Immigration

The Most Vile and Inhumane Immigration Story You Will Read This Week

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Felipe Montes lived and worked in the United States for nine years. During that time, he held a full-time job, paid his bills, and fathered two children with his wife, Marie. He failed, however, to pay several traffic tickets, or to acquire a driver's license or car insurance. As a result, a 2010 traffic stop ended with Montes being taken to a detention center where he was scheduled for deportation.

Marie Montes gave birth to the couple's third child while her husband was behind bars. Six weeks later Felipe Montes was deported. Two weeks after that, the Allegheny County child welfare department took all three children from Marie Montes on the grounds that she could not afford to take care of them, and put them in foster care, where two of them have already been abused.

Color Lines, the publication put out by the immigration reform think tank Applied Research Center, interviewed Montes, his wife, and their neighbors in Sparta, North Carolina. "He was a real good guy and as a worker he could do anything," said Montes' former boss. "He loved those kids more than anything. We'd be doing tree work and it'd be kind of dangerous and he'd say, 'I'll do this but if something happens you have to take care of the kids, ok?'"

"I love my kids to death," Montes told Color Lines. "When they were born, it's something so wonderful you can't explain."

Apparently, love and dedication doesn't qualify Montes to be a dad anymore, as the state of North Carolina is putting his children up for adoption:

Allegheny County has already convinced a judge to end family reunification efforts with Marie Montes. She wants the children to be placed with their father. "If they can't be with me, I want them to be with him," she said. "Nobody is a better father than he is."

But next week, on February 21, the county's Department of Social Services plans to ask a judge to cease all efforts to reunify the family and put the children into adoption proceedings with foster families. Though Felipe Montes was his children's primary caregiver before he was deported and has not been charged with neglect, the child welfare department nonetheless believes that his children, who have now been in foster care for over a year, are better off in the care of strangers than in Mexico with their father.

For Montes, this feels tantamount to kidnapping.

"I cannot find the words to tell you how important my kids are to me. I would do anything for them," he told Colorlines.com, speaking on his cell phone in Mexico while on a break from his job at a farm.

"In this world there are many injustices. At the very least, I would like them to send my kids to Mexico."

Read the full Color Lines report on the growing number of children who have been stolen from their immigrant parents and put up for adoption, which I blogged here

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  1. What a disgrace.

    1. The U.S. is a country where people go by the book when the book is wrong. Our holiest book is the Constitution which is frequently interpreted by a five-to-four vote. Burn the unintelligible Constitution now.

      1. We’re working on it…

      2. The ONLY issue in this story is the power of welfare agencies to take children from their families — it can happen to citizens and illegals alike. This isn’t an immigration story.

        Now if you DO want stories about unlicensed, uninsured illegals that are actually “vile” and “inhumane” try reading these:

        Illegal aliens ran down two USC
        college kids, killing the girl and lodging the guy in the windshield.
        The illegals pulled over, pulled the half-alive guy out of the
        windshield and dumped his body on the road, and took off. Amazingly,
        he survived. No one in the national media wants to report it, even
        though it’s much more “vile and inhumane”:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lnapu3N4Xg … And,
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related

        1. Or read these recent examples of non-licensed, uninsured, illegal alien drivers:

          Motorcyclist dragged to death; Bail set for illegal immigrant driver
          in fatal Milford crash
          http://www.telegram.com/article/20110823/NEWS/108239960/

          Plea delayed for man suspected in fatal Santa Rosa crosswalk hit-and-run crash
          http://www.pressdemocrat.com/a…..9890/1033/

          1. Four youths killed by drunk illegal alien; Police: “It’s the Worst
            Wreck We’ve Ever Seen in Brenham”
            http://www.kbtx.com/mobi/home?storyid=128210333

            Illegal immigrant who killed nun in accident was released by feds
            http://www.washingtontimes.com…..d-by-feds/

            1. Natural born citizens and legal immigrants do the same things all the time in this country. The illegal immigrant status means nothing. Bad people do bad shit. It happens everywhere.

              1. Well we can hold citizens and legal immigrants accountable genius. Where as the illegal may be deported if the federal government is up to it, but most likely will be let go once immigrations says they don’t want them. It’s called ACCOUNTABILITY. That’s all anyone is asking for. This article was lame!

              2. Illegal immigrants don’t go to driver’s ed because they’re here illegally and then they can’t really drive well and crash and stuff. The problem is that they shouldn’t be here or they should follow the rules.

            2. Hey, Lonewacko, where do we deport the natural born citizens who do the exact same thing?

              1. Um, prison?

            3. Hey dipshit, there were something like 40,000 trafic deaths last year. You’ve only referenced five (or 0.000125%).

              Dipshit.

        2. Funny your very own stories aren’t immigration stories either. Does it matter if it is an illegal or a citizen who run you down in their car?

        3. Thanks for reporting the story. Were the illegals from Ireland?

          1. Were the illegals from Ireland?

            Because there was drinking involved?

    2. What would American’s reaction be if this was done to an expat worker in one of the Arab countries?

      1. Apoplexy, followed by drone strikes.

      2. No expat workers involved that I know of but Arab countries have been complicit in ruthlessly separating American children from a parent. America’s reaction was a stern diplomatic protest, if memory serves.

      3. If the American citizen were in that country illegally, nothing.

      4. If an American was in an Arab country illegally he’d probably be sentenced to death. Are people really this stupid?

    3. This is something both compassionate conservatives and progressives can get behind.

    4. Yes, a disgrace – but my first question is, how do the kids feel about it? Has anyone asked them where they would like to live or who they would like to live with?

      Or … never mind. No one in the child protection business gives a damn what the kids want.

  2. This is horrifying.

    1. No, this is SPARTAAAAAAAAA!

      NC.

      1. That was horrible.

        1. Admittedly, it was the child abduction equivalent of a joke.

          1. It deserves one of those “This is how my friends see me” meme posters.

  3. But next week, on February 21, the county’s Department of Social Services plans to ask a judge to cease all efforts to reunify the family and put the children into adoption proceedings with foster families.

    There has to be more to the story here if this is approved. No judge could be this fucked up.

    1. You really think that? After seeing a judge in PA that would send kids to juvenile prison solely for kickbacks?

      1. Ah, my home area. This is not even remotely surprising. Children and Youth here routinely tries to take kids away from their parents because the parents are using *legal* drugs.

      2. That was for money. At least there was motivation for that dirtbag. What’s in it for this judge? Just keeping U.S. citizens from the horrors of rural Mexico?

        1. This is different! A psychopath kills for no reason; I kill for money!

    2. And yet it was okay to forcibly send Elian Gonzalez back to Cuba to be with his dad.

      1. That’s different. Cuba is a socialist paradise.

        1. No way WE were gonna get saddled with his healthcare costs!

        2. At least they have access to healthcare.

          1. lol! What a dumb ass. He would have access to healthcare here too. The difference is he might have to pay for it and he actually has a chance to live if he was treated in the U.S.

    3. Agreed, FoE. The judge has to have a compelling reason to keep the kids from their father. If we can send Elian Gonzalez back to Cuba, we can send this kid to a nation that is our ally.

      I hope the Mexican press is all over this deal.

