    1. That would be nice…. except I remember when Bill fell for the Twana Brawley hoax. That was a painful lesson in human nature. I kinda had the notion as a kid that he was beyond human failing, having learned so many lessons on prejudice and honor from his Cosby kids. That lesson was underlined later by The Cosby show, which confirmed my a-priori notion that people are just people and race is unimportant.

      The day he lined up behind Al Sharpton was the day I learned the rest of the lesson… people are just people, and they all have prejudices that can be played upon.

  23. The morning after he moved in three and a half years ago, Paul says, he came out to the alley, and a young black kid?12 or 13?was standing there.

    “Hey, what’s up?” the kid said, like they were friends. “You go to college?”

    “No, I graduated.”

    “Still have some friends in college?”

    “A few.”

    “You want some OCs?” Oxycontin. “Your friends want some?”

    Paul told him no. The kid moved on down the alley.

    I ask Paul if that gave him pause, whether he thought he’d moved to the wrong neighborhood.

    Reading between the lines here. The kid knew his audience. White, privileged college kids come to the neighborhood and are a reliable market for drug dealers.

  24. My favorite extended “frank talk about race” in Big Local Media was an AJC editor who wrote “reparations aren’t enough, I want to see Miss Elizabeth scrub floors for a few generations”*

    *a paraphrase. I can’t find a free archive of the piece

  25. Dude so who comes up with all that crazy stuff.

    http://www.WebAnon.da.bz

    1. Mayor Nutter, did you not read the article, anonybot?!

  26. Nutter is orders of magnitude better than our previous mayor… Can we talk about how he’s been successfully standing up to the public employee unions?

  27. Your “read the whole thing” link isn’t to the whole thing, but the first of four pages. And there doesn’t seem to be a link on their site to a single-page version of it. Fuckers.

    Oh, and they’ve got fucking Disqus comments too.

    1. What’s wrong with Disqus comments?

      1. Don’t load more times than not in a Firefox browser.

        1. One of the few things that’s a worse memory hog than H&R, too.

  28. Various journo types in Philly have blasted the article as “racist,” but none of them (AFAICT) actually says what it is about the article that’s racist. For the life of me, I can’t see what’s racist about the article. Sure, some of the people quoted said racist things, but Huber is very clear about the distinction between his opinions and those of the people he quotes.

  29. Reading whites ponder the thoughts and issues that plague and bedevil blacks in America always amuses me – Libertarians seem to think they have all the answers when in truth you are about as annoying and clueless as most liberal democrats and the brain dead God saves all his children GOP. The exact same issues with government that whites have plague blacks as well only its amplified because blacks sadly drank the “civil rights” koolaid and accepted the “help” from liberal whites etc etc – Next time you want real insight made you should be straight up and stop hiding behind “they only want me to feel guilty” and actually research and dig for real answers not bullshit

    1. Who exactly are you addressing?

    2. blacks sadly drank the “civil rights” koolaid and accepted the “help” from liberal whites etc etc

      All Blacks? No. The problem was, and in some ways continues to be, is that the community leaders and intellectuals who were seen as having some success in enfranchising the Black community, MLK, Malcom X, the Black Panther Party, etc. were all some flavor of socialist.

    3. I don’t think you actually know what we believe. We’re well aware of the disproportionate impact that things like the Drug War, the Federal Reserve, and the regulatory state, and the War on Poverty – all things that we oppose – have had on the nation’s poorest.

      1. Minimum wage laws = more unemployment for poor blacks.

    4. Next time you want real insight made you should be straight up and stop hiding behind “they only want me to feel guilty” and actually research and dig for real answers not bullshit

      That kind of makes me feel guilty. Was that your intent?

      Personally, I’m not looking to solve anyone’s problems. Fuck the servile. Fuck the weak. Fuck those who allow themselves to be pushed around. If you were ever oppressed its only because you could be.

      So, how is that for hiding, eh?

    5. That is the most retarded thing I have read on here in a couple of days.

      You have no idea what libertarians think, much less what we stand for.

      1. If he did, he’d know emotional blackmail doesn’t work with us, but that is likely the only weapon in his pathetic arsenal.

  30. Prof. Volokh- doing God’s work as always.

    Can we please put the (falsely) yelling fire in a crowded theatre thing to rest? Few realize that it was used in a SCOTUS case (Schenck) *since* superseded by Brandenburg (which Prof. Volokh references) and it was used to justify prosecuting a war protester. Iow, when libs bring it up, they are tacitly admitting that protesting WWII is the equivalent of yelling “fire” in a crowded theatre. And yes, back in the day, people were trampled in such incidents when there was a mad rush to get the heck out of a wooden tinderbox.

