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Senators Rand Paul, Jim DeMint, Mike Lee Unveil Plan That Balances Budget in Five Years and "fixes Medicare in its entirety"

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Toldja!

From the press release:

Sen. Rand Paul today unveiled his FY2013 budget, "A Platform to Revitalize America," a plan that would balance the budget in five years, significantly reduce spending, and restore fiscal order to Washington. […]

"Americans deserve not only to have the debt reduced, but to have every taxpayer dollar spent more wisely. While Washington continues to spend recklessly and ignore the ever-growing deficit, I am offering a plan that will address this country's looming debt crisis in a truly timely manner—balancing the budget in just five years," Sen. Paul said. "The time has come for a change that will restore fiscal order in this country, and I will do everything in my power to ensure that this happens."

"The biggest problem facing the nation right now is the out-of-control spending and borrowing. The Budget Control Act doesn't address the underlying problems, and it's been well over 1,000 days since Senate Democrats passed a budget. I stand behind anyone who is willing to confront this issue through a serious proposal that will put us on the path toward a balanced budget," Sen. Lee said.

"This balanced budget makes the commonsense decision that we've got to stop spending more than we're bringing in," said Senator DeMint. "Already, what was once considered unthinkable has occurred: the creditworthiness and economic outlook of the United States of America has been downgraded. This is more than a national embarrassment, it's an indication that the world is losing confidence in America's ability to pay our bills and of our government to change course. This budget shows we can stop the debt crisis, improve our economy, expand freedom, and secure the future for our children and grandchildren."

Watch Nick Gillespie and I interview Rand Paul and then Jim DeMint, below:

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  1. Might want to check in on the title for this piece on the main blog. Plam

    1. I like this new word. Plam.

  2. Magical asterisks the size of an exploding Death Star.

    1. Are you sure it’s not “draconian” cuts?

      1. They reduced the rate of increase in the defense budget from 15% to 10%? Those unbelievable bastages!

        1. Hahaha! Now we can finally implement our jihad against The Great Satan. Death to USA! Allah akbar!

  3. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  4. Yeah I’ll bet they “fix” Medicare.

  5. I thought this was a libertarian magazine, not a Tea Party rag.

    1. For a magazine called Reason
      Yam I right or yam I right?
      (D’you remember a chick named “Postrel”?)

      1. what’s the difference?

        They’re all Randroidish Gambol Lockdown Fundamentalists.

        http://exiledonline.com/atlas-…..nds-heart/

        1. Ames and Levine? Are you fucking serious? They have about as much integrity as Howard Stern.

          1. You be making Stern stern.

    2. What do you mean tea party? That movement started out pretty liberterian, then there was a huge republican clusterfuck to join the movement. Now, just like the republican party, the tea party no longer represents a coherent political philosophy.

    3. Yeah, why would any libertarian care about or support a balanced budget?

      I is confused.

    4. I thought this was a libertarian magazine, not a Tea Party rag.

      Kochtopus Cosmotarians here, of course. Where did you think you were, LvM?

  6. The Tony spoof is smarter than the real Tony. Any doubters?

    1. “Tony” is spoofers, all the way down.

      1. I think the “original Tony” is an editor.
        Reason had to fill the joe vacuum.

        1. I miss joe… every once and a while I’d actually agree with him.

          Tony… not so much.

          1. I discovered a stupid joe thread when searching for Jonah Goldberg info. What is there to miss?

          2. For awhile, I made a point of agreeing with joe once a week. It was like doing God’s work in some of the toughest neighborhoods, so I quit.

            1. You should get student loan forgiveness for that.

        2. I think so, too.

        3. Vacuum? What vacuum? People are so weird.

        4. I thought “Tony” was the pen name used by whatever liberal college kid was bringing up whatever generic liberal/progressive talking point applied to the article the comment was posted on.

          1. CE|3.15.12 @ 6:43PM|#
            “I thought “Tony” was the pen name used by whatever liberal college kid was bringing up whatever generic liberal/progressive talking point applied to the article the comment was posted on.”

            Could be, but if that’s the case, they are all amazingly apt at the same logical failures and same general dishonesty.

