Ender's Game Isn't Porn, Teacher Who Read the Book Aloud Won't Go to Jail
An Aiken, South Carolina, a middle school teacher has been placed on administrative leave this month after the mother of a 14-year-old student complained about a "pornographic" book that had been read aloud in class.
That book, apparently, was the well-known erotic classic Ender's Game.
The teacher read from two other books as well—an Agatha Christie novel and a young adult Western. The school district requires teachers to clear reading material for kids in advance, and that may not have happened in this case.
But for crying out loud, people, it's Ender's Game. Being 14- or 15 years-old means you are the perfect audience for the book—wait another year or two and you are already a little too old to identify with Andrew Wiggin. As a former (ever-so-slightly) disaffected teenager who hit the Orson Scott Card pretty hard in middle school, I cannot speak highly enough about its salutary effects as an introduction to science fiction (and anti-authoritarianism, to boot).
Come to think of it, the other gateway drug book I indulged in right around the same time was The Fountainhead. (Which, in case you don't know, has some actual naughty bits in it.) I found Ender's Game on my own, but The Fountainhead was given to me by an English teacher, along with a suggestion that I enter the Ayn Rand Institute's essay contest. Why? Because she wanted to corrupt my young mind with porn. Nope! Because she was a pretty good teacher who made a pedagogical call about my readiness to be exposed to some big ideas. That's how these things are supposed to work.
Worse, administrative leave and professional freedom were the least of that beleaguered teacher's worries last week; the police were called in, too. So how did one dumb parent wind up getting the cops involved in what should have been an uncontroversially awesome book recommendation? The mom actually called the cops herself, after initiating discussions with the school. But even if she hadn't:
State law requires that school administrators must notify local law enforcement officers whenever possible criminal activity is alleged. This is the third time in recent months that police were notified of an alleged incident by a parent before the school district reported it to law enforcement.
Luckily, the teacher won't face charges and the police investigation is already closed.
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Has the teacher's "Administrative leave" been lifted?
Has the asshole parent been sued for harrassment. (Or at least publicly outed and severely mocked.)
Seriously, publish the parent's name.
Aren't police reports public information?
Glad this kid wasn't homeschooled.
My daughters read Ender's Game when they were 11 and 10, respectively. I'm going to go call CPS on myself.
Damn. 10 and 9. Time flies.
My 10-year-old daughter read Ender's Game earlier this year. Loved it. The 8-year-old wants to read it now.
Sarcasm? Last I heard of Card, angry progtards were planning to boycott a game he had writing credit on (Firefall?) because he was opposed to or in favor of the gay marriage proposition dealie in California. So, surely this parent was just doing her progressive duty?
Whatever her political persuasion, I'm glad the state is in charge of her child's education and not her.
See, the state is supposed to be forcing her kids to read gay kiddie porn instead of letting them read that filthy Ender's Game book.
You like the state's child molesters being put in charge instead? Fagscist!
1. Child Molesters =/= Gay, dumbfuck.
2. Child Molesters are very often family or family friends.
3. There are far more institutional protections for public school kids than for homeschooled kids for molestation by their teacher.
1. Moral Turpitude = Child Molesting, Faggotard.
2. Child molesters are very often teachers and other public school staff.
3. There are no institutional protections whatsoever from state-sponsored child-molesting institutions like the public schools. Your wanting these totalitarian perverts to have even more power to brainwash kids and force pedofaggot porno on them means you must be a child molester yourself, you fagscist kiddy fiddler.
http://dashes.com/anil/2011/07.....fault.html he repeated tiredly.
Anyone read the graphic novel prequel(s)? Any good?
First: graphic novels are comic books.
Second: comic books are never "good", in that they are not great literature.
Third: are they good comic books? Didn't read them. Buying comic books is embarrassing.
You should read Understanding Comics.
No.
Being an ignorant snotty twat is also embarrassing. Guess you missed that one.
A comic book explaining the importance of comic books is laughable.
Also, I read MAUS. In it, I learned the Holocaust was bad. Deep fucking shit, man.