      1. Re: sloopyinca,

        I hope the Mexican press is all over this deal.

        The Obama administration will only listen to a media that marches to the tune of the admin’s beating drum.

      2. My guess is that the kids are US citizens having been born here, but the article doesn’t say how old the kids are.

        A new wrinkle- have an anchor baby and get deported to leave the kids in foster care. Great.

        1. Kind of shows just how effective anchorbabiez are, doesn’t it?

          Remember the moron on the last immigration thread going on about how immigration laws are not enforced.

          Apparently thousands of arrests and deportation each year isn’t enforcement.

          I really wonder sometimes exactly what would constitute “enforcement” for these assholes. Checkpoints every mile or so with strip searches for citizen and non-citizen alike?

          1. Remember the moron on the last immigration thread going on about how immigration laws are not enforced.

            Apparently thousands of arrests and deportation each year isn’t enforcement.

            It isn’t when there are millions of illegal immigrants in the country. A few high-profile deportations to bolster the image of a few politicians as tough on immigration plus a few thousand deportees caught mostly by accident do not constitute real enforcement.

            1. “A few high-profile deportations…”

              It’s been well documented that Obama is actively deporting more and more illegal immigrants. More than ‘a few’.

              I’m curious as to what people like you think enforcement would look like? Armed police roaming the streets asking people for ID to prove they’re here legally? Should we allow border guards to shoot on site anyone they perceive to be border crossers?

              1. It’s true, Obama’s media sycophants have tried to portray Obama as being tough on immigration. The downturn in the U.S. economy has made many illegals self-deport, the Obama administration declares that the number of apprehensions of illegals is down and Obama’s media buddies declare that Obama has reduced illegal immigration by vigorously deporting people.

                Bush played a similar kind of game – raid a few big employers and then publish the shit out of the raid.

                I’m curious as to what people like you think enforcement would look like?

                Well, ending catch-and-release would be one thing. Not releasing criminal suspects on bail so that they can disappear is another. Building a border fence is yet another. Not undermining good faith efforts by the border patrol to enforce the law is another. And how about not harassing and persecuting states that are trying to deal with their illegal immigration problems in lieu of action by the Feds?

                1. Not releasing criminal suspects on bail so that they can disappear is another.

                  So, you want to deny criminal suspects something they’re guaranteed in the Constitution.

                  Building a border fence is yet another.

                  Right. And I’ll bet you’re one of those guys against government waste too.

                  Not undermining good faith efforts by the border patrol to enforce the law is another.

                  And this is being done by whom, exactly?

                  And how about not harassing and persecuting states that are trying to deal with their illegal immigration problems in lieu of action by the Feds?

                  Oh, you mean the pointless, and probably unconstitutional laws that some states are passing.

                  Sounds like you don’t like the Constitution of the United States. What are you, some kind of COMMUNIST? Why don’t you move to France where cops can do all of that harassment you like so much. They don’t have an illegal immigrant problem there, at all (not).

                  Like I said, “Checkpoints every mile or so with strip searches for citizen and non-citizen alike?”

                  ANCHORBABIESZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                2. Actually, the number of illegal immigrants forcefully deported has reached record his under Obama.

                  Frontline had an excellent report on this if you really care to educate yourself.

                  http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/…..d-in-2011/

                  “Well, ending catch-and-release would be one thing. Not releasing criminal suspects on bail so that they can disappear is another.”

                  Ok, that’ll take care of approximately 5% of the illegals here. There of you ‘solutions’ aren’t really concrete specifics as they involve ‘not undermining’ ‘good faith’ efforts of individual states.

                  How about this? Revamp the whole system so that it allows poor migrant workers to come here legally to work farms and perform manual labor thus removing the need to cross over illegally?

    4. No judge could be this fucked up.

      The black robed overlords of liberty would never fuck us!

    5. No judge could be this fucked up.

      Dude, it’s Alleghany (that’s right, a) County, NC. That part of the state is pretty fucked up.

  4. Child protective services is one of the most tyrannical organizations in this country.

    1. You wish it was just one organization, then it would be possible to try to change the culture and procedures of that organization.

      However, it’s hundreds of different organization working to dozens of different law and each with their own interpretation of the laws that apply to them and their own culture.

      In principle that should make it possible to find the set of interpretations and culture that works the best. In practice the industry uses a definition of “best” which makes this outcome acceptable.

  5. wait a sec, that kid in florida was sent back to his father in cuba. what makes this different?

    1. Because Mexico is not a communist dictatorship, I guess, so there is no PC leftist rationale to enforce paternal rights this time. Who the fuck knows what goes on in the tiny little minds of bureaucrats?

      1. That’s right. God forbid a child grow up with some semblance of freedom.

        1. Can’t we just give those kids a couple of crates of guns and have the ATF take them over the border?

          1. Operation kid walker?

            1. I’m sure that the people who wanted to ship Elian Gonzalez back because kids have to be with their fathers are going to be all over this case.

            2. Operation Gun Stroller.

    2. Re: O3,

      what makes this different?

      Mexico is not a communist country headed by a charismatic leader. That is the difference.

    3. Maybe I’m reading o3 wrong, but he appears to be saying that if we can send Elian to live with his dad in Cuba, then why not the Montes kids to live with dad in Mexico?

      1. Yeah, I think we agree with o3 on this one.

    4. Different jurisdiction and different laws. The seizure of the children is by the state child services (or whatever the fuck it is called), not by ICE. Also, the kids are US citizens who have never lived in Mexico. This is really not parallel to Elian Gonzales at all. But still awful and just fucked.

      1. Except we have (I thought) a “landfall” rule for Cuban refugees…except when it came to Elian, that is.

        1. No, the refugees still have to petition for or have a parent petition for asylum. (How enforced that actually is, I have no idea)

    5. wait a sec, that kid in florida was sent back to his father in cuba. what makes this different?

      Elian Gonzalez was going to be allowed to stay in the U.S. until the government of Cuba took a special interest in Elian and specifically demanded that the Clinton administration send him back. For whatever reason, the Clinton administration immediately reversed its position on Elian’s return and forced Elian’s return at the point of a gun. It really is a different case than that of Montes because in the case of Gonzalez, the kid was being sent back to the Cuban government, not to his father.

  6. Two weeks after that, the Allegheny County child welfare department took all three children from Marie Montes on the grounds that she could not afford to take care of them, and put them in foster care, where two of them have already been abused.

    As if snatching them from their mother wasn’t abuse enough.

    By then way, what is it with this “can’t afford to take care of them” shit? Was she supposed to file for welfare benefits to keep her kids?

  7. I’ve seen a few custody hearings invovling similar situations. I never saw anything this screwed up. Typically, there is either a relative in the US who can family-foster the kids, or the kids go with the custodial parent to the home country.

  8. Government gives us our society and civilization. Gotta take the good with the bad!

    1. The worst thing is that there are people who think like that. Take Tiny, for instance…

    2. It’s part of the price we pay for civilization. Like taxes – you need to pay for what you use.

      1. Ok, that had to be a spoof.

        1. I’d say at least half of Tony (probably more) is spoof these days.

          1. They all are. I think they always have been.

      2. It’s part of the price we pay for civilization. Like taxes – you need to pay for what you use.

        And pay for what you don’t use!

        http://www.soundtransit.org/Sc…..t-rail.xml

    3. I don’t have to take the bad with the good. I can fight against what is bad. Your have come up with an excuse to sit on the sideline and be a helpless liberal.