            1. They teach that in college

              1. And if u think its bad in state universities, try going to Devry.

        5. The original Tony appeared long before Joe left.

        6. I don’t have the patience to slog through old threads right now but someone found a Myspace or Facebook page of a Tony that arguably fit the profile of what is known of Tony a few years ago – Gay liberal douche supposedly from Oklahoma. I still doubt that Tony is real though.

    2. The soft bigotry of low expectations.

  7. 5 years? Cowards!

  8. Watch Nick Gillespie and I….
    Tsk, tsk, tsk.

    1. For a person called “editor…”

    2. The subject is an implicit “You.” “Nick Gillespie and me” is an object. Thus “me” is appropriate, not “I.”

  9. “Paul is evil and anathema to all that is great about America because he’s a racist, misogynist Tea Bagger” in 3…2…1…

    1. First they ignore you, then they fight you, then they something something…

  10. I don’t want MC and SS fixed, I want them gone and buried. Leaving them alive just allows future politicians to bloat them up again and put us right back in the same mess. Any solution other than a allowing young people like me to opt out and transitioning everyone else off is unacceptable.

    1. transitioning everyone else off

      I don’t like the sound of that, Sonny.

    2. I’m a yung’un and will never see SS. I’m afraid I’m too used to the idea of being screwed. It’s internalized.

      1. But isn’t it just so much fun to watch that part of your paycheck disappear??

        1. Best two fridays of every month!

          1. It’s even better when you only get paid once a month. That shit really hurts when you see it all at once.

      2. That’s the way we like it.

        If you don’t resist, it will be so much pleasanter for both of us.

      3. The thing with the AARP is that their political power is derived from old people giving a shit while young people don’t.

        If the elderly end up sucking the lifeblood of anyone under 60 enough, the whole ponzi scheme will collapse pretty fast. SS is a promise from a government; ask the Indians what that is worth when the majority of voters don’t care to honor the promise.

        1. toxic|3.15.12 @ 6:23PM|#
          “The thing with the AARP is that their political power is derived from old people giving a shit while young people don’t.”

          They also represent the wealthiest demographic, which means they’re not lacking for money to pay the lobbyists.

      4. won’t be getting my ss, still have to pay back federal student loans… fuck my tits

    3. neither party has the political will to eliminate them and I doubt there is much sentiment in the public for that, either. Some folks just want back what they have put in, others will demand a safety net for the truly needy, fill in with another excuse/rationalization/justification.

      1. Which is why I prefer the status quo over “fixing” it. I’m going to have to pay the taxes either way. At least with the status qup the system will collapse faster and I can stop paying.

        1. That’s pretty silly. This is NEVER how it goes down. The collapse will probably be used to implement more government. Best to play it safe and reform. So we don’t go bacnkrupt.

          1. I don’t share your optimism about avoiding bankruptcy before I die.

            1. I don’t share your optimism that bankruptcy will lead to smaller government.

      2. Oh, there’s plenty of sentiment to kill of Socialist Security and Meh-dicare, but the problem is that old people vote, and young people don’t.

        1. It’s worse than that actually, in that there a more older people than there are younger ones.

  11. “Defense” spending?

    1. Tom Woods makes a good point.

      It’s only offense when They do it, say the “moral absolutists.” Making them the real moral relativists.

    2. It was much more honest when they called it “The Department of War”.

    3. Rand Paul proposed a budget to go along with this that balances in 5 years. It INCLUDES a REUDUCTION in defense spending. I’m beginning to think you stupid fucks don’t pay attention to anything but yourselves

      1. God damn you are a fucking retard.

        Let me break it down for you: Not Sure put defense in quotation marks because many people would argue that what we do with our military is offense, not defense.

        Get it now you stupid fuck? kthxby

  12. The Budget Control Act doesn’t address the underlying problems, and it’s been well over 1,000 days since Senate Democrats passed a budget.

    Really, a statement this stupid makes me want to strangle the idiot who said it.

    No, the budget passed in August doesn’t fix anything but it IS A BUDGET that cuts spending.

    1. the budget passed in August

      Strangle yourself. You are the idiot.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2…..ral_budget

      1. Congress imposed budget cuts in Aug 2011. Obama signed off.

        Fuck the semantics. That is a budget.

