3 Big Takeaways From Obamacare Decision

Here are the three most important things you need to know in the wake of the Supeme Court's decision on The Affordable Care Act, a.k.a. Obamacare:

1. Government is still unlimited.
2. Mitt Romney is still lame.
3. Health care costs will still soar.

For more details, go to http://reason.com/blog/2012/06/29/3-essential-takeaways-from-the-obamacare

Produced by Jim Epstein and Nick Gillespie. About 2 minutes.

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[SIV]

"This video is private"

[Incredulous]

Yes, no sound, black screen and the above message - not a very interesting video.

[CockGobbla]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYYnDEOxWxY

Here's an interesting video.

[CockGobbla]

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[Suthenboy]

OH for God's sake. Ha!
I used to hear that kinda crap every day when I worked in a mental hospital.

[Anthony Fisher]

It's public now.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Bummer. This is all suspended H2O crystals and no Ag lining.

[VG Zaytsev]

Some progressive asshole legal scholar wrote this over at the Atlantic:

In civics class we learn that federal courts decide whether laws passed by Congress and the state legislatures are constitutional. Therefore the federal courts are the guardians of our Constitution. That is certainly true, but it not the whole story. In fact, the most important function of the federal courts is to legitimate state building by the political branches. That is the best way to understand what happened in the Health Care Case.

Which is refreshingly honest and depressing.

So much for the black robed guardians of liberty.

[Mr. FIFY]

"State building" kinda sounds like "nation building", minus the carpet-bombing.

[Ken Shultz]

In fact, the most important function of the federal courts is to legitimate state building by the political branches.

If they were really honest, they'd 'fess up about that being the purpose of elections, too.

If legitimizing the state is what statists are all about, then delegitimizing the state should be the mission of libertarians everywhere--so long as the state continues to attack our rights.

Hell, my allegiance isn't to the flag, which used to stand for something. My allegiance isn't to our elected representatives or the Supreme Court, either. My allegiance is to liberty and justice, and if what Congress and the courts do betrays their commitment to liberty and justice, then they have very little legitimacy with me.

[VG Zaytsev]

Yeah I agree of course.

Roberts ruling and reaction from a lot of the conservative punditocracy was really demoralizing to me. It seems that the system is irredeemably broken and there's literally no hope.

The socialists have succeeded in turning a large majority of people into idiots that will gladly sell their freedom for free stuff.

[squarooticus]

It seems that the system is irredeemably broken and there's literally no hope.
This is a necessary step. Lack of hope about the political system generates anarcho-capitalists.

[Cytotoxic]

Oh great more idiots.

[Ken Shultz]

The only real difference between libertarians and anarcho-capitalists is how far the anarcho-capitalists want to go once the government gets really small.

We have so long to go before we get anywhere near having a small government, that arguing about whether we should put it out of its misery once it's small is absurd.

So, we'll be on the same road with anarcho-capitalists for a long, long time to come--probably all of our lifetimes. If we ever get the government small enough that putting it out of its misery completely becomes something like feasible, feel free to pick a fight with the anarcho-capitalists then.

But until we get to that fork in the road, maybe let's try to be as inclusive as possible. Statists are thick as flies in this country, and they're screwing us every chance they get. Maybe it's time to get a little less picky about our allies.

[Cytotoxic]

Fair enough. I just find the AnCaps have a dummb strategy and are useless in their fatalism. See below.

[SIV]

If your goal isn't the eventual total elimination of the state, you just might be a statist.

[Pip from the forge]

the eventual total elimination of the state

Succeeded by what, pray tell? Utopian harmony between the surviving gangs?

[Ken Shultz]

Utopian harmony between the surviving gangs?

There are some anarcho-capitalists, some who used to frequent this very site, that will tell you that they're not sure people are ready yet for anarchy...

On the other hand, the reason I don't join a gang and go about raping, pillaging and plundering has nothing to do with fear of the government. ...and I'm not the only one. Maybe you'd go around abusing people if you didn't have to be afraid of the govenrment, but that doesn't mean everyone else is like that, too.

