All the Laughter Dies In #MuslimRage
Newsweek shows why it's the second-place newsweekly that wiped the floor with U.S. News & World Report by running a provocative Ayaan Hirsi Ali cover story entitled "The Last Gasp of Islamic Hate" and featuring a pretty garish cover under the title "MUSLIM RAGE."
It's not exactly a subtly nuanced piece, but it does find the often fiery Ali in a reflective mood. Although the widespread violence ostensibly directed at the trailer for the film Innocence of Muslims is a dismaying step backward after 2011's democratic movements around the Arab world, Ali writes that things will sort themselves out over the long term, as "Islamists…curtail the freedoms of those who elected them and fail to improve their economic conditions." From there, Ali writes, you might start to see sadder but wiser populations around the Islamic world:
After the disillusion and bitterness will come a painful lesson: that it is foolish to derive laws for human affairs from gods and prophets. Just like the Iranian people have begun to, the Egyptians, Tunisians, Libyans, and perhaps Syrians and others will come to this realization. In one or two or three decades we will see the masses in these countries take to the streets—and perhaps call for American help—to liberate them from the governments they elected. This process will be faster in some places than others, but in all of them it will be bloody and painful. If we take the long view, America and other Western countries can help make this happen in the same way we helped bring about the demise of the former Soviet Union.
We must be patient. America needs to empower those individuals and groups who are already disenchanted with political Islam by helping find and develop an alternative. At the heart of that alternative are the ideals of the rule of law and freedom of thought, worship, and expression. For these values there can and should be no apologies, no groveling, no hesitation.
Ali brought a little more fire and brimstone to this 2007 Reason interview:
I think that we are at war with Islam. And there's no middle ground in wars. Islam can be defeated in many ways. For starters, you stop the spread of the ideology itself; at present, there are native Westerners converting to Islam, and they're the most fanatical sometimes. There is infiltration of Islam in the schools and universities of the West. You stop that. You stop the symbol burning and the effigy burning, and you look them in the eye and flex your muscles and you say, "This is a warning. We won't accept this anymore." There comes a moment when you crush your enemy.
It turns out, however, that this is one story readers are choosing to judge by its cover. Newsweek tried to flog the story with a Twitter hashtag #MuslimRage, but that meme got overrun faster than a U.S. embassy during a 9/11 anniversary bash. The #MuslimRage tag has been getting lightning updates from critics looking to make fun of the concept. Some pundits are applauding the humorous expropriation of a reductive concept, though I have to say the generally lame gags indicate why the Jewish monopoly on comedy isn't in much danger of being broken. Examples:
Oh you wear a niqab? Your a TERRORIST ! #MuslimRage
"A new column by Thomas Friedman" #muslimrage
…being called an extremist because you believe Khilafah is the only solution to the Ummahs problems. #MuslimRage
MUSLIMHULK RAGE AGAINST RAGE STEREOTYPES RT @alexhanna: I wonder what @MuslimHulk thinks about #MuslimRage
#MuslimRage - To be considered an authority in the West on everything Islam, just criticize Islam esp. on how it "oppresses" women. #fact
Not wearing a hijab #MuslimRage
When the staff at Subway touch the veggie patty after handling some ham #MuslimRage
Hijab pin comes undone due to the wind #muslimrage
75% of the #MuslimRage tags are indignant remarks at @newsweek. The other 25% are hummus jokes. W2G dying old media.
fucking bacon bits? #MuslimRage
"@dotfuz: Breakdancing hijabis at the local shisha place. #muslimrage" Lolz
Thinking only Arabs are Muslims #MuslimRage
Question why does the #US want to attack #Iran if Iran hasn't attacked a foreign country since 1798. #MuslimRage
Hearing a non-Arab say "wallahi" cos they think they sound cool … #MuslimRage
#MuslimRage Sleeveless Girls. Yes
Having the perfect outfit and no matching hijab forcing you to make yourself believe that black goes with everything #MuslimRage
"@BeardedBrosINC: Sisters wearing 3cms of make up on meetings and turning out to be Freddy Krueger after marriage #MuslimRage" LOOL!!!!!