        1. Fuck the semantics

          Longer Shriek: “The words I use don’t have any meaning”

          Yes, we have noticed that many words do not mean what you think they mean.

        2. shrike|3.15.12 @ 6:13PM|#
          “Fuck the semantics. That is a budget.”

          *Four* legs, shriek, count ’em, 4. No one cares about your made-up definitions.

          1. Did you lose your left-anarchist to English translator?

        3. Fuck the semantics. That is a budget.

          Tell that to your State’s Department of Revenue when your city or county tries to do the same thing.

          But fuck it its the federal government right. They need no definitions and rules.

          1. That’s our shrike… he just can’t help but defend Obama.

        4. Keep sucking that Team Blue cock shrike, it never gets old.

    2. a statement this stupid makes me want to strangle the idiot who said it.

      Yes! Strike down the unbelievers, my son!

    3. I remember saying a while back that I sort of enjoyed Shriek’s fucktard unrestrained insanity. I take that back. He is worse than Tony and should’ve been aborted. I went there.

  13. UNC Asheville had me going there for a second.

    1. 62-56.

      I like disruption and self-imposed parity in things.

      A 16 beating a 1 would be delicious.

      1. It would if I picked Syracuse to lose in the first round. But I did not.

    2. TIME HAS RESUMED ITS SHAPE. ALL IS AS IT WAS BEFORE. MANY SUCH JOURNEYS ARE POSSIBLE. LET ME BE YOUR GATEWAY.

  14. Eliminates unnecessary bureaucracy
    Eliminates:
    ? Department of Commerce

    ? Department of Education (preserves Pell grants)

    ? Department of Housing and Urban Development

    ? Department of Energy (transfers nuclear research and weapons to Department of Defense)

    o Privatizes Transportation Security Agency

    Repeals Obamacare and Dodd-Frank
    Opens Arctic National Wildlife Refuge for oil and gas exploration
    Permits the Keystone XL Pipeline project

    Wow, it’s SURE to pass!

    Jesus, why did you even link to this?

    1. let’s consider that list in terms of reality:
      –Keystone will happen at some point, even if Obama is re-elected since he will no longer care what the enviros think (as if he did to start with)
      –exploration somewhere, Arctic or elsewhere, is likely too since there is no green/renewable/sustainable energy source in existence yet
      –SCOTUS may well solve Obamacare with the decision on the mandate; otherwise, crapshoot
      –privatizing TSA makes too much sense
      –the rest is white noise; how long have we heard about shuttering departments?

      1. The noise is why any person in opposition to cuts will dismiss the whole thing.

    2. What about selling off all those “refuges” and grand parks all together?

      1. You do see the wisdom of legalizing pot before you try to legalize cocaine vending machines right?

        Incrementalism is hard.

        1. The wisdom? No, although the tactic seems quite effective with everything but freedom.

    3. Why not just use his dad’s budget? That one balances the budget in THREE years, not five.

      1. I would imagine because he needed co-sponsors.

        also, to seem like he had his own ideas.

    4. Jesus, why did you even link to this?

      Fappage.

  15. I preemptively love all of the complaints about this proposal. Let’s continue to do nothing and make sure that America gets all Greecy.

    1. In politics you have to master the art of the possible. If you propose to Congress the summary elimination of 4 cabinet level departments, you have just wasted your time. It’s the equivalent of doing nothing.

      1. “The art of the possible” is total, absolute, bullshit. Politics needs to get back into the little box we made for it back in 1789. That isn’t happening by incremental little steps that make everyone happy.

        Our economy is a disaster, too.

        1. Because it makes total sense for a 21st century world to be governed by a system set up in the 18th century. The founders were gods and everything they set up was perfect.

          1. Tony|3.15.12 @ 6:02PM|#
            “Because it makes total sense for a 21st century world to be governed by a system set up in the 18th century. The founders were gods and everything they set up was perfect.”

            Shorter shithead:
            Freedom is obsolete!

          2. You might want to look up a few concepts, such as “the rule of law” and “lawful government” and “Constitutional Amendments, process”.

