Citizenship for Sale: St. Kitts and Nevis, Plus Seasteading
St. Kitts and Nevis is one of only two nations, along with the island of Dominica, that formally sell citizenship ("citizenship-by-investment"). As tax consultants Henley & Partners points out, these West Indies locales are very enticing for libertarians:
The Government grants tax breaks, guaranteed repatriation of profits and concessions on import duties. There are no income or capital gains taxes, no net wealth taxes and no inheritance or gift taxes in St. Kitts & Nevis.
Plus, unlike the Free State Project in frigid New Hampshire, St. Kitts and Nevis are islands in the Caribbean. And Lysander Spooner fans can rejoice: There's even a secession movement for Nevis to split away from St. Kitts.
To become a full-fledged Kittian, future citizens have two options: You can 1) donate at least $250,000 to the Sugar Industry Diversification Fund (a program that assists retired and displaced sugar workers) or 2) buy upwards of $400,000 worth of real estate on those islands. After filing a bit of paperwork and waiting as little as three months, you become a citizen of St. Kitts.
Meanwhile, Dominica has a basic investment price of $75,000, but its passport is less valuable for international travel. In addition, Austria, the home of Hayek, Mises, Schumpeter, and Bruno, has a similar, albeit unofficial citizenship-by-investment program. Austrian citizenship has been offered to those of "extraordinary merit," which can include investing over $10 million in Österreich. But Henley's CEO cautions:
The candidate has to have all the right trimmings…It's been done, it's possible, but it's fairly rare.
In addition to the minimal tax burden, Kittian citizenship is surprisingly useful for globetrotting. Henley & Partners have a Visa Restriction List, which ranks the countries where citizens can travel visa-free. On that list, Austria is 6th, St. Kitts and Nevis is 28th, and Dominica is 54th. (Meanwhile, Denmark, Sweden, and Finland are tied for first, with the United States and Ireland in fifth.) So while Kittians can travel visa-free to fewer countries than Americans, they can still travel to the E.U. and Canada and even visit Cuba for up to three months without a visa.
Since the United States is the only industrialized country that taxes income earned abroad, more Americans are beginning to renounce their citizenship. In the words of one offshore tax attorney:
It's not enough to just move your assets anymore…Today, you have to move your ass.
Back in 2011, 1,788 Americans renounced their citizenship—a sevenfold increase from 2008. However, even those who renounced their American citizenship might still have to pay taxes. (Yes, the IRS is that powerful. Needless to say, always consult an attorney before doing anything that might provoke the wrath of the United States government.)
All this has some intriguing implications for seasteading. Currently in the planning stage, seasteads are ocean-based, self-governing communities popular among libertarians and Peter Thiel. Set in international waters, one goal is to escape the regulatory clutches of the state and experiment with polycentric law. Yet unless American-born seasteaders renounce their citizenship, they would still be liable to pay taxes to the United States. By investing in Kittian or Dominican citizenship, sovereign individuals could obtain some much needed legal protection. (Being completely stateless can be a real burden.)
If there's actually a surge in anarcho-capitalist Kittians, this would be a double irony: Thomas Jefferson's rival and national bank advocate Alexander Hamilton was born on Nevis, while St. Kitts and Nevis are technically still governed by the Queen of England.
Reason on seasteading. The Seasteading Institute on why it won't become Rapture.
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Did you guys see this? Apparently Apple's performance is skewing the stock market.
http://www.appleinsider.com/ar.....dexes.html
The most interesting bit is that YOY 4Q growth is 6.6% with Apple but only 2.8% without. Obama better be sending a thank you card to the fruit company for making the economy seem a lot rosier than it actually is.
OK but stock market performance isn't necessarily indicative of economic performance... hell inflation can cause the stock marget to "grow"...
I recognize that I probably should just lighten up a little bit and enjoy the fresh air and sunshine outside, but lately I'm more and more disturbed by the leviathan nature of the U.S. federal government, especially tax policy.
You really really cannot get away, they literally think that everything you own is yours only by their grace, and even if you're a citizen that doesn't stop the long arm of the military from coming down on you if you piss off the wrong people.
And what's sad is that most Americans think worrying about this kind of stuff is CRA-zy!
Damn, another one, and so late on a Friday. Look, WT, why can't you just enjoy the titties and beer like a good little subject and not worry your little head about what we do to protect you.
Not only that, they think they own you. If they think they can still tax you even if you renounce your citizenship, that means they think they own you, and therefore all the products of your labor.
