Third Parties

Green Party: It Still Exists!

|

The New York Times gives extended attention (for I'm guessing the last time this electoral season) to the Green Party's likely nominee, Jill Stein, who in an interesting coincidence already ran up against (and failed to beat) Mitt Romney in the Massachusetts 2002 gubernatorial race. 

Stein / Honkala 2012

It is the typical third party candidate profile–no one's heard of her! She just might "cost Obama the election" in a swing state like Ohio! She has some interesting ideas whose actual effect on policy we won't bother to think about hard since we're only covering her for a lark! 

Her core policies, as reported by the Times:

Ms. Stein says she emphasizes issues like ecological sustainability, racial and gender equality, and economic justice. The centerpiece of her platform is a Green New Deal, a twist on the Roosevelt-era programs intended to stimulate job growth and the depressed economy. It could be paid for by ending the presence of American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, the campaign says, and by eliminating waste in the health care system. Beyond that, Ms. Stein favors a progressive income tax that would raise rates on the wealthy.

An analysis of the potential appeal of a candidate to Obama's left would have been an opportunity to get serious about why many progressives are, or should be, dissatisfied with President Obama on issues like war and civil liberties (a topic covered at Reason here, here, and here) but alas Stein herself seems uninterested in front and centering such issues.

David Weigel at Slate hits the piece for what he sees as analytical errors concerning Ralph Nader (the man whom many, and the Times, think put the party on the map with his 2000 run and gave it whatever prominence and success it had, Weigel thinks in fact was its ruination by his decision to run totally independent in '04 and '08) and fact errors (the Times said Stein would be the first Green to win federal matching funds, when Cynthia McKinney did in '08).  (Thanks to commenter Mo for pointing out that Weigel corrected his correction–the funds McKinney received were not "federal matching funds.")

I blogged in February on Rosanne Barr's now aborted plan to win the Green Party nomination.

NEXT: David Harsanyi on Why a Tax Hike Would Accomplish Nothing

Editor's Note: We invite comments and request that they be civil and on-topic. We do not moderate or assume any responsibility for comments, which are owned by the readers who post them. Comments do not represent the views of Reason.com or Reason Foundation. We reserve the right to delete any comment for any reason at any time. Report abuses.

  1. All the “greens” I know will hold their nose and vote for Obama.

    1. Yep. And all because they don’t want to take the blame for getting Romney elected. They’ll be shamed in to voting for Obama. Because they have no principles.

    2. You know greens? That’s… unfortunate.

      Actually I know a green. Asshole blocked me from commenting on his facebook posts.

      1. I know several. They still feel horribly guilty for their Nader votes in 2000 and not a one was in Florida at the time. They’re all women so the “right to chose” and Lilly Ledbetter Law trump all their disappointment in the President.

    3. So it is your belief that Obama owns the watermelon vote?

      1. I believe that under standard protocol, I’m free to say:

        “That’s racist!”

      2. There’s no place for racism here.

        1. Should refresh more often.

    1. As someone with a fetish for post-menopausal Jewish women who take care of themselves, I can honestly say I want to have immoderate quantities of non-reproductive intercourse with Jill Stein.

      I wish I had a plan to make this happen.

  2. It could be paid for by ending the presence of American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan

    This kind of thinking drives me nuts. All that does is put a dent in the deficit. It does not free up money for other spending.

    1. ^^THIS^^

      The idea that we can simply reallocate spending from ill favored to more favored programs and simultaneously avoid debt problems is idiotic. Unfortunately this kind of reasoning and economic stupidity is par for the course for progressives.

    2. We can’t be out of money, she still has checks left.

    3. No shit. We already have $15 trillion in debt that money could go toward paying off.

  3. I wouldn’t fuck Stein with Dunphy’s dick, but Honkala would be pretty doable after a couple beers.

    1. Uh…no.

    2. It would have to be a brew so potent it would kill you before you even got up to introduce yourself.

    3. The fuck is wrong with you.

    4. jesus christ, your standards are low.

      and my dick is doing just fine, thanks.

      my wife’s a kickboxer. i will keep it away from tein, thanx.

      because a punctured spleen hurts

    1. Google image search indicates BoscoH forgot to mention you would want to start drinking in the time machine.
      Honkala circa 2000 looks like she was pretty doable around 1990 long ago:

      Honkala was born into poverty in Minneapolis, Minnesota in 1963 and spent most of her youth battling homelessness and struggling to avoid youth detention facilities. She became a vocal activist at a young age, getting arrested at a homeless demonstration at the age of 13.

      They had “homeless demonstrations” in 1976? I thought Reagan kicked everybody out of their homes in 1981.

      1. Struggling to avoid youth detention facilities? Talk about being oppressed.

        1. homeless in minneapolis? crappy weather.

          get your shit together, buy a one way to hawaii and be homeless in paradise.

          as a former hawaii cop, i dealt with the hawaii homeless a lot, and they had it pretty good – a state where it’s easy to get decent welfare payments, you can sleep on the beach at night and it’s WARM. if you WANT a shower, they are at practically every public beach, as are reasonably clean bathrooms, and fresh fruit grows everywhere. you certainly won’t get scurvy.

          1. Okay, I’m sold. Dude, take your kickboxer wife and come hang out with me in Seattle. I’mma hook up with the local choom gang and you can bust me and give me little speeches about how you wouldn’t do it if you had your way. 🙂

      2. a Minnesota juvenile delinquent

        I wonder if Cheri she ever went to New York back in the 1970s?

        I can’t seem to find a youtube of the Dictators song.

      3. Thank you for your research. I will go back to 1999 and see if I can get a younger, more follicled Radley Balko to take pictures of us protesting getting our asses kicked in Seattle. (If strike didn’t work, put a mental one through protesting.)