The real weakness of #MuslimRage, and of the U.S. government's pathetic, censorious response, is that they posit such an implausible scenario. Right now the Innocence of Muslims trailer has about 3 percent as many views as David After Dentist. The movie itself may or may not exist. Yet we're supposed to believe that this is the cause of a series of seemingly well coordinated attacks, including rocket attacks, over a three-million-square-mile area, which just happened to begin on September 11 and for which Ayman al-Zawahiri's brother has tried to claim partial credit? To believe that one you'd need to have stronger faith in virality than the average al Qaeda member has in the Quran.
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Uhm, haven't we "helped" enough already?
...America and other Western countries can help make this happen in the same way we helped bring about the demise of the former Soviet Union.
Blue jeans and arms races solve everything.
For these values there can and should be no apologies, no groveling, no hesitation.
I don't think fearless leader agrees with that assessment.
Hashtags suck and are unAmerican. #DeathtoHashtags
Is that irony? Are you some kind of hipster?!!
I saw artisan mayo on the corner of 'is shirt!!!!
That guy is a spitting image of Achmed the Dead Terrorist.
That obscure internet alt-text is almost as provocative as the film.
What do y'all think of the dragging video of the Ambassador.
Apparently those people were trying to help save the Ambassador.
So they spontaneously showed up in anger at the embassy over the film. Some protesters with RPGs attacked the consulate. Then some other protesters once the fighting stopped, went to see if they could save the people they had come to the embassy to protest in anger?
I'm so confused.
I'm not claiming to know what happened, but it is not inconceivable that people might be pissed off enough to protest, yet not so pissed off that they wish death on everyone inside the building that they are focusing their anger on.
That sounds unlikely. Recall when the gays slaughtered all of thos people at Chick-fil-A and then didn't do anything to help the victims. It's just human nature, really.
"Then some other protesters once the fighting stopped, went to see if they could save the people they had come to the embassy to protest in anger?"
If you're talking about the video of someone being pulled out of a building I don't know if it's authentic or not, but unless cheering is now considered "helping" I don't see a lot of "helping" going on.
This hummus needs more garlic #MuslimRage
The Jewish seamstress cut me wrong #MuslinRage
I see what you did there.
They're showing "Don't Mess With The Zohan" again on TV #MuslimRage
Is that goat spit on your husband's shirt collar? #MuslimRage
Sallah should have been main character in Raiders of the Lost Ark. #MuslimRage
"There can be only one", and the "one" wasn't Muslim #MuslimRage
Nice, Newsweek. You've even given Gawker a chance to make fun of you.
Gawker, for Christ's sake, which has the political knowledge of Zooey Deschanel.
Zoe is adorable. You leave her alone!!
Yep. She's a human beanie baby, the rare kind.
I think of her more as like that blond hippy muppet, but with dark hair. #MuslimRage
Muppets are into fisting.
#muslimrage
Of course she a stupid shallow hipster. But she is so damned cute. She is like that girl who sings for Pomplamoose. Sure her band sucks and has a three note vocal range. But I love the little hipster girl anyway.
I'm just sayin' she looks like that blind hippy Muppet, except with dark hair. #MuppetRage
"blind"? That's even better. ALso, "blond".
all muppets are blind, silly.
Somebody has to find Zooey Deschanel adorable. She works really, really hard to make that affectation work.
Of course she tries hard. But that just makes her even more adorable.
Its not up to our government to curtail the rise of Islam as laudable as that idea is.
Who said it was?
Ali in Reason:
For starters, you stop the spread of the ideology itself; at present, there are native Westerners converting to Islam, and they're the most fanatical sometimes. There is infiltration of Islam in the schools and universities of the West. You stop that. You stop the symbol burning and the effigy burning, and you look them in the eye and flex your muscles and you say, "This is a warning. We won't accept this anymore." There comes a moment when you crush your enemy.
You may interpret differently.
Yes, it is. As it is a direct threat to the US and it's taxpayers, whom they have taken an oath to protect.