            1. Don’t get him going on “enumerated powers” or the Tenth Amendment. He’ll blow a seal.

          3. That’s why we need to govern it with a system like the one I set up two thousand years ago!

        2. Politics needs to get back into the little box we made for it back in 1789.

          The people who wrote the constitution may have said they wanted a small government but they sure as hell didn’t write one into the constitution. The constitution is a big government document.

          1. Juice|3.15.12 @ 6:05PM|#
            …”The constitution is a big government document.”

            Commerce Clause, right?

            1. parrots yet more Freeper bullshit

          2. The constitution is a big government document.

            lrn2read

            1. Considering the Founding Fathers started shitting on the document within months of it’s ratification I’d say they decided to leave things ambiguous enough to allow the monster that is the FedGov now.

          3. The constitution is a big government document.

            Lies and bullshit.

  16. Senator Paul, exactly how will your plan to repeal the Civil Rights Act fix Medicare?

    *pretentious shuffling of papers sound effect*

    1. Hey, you stole my move!

      1. She is such a cunttwatbitchwhoreslut.

        1. Edgy that it goes from more to less severe.

    2. If someone did the EXACT fucking thing you wanted the earth would split and you’d get what you really want. What the fuck is wrong with you pessimistic idiots

      1. Needs more gamboling.

  17. I am reminded of that scene in M.A.S.H. (the real one, shown in theaters) wherein Hot Lips Houlihan runs out of what’s-his-names tent screeching, “MY COMMISSION! Resign my COMMISSION?!”

    Why?

    Figger it out.

    1. TV series used to played on stage before there was TV?

  18. o Sells off excess federal properties and land

    Holy fuck!!

    1. oh wait…

      Never mind…when i first read that i thought it said “all excess”

      My bad.

  19. It’s the equivalent of doing nothing.

    No, it isn’t you fucking retard. YOU are advocating “doing nothing” by actually advocating… DOING NOTHING.

    1. ^THISSITY THIS^^. Learn to love achieving stuff in steps. ‘Thermodynamics of freedom’ if you will. If an Objectivist can stomach steps, you can.

  20. “Term limits would solve most of our problems.”

    Yes.

    1. with term limits

      just as soon as Jesus returns in the clouds

      1. term limits wouldn’t solve shit, we tried that in CA, it just makes the party more powerful.

        1. No, you’re state is just dumb enough that it doesn’t make a difference. For the country and most other states, term limits are mega win.

        2. but thanks for the assist

        3. Imagine the Senate without Hatch, Graham, Luger, Collins, and the rest. On the other side, no Rockefeller, Leahy, Boxer, Lautenberg, Feinstein, Reid. What a better country.

          1. You’re assuming their replacements would be better.

          2. Or Dingell. My father ran against him last year. Talk about an entrenched institution.

            1. Your dad’s a good dude. I saw him speak at U of M a couple times. Nothing more he could have done in that hopeless town.

  21. Because it makes total sense for a 21st century world to be governed by a system set up in the 18th century.

    Humankind has been steadily, if not rapidly, devolving for the last 250 years. What was once possible: self-reliance, personal responsibility, local solutions to local problems, all have ceased to be possible.

    Without government to do it, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

    1. Because it makes total sense for a 21st century world to be governed by a system set up in the 18th century.

      Well according to Ezra Kline the constitution is only a 100 years old so we are cool right?

      also:

      Karl Heinrich Marx (5 May 1818 ? 14 March 1883)

      Finally the Beatles will always be better then Radio Head, and the 1911 is a perfect thing.

      1. Thank God for Browning.

        1. Oh God I’m Coming Again Like Jesus!!!

      2. My favorite Battelefield: Bad Company 2 pistol by far!

  22. This budget would also require the countries that we assist to begin providing more funding to their own defense. European, Asian, and Middle Eastern countries have little incentive to increase their own military budgets, or take control of regional security, when the U.S. has consistently subsidized their protection.

    nice

    1. joshua corning|3.15.12 @ 6:08PM|#
      “This budget would also require the countries that we assist to begin providing more funding to their own defense…”

      Post WWII, the ‘justification’ for the US as world policeman was our supposed monopoly on nuclear weapons.
      Long gone, and like most government programs, the mission remains long after the reason has ceased to exist.
      If the Bear wants to eat France, why let France defend itself.