You can't get into the art or visual narrative? (Not speaking of Maus)
I appreciate the art much more than the narrative.
Comics are like opera; terrible writing expressed in an amazing format.
Are essays explaining the importance of essays also laughable?
you dumb piece of shit. Comics are just another medium for telling and conveying a story, one in which it cannot be done justice in any other artistic form. You just blindly assume comic books are for a young, simple-minded audience. Have you ever read "Watchmen"? Because it was one of Time magazine's top 100 novels and it's psychological profiles are intricate, realistic, and complex. You might realize this if you ever picked up a comic book.
The best comic ever:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0001.html
I enjoyed the prequels, they were certainly more entertaining than the sequels were. Fucking Speaker of the Dead .
I'm actually glad I didn't read the book until I was out of high school. Instead of years and years of fist-fights with a certain few people, I'd have taken the lesson to heart and really tried to end it (not that I'd have felt too bad about it, but the criminal record and possible life sentence would really suck).
I read it in my late teens, thought it was a good, quick read. Heinlein's young adult books work outside of the youngins too, I think...
I just finished reading a bunch of Heinleins's "Juveniles" and they are great, entertaining stories. I'm currently working through a giant box of his books that I picked up on ebay a couple of years ago and I've found the "Juveniles" to be a nice break from his more adult oriented novels.
Yeah, but when Heinlein does adult, he really does adult. Between that and the fascist tendencies that people read into his works, I don't know what they'd do to you for reading his books in school today...
Yes, Heinlein rocks, and reading in grammar or hs will probably land you in Gitmo.
And heaven forbid one were to assign "Bio of a Space Tyrant"
SPOILER ALERT
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could it have been the fight in the shower? Peter's animal torture?
Did Valentine get her period in the book?
That the aliens are called 'buggers'?
[there's a whole tangent on Cards possibly repressed homo sexuality]
I was thinking about when Ender got traded to, uh, whichever army Bonzo ran.
Not porn, totally appropriate for classrooms, etc., but I've always been convinced it's second only to Samuel Delaney in the canon of scifi homoeroticism.
A pretty distant second. Sam Delaney kind of beats you over the head with it.
On that note: Dhalgren. WTF?
It was the 70's, man. You needed pot to enjoy it.
"Card's possibly repressed homosexuality..."
Ah, yes, the old "where there's no smoke there must be fire" argument.
And anti-semites are "repressed Jews", and anti-Communists are really Communists (see "The Manchurian Candidate"). And for that matter, atheists are "repressed Christians". As Chesterton said, try blaspheming Thor.
So, uh, what were the allegedly offending parts of Ender's Game, according to the complaint?
The title obviously. Caused the poor mother to faint at the thought of homosexuality.
She wanted them reading GLSEN's recommended books about first-graders buttfucking each other instead.
I wonder it was the same parent in more than one instance.
..after the mother of a 14-year-old student complained about a "pornographic" book that had been read aloud in class.
Maybe the kid just pops a boner for literature in general.
He's 14. He pops a boner in general.
No, teacher, I REALLY think someone else should go up to the blackboard for that problem...
If you see something, say something.
and you have to say "oh my" in a George Takei voice.
Also acceptable is using the same voice and saying "Hellooooo"
"State law requires that school administrators must notify local law enforcement officers whenever possible criminal activity is alleged."
Let's assume that this was actually pornographic reading material (whatever that means, considering you can read pictures). What crime did the teacher commit?
I'm sure any prosecutor with his eye on re-election or higher office could come up with half a dozen in no time at all.
Distributing restricted content to minors? Its not like you can offer a teenager cigarettes or alcohol either.
lewd and lascivious conduct with a minor
I'm for it.
What the hell? Ender's game was on my school district's approved list. I wrote a book report it and everything for a grade. Why would anyone in the South have a problem with it? This ani't To Kill A Mockingbird, people.
P.S. Xenocide, and Children of the Mind ARE FUCKING WEIRD AS FUCK.