"Innocence of Muslims trailer has about 3 percent as many views as David After Dentist." Well, then #MuslimRage
Does anybody else long for the simpler times of the "Ground Zero Mosque" and "Gay Marriage" threads?
Seriously, these terrorist assholes are fucking up my threads.
*raises hand*
/mosquerbating
Oh the GZ mosque... Those were the glory days for HR...
Back then, ad hominems meant something.
Being an avid reader of Reason, I am personally shocked at all of this. From what I have read at Reason in the ground zero mosque threads, I didn't think Muslims were capable of violence or anything other than enlightened discourse.
Enlightened discourse #MuslimRage
#RedTonySnark
John throwing out idiotic strawmen. Some things never change.
No. It is called snark. You people dish it out quite well. But you get really angry when someone else does it to you.
You people?
#otheredrage
#racistrage
Hit and Run comenters get very angry when you make fun of them.
#KochtopusRage
#HitNRage
#Threadwinner.
A winnah!
Only the Orange Line Cosmo ones.
Odd. I thought we mostly got even.
We actually get mad at the lack of humor. #JimmyPage
No. If it wasn't funny, you wold ignore it. It only bothers you so much because it strikes a nerve.
It bothers me in the same way that a certain actor bothers me #NickCage
I know Randian. No one on Hit and Run who defended the 9-11 Mosque ever uttered anything but a reasonable thought or down played or was naive about Muslims' intentions. Never. It is just appalling that anyone could imply such a thing about such a perfect group of commentators.
John, you are one of the most prolific and committed commenters on HyR. Why are you writing as if you are not one of them/us?
John, like joe before him, looms large above us, ensuring that we don't go too far with this Free Will thing. After all, the Liberals want our Souls.
I know Randian. I stand in awe of your intellect. You are just right about everything. And absolutely above any sort of ridicule.
Needs moar TEAM
shrike also thinks he's coming here to tell us an uncomfortable truth.
Get a sense of humor.
Yes. I am so serious all the time. Somber really.
I hate when John Stewart hides behind his status as a comedian #RedTonyRage
yeah, Randian. I only posted about a thousand different points on those threads and never said any such thing as I said above.
Get over yourself. You are not perfect. You don't win every argument. And yes it is possible to make fun of you the same way you make fun of other people. And when someone does that screamed "STRAWMAN" about it just proves said joke hit a nerve.
Maybe you're constipated? Try some #Fage
And when someone does that screamed "STRAWMAN" about it just proves said joke hit a nerve.
What the fuck are you talking about? Tony and o3 and shrike spin out strawman arguments all the time. When we call them on it, is it because they "hit a nerve"?
Tony couldn't hit a nerve with an iron maiden.
Just get your grumbling about cosmotarians out in the open like all the other boring paleo-cons.
Because I wasn't being totally serious in the post above Sugar Free. You guys are just acting like I was because you have no sense of humor.
I don't care about your never-ending war against the cosmotarian threat. I care that you think you are some sort of dangerous or radical truth-teller come here to open up our eyes. That's Tulpa's pathetic shtick. We don't need another Tulpa.
Sugerfree.
WTF are you talking about? I am not some dangerous radical anything. It pisses me off when people question my integrity and think I don't believe the shit I post. But I don't claim to be anymore of a truth teller than anyone else, sans Shreek and Tony who are just sock puppets.
Is it not allowed to make fun of the standard Libertarian line of thinking? Did I miss that memo?
Make fun all you want, but don't play dumb with me.
SF,
All of those comments are 'making fun" of the standard libertarian line in support of the ground zero mosque. So I ask you again, are you not allowed to make fun of and snark at the standard Libertarian position? Ever?
Thinking that you've made anyone angry in the complete absence of anyone being angry is the Tulpa Delusion.
Thinking that you've made anyone angry in the complete absence of anyone being angry is the Tulpa Delusion.
I am not the one yelling Red Tony and strawman. I don't think you are angry. But it seemed to get under Randian's skin.
What exactly is the "Standard Libertarian Line in Support of the Ground Zero Mosque (SLLSGZM)?
Not a joke. I'm wondering what the consensus may be, and how I fit in.