      1. Just for clarification i was not being sarcastic. I support ending our occupation of Germany and Japan.

        1. joshua corning|3.15.12 @ 6:50PM|#
          “Just for clarification i was not being sarcastic.”

          Didn’t think you were, just carrying the ammo for you.

  23. Extensive quotation of Hayek on page 31 of the plan under Department of Education.

    One such quote:

    “The very magnitude of the power over men’s minds that a highly centralized and government-dominated system of education places in the hands of the authorities ought to make one hesitate before accepting it too readily.”
    –F.A. Hayek, Nobel Prize Economist

    1. Or don’t bother to hesitate, and just don’t accept it at all.

  24. And this-

    Privatizes Transportation Security Agency

    pisses me off. Don’t “fix” it; don’t “privatize” it; abolish it.

    1. Isn’t the most stringently constitutionalistic/libertarian thing about Rand an explicit hatred for bloat and alphabet agencies? I’m betting some of those half-way freedom-increasing things are half-way because he wants at least SOME chance of his plan passing. Otherwise, he’s certain to be completely fucked.

    2. If they privatize it I think that it will disappear and only the essential functions that the airlines really need will be left as their security measures evolve.

    3. It totally sucks, but if individual airports or airlines wanted to have their own security that was exactly the same as TSA that should be their prerogative. Of course it’s my prerogative to say fuck you I’m flying with those guys that don’t want to rape my 2 year old.

  25. Wonderful rhetoric = where’s the beef?

    I’m glancing over the details and im not really blown away. Re: “Progressive indexing” of social security?

    The Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) formula willbe modified between 2018 and 2055 to graduallyreduce benefits on a progressive basis for workerswith career-average earnings above the 40th percentile of new retired workers

    This is basically saying that those who put the most in, get nothing out. They don’t need it! Kind of a little ‘fuck you’ to the middle class if you ask me.

    Medicare? Even better =

    This section will be updated, with greater details provided, after the bill is introduced inMarch 2012.

    Its a 90% blank page. Basically, “We don’t fucking know! We’re still thinking!”

    1. Got a suggestion on how to say ‘means testing’ without the AARP shitting in their collective depends? I’ll bet Paul Jr. would be forever in your debt if you gave him a good one.

    2. Yeah, looking at the document, it doesn’t seem to deliver on the claims. Maybe unicorn rainbow farts are gonna fix medicare.

    3. There’s no money. It doesn’t matter if you think people who paid Social Security taxes should or shouldn’t get a tax-funded pension when they’re older. There’s no money. Morality is not the same as math, because there’s no money. Want your benefits? Fuck you, says math, because there’s no money.

      Lots of people were planning to retire on the money Madoff promised them. But there was no money.

      Math is a real prick sometimes.

  26. There is no need to “fix” Medicare or SS. All we need to do is let the Bush tax cuts expire, then Medicare and SS will be entirely solvent and sustainable forever.

    The fact that you libertards want to dismantle this safety net in order to protect these tax cuts that are somehow necessary for freedom speaks volumes. Besides, it’s not like any of you will see your taxes go up if the Bush tax cuts expire.

    1. Tony, as a citizen is it responsible or irresponsible to provide for your own retirement?

      Have you provided for your own retirement?

      I did not think so.

      You don’t want a safety net, you want others to pay your way.

      1. Since many Americans are unemployed, underemployed or barely able to pay their bills, it is unrealistic to say they can save for the future, especially enough to pay for retirement, which could last for decades.

        But, the rich need that extra 4%, so let those people starve.

        1. IT TAKES MORE

          THAN FUCKING SOMEONE YOU DON’T KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

          TO KEEP YOURSELF WARM

        2. Since many Americans are unemployed, underemployed

          So we only need to provide retirement for 10% of the work force rather then 100%?

          I am cool with that….and apparently you are cool with that as well so we can actually cut taxes now to pay for that small number of retirees.

          Problem solved.