It's fucking amazing what they get away with, and getting away with it just makes the government even more possessive and arrogant.
Blame your family, friends, and neighbors who respect those that make and enforce our laws
US tax policy hasn't gotten much worse lately -- no one will repeal the Bush tax cuts, and now no one will repeal the Obama payroll tax cuts, and no one's really pushing to raise the capital gains tax rates.
It's US spending policy that's the problem. The 2008 bailouts shouldn't have happened, but if they did, they should have been a one-time shot in the arm -- not a permanent excuse to increase the annual deficit by a trillion dollars or so.
Fuck Apple. I wish those patent trolls had gone bankrupt in the 90's. Patenting a slide lock, auto-correct, and voice recognition? You've got to be shitting me.
Apple is hardly unique in patenting lots of stuff that should not be patented. I put the blame on the Patent office for giving out patents for bullshit like that. A company is going to use the tools it has available to get the advantage and they (as far as I know) did nothing dishonest in getting their patents.
Patents are bullshit.
Stupid inventors, wanting to profit from their brains and initiative!
Speaking of GTFO of the US, the Honduras REDs look very interesting. They're basically charter cities (albeit with some really stupid rules)
http://www.red.hn/
You could theoretically set up a RED with a gold standard and legalized everything.
Here's the rulebook:
http://coredhn.squarespace.com.....titutional Amendement REDs Unofficial Translation.pdf
Oh fuck me that didn't work
hier
You do not want to live in Honduras. Used to be nice place for ex-pats. It's not very safe anymore.
I don't know if this is a downside or an upside to the Libertarian Paradise of Nevis, but Justice Breyer was robbed at machete-point there.
They were just teaching him a lesson about property rights in retaliation for Kelo.
Nice.
OK, who's down to go live the good life in St. Kitts? Per the Henley site they do have real estate tax of 2% per year on your property's assessed FMV, which sucks a bit, but you don't pay tax on rental income, so that helps if you've got multiple holdings.
Also, the WSJ article links to it but if you're a US citizen or "long-term" green card holder of moderately high net worth (>$2mil. but that includes your house, 401k, everything) you could get hit with a stupidretarded expatriation tax too. So get out before you've accumulated too much wealth.
Can't. My mother-in-law lives there and family tyrants are much harder to deal with on a day to day basis than fed gov tyrants.
Only so long as she's alive. I hear there are machete-wielding bandits on the island....
Sounds good to me, let's get started on the Reasonoid compound! The $400,000 real-estate investment is actually pretty attainable and we could get it before hitting that expatriation tax (which, BTW, I expect the requirements to be lowered quite a bit).
How the hell do you tax someone who isn't a citizen anyways? Yeesh.
I imagine the Reason compound would resemble something from the show Doomsday Preppers.
Drones.
win
"How the hell do you tax someone who isn't a citizen anyways? Yeesh."
You say "give me the money or I lock you up, punk" if they dare set foot in your jurisdiction.
I found a Coldwell Banker site that allows you to search by whether "economic citizenship" is available via that property purchase or not. A promising candidate for my future home turned up within seconds.
That would honestly be paradise. Fuck, I gotta start putting aside money for it. This would be a dream come true.
Too late, I have it under contract.
I was searching vacation rentals on St Kitts and one very similar to that turned up.
Its nice, isnt it?
you could get hit with a stupidretarded expatriation tax too
This is part of what I am talking about. This idea that we really don't own anything and that the government can just take what it wants, just because I choose to leave its authority.
I recognize that Natural Law hasn't had much to do with the U.S. government policy for quite some time, but as someone whose whole view of the world changed when I read Locke for the first time (i.e. labor theory of property), this kind of shit is incredibly distressing to me. And the only way to really protest it is to go out Joe Stack style, and even then the conventional wisdom will just be that you were CRA-zy. (and selfish, too, because you killed a nice IRS agent who was "just doing his job.")
Ugh.
It makes more sense to spend your time and resources on getting out instead of on changing the system at this point. Mostly because "getting out" actually has a realistic chance of success.
Where would we be today if George Washington got out? Stay here; hold your head high; and make as much trouble as you can for the ruling class and their supporters.
George Washington did get out; he just took the entire country with him.
George had the advantage that his enemies were an ocean away, while ours are on every street.
Those enemies on every street make a good target for patriots. Stop making excuses for being a cowardly libertarian.
2% a year on real estate is less than I pay in Texas. With no income tax, I'd be coming out way ahead.