Actually, if you dug down to the very bottom of the reasons we're suffering everything from the drug war to ObamaCare in this country, I suspect you'd find it all has something to do with people who think that if the government weren't involved, then everyone would automatically abuse each other to whatever extent...

Disabuse yourself of that false notion. I'm not an anarcho-capitalist, but the idea that if it weren't for the government we'd all be at the mercy of "surviving gangs" is the root of all progressive evil.

Get rid of that stupid idea.

[califernian]

"It seems that the system people are irredeemably broken and there's literally no hope."

[wareagle]

as the old saw goes, you gotta hit rock bottom before working your way back up.

[Ken Shultz]

It seems that the system is irredeemably broken and there's literally no hope.

I've been kinda arguing that around here for a long time, especially in terms of hoping that elections, voters or politicians are going to save us.

There is no hope of that.

There never was.

There's nothing new about that now.

Politicians are not the solution to our problems. They never were. They never will be.

Not even president Ron Paul could save us, and neither could anyone else.

And there's nothing new about that.

Just because there's no hope that the system will save us, however, doesn't mean there's no hope. I've done a lot more to save my own ass than any politician ever will, and as long as you have a strong work ethic, you've got some integrity and some smarts?

There's always hope--that we can all save ourselves. And that's the message we should be selling people. Before we can sell it to other people, though, we gotta believe it ourselves...

No, neither the Democrats nor the Republicans nor Congress nor the president nor the Supreme Court will save me, so I need to have the freedom to save myself.

[T o n y]

I'm for rainbows and puppy dogs myself.

Libertarians should be honest when they say they're for "liberty and justice" and list exactly which public policies those entail. Liberty to die of a medical condition for the crime of having a preexisting condition. The justice of natural selection.

A law you don't like is not cause to declare the state illegitimate. Being against the "state" (rather than just certain policies) doesn't even really make sense. You and what army?

[Mr. FIFY]

Still bigoted against straight people, Tony?

[T o n y]

Wished any gay mean death from AIDS today?

You gonna whip out a dictionary to prove how that's not an ugly, vile, bigoted thing to say?

[ThatSkepticGuy]

"A law you don't like is not cause to declare the state illegitimate."

Unless, of course, you're a sollipsistic progessive with too much time and other people's money on your hands, in which case any and every legal or political decision that doesn't go your way is the result of Boogeyman Corporations breaking the system.

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

Well that toes in nicely with FDR packing the courts. I wonder if he thinks the same way about the role of the court in authoritarian dictatorships.

[VG Zaytsev]

Of coursehe does, he was talking about progressive's America.

[Eduard van Haalen]

Off topic, the school district where the bus monitor got bullied has suspended four students for a year and required them to perform community service with senior citizens. The bus monitor won't press charges, but will use some (not all) the money she got over the internet to help with Down Syndrome research.

http://ow.ly/bVTu0

To quote anonbot, sometimes you just have to throw your hands in the air and say, whose your daddy?

[shamalam]

raised $667K!

[Pip from the forge]

The bus monitor will use some of the money she got over the internet to help with Down Syndrome research.

Well played, madam.

[Pip from the forge]

In related news, the parents of the perps are suing her for defamation.

[wareagle]

for some reason, a suit by them seems entirely possible. Meanwhile, I saw where the kids were suspended for a year.

[SIV]

Alternative school. Where the girls are easier and the dope is stronger.

[C. S. P. Schofield]

Please God, somebody tell them "Civilize your brats, before somebody shoots them."

[Eduard van Haalen]

(I think it's one of the woman's grandchildren who has Down's, not the bullies.)

[Pip from the forge]

whoosh

[Pip from the forge]

That's what makes her decision so ironic!

[Butts Wagner]

I'm a lawyer!

[General Butt Naked]

No, I'M A LAYWER!

[Paul.]

Dude's shoulders must be sore from carrying all that water.

It's a tax! And if I refer to it as a tax throughout my article, it will prove that it's a tax! Because I'm calling it a tax! Tax tax taxity tax!

See? Tax!

[wareagle]

god forbid Nick doesn't get his gratuitous anti-Romney snark in. Of all the conceivable takeaways, that is not one of them.