Like the 4chan school district has tough standards.
Hey, I earned that A in AP Trolling.
Read the Shadow series. Those two are going to intersect in the next book. Card just released the newest addition to the Shadow series and man, it's good. You can't help but really love Bean.
But yeah. Weird as fuck.
He's writing the story of first contact with the buggers.....which I hope will be full of John Ringo style carnage.
Yeah, Orson Scott Card's other books could easily qualify as Pornographic (Speaker for the Dead, that thing with the monkey).
But Ender's Game? How do you figure that?
Then there's the whole child-pyramid-sundae-with-a-cherry-on-top scene in Hart's Hope.
"This is the third time in recent months that police were notified of an alleged incident by a parent before the school district reported it to law enforcement."
My money is with Joe M.....betting it was the same parent each time.
"Luckily, the teacher won't face charges and the police investigation is already closed."
Luck has nothing to do with it. The DA decided the firestorm of negative publicity would negatively affect his ability to get re-elected.
Well, the school district clearly made a questionable judgment call in this case. However, it is still better that school districts be making choices like this than the parents, because most parents have proven unable to properly make such determinations about what is appropriate for their children, that's why the state must get involved. Whether you libertards can accept it or not, it does take a village.
Weak, WEAK spoof.
Well, the school district certainly shouldn't have bowed to this wingnut's puritanical attempts at censorship. It just goes to show professionally accredited public educators are way better at knowing what's good for the kids than their parents are. Home schools and private schools ought to be outlawed, and all public schools ought to be turned into mandatory year-round boarding schools, with parental visitation being a privilege that can be revoked whenever anything like this happens.
You know, it is really hard to tell the real Tony from the spoof Tonys.
I'm going 2 will get you 3 on the latter in this case.
Well, clearly it took a village to raise your village idiot ass.
Then again, I'm going to assume this is a spoof.
? Is any white person's right an individual or collective right?
? Is the right to take a negative or positive right?
"[The Native Americans] didn't have any rights to the land ... Any white person who brought the element of civilization had the right to take over this continent."
~Ayn Rand, US Military Academy at West Point, March 6, 1974
I ask you libertardians again:
Is any white person's right an individual or collective right?
Is the right to take a negative or positive right?
"[The Native Americans] didn't have any rights to the land ... Any white person who brought the element of civilization had the right to take over this continent."
~Ayn Rand, US Military Academy at West Point, March 6, 1974
I ask you Libertards again: Is any white person's right an individual or collective right? Is the right to take a negative or positive right?
"[The Native Americans] didn't have any rights to the land ... Any white person who brought the element of civilization had the right to take over this continent."
~Ayn Rand, US Military Academy at West Point, March 6, 1974
I ask you Libertards again: Is any white person's right an individual or collective right? Is the right to take a negative or positive right?
Stupid Ayn Rand quote goes here
I ask you again: Is any parent's right an individual right or a collective right?
Is the right to avoid Ender's Game a negative right or a positive right?
Your Ayn Rand quote goes here
I ask you libertards again:
1. Is any parent's right an individual right or a collective right?
2. Is the right to avoid Ender's Game a negative right or a positive right?
"The enemy's gate is down!" -Bean
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To conclude, argle bargle only where bargle argle bargle; argle bargle notwithstanding!
(Yes, the argle bargle pun bargle argle bargle was intended! 🙂 )
That was Ender, dumbass. Bean said "Remember, the enemy's gate is down." There's a huge contextual difference in these lines.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bean_(Ender's_Game)
I will dismember your corpse so that you will not be free to gambol in the afterlife.
Yeah, I think 'Tony' is finally dead/ jumped the shark.
You need to conjure up another personality to troll with. We have all caught on to that one. Try a socon troll this time.
We don't accept your fascist pig-headed fucktard comments either, you Nazi swine.
I read Ender's Game as 40-something adult and thought it was a pretty good book.
I guess that just proves that all engineers are repressed adolescents.
Enders Game is the engineer's Twilight.
