New Paper Finds Stimulus Spending Funds Government Employment, But Not Private Sector Growth
It's common enough to find discussions of economic stimulus that revolve around the assumption that government spending produces a positive multiplier: Spend one dollar, boost the larger economy by two. But at the very least, the aggregate evidence that government spending consistently produces positive economic growth is murky. When University of California economist Valerie Ramey reviewed the literature on stimulus spending for the Journal of Economic Literature last year, she found that the literature suggested that temporary, deficit-financed government purchases result in multipliers somewhere between 0.8 and 1.5, but that "reasonable people can argue" that the data indicate multipliers as high as 2 but as low as 0.5.
This sort of variation doesn't tell us whether the multiplier is positive or negative. Instead, it tells us that the evidence isn't clear, that economists don't agree, and that sweeping conclusions about the positive effects of stimulus spending don't hold up.
Now Ramey has found additional evidence that the lower range is more likely to be the correct one. In a new paper for the National Bureau of Economic Research, Ramey asks two questions. First, does increased government spending result in an economic stimulus that increases private sector spending? Second, does more government spending increase employment?
Ramey, who's been criticized in the past for her choice of samples and variables, addresses those concerns here by running the numbers using multiple statistical techniques and historical samples. But no matter how she arranges the data, she finds the same result: "An increase in government spending never leads to a signi?cant rise in private spending. In fact, in most cases it leads to a signi?cant fall." The upshot? According to Ramey, the evidence suggests that the multiplier for government spending is probably below the even-money mark. It's a bad investment.
There are some benefits, however—just not for the private sector. Ramey finds evidence that government spending can increase employment—mostly by hiring people to work for the government. "Increases in government spending raise government employment," she writes, "but not private employment." This is contrary to President Obama's 2009 promise that "more than 90 percent of jobs created under this recovery act will be in the private sector." Stimulus spending: Good for the government, not so great for the rest of us.
(Thanks to Cato's Tad DeHaven for the pointer.)
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This article on American gridlock I think made some interesting points on government spending
http://www.johnmauldin.com/out.....n-gridlock
http://www.johnmauldin.com/out.....ock-part-2
It has a lot to recommend it theoritically, particularly the difference between different types of government spending, but I wonder how it would play out in real life.
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The upshot? According to Ramey, the multiplier for government spending is probably below the even-money mark. It's a bad investment.
** rising intonation **
What about the good intentions?
That's what they use to pave the roads with.
They money, OTOH, went to paying back Democratic donors.
Examples?
A quick google returns too many hits to post.
At least the economy's vampires are healthy. I was worried about that.
So wait...
She's saying that I can't get rich, over time, by taking money from my left pocket, tearing some of it up, and putting the rest in my right pocket?
And if I borrow $1000, that doesn't make me a net $2000 richer?
Well, color ME surprised.
Instead of tearing some of it up, you could use it to buy something you didn't want or something you want but at a higher price than it's worth to you.
Economically, there's no real difference, to me. But you're right, I could stimulate the economy by paying someone ELSE to tear it up. THEN I'd get rich for sure!
Don't you understand? If you destroy all of the factories, then you give people jobs destroying all those factories, and they can use the money they got paid for destroying factories to buy more products created in the factories!
Where's the catch? I don't see one. It's a virtuous cycle. Duh!
You can trade torn money for money that is fine. I think the requirement is that the torn bill has to have "greater than half left". It might be possible to tear a bill roughly in half but on a funny angle and get double the face value, if the teller doesn't scrutinize it too closely. I know I wouldn't give a shit for what they get paid.
The government could hire people to tear up the bills at just the right angle to fool the clerks. That would double GDP AND create jobs.
This requires an academic study at once, conducted by top psychology scholars.
Plus, we all know markets will fail to provide enough funding for this kind of important scientific research.
From article - "First, does increased government spending result in an economic stimulus that increases private sector spending? Second, does more government spending increase employment?"
Econ 101 tells you that govt spending crowds out private spending/growth. Duh.
Econ 101 always talk about a multiplier effect for government spending.
Of course not all government spending is the same. For example, something like cash for clunkers would have a very different level of return from something like building a highway (assuming there is demand for that highway).
There's actually a negative multiplier.
You have to obtain the stimulus money through taxation; an endeavor in itself that costs money. Or through borrowing; which carries an interest payment that will eventually need to be paid.
All stimulus does is elongate the bust cycle. I'd say we've got another 15 years in this one.
It's actually a fraction or a decimal less than 1. I suppose a negative multiplier would mean additional cost is greater than the initial amount spent plus return on investment.
Actually if you look back at your econ 101, the money is obtained through debt.
As to actual stimulus, it really depends on what it's spent on what the final multiplier will be.
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As long as the central bank targets inflation, the fiscal multiplier is roughly zero. End of story.
Government stimuli stimulate government growth.
Old news is ... old?
Didn't Hayek debunk the "multiplier" crap decades ago?
The short version. The Keynesians argue that a positive multiplier effect exist because the private economy is not at peak performance during a recession so government stimulus can make up the difference. The counter to that is the stimulus is not coming out of some imagined differential between the last peak and the current condition, but entirely out of the current condition, so the entire weight of the stimulus is born on the current condition.
Be honest. If a report came out showing that government stimulus fostered private sector growth, would Reason report it? You guys put the C in confirmation bias.
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"maximum impotence"
Wouldn't that be castration?
No, even the castrated have a better chance of reproducing than Max.
You would have an easier time finding the Holy Grail than a report that factually proves that government stimulus helped private sector growth.
Yeah, that's why we all believe Ron Paul is going to be the next POTUS.
/sic.
Reason has reported on every report that has ever shown this conclusively, and in great detail.
Did you read the article, Max? Let me quote for you:
They cited a review that includes reports "showing that government stimulus fostered private sector growth".
I wondered how long it would take for some liberal numskull to resort to the "deny and counter-accuse" tack without offering any evidence to support said claims.
Apparently I have my answer, 40 minutes or so.
Ooo, and we have a lefty classic below, a remarkably unoriginal variation on, "nuh uh and your a doo-doo head."
Although to be fair, the left does not hold exclusive domain over either argument types.
"she found that the literature suggested that temporary, deficit-financed government purchases result in multipliers somewhere between 0.8 and 1.5"
And how, exactly, do the past 11 years qualify as "temporary".
In the long run, we're all temporary.
So can we get a refund?
Of course. Whenever we run out of funds, you get to re-fund us.
Another study showed that darkness tends to subside as the sun rises.
What, more "consensus" in place of science?
"Stimulus spending: Good for the government, not so great for the rest of us."
The next conclusion should be obvious.
The next conclusion would be that you're a fucking dimwit.
That sort of language aimed at your sovereign will not be tolerated
So how does this explain that since the stimulus government jobs are lower and private sector jobs are higher?
Luckily, there were tax cuts in the stimulus as well.