[Hugh Akston]

"Mitt Romney is a giant douche" is a lesson to be learned from every story.

[C. S. P. Schofield]

Mitt Romney may be a douche, but compared to Jug Ears at 1600 Penn. he's a small, sample-sized douche.

*sigh*

[Len Bias]

This is the thing. Romney is horrible, but it's disingenuous to say that he and Obama will be exactly the same when it comes to health care.

Obama will do as much as he can to implement the bill irreversibly, making repeal impossible for a generation (or until we run off a fiscal cliff).

Romney will try to repeal it. I doubt I'd like what he replaces it with, but it is not going to be more expensive, and will be more market oriented (only single-payer would be less).

It is reasonable to say that Romney is unlikely to be able to get it repealed, or what he replaces it with will probably be a mess, too.

But, the choices aren't exactly the same, since Obama wants to go full speed ahead, and Romney wants to repeal it. This is not a plug for Romney, but just the sad reality.

[JW]

Romney will try to repeal it.

There is absolutely no evidence to support this, other than the word of a slimy old pol and magical thinking.

[Len Bias]

He is more likely to than Obama, but I agree, that's not saying much.

[Cytotoxic]

It is not magical thinking at all. He has no reason not to repeal it and every reason to fear vetoing a repeal.

[JW]

You may be right. Magic has some mystery attached to it. A mainstream pol sucking up to the status quo and his imaginary dissent collapsing like a leaky kiddie pool isn't mysterious at all.

The delusion publicly displayed that Romney is some kind of anti-establishment candidate and will upset the statist apple cart is endlessly amusing.

[Cytotoxic]

Tell me what Romney's motivation is. What is the logic behind him keeping Obamacare how does he benefit. Do you have anything beyond feeble Axis of Gliberty talking points?

[JW]

Funny, I was about to ask you the same thing, since O-Care was his idea.

[Fatty Bolger]

There is his desire for reelection.

Obamacare took down the Democratic House. It's about to take down the Senate and Obama himself. Will Romney really want to be next on that list?

[JW]

I would file any hope of Flopney making any significant change under "irrational exuberance."

[Cytotoxic]

God it is tiresome.

[JW]

You know what's tiresome?

[Cytotoxic]

The people around here who screech about TEAMS!1 regardless of context or anything else? Agreed.

[JW]

So, it's working out well for you. Good to know.

[Cytotoxic]

God it is tiresome.

[Pip from the forge]

TEAM Libertarian!
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.
.

Too soon?

[General Butt Naked]

Yeah, I'm cancelling my (non-existent)subscription. It's really too much.

First of all, the GOP has finally, finally, nominated a candidate that is libertarian in everything but name. Romney's small government record is impeccable and anyone who's been to Massachusetts can tell you that Mitt's libertarian bona fides are unimpeachable!

They keep wasting ink on this Gary Jonstone guy, or whatever! Who the fuck is that, and why should I care?!

This is the most important election of our lives and the first time libertarians have a candidate in their corner, with Mitt, so we need to start building consensus with our many allies in the GOP to get Mitt elected! Not waste time trying to split the vote for this Jonstone guy!

Secondly, the fact that they hold a gun to your head and make you read these articles you don't agree with is way not cool. Not libertarian at all!

[Cytotoxic]

Your strawmen fighting credentials are unassailable.

[General Butt Naked]

That you're just another unicorn rainbow fart promising republican ain't a strawman; it's a fact. Sorry that you just cannot admit the truth dude, but it's obvious to everyone else.

People don't fuck with you because you're a republican; it's because you're a fucking phony who won't admit it.

Come out of the fucking closet already, jesus. Stand up and say, "I am for big government when it either strokes my war boner or Mitt Romney is for it. I am a republican!" Don't parade around in your fucking paleo-libertarian hat making a mockery of the movement and a spectacle of yourself. Fucking pathetic.

[Cytotoxic]

Holy shit you're stupid. I've never given Romney my endorsement. I can't even vote. I'm just pointing out that some of these talking points against Romney are lame and wrong and misconceived.

It's always amusing to watch the gatekeepers like you lash out at anyone who shows the slightest hint of noncompliance to the TEAMS!1 line as being conformist without any sense of irony. Now that's fucking pathetic.