          1. You only addressed two of the three groups I mentioned. Re-read my post, and we will talk.

            1. OK, shithead, define “barely able to pay their bills”.

              1. I had to lay off the upstairs maid to pay for the gardening bill of my villa on St. Thomas. I’m barely paying the damned bills.

            2. And I took out a loan on a house I couldn’t afford hoping to flip it. And now, I can’t pay the mortgage!

        3. Tony|3.15.12 @ 6:41PM|#
          “Since many Americans are unemployed, underemployed”

          Define “underemployed” shithead.

          1. People whose vote we need to buy.

        4. Tell us how four cents on the dollar will magically wipe all our problems away, Tony.

          On the other hand… don’t. You’ll just spout more wealth-envy bullshit.

    2. … then Medicare and SS will be entirely solvent and sustainable forever

      Math is hard…. dont make me look at numbers…

      1. I’m with ya on that G. I’m a teacher, Tony, show your work.

    3. So why didn’t Obama let the “Bush” tax cuts expire? Does Bush come around every year or two and renew them or something?

      1. So why didn’t Obama let the “Bush” tax cuts expire?

        Hmmmm…I wonder.
        http://www.house.gov/house/Con…..ution.html

        1. Neu Mejican (~_?)|3.15.12 @ 7:13PM|#
          “So why didn’t Obama let the “Bush” tax cuts expire?
          Hmmmm…I wonder.”

          First, you really ought to pass that along to Obama; pretty sure he’s never seen it.
          Secondly, you mean Obama didn’t *force* his death-panel legislation through?
          Are you being ‘selective’ or dense?

          1. Sevo, sevo, sevo,

            The emotional monomania is amusing and all, but do you have a point?

            1. Neu Mejican (~_?)|3.15.12 @ 7:22PM|#
              “Sevo, sevo, sevo,
              The emotional monomania is amusing and all, but do you have a point?”

              Neu, neu, neu,
              Yes I do. You are attempting every bit of spin, strawman and general dishonesty in the book.
              Is that clear?

              1. Maybe one needs to talk to a sevo on its own level.

                Sevo is a big fat liar and can’t seem to keep up with a very basic bit of discourse.

                1. Neu Mejican (~_?)|3.15.12 @ 7:33PM|#
                  “Maybe one needs to talk to a sevo on its own level.”

                  Maybe Neu could learn some honesty.
                  Doesn’t all that spinning make you dizzy?

                2. Lets try this, Neu:
                  “Secondly, you mean Obama didn’t *force* his death-panel legislation through?”

                  Now, let’s see an answer.

                  1. Now, let’s see an answer.

                    No. He doesn’t have the power to force congress to do things. Do you think he does?

                    1. Sevo confused by straight answer.
                      It seems to spin in front of him.
                      He can’t make sense of it.
                      He is sure they are trying to trick him somehow.
                      His rage will solve it.
                      Must find the perfect insult to help it all make sense.

                    2. Are Sevo and Tony just sock puppet characters with the same author? It seems so, but you never know.

                    3. Wunder filled|3.15.12 @ 8:00PM|#
                      “Are Sevo and Tony just sock puppet characters with the same author? It seems so, but you never know.”

                      is wunder filled an ignoramus? It seems so, but you never know.

                    4. Neu Mejican (~_?)|3.15.12 @ 7:56PM|#
                      “Sevo confused by straight answer.”

                      Neu incapable of providing a straight answer. Why am I not surprised?

                    5. Neu Mejican (~_?)|3.15.12 @ 7:45PM|#
                      “No. He doesn’t have the power to force congress to do things. Do you think he does?

                      So you’re incapable of answering? Why am I not surprised?

                    6. I’m retarded Derp Derp.

        2. Hmmmm…I wonder.

          2009 and 2010 must have been when that time distorting inter-dimensional thing happened and we all have amnesia of Obama’s party controlling congress.

          1. So, then, was it good or bad for the current congress to extend JGTRRA tax cuts or not? What is the accusation? I thought the discussion was about whether or not the president got to take blame/credit for the work of the congress.

            1. Wunder filled|3.16.12 @ 12:22AM|#
              “I thought the discussion was about whether or not the president got to take blame/credit for the work of the congress.”