  9. That was a quality nut-punch Riggs. If it weren’t for that pesky non-aggression principle, I’d happily beat a bureaucrat until both I and the bureaucrat were crying

    1. The non-aggression principle only states that you should not be the instigator of violence. In this case the bureaucrats are the instigators of force, self-defense against them is completely justified.

    2. Non-agression pronciple or not, I wouldn’t mind giving them a few well deserved kicks to the head.

    3. It is only acceptable to cry at funerals and the Grand Canyon.

  10. Sounds more like a vile and inhumane CPS story to me.

    1. Unfortunately, a lot of CPS stories are vile and inhumane.

  11. For Montes, this feels tantamount to kidnapping.

    It IS kidnapping.

    1. By people with clipboards wearing those long skirts and flats.

  12. Montequilla! Rich gringos can take the kids and make them happy with leaf blowers and having them wash the windows.

    All brought to you by the racist piece of shit party that calls themselves “pro-family”.

    1. Re: Zuo,

      All brought to you by the racist piece of shit party that calls themselves “pro-family”.

      It’s both parties. The Obama administration has been trumpeting the fact that there has been no greater number of deportations before since the begining of the current regime. But you;re right that the GOP plays this protectionist-mercantilist mindset to the economics-illiterate booboisie.

  13. In the first paragraph he doesn’t pay traffic tickets, get a license or CAR INSURANCE. True justice would have him, his wife and all the kids shipped back to the home country. Then they could come back the right way. Try going to Mexico and pulling the same stuff.

    1. You have a strange sense of true justice.

      And why should his kids (who are US citizens) or his wife be deported too? They should be allowed to go with him, but not forced.

    2. That would be fine with Montes. But instead we take his children.

      NO INSURANCE??!! That sonofabitch! My guess is he did have auto insurance but it was through State Farm and they dropped him and never told him… b/c State Farm sucks cock.

      1. I’ve always been quite pleased with State Farm.

    3. Yes, because it is so libertarian to kidnap children and put them up for adoption because someone chose to not get auto insurance.

      I feel about mandatory auto insurance the way I feel about a health insurance mandate — whether I insure or not is none of the government’s business.

      1. Vehicles constitute a kinetic energy weapon at speed, and if they malfunction people die and things get broken. I see insurance as a perfectly reasonable opt-in to use public roads.

        1. If people are held financially and criminally responsible for the collisions they cause. There is no need for mandatory auto insurance, other then to make insurance companies money.

          1. My son-in-law was hit by an illegal Mexican immigrant with no insurance. Cost to his insurance company was over 10 grand. They dropped him right away. He had no recourse to the Mexican. Like I said above, try this in Mexico. You will rot in a cell.

            1. Like I said before IF people are held financially and criminally responsible for the collisions they cause there is no need for mandatory auto insurance. Having mandatory auto insurance didn’t help your son-in-law.

  14. He failed, however, to pay several traffic tickets, or to acquire a driver’s license or car insurance. As a result, a 2010 traffic stop ended with Montes being taken to a detention center where he was scheduled for deportation.

    I am here legally, but for the love of Zeus I would never do anything that could get me in trouble with the law, because I just can’t know what kind of dirtbag I could face if dragged to court by the jack-booted goons of the State. This man should’ve known better than let things lapse like that. If you’re here with no visa or papers, you MUST keep the lowest of the lowest of profiles. If that means not driving a car, then you get yourself a bicycle or a moped, but you do NOT let such stupid things like insurance and registration lapse, or have unpaid parking tickets.

    I have incurred in tickets before and always paid them, on time. Sorry, but I have more to lose than anybody else from lapses in judgment and common sense; I just cannot afford the risk. Mr. Montes didn’t, either, and now his kids are paying the consequences.

    1. I agree.

      I think it is wrong that they took his kids – they should have given the option of taking his kids to Mexico with him.

      But he could have been more careful too. Shouldn’t have been driving, keep a low profile, like you said.

  15. the state of North Carolina is putting his children up for adoption

    Why don’t they just sell them into slavery?

    1. dont go too far down that rabbithole or ull run headlong into rothbards quote that WI posted

    2. They’re going to force them into the public school system. What more do you want?

      1. All part of the War on Children, apparently.

  16. So, do the new adoptive parents know the children’s histories when they adopt? Would it be possible for them to return custody to the deported parents after the adoption?

    1. along with the no returns policy, there is also a non-transferable license with the sale.

  17. No judge could be this fucked up.

    *clears throat, inhales deeply*

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  18. I would go on a killing spree that owuld not end until I was dead or every single person who conspired to kidnap my children were dead, whochever came first. At least I like to think I would. Chances are, though, I’d just waste away in an alcoholic haze if something like this happened to me.

    I don’t know if there’s a hell or not, but if there, there’s a special place there that’s reserved for this judge and for everyone on the Allegheny County child welfare department that participated in this abomination.

    1. I think they’ll probably end up in the same special level of hell reserved for child molesters and people who talk at the movies.

      1. that level of hell is actually a movie theater, playing a constant loop of carrot top’s Chairman of the Board and with great cellphone reception.

        1. With no touch screen phones, so you can hear the clack clack clack of Blackberry keys being punched.

      2. I’m pretty sure that child molesters would refuse to associate with people like this judge.

        They have standards, you know.

  19. If the children were born in the U.S. that would make them citizens and not deportable, so I don’t think comparisons to Elian Gonzalez are fully apt.

    1. Re: Tak Tak,

      If the children were born in the U.S. that would make them citizens and not deportable

      The State presumes that they belong to the State and not to the loving parents that gave them life. There can be no worse manifestation of the Statist mindset than the kidnapping of children by jack-booted goons.

      1. Right, right. That still doesn’t make the two cases apt for comparison though.

        1. I don’t know. Elian’s mother tried to bring her son here, his relatives in the U.S. tried to keep him, and the government decided that Dad had superior rights. The citizenship issue doesn’t seem to be the key issue, as I believe he was eligible for asylum.

          1. Being eligible for asylum, that is, argue for, doesn’t seem to be nearly as solid as full citizenship. But his father or mother would have to petition for him, and clearly the father didn’t want that at all.

            1. Mi him en seen. En seen!

  20. Hmm, they are running out of Native American children; why are you trying to steal the jobs of kidnappers? 

  21. …on the grounds that she could not afford to take care of them.

    So a non-American mother of American children can not get child welfare benefits?

    1. The article didn’t say if she was non-American or not.

      1. Either way, the children are entitled; she needs a lawyer ASAP through Catholic Charities; they specialize in her type of case

        Or, she could claim to have no access to birth control/mammograms and be put ahead in the media Q of ‘outrage of the moment’ stories

      2. Apparently she is as the article mentions she got disability payments. But since the level of these payments are not high enough, they take away her children.

        1. I guess I’m not up to date on all the citizenship laws, but if the mother is American, shouldn’t the man have been able to get a green card when they married?

          1. Having been through the process on behalf of my foreign born wife I can tell you that nothing about the process is automatic. Certainly not residency and even less citizenship.