[General Butt Naked]

I'm just pointing out that some of these talking points against Romney are lame and wrong and misconceived.

No you're not. You are screeching in pain because someone had the temerity to question your god's benevolent omnipotence. "NO CRITICISMS OF MITT ROMNEY ALLOWED!"

And it is just so fucking sad that you won't admit it, and hide behind things like "Oh this is tiring!" and "I can't even *sniff* vote!" Grow a fucking pair.

[Cytotoxic]

Wow you're stupid and an Internet Tuffgai to boot.

Believe what you want hear what you want. I still don't like Romney and am apathetic to him. I'm sure that denial of my guilt is just further evidence that I'm guilty of secretly being in love of Romney. You know it to be so because you're just so insightful.

Once again, your strawmen fighting credentials are unassailable.

[Cytotoxic]

PS Have you considered changing your handle to General Buttmad? Because it would be perfect.

[General Butt Naked]

"Internet tuffgai" really? Dude, I'm a pacifist, no tuff guy here. Pointing out that you turn into a blubbering fucking baby every-fucking-time there is the tiniest slight on your Hair-man is not tuff-gai-ism or a strawman. You will pepper threads with Romney defenses all fucking day long, but you want us to believe you're not emotionally invested in the guy?

I do, however, have convictions that I will proclaim and stand by.

Watch how easy it is:

Gary Johnson is the candidate for president that most represents my views. I will vote for him. If his record or views are wrongly maligned I will defend them. I will try to convince others to vote for him.

Hey, I'll even let you copy and paste that and change 'Gary Johnson' to 'Mitt Romney'. Go ahead, it'll be liberating.

[Cytotoxic]

Gary Johnson is the candidate for president that most represents my views.
Me too!

Pointing out that you turn into a blubbering fucking baby every-fucking-time there is the tiniest slight on your Hair-man is not tuff-gai-ism or a strawman.

In that case then you are actually delusional because I have criticised Romney many a time and don't like him. I hate his defence spending plan and his lack of substance on most issues.

I apologize for not being the villainous caricature you so badly need me to be. You should find someone else to fill that role.

[General Butt Naked]

So, you'd vote for Gary Johnson if you could vote?

[General Butt Naked]

PS Have you considered changing your handle to General Buttmad? Because it would be perfect.

Jesus.

[snakotanko]

Rest assured, the Sheeple will get the short end of the stick!

http://www.More-Privacy.tk

[Cytotoxic]

http://fullcomment.nationalpos.....the-world/

In which David Frum seriously argues for health 'reform' based on the point that soaring health costs threaten America's ability to spend on indulging David Frum's warboner and shielding Europe fromo having to have a military. I kid you not.

[CockGobbla]

http://m.host.madison.com/wsj/.....963f4.html

Cynthia Tucker argued the same thing about the NYC sugary drinks ban.

[Brutus]

Is it racist to say that Cindy's an imbecile?

[Sevo]

Sorta OT:
CA gov't officials "want to make it (medical insurance) as easy as buying a book on Amazon,"
http://www.sfgate.com/health/a.....675063.php
This from the folks that write tax laws such that it takes hours or professional help to figure out what you owe.
I'm gonna go a very short way out on a limb and figure they'll make it as easy as, oh, applying for a building permit.
But, hey, it'll be a 'learning experience', right?

[snakotanko]

This makes a whole lot of sesne dude. Wow.

http://www.More-Privacy.tk

[Brutus]

Takeaway #4: We're still well and truly fucked, it's just a black dick now.

[Rubber Nipple Salesman]

I'm thinking more likely that strap-on blade device from "Seven".

[Brutus]

With a special attachment that strips the recipient of his wallet while being sodomized.

[Rubber Nipple Salesman]

Good one! Had to laugh in spite of the imagery.

[Paul.]

Is there an election coming up?

[snakotanko]

Dude seems to know wht he is talking about.

http://www.Most-Privacy.tk

[sweeterjan]

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Hell, my allegiance isn't to the flag, which used to stand for something. My allegiance isn't to our elected representatives or the Supreme Court, either. My allegiance is to liberty and justice, and if what Congress and the courts do betrays their commitment to liberty and justice, then they have very little legitimacy with me.