"cosmotarians"
Geez, you don't like a drink, don't order it.... what?
Geez, you don't like a drink, don't order it.... what?
It is a term of abuse--created by a troll, no less--for libertarians who are insufficiently turned on by war, the warfare state, and stop anywhere short of agitating for the genocide of Muslims. Occasionally also tossed out by so-cons for the crime of not being a so-con.
No Sugar Free
It is a term of abuse that is hurled at people who are more interested in being liked by their lefty friends and colleagues than they are in being right.
If that term has been debased of its meaning, how about we replace it with "Weigel" since he exemplified everything the term was supposed to mean.
SIV, wareagle, and VG Zaytsev all use it in the manner that I just defined.
Weigalling was defined as that, if I remember correctly. It fell out of use in favor of LoneWacko's construction.
Ah, LW... I can just imagine him now, how sexually excited he must be over the prospect of armed drones on the Mexican border... I wonder if he still cries out when he uses his silicone burrito dildo...
It makes me sad. But I can honestly say I can see a gleam in some people's eyes when they talk about the possibility of Mexico going south. I mean people in positions of authority. I swear to God they want to go down there. It is just fucking nuts.
You people dish it out quite well.
So the lead singer said as he turned his head around, 'that was the worst performance I ever heard! I don't know why we pay the price of a ticket to see you guys.'
Oh, is that what it is. It sounded more like making things up.
Found out the snark was really a boojum #MuslimRage
#MNGRage
Ladies, how do you get the camel spit stains out of your hubby's jubba? #MuslimRage
Your hubby's got a chubby? #MuslimRage
My burqa keeps me from checking to my left before switching lanes with my camel. #MuslimRage
Ha ha. No Arab driver checks any direction any where before proceeding into the intersection at 110 MPH.
Does ANYONE outside of North America?
By the way, Muhammad was a pederast, a rapist, a murderer and a thief. I, for one, think we should find his grave, dig him up, pour the excrement of a hundred Jews on his bones and re-bury him face down with the original moon flag planted in his sphincter.
Fuck #muslimrage.
Your post exceeded 140 characters. Fail. #MuslimRage
My long post was in response to not only the asinine "reaction" by the whack-jobs, but was also a jab at the character limit.
#characterlimitrage
Muhammad never existed. He is an amalgamation of probably several religious leaders running around Arabia in the 7th Century. Everything we think we know about his is most certainly an ahistorical lie made up centuries later.
So you're sayin' Obama wrote the Koran, too? #CompositeCharacterRage
No silly. Bill Ayers did.
I thought Jesus was an amalgamation of several religious leaders running around. Everything we thought we knew about his was most certainly an ahistorical lie made up centuries later. I get these all confused sometimes.
And I should scroll before posting.
At least I'm important enough that people make shit up about me. You will die, alone and forgotten.
I
HAVE
SPOKEN!
Muhammad never existed...Everything we think we know about his is most certainly an ahistorical lie made up centuries later.
I have read the same thing about Jesus. Strange that.
Sure you have. Of course he stands up a bit better to such an analyses. We have Roman sources that at least confirm that his followers were claiming to be his followers in 1st Century Rome. We have no sources that claim the Arabs were claiming to be Muhammad's followers until a few centuries later. Muhammad and the early history of Islam is a much harder problem than the early history of Christianity.
Does it matter whether he existed?
Does it matter whether he existed?
Nope, and that was the point I was trying to make.
Needz moar rage.
#readthepage
Matter in what sense of purpose? I'd like to know if everything I've ever heard of Archimedes can be verified, same with Jesus and Mo.
I've taken up reading about twenty pages from the Koran every evening. It's pretty rough going. Imagine reading Carlos Castaneda and every few paragraphs being commanded to believe the words or suffer the wrath deserved of infidels. The Great Cayote will punish you, but first, my army of peyote chewing followers will cut out your tongue! Highly annoying because these assertions come out of nowhere and at anytime.
Where is Plato's grave?
If you are Muslim it sure as hell does. To me not really. But it is an interesting historic question.
It matters so little to John that he has said it about 20 times in the past few days.