          2. If he was in the country illegally when the marriage took place, he would either have to go back to his native country and apply at a consulate there.

            If he applied at an immigration office here he would be deported and subjected to a shitload of penalties before his petition would be considerd.

            Even following the procedures getting a Green Card as a family member takes years and those are years you will spend separated from each other.

            Frankly, getting legal status is a time consuming and expensive pain in the ass. It’s no wonder so many people don’t bother too.

  22. I think this is less of an immigration tragedy and more of a CPS tragedy.

    1. Plenty to go around, Rev.

  23. So all of this is going on under an administration that has greatly ramped up deportations, but hey, Obama sang Al Green at karaoke so it’s all cool guys!

  24. At the site the story linked to, there’s a petition you can sign that will be forwarded to Allegheny County. I signed it. Inconsequential I’m sure, but the gesture felt good.

  25. Where’s MNG to tell us not to trust the biased, unconfirmed reporting from an advocacy website?

  26. I’m waiting for Tulpa to show up and argue again, as he did on a thread over the weekend, that in the absence of a government monopoly of police, a considerably more rudimentary and uncivil society would be all that was possible.

    1. “can you imagine how much worse this story would be in your crazy world?!”

  27. Illegal Immigration – Voter and Employer Education http://bit.ly/x0PDp6

  28. Mexico: threaten to legalize pot unless the kids are returned.

    8hours tops.

  29. Reagan may have tripled the National Debt, and raised taxes 12 times.

    However that pales in comparison to his 1986 Amnesty, which was intended to provide amnesty to the thought-to-be 1.3 million illegal immigrants in our United States. BUT, then, just as now, that ended up being 3.5 million illegal immigrants and, reminiscent of Ripley’s Believe it, or Not, there are/were still illegal immgrants, to this very day, claiming citizenship, based on the 1986 Amnesty. I kid you not. Check it out.

    and that isn’t even the worst of it, because what the 1986 Amnesty did, was unleash a massive and devastating invasion by 10’s of millions of illegal immigrants, mostlly from Mexico, Latin, and South America, but including illegal immigrants, from over 180 countries around the world, fully expecting that, eventually, our United States, would grant amnesty again.

    LIE TO ME AGAIN: Since the 1986 Reagan Amnesty, over 28 million undocumented immigrants have been apprehended at the border. In 1987 there were less than 3200 Border Patrol agents and they were thought to apprehend 1 out of 7 border crossers. Some agents even thought 1 out of 10. Now, there are over 21,000 Border Patrol agents thought to apprehend 1 out of 4…… run the numbers and then lie to me again, by telling me that there are 11 million illegal immigrants in our country. http://bit.ly/h0jNr3

    STOP THE INVASION……

    1. Or… you know… let any peaceful person, who wants to come here, come here. If we find them to be criminals, we just ship them back and bar them further entry.

      1. Like Felipe?

          1. The system works!

            1. Well, depends on what you mean. Is he a criminal? I don’t think non-paid tickets, and not having a driver’s license (because he’s not here legally), or not having insurance makes him a criminal. So no. The system is still broken. But if he raping, robbing, and murdering… then yeah.

              1. So not like Felipe.

                1. I thought you might have been using him in reference to the peaceful person, not the criminal. Sorry for the confusion.

    2. Re: Forums4stupidity,

      and that isn’t even the worst of it, because what the 1986 Amnesty did, was unleash a massive and devastating invasion by 10’s of millions of illegal immigrants, mostlly from Mexico, Latin, and South America[…]

      “Devastating”? Please.

      The fact is that the standard of living of all Americans was raised with the help of those “illegal” immigrants. Division Of Labor tends to do that, did you know? It is cheaper labor that allowed many businesses to keep prices competitive despite the balooning monetary base and the massive malinvestment of the 90s and 2000s.

      Do you want to guarantee higher prices and a lowering of the standard of living? Ok, close the borders shut, continue imposing price floors on labor (what some call “minimum wage”) and continue inflating the money supply. Pretty soon, America will become the land of Evita – and not because everybody will start to speak Spanish and be obnoxious.

    3. I know you probably won’t come back because this is shtick, but in all seriousness: you are a bad person doing evil things.

    4. Hyperbole much?

  30. WE, THE PEOPLE, WON’T BACK DOWN http://bit.ly/yHS675

    1. I know you, you’re a well known anti-American COMMUNIST.

  31. I note that the story conveniently doesn’t mention whether Mr. Montes was here legally or illegally. If he was here legally, deportation was probably an excessive penalty for the infractions he supposedly committed.

    However, if he was here illegally, I submit that Mr. Montes created his own problems, and those of his children himself when he took it upon himself to enter the country illegally. Sure, it sucks for the kids, but they need to take that up with their old man, who’s the asshole who created the unfortunate situation in the first place…

    1. exactly, If you sneak backstage at a concert everyone understands that when you get caught you get kicked out. Why can’t people understand that if you sneak into a country that the same thing will happen. I agree that immigration law is messed up, but when people come here illegally they by choice place themselves into an easily abused underclass. I am a big fan of the new aggressive laws in Arizona, but not for the same reason as most. I think that when we are able to get most of the illegal out we’ll realize how much they do and the public will demand that we have real immigration reform to get them back.

      1. E|2.15.12 @ 1:07PM|#

        exactly

        Which is why it makes perfect sense to take away a person’s children. didn’t do the paperwork? Your children get taken away. Fair is fair.

        1. What, children suffer unjustly from having parents that do stupid things? Who knew?

          Look, the guy knew if he got caught in the country illegally there would be consequences. He came here illegally (presumably) anyway and the consequences materialized. Boo hoo. I hope when his kids grow up they track this asshole down and kick his ass for him for putting them in this position.

          Cosmotarians – fucking up America one sob story at a time!

          1. I hope you turn yourself in to police the next time you break the speed limit.

            1. The last I checked, he didn’t turn himself in, he was caught. I don’t recollect that anyone expected him to turn himself in.

              I can assure you that whenever I’ve been caught speeding, I’ve paid the required fine.

              1. You say he should have followed the law and gone home voluntarily or never come here in the first place.

                Likewise, you should voluntarily turn yourself in every time you break a law and pay the fine every time. Fair’s fair.

              2. “can assure you that whenever I’ve been caught speeding, I’ve paid the required fine”

                And in this case the father was deported. What’s your point?

            2. Proprietist|2.15.12 @ 1:49PM|#

              I hope you turn yourself in to police the next time you break the speed limit.

              I think you mean you hope they shoot his dog and ship his children away to work in Chinese salt mines if he breaks the speed limit, because, hey – *its a law*, and he broke it knowingly, and see = he knew if he got caught[] there would be consequences. The fact that the consequences happen to be entirely arbitrary and cruel excesses of authority has *nothing to do with it*. Boo fucking hoo. cry me a river. should have thought of that before you went 65mph in a 55mph zone. Fair is fair.

          2. So the price of keeping the border secure is molested/physically abused children?

            Yokeltarians – fucked up Americans, one sociopath at a time!

            1. So the price of keeping the border secure is molested/physically abused children?

              Judging from this story, apparently that’s the price of *not* keeping the border secure!