I've never read Ender's Game, but I highly doubt the book is bad enough to warrant that comparison. I demand you take it back.
OK, I'll take it back. Having never actually read the book, I have no view.
That said, I hear it is fantastic, and I will be purchasing it soon so I can read it and then pass it off to my kids right after they get through Fahrenheit 451 and Starship Troopers.
But you were admitting to have read the twilight series correct?
[hangs head in shame]
But, but, but when it came out I had a tween-aged daughter. And I swear, I only went to see the first two movies.
I suffered through it when it first came out. Unbelievably dull, and the "surprise" ending was absolutely no surprise.
I just don't get the Card Cult, I really don't. Now Heinlein, there's a writer.
I don't like Card's other stuff, but Ender's Game was the first scifi book I read. Starship Troopers was the second, and 2001 was the third. Obviously (I'm on Reason) Heinlein stuck with me a lot more then Clarke or Card.
Ender's Game is a good book, but highly overrated. I have read hundreds of better books.
I found the descriptions of the children's battle tactics especially galling, as when I was that age all of us kids had a much better understanding of tactics.
You're a cruel bastard 😉
False.
I thought it was good, too, though it befuddles me that it is often listed as one of the great all-time science fiction novels. No, it isn't.
The truth machine was a much better book, even though I disagree with the entire concept.
The Problem with the Truth Machine was not the concept, which I found interesting. It was the authors' blatant pushing of his own Liberal worldview, which I found ...irritating.
If you read it at 12 it is one that just resonates. Objectively, it may not be, but I've been using "the enemy's gate is down" as a mantra when I'm stuck on a problem for 20 years.
That one stuck with me too
Yes. Ender's Game is an averagely-good science fiction novel. Genius it ain't.
"The Golden Age of Science Fiction is 12"
--David Hartwell (if memory serves right)
By the way, not only engineers and STEM-y folks read/write sci-fi.
Jus' sayin'
Look man, Your can listen to Jimi but you can't hear him.
Heh.
Well, as a linguist (and conlang fanatic), I do appreciate Tolkien on a certain level that most don't.
Nevertheless, I cut my teeth on the hardest of hard sci-fi. Even though I chose a career path that wasn't in the sciences, all that reading shaped my worldview in a way that I can appreciate the logical, analytic problem-solving hero. And I'll duel to the death any man who says otherwise.
Besides, my type get enough bones thrown at us with stuff like Embassytown or the Guild of Xenolinguists.
My wee stay-at-home mother introduced me to Asimov and Clarke before I was out of grade school. So I completed the robot novels and childhood's end long before getting to high school.
I can't wait until my daughter is old enough to read I, Robot or some of Clarke's short stories, like "The Nine Billion Names of God".
Yeah, I wonder about these age-appropriateness-determining state educators. I was reading Asimov and Clark while in elementary school as well, and found science fiction to be a perfect entry into "grown up" literature. Certainly much better than the state-approved route of reading plays.
Who the heck enjoys reading something that was written to be performed on stage? I found the Greek tragedies and Shakespeare to be unenjoyable and often inscrutable. Why subject kids to that sort of crap when there is great literature available that was actually intended to be read to be enjoyed?
I force myself to read Mieville because his worlds are so completely different and awesome, but I've never really enjoyed one of his books. I just don't get his story arcs.
+1
Tried a second book and quit.
Yeah. Me too. I also thought that Speaker for the Dead and Xenocide were fairly good.
Stories like this make being logically consistent challenging. Intellectually I believe the state should mind it's own business. Emotionally, any parent who objects to their children reading Ender's Game has no business having children.
I read most of the comments to the articles on the Aiken newspaper website. Apparently the kid told his mom the teacher was reading some story about a prostitute getting a facial or multiple facials or something. This is what really happened according to one commentator who is probably the child's mother. I say that because this "fletcher" person was the only one constantly talking about how the mother was so brave yadda yadda yadda.
Holy shit! The teacher assigned Wiggin's Bukkake as a class reading?