Well apparently, form the Reuters article, someone (with much to loose; presumably qualifying for the expat tax too) already did:
Costa Rica used to have a similar investment setup. Seems like it was $50k invested in their road fund for 8 years at 2% return for residency and 5x that for citizenship. Based on my experiences driving, they either had no takers or were using that fund to finance government sex parties. Because the roads were shit. Except for this one section going into San Jose which they paved the same 3 miles of about once a quarter while I was there.
Nevis has a great and libertarian national motto: "Country Above Self."
I guess if you buy St Kitts citizenship, but dont give up the US one, you get no benefits tax-wise?
You'd still be required to report your worldwide income less the foreign earned income exclusion of $95k (or whatever it is that year- it goes up for inflation). How many expats actually do that is anyone's guess.
You also get to deduct local taxes, which gives seasteading an advantage. If you're making 160k, you're allowed the first 95k, and for the rest you tell the seastead you would like to be taxed 65k in exchange for the following gov't benefits..., then give them your shopping list for the year.
Foreign-earned income exclusion in 2011 was 92,900
It probably depends on whether the extradition treaty between St Kitts and the US includes tax obligations.
The fact is that while the US may claim that you owe tax on income you earn abroad it has no real enforcement power except when you are on US soil.
If you want to get away from US tax laws, you need to be prepared to leave the US and never come back.
What are the rules on coming back for a visit if you've renounced your citizenship and are a citizen of another country? (and assuming you don't owe any Tax $$$ from your time as a US citizen)
Imagine you were born in whatever nation you're now a citizen of. US visa.
As long as you are not in violation of any US law, they are the same as they are for any other citizen of your adopted country.
In most cases that means a passport and, if your adopted country is not on the visa waiver list, a visa.
I recall reading recently that if you give up your U.S. citizenship, you right to travel in the U.S. is a shorter duration than folks who were never U.S. citizens.
Sort of a punishment, it seems.
Might want to check that. It all depends.
My oldest brother in Australia travels to the US whenever he feels like it on his Australian passport as though he was a native Ocker, even though he was born in Boston.
My other brother living in Europe with granted (automatically, when it was still done that way, due to having become a naturalized Australian citizen - as a minor, so it should not have affected his US citizenship) English citizen on the other hand had a letter in his luggage that indicated he wanted to reinstate his US citizenship while he was here and was sent back to Holland on the returning flight and was held incommunicado by the INS (now ICE) until he was escorted to the boarding area. The INS agent who did this had a reprimand placed in his file due to the intervention of the staff of Bill McCollum due to my complaint about it. When my my daughter-in-law (at the time) complained to her congressman(D) his staff blew her off.
ICE agents have extraordinary powers in these matters; not always exercised strictly according to the law.
Or if you're willing to pay the final tax, you can come back for a few months each year on a visitor's visa.
I want San Marino citizenship. What's required to get that?
There's even a secession movement for Nevis to split away from St. Kitts.
When I'm done with them, they'll be a secession movement for St. to split away from Kitts.
Ok, I lol'd.
I'm too poor for St Kitts, so I'm looking to move to Canada to get to a freer country with a more stable currency.
It's a much lower bar these days.
Canada? Freer than the US? You may be disappointed.
(I am Canadian).
It's not a freer country. I don't know why people think this. There is no bill of rights, so the gun laws are retarded, the cops can pull you over and toss your car at will, and they have speech-suppressing kangaroo courts.
And I'm saying this as someone who is disgusted by what the US has become. I'm not saying it to go "rah-rah-USA", I'm saying it because Canada is not a destination you should be looking at.
If you look at the link Baked posted below, that 5 year tax holiday for Americans in Canada isn't a bad deal at all. I wasn't aware of that.
And if what you really need is another citizenship, not necessarily another place to be a tax resident of, Canadian citizenship ain't bad. I get all the visa-free travel of having a non-banana-republic passport but no worldwide income tax obligations like US cits (if/when I ever give up my green card).
Oh, and re. my newfound dream of moving to St. Kitts, I Googled their gun laws and they fucking suck too. So that is a major problem.
I figured that would be the case. It always is.
Canada recently got rid of their long gun registry, so that's a small plus. Really though, it's not that Canada is such a bastion of freedom, it's that the US has fallen off the cliff. That people are even considering re-electing Barry is disgusting.
Canada may suck, but the US is plunging beneath it quickly.
Alberta is not looking too shabby, all things considered. Well, except for that whole "being Alberta" thing.
Three syllables: Nunavut.
Ah, young Dagny made so many bad "I'm having Nunavut" puns when they invented that territory. I still don't know how to pronounce the capital city.