              1. And do you think that’s just?

                1. @HM

                  You have to ask?

                2. Is it just to all parties? Or course not. But it wouldn’t be any more just to the children if the state took them away because he was in prison for murder. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t lock up murderers. Nor should we refrain from deporting people who are here illegally.

                  Moral of the story: your actions can have consequences that affect others unjustly, including your loved ones. If you don’t want those consequences to materialize, refrain from actions which invite them.

                  1. Is it just to all parties? Or course not. But it wouldn’t be any more just to the children if the state took them away because he was in prison for murder. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t lock up murderers.

                    I agree with you there.

                    Nor should we refrain from deporting people who are here illegally.

                    This is were we differ. I believe freedom of movement is a right that cannot be legislated away. Whereas, murder is immoral; it is not inherently immoral to disobey an unjust law.

                  2. Why does everybody always jump to deportation? Why can’t we just fine people?

                    $10K or you’re going back to Honduras Mr. Lawbreaker!

      2. Because a concert venue is private property?

        1. What if it’s held in a venue owned by the city? DEPORTATION! (to the next city over)

    2. Re: Slap the Enlightened,

      I submit that Mr. Montes created his own problems, and those of his children himself when he took it upon himself to enter the country illegally[.]

      That doesn’t excuse the fact that the State kidnapped his children and will not allow them to travel to Mexico.

  32. Intuitive Illegal Immigration 101 http://bit.ly/fVo2Tz

  33. After reading some comments and perusing the articles over at colorlines.com, it is clear that it is a site that is obsessed with identity politics and immigration. Everything on the site parrots leftist dogma.

    Furthermore, Riggs’ previous piece was based on a report by the Applied Research Center. ARC is the publisher of Colorlines and characterizes itself thusly

    ARC is a racial justice think tank using media, research, and activism to promote solutions. Our mission is to popularize racial justice and prepare people to fight for it.

    Does Reason bother to monitor its junior writers to be sure they show due diligence in digging up facts? ARC is clearly a far-left organization that is obsessed with immigration and, as such, it has a strong motive to misrepresent or even lie in order to build sympathy for its favorite cause.

    Another quote from ARC’s site

    We use Media and Journalism to deliver stories that are not reported elsewhere, move people to action in support of racial equity, and push a society silenced by guilt and confusion toward concrete discussions of racial justice in the 21st century.

    1. Can you disprove any the facts of this case? Just because a story comes from a leftist orginization doesn’t mean it is false.

      1. His argument is a reductio ad partisan = ‘If “The left” wants immigration reform, then there’s something fishy there, and its probably all a pack of lies anyway’

        The fact that some mexican’s children were taken away is not important compared to dilligent maintainance of mindless partisanship

        1. ‘If “The left” wants immigration reform, then there’s something fishy there

          My skepticism is born of experience. For decades, the national broadcast media and most of the print media was dominated by ideological leftists. During that time, the left got used to being able to lie and distort with impunity. The right, although it does occasionally spin things, doesn’t come close to the dishonesty of the left because during those same decades any factual slip up or misrepresentation by the right was forcefully rebutted. At times, even factual treatments by the right were characterized as inaccurate or mendacious.

          So when an organization which constantly uses the words “social justice” and “racial justice”, never stops talking about race and the racist nature of America and American society, has a campaign to abolish the use of the word “illegal” in connection with immigration even though the legality of immigration is central to the issue starts promoting a personal sob story and starts throwing around horrific sounding numbers – yeah, I’m skeptical.

          Perhaps you are too young and need to be reminded that with regard to numerous other issues (abortions, homeless, children who would be thrown on the streets if welfare reform were enacted, husbands who beat there wives during the Superbowl, high school students in the U.S. who have been sexually harassed, partial birth abortions, etc.), the left just pulls numbers out of their asses and expects sympathetic media outlets to publish their ass numbers without investigation and generally the media cooperates.

          Incidentally, I agree with the opinion that this is really a problem with the social service organizations that are quick to take kids away from their parents, not with immigration per se.

          1. Perhaps you are too young and need to be reminded…

            Awesome. Use of the “pompous assumption of intellectual authority” tactic is a great followup for the, “when people say, ‘social justice'”, my Reactionary-Partisan cruise-control takes over and allows me to blithely ignore the actual tangible idiocy of current immigration policy because I can frame it entirely as some bunch of liberal hogwash.

            Basically, for all your rhetorical flourishing, you haven’t actually made any defense at all of this specific exercise of state authority. Why don’t you try, oh wise one? Explain how the appropriate response to deal with “illegal immigration” is to kidnap their children, and make them wards of the already bloated bureaucratic state. I’d love to learn.

    2. Hey brainiac,
      Decriminalizing immigration is one of Reason’s big issues too. Most of us here want more or less open borders.

      And what’s wrong with correcting racist policies and publishing stories the media isn’t covering?

      1. Well, brainiac, have you ever considered the possibility that the story isn’t being reported by other outlets because it was fabricated?

        1. OK, since you’re making the claim that the story was fabricated, it’s up to you to provide proof of that. These are the House Rules, here.

          You’ve got a name, you’ve got a location, get googling.

          1. Why bother? Since ARC declares that it publishes stories that others don’t, there won’t be any hits. Even if there are other stories, most media outlets love to publish sob stories and they don’t often check facts.

            1. lunarscape|2.15.12 @ 3:05PM|#

              Why bother?

              That pretty much sums up your intellectual M.O. – You have all the answers you need already.

          2. You could check with the local (Sparta, NC) media. You could call the child welfare agency. Etc, etc, etc…

        2. That funny, because I first heard about this story on fox news as reported by Bill Oreilly.

          1. Did he say where he got it?

  34. I would like to know who at CPS is responsible for making the decision to turn these kids into orphans.
    Fuck getting a lawyer, if this happened to me, I’d go Charles Whitman on anyone in position of authority in CPS, county govt, or the judge that didn’t immediately throw this case out and impose sanctions on those who made this decision.
    Goddamn this makes me furious.

    1. Er, the one who made the decision to turn them into orphans was their old man, when he decided to move here illegally.

      1. So next time you break some arbitrary law, you’re cool if the State kidnaps your children and puts them in foster care, where they are abused?

        1. For a start, all laws are arbitrary. Second, they didn’t take the children away because he committed a crime, but because the state determined his wife couldn’t afford to care for them. Read for comprehension next time.

          1. “Arbitrary”
            1.Based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.
            2.(of power or a ruling body) Unrestrained and autocratic in the use of authority

            FAIL.

            The state has no right to seize children outside of abuse, neglect and endangerment cases, and even then it should make best efforts to find alternatives within the family. None of these apply in this case, so it is patently wrong. Unless you think it is a crime to be poor?

            FAIL

            1. If you’re sufficiently poor that you can’t care for your children properly, I think that qualifies as endangerment, don’t you?

              1. There you have it folks:

                If you’re sufficiently (whatever that means) poor that you can’t care for your children properly (whatever that means), Slappy thinks that constitutes ‘endagerment’ (whatever that means) and the state should be able to forcibly take your kids and give them to someone else.

                1. well they could be sold on the free market. jeesch, i gotta saay it now?