              No, dipshit, you were hoping to confuse the issue with your bullshit.

              1. So, then, was it good or bad for the current congress to extend JGTRRA tax cuts or not?

                1. Wunder Filled|3.16.12 @ 12:57AM|#
                  “So, then, was it good or bad for the current congress to extend JGTRRA tax cuts or not?”

                  ANY tax reduction is good.

                  1. But that’s not what they did.
                    They just kept them the same.
                    Why can’t you just answer the question?

        3. You really did forget that the Democrats controlled both Houses and the Presidency when those were extended, didn’t you?

          I bet you forgot that they also had full control when they extended the fat fucking turd that is the Patriot Act too.

    4. Tony|3.15.12 @ 6:33PM|#
      “There is no need to “fix” Medicare or SS. All we need to do is let the Bush tax cuts expire, then Medicare and SS will be entirely solvent and sustainable forever.”

      Shithead, you need a calculator with ‘way more digits.
      Oh, and quit lying.

    5. There is no need to “fix” Medicare or SS. All we need to do is let the Bush tax cuts expire, then Medicare and SS will be entirely solvent and sustainable forever.

      Bush didn’t cut payroll taxes, which fund both of those programs. Obama did.

    6. I know it’s probably been said already, but god damn you are fucking retarded. $3.2 Trillion from the middle and lower class. $3,200,000,000,000 from the bottom 80% and you think that will help us non-rich people?

      Fuck you Tony. Fuck you sooo much.

    7. Bush didn’t cut payroll taxes. Obama did.

  27. Policy Proposal:

    Presidential Rescission Authority
    In these times of budget constraints and deadlocked Congress, Senator John McCain and Representative Paul Ryan have proposed to renew a presidential rescission authority. They argue that it would help end wasteful pork barrel spending. The line item veto power granted by a Newt Gingrich lead House of Representatives to President Clinton was found unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in Clinton v. City of New York, 524 U.S. 417 (1998). However, the Ryan/McCain proposal is different in that it limits the President to only proposing certain items for rescission Congress must then perform an expedited ,up or down, vote on the revised spending package and then the president would sign the new bill if passed.

    I guess that answers the question of whether Rand is running for president in 2020 (2016 if Obama wins…Obama won’t).

    1. The Patriot Act will be amended to allow the President (only in case of a terrorist threat of course) to suspend elections and allow a president to serve more than two terms.

      1. He should be President for Life. We’d be fine with that.

        1. Worked for me!

          Um, until I died, that is…

  28. (contd)

    and the third biggest chunk, ‘regulaton’, gets similar treatment, albeit with more detail. Its first component is forcing regulatory agencies to do cost-benefit analysis. Oh, I’m SURE they’ll discover with shock, “We provide no value! We MUST slash out budgets!

    Thats like an out-of-towner driving into a small town car-repair shop and saying to the mechanic, “Uhh. Its making a noise. Is something wrong?”…and expecting him to go, “Naw man, its *fine*, its just you need a little extra fluid here and you’re good to go! No charge stranger!” Fuck no. You’re not getting out of there without a tune up, oil change, alignment, inspection, and probably some new fucking tires. The system *relies* on the ignorance of most of its customers.

  29. But what about waste, fraud, and abuse?

    1. Without those, we’d only save a tiny amount… like the four percent tax increase we desperately want, which isn’t a tiny amount.

  30. It balances the budget, fixes Medicare…that’s right, it filets, it chops, it dices, slices, never stops, lasts a lifetime, mows your lawn, and it picks up the kids from school. It gets rid of unwanted facial hair, it gets rid of embarrassing age spots. It delivers a pizza, and it lengthens, and it strengthens and it finds that slipper that’s been at large under the chaise lounge for several weeks, and it plays a mean Rhythm Master, it makes excuses for unwanted lipstick on your collar…

    1. Neu Mejican (~_?)|3.15.12 @ 7:05PM|#
      “It balances the budget, fixes Medicare..”

      Scares hell out of you, doesn’t it, Neu? So you had to prove your ignorance by tossing out every strawman you could find.