        1. that was good times. you can blame the eugene anarchist fuckhead crew for ruining a good LAWFUL protest and turning it into a “let’s break a lot of shit and set shit on fire and throw stuff at the cops full blown riot”

          i have never heard so many officers screaming for help on a police radio in my life.

          and our fucking intel was terrible. we had to go to the command center and watch fucking TV to find out what the fuck was going on.

          a week straight of 16-18 hr days, coming home covered in pepper spray…

          lots of “protesters” there were there for only one reason… to cause mayhem. they ruined it for the legitimate protesters

          and then there were the “lesbian avengers” topless, out of shape, middle aged and over the hill skinny fat women with floppy basset hound ear breasts jumping around topless with various progressive causes written on the their torsos

          meh.

          1. destigmatizing toplessness among attractive teenagers ought to be libertarian social reform goal #1…

      4. The squeeze was a delinquent in Minneapolis and is just a coupla years younger than this chick. I doubt they crossed paths, though, unless it was some sort of homeless-punk rumble in the jungle.

  4. With a name like that, Honkala is an…unfortunate name.

    1. *nose* like that.

      1. Dude, your tautology was better. Is that RC’s Law?

        1. I did like it better.

          1. Yeah but what great campaign signs! Her supporters could hang out on street corners with big signs that say “Honk for Honkala” and get the people driving by all crazy.

  5. Looking at those birds, I’m surprised they are still around. Their habitat, musty old book stores, were bulldozed over by corporate greed fifteen or more years ago.

    1. you clearly havent seen portlandia

      1. Not only have I, but one scene in particular, was enough to get the wife to try out a few new things. Thank you, Portlandia, and thank you gender role switching skit with ass to ass action.

        1. particular, was enough

          You ‘,’, however, don’t belong there. I rephrase a sentence always forget to edit the punctuation.

          1. wow. nice one. i was thinking these two wimmins would fit right in the “feminist bookstore” in portlandia

            1. Oh, yeah, the skit with Buscemi; there was so much condescension and malice with those two, yep, Green Party leadership potential, definitely.

              1. the feminist bookstore skit i liked best was the one with the air conditioner repairmen

                “every time you point, i see a penis”

                lol

            2. Of course, I kid about the wife. She is an uptight Puerto Rican. Would never go for it.

              1. reminds me of the old JAP joke.

                what’s the difference between a JAP (jewish american princess) and jello?

                “jello moves when you eat it”

                rimshot

                1. Ugh. Women need to be re?ducated to not expect oral. It’s gross and it causes cancer.

                  And, yes, I’m ready to sacrifice a lifetime of BJs for this noble cause. You indolent assholes need to learn to have sex in a way that can’t be done on a La-Z-Boy.

                  1. I’m ready to sacrifice a lifetime of BJs for this noble cause

                    Ayup – that’s pretty much the price of no cunning linguist!

                    1. Ugh. Women need to be re?ducated to not expect oral. It’s gross and it causes cancer.

                      As a man who worships at the Alter of Pussy, I consider you an abominable heretic.

                2. How do you get a JAP to stop giving you blowjobs???

                  Marry her…

  6. Did you read Weigel’s post recently? He was wrong about the matching funds.

    UPDATE: I apologize — I confused the federal funds that the 2008 Green candidate received with “federal matching funds.” The Saulny piece is right about that, and I’m wrong. Corrected text follows. And my old headline, referring to “Two Facts Missing” from the piece, has been boiled into a nice, warm paste I can eat with my crow.

    1. It must feel to him as if he were stung by a wasp or something.

  7. I know quite a few Green Party members. Heck, in the SF Bay area it’s almost impossible NOT to know any. Yet I don’t know a one of that didn’t vote for Democrat in the non-local elections. And only in those local elections where at least two Democrats and zero Republicans are running. The Democrats scolded the Greens for voting Nader, and the Green said “sorry massah, never again!”

    1. i know a few greens too.

      i actually know and hang out with a few UBER liberal progressives.

      really good people, just ridiculous politics (imo). our politics are SO different we can laugh about it.

      i have zero doubt they are empathetic good people. we just differ on the means. our ends are similar – less suffering and a better society.

  8. I thought it was Roseanne Barr?

    1. Not even the Green Party was THAT stupid.

  9. Funny how Rs and Ds both view votes as “their” votes… like they were entitlements, or private property.

    Fuck you, Teams. Work harder to prevent third parties from “stealing” your votes, or shut the fuck up.

    Or die in a fire.

  10. Is there anything in that platform that isn’t in Obama’s?

    1. No kidding. Except for the de-funding the wars thang. No wonder progressives don’t bother giving Green Party their votes.

    2. Sincerity, possibly?

      1. greens, like libertarians have the luxury of being able to afford to be sincere.

        there is no way in fucking hell they are going to win a major election, so they don’t have to play the games that dems and repubs do.

  11. i like the way, to this day, progressive fuckheads at DU etc. blame NADER (and the scotus of course) for the loss.

    here’s a hint. nader only got one vote. it wasn’t NADER

    it was NADER voters. and thank god for that. bush sucked, but gore? god, that would have sucked

  12. “Ms. Stein says she emphasizes issues like ecological sustainability, racial and gender equality, and economic justice. The centerpiece of her platform is a Green New Deal, a twist on the Roosevelt-era programs intended to stimulate job growth and the depressed economy. It could be paid for by ending the presence of American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, the campaign says, and by eliminating waste in the health care system. Beyond that, Ms. Stein favors a progressive income tax that would raise rates on the wealthy.”

    What in that platform puts her to Obama’s left?

  13. Interesting how the Libertarian ticket may end up being the only one with two white men.

  14. Green: very new cheese or very old meat.

    Judging by the photo, the latter.

Please to post comments

Comments are closed.