Nunavut shall pass!
I refuse to accept that it is probably more correct to say it "New-nuh-voot".
New Nuvoot?
It would have been really funny if Nunavut meant "Northwest land" in Inuit.
Canada has a more entrenched entitlement attitude than we have here. For now.
It was not always so.
In the Nineteen-Teens my grandfather worked as the bookkeeper for Pearson's Magazine a socialist organ edited by Frank Harris (My Life and Loves).
Pearson's Magazine was widely distributed in the US but was banned in Canada.
In typical socialist (do as I say not as I do) fashion, Harris was paid a thousand dollars a week (work that out to 2012 dollars) for this job. A few days before the end of the week he would regularly show up at Granddad's desk saying, "I need fifty dollars to get through the next few days".
Canada is definately not the great escape from here.
Sounds like Switzerland. You want citizenship? Hell no. No way. No how. Not in this lifetime. Oh, you're stinking rich? Why didn't you say so?
Libertarian paradise or country club?
I think living at a country club would be pretty near paradise, and I don't even play golf.
Not very libertarian though.
American expatriation guide from WWTDD @ zerohedge.
That is a good guide. He knows his tax shit, so I'd be inclined to believe he's got his immigration shit right too. Reading through that makes expatriating, especially to somewhere low or no-tax (there's the flaw in your Canada plan, man) sound really appealing, to the point of "you'd be a fool not to."
Thanks BP. Looks like I better start saving up for that $200k soon.
I read this last night before I went to bed and it is very informative. Right down to the links to the "I renounce this crazy shit hasta la vista" forms from the State Department.
On the one hand it seems utterly insane to give up all of the traditional privileges and rights of being born into the American lucky sperm club - that other people around the world are waiting years for and literally dying to join.
But on the other, the U.S. government is actively trying to take away those privileges and rights right this very minute, and is intent on exploiting its perceived ownership of those citizens subjects like any good king or slavemaster, so maybe that's a false choice in the end and all that matters is the tax argument.
It would be really cool if, when renouncing your US citizenship, you could sell it to someone who wanted US citizenship (hell, even give the US gov't capital gains tax on the sale...).
Don't most countries effectively sell citizenship? The UK all but guarantees that you can become a UK citizen by lending GBP 750k to HM Government for something like 7 years.
Fuck that. I'm not leaving. My family has been here for centuries. How about the statist fucks leave instead?
Sounds like a good plan.
I suggest somewhere warm and sunny. Like the sun!
Let's watch the eliminationist rhetoric, please robc? Thanks
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They will have their government run health care to take care of them, they should be just fine.
WHY DON'T ALL YOU LIBERTARDIANS JUST GO TO SOMALIA THAT'S UR LIBERTOPIA ANYWAY ROOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADZZZZZZZZ!!!
Because we were in first. Instead, let me suggest that the statists go to Somalia, bringing their brilliant systems of government and economics with them, and restore it to a progressive utopia. There's lots of sun there to power their advanced solar technology, too. And it's not full of nasty European-descended people, either.
Hmm... looking into other expat, exit strategy, capital preservation, keep-yourself-under-the-radar alternatives.. and the Republic of Seychelles turned up (a group of islands in the Indian Ocean; northwest of Madagascar)
from this hosting company:
Many people are unaware of the fact that Seychelles Law guarantees the privacy of Seychelles Companies. One of the most important factors put into place is the No Information Exchange Policy that the country has adopted. Legislation has been passed which makes it almost impossible for the Seychelles government as well as banks to share information with other countries.
And from Seychelles International Business Authority
and
correction: "northwest *northeast* of Madagascar"
though mostly north of
Don't know if the Seychelles is still doing this, but if you invest $10 million in the country, they give you citizenship and amnesty from any crimes.
Seriously, though, wouldn't it be better for all us libertarians to pool our money and go to some broke nation with some spare islands and buy total political sovereignty from them? We could buy the five uninhabited Line Islands from Kiribati for, say, $100 million, which would nearly double Kiribati's GDP. Greece probably needs the money too.
Citizenship is contractual based upon the non-aggression principle, and can be revoked for violations. If you're an investor (minimum of, say, $200) and sign the contract, you qualify for residency - live there for two years, you get citizenship.
If it gets down to Santorum vs. Obama, we may have to get more serious about these kind of ideas.
Our military would suck and the US prez would destroy us.
Ah, but that's where I think we have the advantage: even if we got, say, an Aleutian Island and seceded, how politically unpopular would it be to use the military to attack a harmless, neutral political experiment that wants to have peaceful trade with America?