              2. Re: Slap the Elightyened,

                If you’re sufficiently poor that you can’t care for your children properly, I think that qualifies as endangerment, don’t you?

                If *I* subscribed to such a notion, I would have to believe that about 3 billion people living in Asia, Africa and Latin America are child abusers just by virtue of them being poor.

                Besides everything else, that burden? Will the poor never have a break in this life???

                1. If *I* subscribed to such a notion, I would have to believe that about 3 billion people living in Asia, Africa and Latin America are child abusers just by virtue of them being poor.

                  Well, they are. That’s why we should give them all to Angelina Jolie.

        2. Lots of kids get sent to foster care when their native-born parent(s) commits a crime. There’s never any outrage over that, so why the outrage over an illegal immigrant?

          1. Because their parent isn’t in prison? They could be sent to live him, but the state believes they would be better off with strangers than with a biological parent.

      2. Hey Slappy, you racist piece of shit. You ever get a speeding ticket? Because if you did, I’ve got CPS on speed dial and can have them over to your place by the end of the day.

      3. Re: Slap the Enlightened,

        Er, the one who made the decision to turn them into orphans was their old man, when he decided to move here illegally.

        You mean in his capacity as a soothsayer, he should’ve known better?

        Are you saying that the conduct of the CPS bureaucrats was determined the moment the guy stepped on US soil?

        So we have two premises here: One, being able to know the future and two, determinism.

        1. Good one, OM!

  35. “They’re heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere.”

  36. Oh no. Here come the nativist concern trolls…

    Dear trolls, I propose that you turn yourselves in to the nearest police station next time you break any law that disadvantages or inconveniences you in some way, like the speed limit. Anything less and you’re a hypocrite covering up your anglocentrism with politically correct, self-serving BS about “rule of law”, which you obviously fail to follow yourself. As Jesus said, “Let he who hath not sinned cast the first stone”.

    I bet you’d be the first to cross an artificial line on the ground to find a safe environment to raise your kids and escape poverty and drug war violence.

    Thanks.

    1. Don’t bother, Proprietist. You’re throwing pearls before swine.

  37. A tragic story indeed, but what is being implied here? That illegals should be granted citizenship? That would be a slap in the faces of everyone who came to the US legally and waited for years, sometimes as long as a generation, for their citizenship. The lesson here should be clear: Don’t come to the US illegally.

    1. Re: Jack Schitt,

      A tragic story indeed, but what is being implied here? That illegals should be granted citizenship?

      No, that the State should not kidnap children. ANY children.

    2. The immigration system itself is the slap in the face to legal immigrants. It’s an expensive, degrading and demoralizing process where human beings are chattel, where the authenticity of marriage is questioned and where people are more or less helpless based upon many factors beyond their control. My wife and I have been dealing with it for three years now.

      The fact that countless numbers of people can’t afford the thousands of dollars required and/or don’t specifically meet any of the limited categories qualified for immigration means demand will always exceed supply. As the government has been unwilling to fundamentally reform the legal immigration process to make it easier to come here, people will find black market ways to get around it.

      How this is a “slap in the face” to people who are qualified and do have the means is beyond me. I would be nothing but happy for them to avoid our horrific experience.

      1. The immigration system itself is the slap in the face to legal immigrants. It’s an expensive, degrading and demoralizing process where human beings are chattel, where the authenticity of marriage is questioned and where people are more or less helpless based upon many factors beyond their control. My wife and I have been dealing with it for three years now.

        Given that you find this country to be such an authoritarian hell-hole, perhaps you’d be better off living in your wife’s native country, whatever that is.

        The rest of us won’t mind – seriously!

        1. The old ‘love it or leave it’ argument. Widely used by the KKK in its day, and currently used by the halfwits who subscribe to A3P type thinking.

            1. Source for what? That the KKK argued,that if blacks didn’t like their situation here they should go back to Africa or that A3P is a racist/nativist organization that subscribes to the idea that if you don’t love America the way its members do, than you should leave.

              If its tha last, all you have to do is click on Slappy’s handle and see for yourself.

              1. I’m pretty sure the KKK never argued that if blacks didn’t like their situation here, they should go back to Africa. I’m pretty sure the KKK argued they should go back to Africa regardless of whether they liked their situation here or not. You’re race baiting and using guilt by association. Everyone who disagrees with you about immigration is a racist.

                1. LOL..Why don’t you click on Slappy’s handle if you think I’m race baiting?

                  Slappy is a card carrying member of A3P an organization designed to promote the ‘values’ of white people.

                  Check out there mission statement.

                  http://american3rdposition.com/?page_id=195

                  Though they have toned down the racist overtones over the past year or so in an attempt to appeal to a wider base.

                  I’m guessing you’re new here as most of the regulars recognize Slappy as our resident racist/fascist.

        2. No, numbnuts, ICE is authoritarian and they’re a model for agencies dealing with citizens.

          It’s as if the Federal Anti-Jerkoff Bureau arrested you for “defaming other commenters,” and others ignored it because they didn’t like you.

        3. I’m not stooping to your level.

          Prick.

          1. ^ This

            I wanted to comment, but it would do the guy no good. Maybe one day, he will see just how much of a bureaucratic nightmare it is and change his mind.

  38. I like how he feels the need to tell people how much he loves his kids.

    There is so much overt tugging of heartstrings that I instinctively suspect there’s lots more to this story.

    1. Maybe he’s not a trained PR person, and he isn’t sophisticated enough to know that proclaiming love for his kids is suspicious.

      With proper instruction in public relations, he would have known to say that he was only “meh” about his kids, and only wanted them as anchor babies. That would reassure doubters about his honesty!

      1. To be fair, it could have been included because the author is quietly racist and figured white Americans needed to be told that, yes, even Mexicans love their kids.

        But as a general rule, if you’re bragging too much about something that is normally taken for granted, there’s a solid chance you’re full of it.

        1. Here are the objectionable quotes [interviewed on a break for his job, where he undoubtedly rehearsed to get his words just right]:

          “I cannot find the words to tell you how important my kids are to me. I would do anything for them.”

          and

          “In this world there are many injustices. At the very least, I would like them to send my kids to Mexico.”

          What *should* a father in this situation say? “Ay, caramba, it sucks to be me. Well, I have to get back to work now.”

  39. Mike Riggs- what can we do? This cannot be allowed to take place- those children deserve to be with their family!!!!

    1. We can build a nice, big fence on the border, so situations like this will never happen again!

      1. Yeah, that’ll surely solve the “problem”. Since only like 80% of illegal immigrants came here legally on travel visas.

      2. the fence meme is a knee slapper even rick perry neanderthal thought was stupid

  40. My heartstrings have been sufficiently touched.

    How about this story? Person living in (any foreign country not connected to the US) would like to come to the US and work and raise his family. But he can’t because there’s *,000 miles of water between his country and the US, and he can’t swim that far. He and his family contract (horrible disease) and die.

    That one’s sadder.

    1. Is your point that because life is inherently NOT fair and many people live horrible lives for no other reason than by being born in the wrong place and therefore it’s ok that the US government is kidnapping children? Because if it is, that’s an incredibly dumb argument.