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[Mr. FIFY]

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[myhatscaps]

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[Kuwanki]

Yeah! i didn't even, like, have to read the whole artical, to like you know, agree that like YEAH Romney is so lame. i mean, how could you possibly vote for someone so lame as Romney, especially like when Obama is so cool, i mean he's like messianic, but like totally in the cool sort of meaning of that word. i mean, like, i guess that Jesus was like really cool, and not many people know this, but Jesus was Black, just like Obama, so sorta like that, Obama is like Jesus, but not in the totally lame way that Romney believes in Jesus, but like this really cool way that Obama is like Jesus. You know, it's sorta weird but, like, if Jesus was an atheist, that would be like the kind of Jesus that Obama would be like. wouldn't like, you know, lead us into weird religions like Romney, who is like those really creepy guys that come to your door, and stuff, and his wife has got that reaslly weird disease, and stuff, and she's treating it by horse-back riding. i mean, how lame is that? Has she ever heard of anti-biotics? Romney is so lame, and Obama is so cool. He's just like Jesus. He really cares about people, and he's trying to bring the whole country together and help old people and poor people, especially poor people, and like, we can all equal and stuff. There was this really important point i was going to make, but i forgot what it was. But like, Obama is cool, and Romney is lame, and, and, like, if you can't see that, then i just feel sorry for you.

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The presence of all these brainy right-leaning lawyers was not without its drawbacks, however. There are many problems with ObamaCare?it's a huge tax increase, it's a redistribution of wealth, it increases the size of government, it's an overly complex exercise in central planning, it breaks Barack Obama's campaign promises, its implementation is timed so as to avoid electoral responsibility, it's a distraction from higher priority issues, it's unpopular with voters, it's bad for the economy. But in part because of the influence of all those lawyers, the conservative movement, at least for public discussion purposes, focused its energy for the past year or so on one main line of attack: the idea that the ObamaCare law is unconstitutional.

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[Dr. Thaddeus Tingleberry]

4. Article 1 Section 7 doesn't mean what it says

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.....n_7:_Bills

Ergo, when a bill having as its centerpiece, disclaimed as a tax, comes before the SC, which can't hear it [due to the anti Injunction Act] to begin with if it is a tax... is not a tax...

until the SC hears it, and decides that if its not a tax, it comes under the Commerce Clause {like Congress and the Prez and Nancy Pelosi all averred}... and would be unconstitutional... so it's a tax again...

Even though tax bills have to originate in the House and this Frankenbill originated in the Senate.

Good grief - from the bovine excrement masquerading as legal analysis over at Slate, I now realize that, kidding aside, our civilization has jumped the shark.

Pour away the ocean and sweep up the wood....

[Dr. Thaddeus Tingleberry]

3 big takeaways from Gillespie's appearance on Bill Maher's show:

1. Bill Maher is an unfunny Democratic shill who's about as edgy as Justin Bieber's new tattoo.

2. Rachel Maddow has no sense of irony - also a Democratic shill who does nothing but screech and lecture DNC talking points, she had no problem, in complaining about being picked on as being a Demoshill, claimed that her job was to tell us the news, not tell us what she thinks about it [I threw up a little bit in my mouth at that one].

3. People having political arguments defend their position, ad absurdum, rather than ask what is in the public interest. Gillespie set back 'Libertarianism' as a 3rd option quite a bit by trying to argue having food corps label GMO food, as the public wants, is unconscionable government coercion. Go shill for Monsanto, NG - hybrid grass is suddenly creating cyanide and killing cows... let's not pretend laws protecting big corps from disclosing such things are about 'liberty', okay, cha cha?

[alaamiah]

Thank you very much

[creativebiolabs]

Agreed. Spoke to a father of one of my daughter's ckassmates yesterday, and I brought up the band Rush. He said he didn't like them because they were libertarian. I asked him what was wrong with libertarians. He said they were racist. Rather than get into a big political argument I simply said the Libertarians reject the initiation of force.
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