I meant to add that none of the other children in the class could/would verify the complaining student's story.
RALPH: Mrs. Krabapple and Principal Skinner were in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies and the baby looked at me.
The mystery is solved!
Apparently the kid told his mom the teacher was reading some story about a prostitute getting a facial or multiple facials or something.
So obviously this kid has been watching a little porn outside the class.
Or in the class, hidden between the pages of the book. You know, like, whatever.
Stepping back, this is yet another indictment of the public school system. No one really has control over where their kids go to school, or who teaches them, so disagreements like this will continue to pop up over and over.
Sorry, don't buy that argument. If the family wanted to, they can have his kid moved to a different class if they really wanted to.
Unless only one teacher teaches that class, or the school administration refuses, or the other teacher option is just as bad or worse. If those are the case, I guess the parents can move to a different school zone.
Why it is so important that parents have to move if they want their kids to go to a different public school is beyond me.
Searching for "Aiken, south carolina charter schools" produces two charter schools in the first page of google.
So they don't have to move.
Stepping back, do you really think this kid would be better off if his mom was teaching him? Public school is a lot better than home school in this case.
My point is, she could teach her kid creationism without forcing on the rest of the students, and she could have him read the porn-filled bible without getting a teacher potentially fired and jailed for reading the porn-filled Ender's Game.
She can't force creationism on public school kids because it's illegal to teach creationism in public schools.
Another advantage.
Public schools can force kids to look at anything the buttfucking secular humanist priesthood in power want them to while forcing all you damned straight parental-rights-supporting taxpayers to pay for it, which is another advantage. Long live the government schools! I really wish I had one of your losertardians' six-year-olds in my class right now so I could holster my dick in him right in front of you and have you jailed for a homophobe if you protest!
Not believing in evolution is a hate crime!
"skip to the spots where the spine is creased"
umm, on my used copy: Chapter 6 (page 54), page 93, and the beginning of Chapter 14 "Ender's Teacher" OMG I GET IT NOW!
Makes me think of the time I picked up a book on some experimental school and it opened naturally to a chapter on Masturbation.
Ender's Game is porn. Pizza is a vegetable.
There was a WSJ article the other day that argued we need to change the sexual terms we take from Baseball. (1st base, 2nd base, etc.) To Pizza, because everyone likes Pizza!
Maybe it was one of the later books. Speaker of the Mind has incest, adultery, etc. Xenocide and Children of the Mind has body swapping, masturbation, arguable pedophilia, and most importantly, it was all written by a Mormon.
It's not part of that series, but Worms has tentacle rape in it.
Wyrms, and it was a completely fucked up book. Cannibalism, too.
It's been a LONG time since I read it, and I wasn't sure about the name.
Considering the number of shut-in nerds who fetishize this book, porn is probably not such a bad description.
Wow, rho, you're like sooooo cool and Alpha as Fuck.
I'm sorry high school was so difficult for you.
Projection much?
Now show me on this Ender doll where the bad man touched you.
I read it in 9th grade for my English class and enjoyed it, though not as much as I would Heinlein later.
That being said, I can understand a parent objecting to the violence in the book. Ender does kill two people with his bare hands and is savagely beaten by Mazer Rackham when they first meet.
Ender's Game didn't exist when I was in ninth grade, but I read every book the library by Heinlein, Clarke, and Asmimov in by the end of my sophomore year.
In 9th grade, we were reading Shakespearean tragedies, including bloody Macbeth.
Us to. And not enjoying it at all. I had no idea what was really going on until I saw the play performed on stage. The language and double-meanings are much less inscrutable when coupled with physical performances. Not sure why they choose to teach English literature in chronological order. Just because Shakespeare comes first doesn't mean that it is a good entry point to literature. I suppose they would have started with Chaucer, except for the dirty bits. So we read that as seniors. Talk about porn.... (and bad porn at that)
The other gateway drug book I indulged in right around the same time was The Fountainhead
So what happened?