    2. Hey you want to know what the British did 150 years ago about that? They went to places like India, approached that guy and said, “We’ll pay for your trip if you work on our plantation for 7 years.” That’s how my great-grandparents got to Trinidad. After their 7 years of indentured servitude were up, they became successful tailors. My grandparents and father continued to improve the family situation.

      We can’t do that anymore because of “stealing jobs” or something.

  41. For some reason I don’t think we are getting all the facts. The difference between this one and the boy from Cuba is that the boy from Cuba was born in Cuba. What I don’t understand is why the mother just didn’t pack up and go to Mexico when the dad was deported. When a US citizen chooses to marry someone who is here illegally and then have children, then you should understand there is a chance the one here illegally will be deported. I have seen this happen with some I know, but then people need to accept responsibility for their own actions and how those actions will affect their families.

    1. Re: Memo,

      When a US citizen chooses to marry someone who is here illegally and then have children, then you should understand there is a chance the one here illegally will be deported.

      None of this gives validity to the action taken by the State to kidnap the woman’s children. If being poor becomes prima facie evidence of child abuse, many Americans better hide their chidren from the prying eyes of the the State, as it is here to play the role of Baba Yaga.

  42. For Mike Riggs –

    Fact Check: you refer to “Allegheny County child welfare department” …

    Sparta, North Carolina is in Alleghany County, North Carolina.

    Allegeheny County is in Western Pennsylvania with the county seat being Pittsburgh.

    1. Fact check: More than one place can have the same name.

      (there’s also an Allegheny County, New York)

    2. Not sure whether it’s fact check or spell check. There are “Allegheny” Counties (four different spellings) in MD, NY, PA, NC and VA. I suspect that Riggs is at worst guilty of undue reliance on spell-check and assuming that there was one standard spelling of the name.

  43. HARDLY the most vile and inhumane immigration story.
    I see rampant stupidity and government overreaching, but no more vile than any dozen other “children’s services” horror stories you can hear on a weekly basis.

    If the children do not belong with their mother, then they belong with their father, in Mexico. It really doesn’t get any more simple than that. There is no authority for the state to sever the parental bonds on any other basis extant in these facts.

  44. Dad is less than a day’s drive away in his parent country. Mom and kids can join him at any time. Its not like the kids are being sent to Hell.

    I split from most Reason readers on illegal immigration. I want either all the Constitution back or we’ll wind up with none of it either way. Illegal immigrants are put on the country’s dole, which short circuits the American Dream and are almost guaranteed future supporters of ideologies that don’t support the constitution. I’ll be sympathetic to illegal immigrants as soon as the entitlements are gone. Until then, I’m fighting for what’s left of the America I know.

    1. How exactly are the kids supposed to join him in Mexico after they have been adopted by other families?

    2. I want either all the Constitution back or we’ll wind up with none of it either way.

      Immigration code has nothing to do with the Constitution, beyond being in the jurisdiction of the federal government. Seizing peoples’ children without due process, however, certainly violates the Constitution.

      Illegal immigrants are put on the country’s dole, which short circuits the American Dream and are almost guaranteed future supporters of ideologies that don’t support the constitution.

      Nice overgeneralization you got there.

      I’ll be sympathetic to illegal immigrants as soon as the entitlements are gone.

      Since setting up those entitlements are something they had anything to do with…and since the existence of entitlements somehow devalues their perspectives and experiences… Conditional sympathy, based solely on things outside their control?

      Until then, I’m fighting for what’s left of the America I know.

      The White, Anglophonic one? Or the Melting Pot one?

      1. Immigration code has nothing to do with the Constitution, beyond being in the jurisdiction of the federal government.

        Bull.

        To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

        To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

        and to make clear that this was intended to include the power to regulate entry of persons into the country:

        The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

        If they didn’t think Congress had the power to control immigration, why would they put that there?

        1. Find a single source from the Founders’ time that says that that the “Migration or Importation” clause is about anything but importing slaves.

          If they didn’t think Congress had the power to control immigration, why would they put that there?

          Because they wanted to control the importation of slaves without using the word “slaves”.

          The Confederate States of America had less compunction in their Constitution:

          The importation of negroes of the African race from any foreign country other than the slaveholding States or Territories of the United States of America, is hereby forbidden; and Congress is required to pass such laws as shall effectually prevent the same.

          1. Find a source from the founder’s time that says the first amendment protects pornography.

          2. Or from the 1860s that says the 14th amendment protects gay marriage.

            1. What an odd response. You were the one who explicitly claimed that the founders meant to empower the government to control immigration.

          3. Technically, Article 1, Section 8 referring to naturalization has been construed by courts to include immigration, even though that is not explicitly a function or power of government.

            That said, debates over the immigration code as exists (or if there needs to be one at all) have nothing to do with the Constitution, which merely implies they can regulate it.

            Saying “I want either all the Constitution back” to imply that illegal immigration explicitly violates the Constitution is simply not true.

            1. Yes, in the end this is all academic.

              If the US tomorrow decided to start behaving constitutionally, they could pass a constitutional amendment that empowered control over immigration by the end of the month.

  45. I don’t totally agree with this headline. There is always a back story and this article on presents the facts that these kids have been taken from their parents. Now it is up to the case workers to make sure the decision going forward is the right one for these kids.

  46. I’m a crime!

  47. Let’s see….
    Before you read it…
    #1 Broke the law by coming here illegally.
    #2 Broke the law by getting tickets.
    #3 Broke the law by not paying tickets.
    #4 broke the law driving without a license.
    #5 Broke the law by not having insurance…
    Now read it…
    We will ALL be held accountable for our decisions and acts. Too bad his kids have to pay for his decisions.

    1. Hey moron,

      How does any of those you listed justify forcefully taking his children and giving them over to strangers?

      1. He knew what he was getting into. Or he should have known. I think the policy is stupid, but it’s certainly not unjustifiable.

        If they deported the US citizen kid along with the parents, Riggs would say that was the most vile and inhumane thing imaginable.

        All roads lead to open borders with Reason types.

        1. “If they deported the US citizen kid along with the parents, Riggs would say that was the most vile and inhumane thing imaginable.”

          I sort of doubt it. Besides which, the kids being sent to live with a deported biological parent at the behest of that parent isn’t deportation, so long as that parent is still a legal guardian.

      2. Someone isn’t a moron because they disagree with you.

  48. are Felipe’s neighbors and friends illegals too?

    Now, Mandatory E-Verify will begin the exodus

    adios amigos, amigas

  49. AS someone who works in immigration and has personally dealt with thousands of illegals, I can tell you my opinion for what it’s worth: make legal immigration easier. Our irrationally restrictive immigration policy prompts many families to break the law when they otherwise would not, and I would bet that every single one of you who are on your moral high horse shouting “criminal” would do the same thing to help your family. I know I would.

  50. fyi – North Carolina is also where a state employee told a 4 year old girl that her lunch from home was not healthy enough and gave here chicken nuggets. (Her lunch from home was a turkey sandwich, banana, chips and apple juice.)

  51. The policy of keeping kids in the US while deporting their parents is stupid and destructive. I totally agree that families should be kept together (unless the parents want to put the kids up for adoption, which is unlikely to happen).

    It is not an argument for open borders though. You can have controlled borders without producing stories like this. Just deport the kids with the parents.