If they actually attacked us, America would be no different than the brutes in Russia or China who suppress peaceful separatist movements. In the internet era, that would be hard to cover up.
Moreover, we can pay taxes to the US government "voluntarily" until we get international recognition, giving them even less incentive to attack/imprison us. And we'd have to have spokespeople that are not perceived as "crazy", and that can out-argue the President and the media. I'm just not seeing what they'd gain from attacking us.
I don't see the point of many things the prez does...
Trying to take U.S. territory wouldn't work at all. The U.S. government would bomb us into oblivian, overrun the island with marines, and then arrest everyone who wasn't already dead and charge them with "terrorism" and/or treason in a military tribunal. It would not be pretty.
And the "whole world is watching" shit wouldn't matter. Just like the IRS taxing your worldwide income when no other nation does the same, the U.S. would crush its own separatist movements and tell the rest of the world to go sit on an egg and mind their own business lest they want to be next. As much as most Americans like to just ignore it, the U.S. government is one of the biggest hypocrites in the world (not that that's news to regular H&R commenters...)
Finding some spare foreign territory would probably work better, but then it would be a question of getting the rest of the world to recognize you, which I think would be difficult if the explicit point of your foundation is to reject the modern corporatist tax state that they're all trying to spread.
ok, but I get to be on top:)
I retired to SE Asia in 2005 and have not returned to the USA, even for a visit. I will keep my USA citizenship for a couple of reasons:
1) I can only travel to other ASEAN countries without a visa with my new home's passport.
2) My income is almost zero as I draw down an IRA waiting to turn old enough for SS to kick in.
3) Married a local and have a residency visa here, so local citizenship not required.
As a side note , there is some hostility to foreigners out here, but a lot less than the persecution I would get back in the US as a racist, sexist, homophobic, bigoted white man.
4) The ladyboys like the Americans
$400K in real estate? That buys you what there, a 2 bedroom condo? Might be worth a look.
Thanks for the linkage, Nick. Being stateless is certainly a life-limiting condition for millions of people. Not so much in my case, my "loss" of citizenship being planned an intentional.
Thanks for the linkage, Nick. Being stateless is certainly a life-limiting condition for millions of people. Not so much in my case, my "loss" of citizenship being planned an intentional.
NH is frigid? Someone forgot to tell Mother Nature
What would the real-life outcome be if a state (say NH) seceded from the US? I do think splitting off one or more states is the only way to start over with a libertarian government.
Good coverage Nick, but a few things...
We pretty much never call ourselves Kittians, but insted Kittitians. I think if you said Kittian here most wouldn't even recognize what you were saying.
Kittitian only covers one island, so its more complex. Citizens who live on Nevis are called Nevisians, but were in the same country. 🙂
Dagny,
Our gun laws do suck. But if you are a business owner or simply state that you want to be secure in your home you can apply for a handgun permit. And once you get it, in fact there are less restrictions than in most US states. You can carry it concealed, and there are no "gun free zones". It takes a few months and you need a background check though. In addition you are limited to a single hand gun and there is a limit on how much ammo you can keep at home. Extra ammo can be stored at the police station.
"Per the Henley site they do have real estate tax of 2% per year on your property's assessed FMV, which sucks a bit, but you don't pay tax on rental income, so that helps if you've got multiple holdings."
Incorrect on both. The 2% is incorrect.
Second - there is a tax on rental income... First if its a short term rental and furnished (ie to tourists) you have to charge 17% VAT. Second we dont have an "income tax" but there are local wage taxes, and there is a corporate tax and an unincorporated business tax which applies to rentals. Most don't pay it though...
Fuck your 'citizenship' of any variety...
You fuckers are just too 'lazy,' to start your own countries...
Perhaps liberty lovers could summer in New Hampshire and winter in St. Kitts and Nevis.
I would encourage anyone with the means and the yearning to look into expatriating to do it, as depressingly ironic as I find the notion that freedom costs $400k. It would probably be helpful on most fronts. First, you would set up a proper incentive structure on the feds, since moral non-aggression means bumpkus to them. Second, and I mean no offense to anyone, you would remove the air people carry that libertarians in America are a bunch of rich, priviledged trust fund kids. Seriously, I and all my libertarian friends are broke twenty-somethings. It shouldn't sell our ideas, but that's a fact.
I went through a bad breakup in 2006 and spent a month in New Zealand. I looked into moving there and they had a "citizenship for investment" plan there too, though it was $2mil.
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