Oh, and speaking of porn in books read by kids, I read a shitload of Piers Anthony from ages 10-14 or so back in the 80s. Talk about a dirty old man.
Looking back, I realize that I always loved the "complete collapse of society" scenarios - The Lord of the Flies, Battlestar Galactica, Graham Greene's The Destroyers.
Of course, I hated the ending of The Lord of the Flies - basically adults saying "look what happens when we're not around"
Really? I thought that was the exact opposite takeaway -- the whole story took place during World War II, the dead pilot is a key bit of the story, and he's detritus from the war, even their rescuers are from the military IIRC. The adults were all doing the exact same thing.
Right, if I were analyze it today, then I would come to that conclusion.
I remember my 7th grade teacher spinning it as "look what happens when you have society collapse and there's no government."
Agree. It's a warship that rescues them. That's the whole point.
One of my favorites is Heinlein's 'Tunnel in the Sky'. It's like the reverse of Lord of the Flies. Instead of descneding into anarchy, the kids build a healthy functioning society.
I read this book for ninth grade and I can't put into words how much I love the whole series.
I've memorized that book basically, but I can't actually recall when there would be a "naughty" scene. Maybe when Petra's walking around the Salamander barracks naked? But that part's not descriptive in any way...
The poor woman probably confused the book with "Rear-Enders Gay-Me vol V"... which is partly about Warty.
Lord of the Cock Rings is actually pretty non-pornographic, surprisingly.
http://vodpod.com/watch/212007.....-cockrings
I think I saw some LotR porn parody that was pretty funny... not that one though.
Ender's Game is awesome... and I don't remember anything pornographic in the book... maybe I should read it again.
Also, aren't there more "pornographic" scenes in Twilight?
It's got naked little kids beating each other up in a shower! S&M!
But no butt secks! Damn it, Card, why couldn't you put any butt secks in it!? You homophobe!
Abolish the wages system
Mormon writers produce the best erotica. The she was, in her dress that was completely immodest, waiting on a ride
Katherine, I think you discount the lagging emotional development of boys. I enjoyed Ender's game quite thoroughly when I discovered it in my early 20's!
Aiken. My folks live there. Very Conservative. Enough said.
Who is the parent, and can we terminate her?
She was a Democrat, and no, you can't terminate her until we get the Freedom Of Retroactive Contraception Act (FORCA) through Congress and signed into law.
uh, Ender's game actually IS porn.
http://plover.net/~bonds/ender.html
So, what did you think of Dune then?
Dune? Dude, that was like a self-pity-porn all-you-can-rape buffet!
Well, the central character is a young man, who just happens to be a super being messiah, who is super amazing at everything, but has to hide in the desert from the evil bullies whi oppress him, until he like, becomes an amazing military leader and rises up and defeats them.
I'm sure there's nothing in there that that might appeal to the emotions of an adolescent boy. Nothing at all.
"But then again, if you get your jollies from self-pity, you are sick and need help. The same goes for geek revenge fantasies. This is the real problem with Ender's Game: it's not just porn, it's sick porn. Whatever one might say about porn that fetishises sex, at least sex is a healthy and natural impulse, at least sex is usually a pleasant thing. The fetishes of Ender's Game, by contrast, are not healthy."
In short, you kids today are spoiled rotten! You need to read a lot less self-pity-porno like Ender's Game and a lot more sex-porno like Reflections of a Rock Lobster!
The reviewer comes off as an anti-gun/military nut who objects to the premise of the story and that Card makes it compelling.
Why would a Libertarian be supportive of anything having to do with public skewls?
What would be good titles for Ender-based porn?
- "The Enemies Date Goes Down"
- "Mazer's Rack, Hmn"
- "The Giant's Dick"
- "Boner-so Does Madrid"
- "Sleeper With the Dead"
I remember a history teacher in our high school getting in trouble for showing the movie Gandhi. The pricipal said it was too violent.
Is there no internet in South Carolina?
stupid parent only reads headlines.
http://plover.net/~bonds/ender.html That is the article the parent saw, but didn't actually read.