    1. Kinda hard to deport legal citizens.

      1. they wouldn’t be deported, they’d be taken out of the country by their parents who are being deported.

        1. Parents take their kids out of the country all the time. Of course, if it were a dispute between mother and father the govt. would get involved, but if the wife is OK with it, why can’t Dad bring his kids to Mexico? It doesn’t involve violating the immigration laws – they’re not going north across the border, they’re going south – and if Dad is in fact an unfit parent the Mexican courts can say so.

  52. Hmm, lesseehere if I can translate this:
    “Felipe Montes lived and worked in the United States for nine years.” => illegally, breaking the law
    “During that time, he held a full-time job” => illegally, most likely not paying taxes and contributing to society like regular working citizens, i.e. breaking the law
    “paid his bills” => used cash received under the table from his illegal job to pay for groceries and pre-paid cell phones
    “He failed, however, to pay several traffic tickets, or to acquire a driver’s license or car insurance.” => once again, breaking multiple laws
    “As a result, a 2010 traffic stop ended with Montes being taken to a detention center where he was scheduled for deportation.”

    Dear Felipe: No, you were not deported for vehicle violations. If that was an actual law, the population of this country would be down by, oh, about a third. You were deported because you were an illegal immigrant who consistently, repeatedly, and most likely knowingly broke the law.

    There is this principle of your actions having consequences, determining what happens with your life. That’s exactly what happened to you.

    And now everybody is supposed to feel sorry because of this slanted subjective excuse of an article that conveniently overlooks your transgressions and now jerks people’s heart strings “Oh, but you have to think of the children?”

    Well, hate to tell you, but you should have thought about your children before you decided stick it to your wife without a condom in America.

    I happen to be a legal immigrant. I spent countless hours and much money on filing forms, consulate interviews, doctor visits, etc. to play by the rules, obtain a visa, a green card, and eventually a passport. I came to this country with a few suitcases, a handful of cash, and not much else. I started at the bottom. I worked in shipping and receiving, as a receptionist, file clerk, any shit job I could get just to get some work experience, and I worked my way up from there to where I am now. I followed the rules, i obeyed the law, I worked my ass off, and I tried to make good decisions along the way. And I did that without a college degree, a trust fund, or any other safety net. So, the system works, as tough and complicated and inconvenient as it may be.

    I am very sorry to hear what situation your children are in right now, honestly. I agree they should not be in this mess. However, the only reason they are is a direct result of your decisions and choices in life. That I cannot feel sorry for.

    I’m sorry if those rules and laws are inconvenient to you and you disagree with them, or worse, you are ignorant of them. Either way, it’s no excuse to break them.

    Are they perfect? Nope. Do we need to improve and simplify them? Probably. Should your children and wife have been deported as well to be with you? Absolutely.

    That being said, no – this is not “The Most Vile and Inhumane Immigration Story You Will Read This Week”. Mike Riggs, I respectfully suggest you reconsider either your approach to journalism or your career choice altogether.

    1. Wow! You are a patriot 😉

      “I spent countless hours and much money on filing forms, consulate interviews, doctor visits, etc. to play by the rules, obtain a visa, a green card, and eventually a passport. I came to this country with a few suitcases, a handful of cash, and not much else. I started at the bottom. I worked in shipping and receiving, as a receptionist, file clerk, any shit job I could get just to get some work experience, and I worked my way up from there to where I am now. I followed the rules, i obeyed the law, I worked my ass off, and I tried to make good decisions along the way. And I did that without a college degree, a trust fund, or any other safety net. So, the system works, as tough and complicated and inconvenient as it may be.”

  53. There must be more to this story because the mother could have taken the children with her to Mexico by obtaining passports.I don’t think it is inhumane to deport illegal aliens that violate our border and laws.

    1. I agree, it doesnt seem like we’re getting the full story here. Sad to see so many supposed ‘rational’ libertarians jerk their knees so quickly without looking into it more.

  54. Intuitive Illegal Immigration 101 http://bit.ly/fVo2Tz

  55. I don’t really know the whole situation or these people to make much of any comment on it either way..if he is illegally here..the law pertains.

  56. Liberal organizations NEVER look far enough up the stream when determining who’s being unjust. The illegal immigrant should have thought twice about breeding if he finds the risk of being deported without his children so unthinkable. Ultimately, he should have migrated LEGALLY.

  57. Who is the real illegals in this country? And to have their babies taken away to be put in foster homes to be abused. Only in american.

  58. Who is the real illegals in this country? And to have their babies taken away to be put in foster homes to be abused. Only in american.

  59. As heart wrenching a story this may be, you still not elude the FACT that this person was illegal. All I hear now days from the illegal advocates are the worse story they have on record and because of this one incident we should overlook our laws ? We shouldn’t hold illegals responsible for the crime and accidents they cause ? OUTRAGEOUS.
    They know they are here illegally, they know America has requirements and they get more free stuff than our own citizens. I might have sympathy for one of two individuals, but don’t have sympathy for this group.

  60. I came here at age 9 with strangers, was lost and then detained, all in an attempt to find my mother who came to the US to escape the terror of Hurricane Mitch.
    When I finally found my mom at age 9 in Georgia, she had started a new family,
    and though I love her, I was not accpeted. I now live with another American family. In
    spite of many challenges I have a 4.0 GPA in an IB high school, where I am in
    the National Honor Society. I have produced a video about my engaging and
    compelling story that I hope will help The Dream Act and kids like myself.

    Here is the link, I think you will find it a great and positive story:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpqvnM_IqFs

    I have also written a manuscript about my journey, “Lost in America: A Young
    Hispanic’s Quest for Hope,” to be published by SF Communications of Georgia in
    April 2012.

    Candelario, age 17
    http://www.candelario.org

  61. I came here at age 9 with strangers, was lost and then detained, all in an attempt to find my mother who came to the US to escape the terror of Hurricane Mitch.
    When I finally found my mom at age 9 in Georgia, she had started a new family,
    and though I love her, I was not accpeted. I now live with another American family. In
    spite of many challenges I have a 4.0 GPA in an IB high school, where I am in
    the National Honor Society. I have produced a video about my engaging and
    compelling story that I hope will help The Dream Act and kids like myself.

    Here is the link, I think you will find it a great and positive story:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpqvnM_IqFs

    I have also written a manuscript about my journey, “Lost in America: A Young
    Hispanic’s Quest for Hope,” to be published by SF Communications of Georgia in
    April 2012.

    Candelario, age 17
    http://www.candelario.org

  62. I came here at age 9 with strangers, was lost and then detained, all in an attempt to find my mother who came to the US to escape the terror of Hurricane Mitch.
    When I finally found my mom at age 9 in Georgia, she had started a new family,
    and though I love her, I was not accpeted. I now live with another American family. In
    spite of many challenges I have a 4.0 GPA in an IB high school, where I am in
    the National Honor Society. I have produced a video about my engaging and
    compelling story that I hope will help The Dream Act and kids like myself.

    Here is the link, I think you will find it a great and positive story:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpqvnM_IqFs

    I have also written a manuscript about my journey, “Lost in America: A Young Hispanic’s Quest for Hope,” to be published by SF Communications of Georgia in
    April 2012.
    Candelario, age 17
    http://www.candelario.org

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