    It is horrible and chilling what this Philly mayor has done.

    1. The progs will just blink and say “but the Supreme Court…”

  31. As Sowell and others have pointed out, there is MASSIVE disparity in out of wedlock birth rates between different groups, and there are few more accurate predictors of future social pathology than OOW birth rates. Mentioning the horrible OOW birth rate amongst blacks immediately gets cries of “racism”. Heck, look at the Jezebel reaction to the article trying to shame teen mothers into thinking twice before plopping out kids in their teens and single.

    1. I’ve read that if you correct for OOW births, the disparity in black and white crime rates disappears.

      1. Why do you hate women?

      2. Why do you hate children?

    2. there are few more accurate predictors of future social pathology than OOW birth rates.

      Most OOW births are themselves a social pathology, so I don’t know how much predicting their doing. Also it’s clear from adoption studies that being raised by a single middle class mother isn’t harmful.

    3. A big driver of the OOW births is how you guys keep locking up a significant percentage of the black men.

      1. Who is “you guys”?

        I work for an insurance company – we cannot lock anyone up …unless it is locking you into a really good policy rate, contact your broker today!

        1. I think he was referring to Dunphy/cops.

    4. causation != correlation

      There are plenty of unmarried couples that raise children together; getting a piece of paper from the state is highly unlikely to affect child development.

  32. Of course, it is black people who have faced generations of discrimination and who deal with it still.

    And paranoids still have to deal with their enemies.

  33. While I fully recognize that constitutional protections afforded the press are intended to protect the media from censorship by the government, the…

    I’m not racist, but

  34. Fuck you Mr. Mayor. The words “Congress shall make no law” means just that. There should be no limits on freedom of speech. Period. End of discussion.

    1. Fuck you, racist Libertarian Child, I’m the Mayor of Philafuckingdelphia, I don’t have to follow a 100 year old rag written by slavers.

      /Nutter

    2. Ah, but this is not Congress making a law, it is Gauleiter Nutter barking out a command.

      A different matter entirely.

  35. Attorney General Holder once declared that we are a nation too cowardly to have a discussion on matters of race.

    And His Honor Mayor Nutter has demonstrated exactly why this is so.

    1. Yeah… Nutter kind of proves the writers point for him.

      Nutter has us on notice. We better watch what we say from now on.

  36. TIL that the current mayor of Philly has a smug, punchable face just like the Mad Bomber and that crook from the 70s.. What was his name, “ratso” or something like that?

    -jcr

  37. Where’s Frank Rizzo when you need him?

  38. And with that statement; Nutter has guaranteed 100%+ turnout is some Philly districts next Mayoral election.

    1. is=in

  39. First, Nutter is absolutely wrong and helps answer the piece’s question “Am I allowed to say that?”

    Here’s this: “[I]n the summer of 1964 . . . racial unrest flared in North Philadelphia, largely over brutality against blacks by white cops. Hundreds were injured or arrested, and more than 200 stores in North Philly were damaged or destroyed in three days of rioting, with many never reopening.”

    A similar thing happened in my own city–which now has a black ghetto–in one of the worst race riots in this country’s history. Prior to the slaughter, which was brushed under the historical rug for decades, we had one of the wealthiest black populations in the country. So you have to understand that the poor social metrics and circumstances of blacks in this country exist in the context of a history of them having their livelihoods stolen from them by whites.

    It’s either that or the racists are right, and there’s something inherently wrong with black people. (Which doesn’t make the case that we should continue blocking their upward mobility or ignoring their problems, of course.)

    A 7-year-old selling drugs is not a moral failure. He’s a child. The social factors that led to that circumstance is the moral failing. As much as blacks commit more crime, they are also the victims. I don’t think there’s a problem with white people talking about race. The problem is when white people who feel the need to be racially sensitive think that that makes them just as much victims.

    1. White Government Tony. The majority of the problem has been government, not people. Ie: fucktard police and congress critters.

      1. What a stupid claim. So government agents aren’t people, or do violent racists tend to take government jobs?

        1. People who enjoy coercing others tend to take govt jobs, since it’s the only legal job that pays them to do so.

    2. That 7-year-old selling drugs is an entrepreneur. He’s probably got more business sense than half the idiots running Fortune 500 companies right now.

      He shouldn’t have to risk the violence inherent in a prohibition scheme.

      1. If it weren’t for prohibition, he wouldn’t have an opportunity because big business would take over pot distribution.

  40. One guy on Breitbart.com nicknamed Mayor Nutter as Mayor Nut Case. O_o
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-J…..-834990328

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