Randian,
It doesn't "matter" whether Richard III was a good or a bad king and if the play was Tudor propaganda. But it sure as hell is an interesting question.
And I have said about 20 times because the subject of these threads is blaspheming Islam. Nothing could be more blasphemous than claiming he didn't exist.
Can you please set aside your earnestness for a few seconds and contemplate that?
*contemplates*
What, this is some sort of elaborate art project or something?
If you are Muslim Christian it sure as hell does. To me not really. But it is an interesting historic question.
If you are not a Christian, it really shouldn't matter to you if Jesus existed you half wit. Why would anyone think otherwise?
If you are not a Christian, it really shouldn't matter to you if Jesus existed you half wit. Why would anyone think otherwise?
And I could say the same to you concerning Muhammad, or don't you get that.
Does it offend you for someone to question the existence of Muhammad? Make you uncomfortable? Is asking that question not allowed on Reason? Or if it is allowed can only Muslims ask it?
If not, what does it matter what my interest is? And if you are not interested in the subject, don't comment on the thread.
Does it offend you for someone to question the existence of Muhammad? Make you uncomfortable? Is asking that question not allowed on Reason? Or if it is allowed can only Muslims ask it?
Nope, doesn't bother me at all. Nor would questioning the existance of Jesus, Krishna, Buddha, Lao Tzu or any other holy man. I was simply making the comparison that people have indeed questioned the existance of all these people in the past and I wondered what your point was.
We have had some long and interesting threads on the existence of Jesus.
We have had some long and interesting threads on the existence of Jesus.
Lately? Sorry I missed them.
I'm right here! Stop talking like I can't hear you, because I can.
Sorry, I only follow She-Jesus. Just as holy, INFINITELY hotter.
#ChristanRage
Needz moar "Xtian" or "Godbag"
don't X out Christmas! #EvangelistRage
Ugh, this is nonsense John. I'm not saying this to defend Islam or Muhammad, but as someone who is interested by history, posting nonsense like this annoys me. There are Byzantine sources mentioning Muhammad just a few years after his death (Teaching of Jacob). The Roman sources on Jesus actually came decades later (not saying he didn't exist btw). John of Damascus also mentioned him about a century later.
John of Damascus mentions a Muhammad. But the Muhammad he mentions doesn't in any way fit with the Muhammad of the Koran. Clearly, the Arabs had a new religion of their own. But what is not clear is just what the hell that was in the beginning.
Of course the theories of a few wackos are to be believed over the historical consensus
You'd better watch out or Obama and Hillary are going to call what you just said vile and offensive.
And fried chicken #muslimrage
I live in the fucking desert! #MuslimRage
You see this? This is SAND. Nothing grows here. Nothing will ever grow here! I say we get a U-Haul and move 'em ALL out. #MuslimRage
You know what it's gonna be in 20 years?
IT'S GONNA BE SAND!
#KinisonRaged
And my Uncle lies about the identity of my father and won't let me transfer to the Academy this season! #SkywalkerRage
The Jedi Council won't let me mind control people to get what I want.
#skywalkerrage
The batteries on my golf cart need replacement, this place is too big to walk around. #SkywalkerRanch
Beard stuck in pencil sharpener #MuslimRage
I live in Michigan! #MuslimRage
I live in Michigan, too!!!111 #LostDecadeRage
In the pic, dude to the left with his head thrown back....I'm not buying it.
What's the halaal term for "horribly fake overacting", since I assume "hamming it up" is unacceptable.
The halaal term is "RAAAAACIST!!"
My outrage face is not convincing. #MuslimRage
Ow! An infidel just just stepped on my left foot!
#muslimrage
I can never hit that high-C right. #VocalistRage
Maybe all these young Muslim men just need to get laid. It must be frustrating to have access to sex only via marriage and live in a society where reputable women are frequently accompanied by a male relative.
Trouble with young male sexual repression and violence?
That sounds like a job for America's newest superhero, Internet Porn! And his sidekick, Violent Video Games!
They have all of that. Arab men watch porn by the ton. But it is not helping.