      1. Dude, you need to listen to better music.

        1. Neu Mejican (~_?)|3.15.12 @ 7:20PM|#
          “Dude, you need to listen to better music.”

          Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuude! You need to learn to read.

          1. I have a sense that Sevo is trying to send me a message with these black digital scribbles, but sadly I can’t decipher them. I also sense he needs to listen to better music.

            1. Neu Mejican (~_?)|3.15.12 @ 7:24PM|#
              ‘reading is sooooooo hard!’

              Thanks.

              1. His scribbles tend to include long strings of repeating symbols. There MUST be a meaning behind that. Or it could just be a reflection of some mental quirk, an obsession of some sort. Maybe I should try these repeating strings on him.

                Betterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Mussssssssssssssssssssssssssssicccccccccccccccccccccccccc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                1. Neu Mejican (~_?)|3.15.12 @ 7:35PM|#
                  ‘I can continue to make funny comments and avoid admitting I’m a liar’

                  Thanks, Neu.

                  1. ‘Cause it forges your signature.
                    If not completely satisfied mail back unused portion of product for complete refund of price of purchase.
                    Please allow thirty days for delivery
                    Don’t be fooled by cheap imitations
                    You can live in it, live in it
                    Laugh in it, love in it
                    Swim in it, sleep in it
                    Live in it, swim in it
                    It removes embarrassing stains from contour sheets. That’s right!
                    And it entertains visiting relatives
                    It turns a sandwich into a banquet…

                    1. More strawmen!
                      How surprising!

        2. Not being an ass, but I’m in the dark too. Could you provide a link or something?

  31. …. So.
    This is what I’d like: SS & MC gone.

    AND everyone who has paid into FICA gets out exactly what they’ve put in.

    That means ~7% of my salary over those many years back to me, and ~7% back to my employer. I think I can find better ways of saving and investing that each year to better my retirement.

    1. Yeah, right. Guess again. Maybe you’ll get 20 cents on the dollar. Maybe. You know, sure-as-shit, the money will go towards union pensions. GM shareholders didn’t even get 10 cents on the dollar, but the unions got their stock, didn’t they?

      1. You idiots really thought the gubmint was a good investment?

  32. Where’s the philosophy?

  33. Thanks for the post on this, Matt. (Hey, if I bitch about not seeing one, I have to give props when I gets it.)

  34. Nice interview.

  35. Nice interview.

  36. nice interview

  37. The biggest problem facing the nation right now is the out-of-control spending and borrowing and the fact that nobody is serious about doing anything about it. Once you accept that defense and SS and Medicare not only cannot and will not be cut but will in fact increase, everything else is small potatoes.

    I can’t wrap my mind around the fact that we are *TRILLIONS* of dollars in debt and have *TENS* of trillions of dollars in liabilities while we have a GDP (all the freaking money we have coming in) of ~15 trillion and people still think tinkering around the edges of the system is going to fix things.

    They are prescribing aspirin for pancreatic cancer.

  38. If dunphy happens upon this thread, maybe we could get him to explain why the city of Seattle would rather shell out $300k this year to settle suits instead of releasing police records. I mean, if they’ve got nothing to hide…oh wait, that’s what they say to us.

    1. Uh, sloopy, I know you have a gripe with Dunphy, but ya know, some threads have a ‘subject’.

  39. And here we have a budget proposal that decreases military spending and a fix for medicare. Do you stupid fucks really think people rely and paid into medicare are going to just scrap the shit? Some of you stupid shits are too fucking stupid to see when you’re making progress

    1. Yeah, you really think Rand Paul has any attributes we like? He’s just another Romney

    2. Needs more gamboling.

  40. Jim Dick Mint.

  41. A dose o’ stoopid from the HuffPo:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..r=Politics

  42. If Senator DeMint is ready to be part of the solution, he should endorse Ron Paul right now.

    -jcr

  43. “commonsense decision that we’ve got to stop spending more than we’re bringing in” it seem that candidates remembers this fact only before election. When the pressures of medi and socials and other government grants becomes reality, the spending and increase borrowing becomes the norm. Most times the load is transferred to the tax payers cushions like the pension funds and other funds. l feel the government should start taking more drastic fiscal policy to their budgeting and sit up to prevent a great depression.

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