Yeah, but imagine having access only to internet porn and then going out and not being able to talk to girls without serious scrutiny from the public.
It of course depends on what country your in (Egypt is more liberal than Afghanistan or the Gulf States), but for the most part you aren't at liberty to express unseemly sexual behavior in public.
"Yeah, but imagine having access only to internet porn and then going out and not being able to talk to girls without serious scrutiny from the public."
That pretty much applies to everyone here.
I can only guess how messed up their attitudes toward women must be when fed a steady diet of porn and violent video games, while being allowed to interact with real women in only very limited ways.
Comcast is throttling my goat porn torrents! #MuslimRage
Getting laid and getting jobs would go a long way towards reducing the incidence of InstaMobs in the ME.
Actually that works everywhere!
I thought the former was the whole purpose of Occupy?
No, Occupy is about getting laid and wanting someone to give you money. The latter often happens as a result of having a job, but I get the impression that the Occupiers don't care for that sort of arrangement.
One of the sad things in all this is Middle Eastern women are very beautiful. They shouldn't have to cover up their pretty faces and bodies because old assholes think they're inferior and must not tempt men or whatever bullshit they believe
Persian women are HOT.
Arab women, not as much.
The menu guide says Spongebob is on now, but iCarly's on instead. #6yroldrage
I've been a victim of such rage.
It's quite a scourge.
That business? You didn't build that. #MuslimRage
We need to spread that sand around a little #MuslimRage
I posted this in the other thread, but there are some interesting parallels (though not entirely perfect parallels, thankfully) between the defeat of the Japanese and the current conflict with the Islamic world that Stephen den Beste wrote about years ago.
http://denbeste.nu/cd_log_entr.....slam.shtml
I, too, am a cultural chauvinist. I feel no shame in that. But I'm not militant about it, and I'm willing to tolerate other chauvinists as long as they don't become militant. This war was thrust upon us by militant Islamic extremists, whose belief system cannot tolerate mine to exist.
For my system to continue to exist, theirs must be changed. This is not a war of faith on my side, it's just a practical necessity. They need not give up Islam, but their fundamentalism will have to be destroyed. Islam must become tolerant, because as long as it is not we will continue to have wars with them.
Pretty much. The world has gotten to be too small and interconnected of a place for people to hold these kinds of crazy views in isolation anymore.
Word up.
Captain and Tennille! #MuskratRage
My curtains keep fading in the desert sun! #MuslinRage
I was assfucked by a congressman while I was in high school! #MuslimPage
Voulez-vous coucher avec goats? #MoulinRage
LOL
out of Gray Poupon /MustardRage
Can't find into my old jeans #MiddleAged
*find = fit
Idiot!
#previewrage
Brooklyn's very own Lime and Pickle: formula 016 #MayonnaiseRage
God dammit. That's going too fucking far!
#SloopyRage
Actually, that sounds pretty good. Like a lime tartar sauce. Fish tacos FTW!
yeah... "Fish Tacos"
GET OFF MY LAWN! #DependsRage
Depends on what? #ConditionalRage
OK, I have to admit, the HampersandR commentariat is working over these hastags with style.
The hashtags even! #misspellingrage
They long for the fleeting pleasures of Twitter celebrity.
Environmentalists are forcing grocery stores to stop providing plastic grocery bags!! #MuslimRage
If we could only convince them that environmentalist insult Allah by their very existence that #muslimrage could be put to very good use.
Call it The Destruction of the Destruction.
But plastic bags are very useful for honor-killing your daughter in the UK.
Dirka dirka Mohammed jihad! #MuslimRage
YEAH WELL THEN WHY DONT YOU ALL JUST GO VOTE FOR OBAMA THEN #JohnRage
" . . .the widespread violence ostensibly directed at the trailer for the film Innocence of Muslims is a dismaying step backward after 2011's democratic movements around the Arab world. . . "
I know this has been brought up before, but did anybody here really believe anything good was going to come out of those movements? Anybody with even a smidge of knowledge about the current state of affairs in the Arab, much less wider Islamic, world?
A lot of people don't understand the difference between liberalism and democracy. I blame public education, which is the latter but not the former.