Why Ron Paul Might Pull the Mormon Youth Vote
"I think it's definitely possible to be a libertarian and a Mormon," says Dustin Peterson, BYU-Idaho student and board member of Latter-Day Saints for Ron Paul.
Peterson, who spent time volunteering for the Paul campaign in Iowa, spoke with Reason.tv while in Spokane, WA about why Ron Paul might take Mormon votes away from the only Mormon in the race.
While many political analysts believe Mitt Romney has a near-monopoly on the Mormon vote, Ron Paul has spent considerable time courting LDS members living in Western caucus states like Nevada and Idaho (which happen to be the states where he performed best in 2008).
While he expects most Mormons to fall into line behind Romney, Peterson says Mormons have many reasons to support Ron Paul, including theological ones.
"Within our faith, there's a concept called 'agency,' and that's close to liberty," says Peterson. "We're taught to make choices and to decide based on our agency."
While Peterson believes that Mitt Romney will still win most of the Mormon vote, he's hopeful about the future.
"About half the students at BYU-Idaho are Ron Paul supporters, and the other half support Mitt Romney," Peterson says. "There's a battle going on right now on the campuses about the future of the Republican Party."
About 2 minutes. Interview by Zach Weissmueller. Shot by Sharif Matar. Edited by Weissmueller.
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If I remember correctly, the percentage of the population that is naturally curious is about 7%.
Those are people who dont appeal to authority to get answers, they try to figure out the answers for themselves. They also tend to be more self-reliant and hold themselves responsible for their own decisions. These are the believers in Liberty. If you include people who are only moderately curious the percentage still does not rise past 20%.
These are the only people who can be swayed to vote for Paul.
The vast majority of the population wants answers handed to them by experts and the means of living handed to them by government. They want their battles fought for them, their retirement provided for them etc etc. . The further away from the 'naturally curious' end of the spectrum you go, the more democrats you find, and the fewer Paul supporters you find.
A Libertarian has no chance of winning the presidency, I am sorry to say. Unless we can figure out how to weed out those that are mentally feeble, the best they will ever do is make a strong showing.
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No he mentioned it. He just uses Al Sharpton's teleprompter's spelling.
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a "serious" economist. A "serious" politician. When do we meet a "serious" shrike?
Sorry I couldn't read further after your "serious" BS. It distracts me from being a serious commenter.
Its worth asking why libertarians are disposed to believe full-mooner conspiracy shit. It rose out of the Bircher movement I suspect.
There used to be a site called the Liberty Forum and is was great.
It was the anti-Semitic Birchers vs. the modern libertarians and a 24/7 knuckle fight.
It's worth asking why shrike is so god damn stupid. Is it a conspiracy? Or was he just born that way?
The reason for the disposition is simple. Libertarians believe that government is evil, and when you drop in a bit of paranoia, they start believing that all evil comes from government.
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A Libertarian has no chance of winning the presidency, I am sorry to say. Unless we can figure out how to weed out those that are mentally feeble, the best they will ever do is make a strong showing.
Why do you say this when most TEAM RED and TEAM BLUE players are entirely saturated with feeble-minded individuals?
I think more and more people are wrapping their heads around two things: 1) the difference between teams is much smaller than advertised and 2) change to the system is not going to happen quickly.
Over time, Paul's ideas begin to resonate: they see the debt rising with no end in sight, they begin to ask why we have to bankroll the rest of the world, and they get ample of evidence of why one should NOT depend on govt.
Best thing I can say about Romney is maybe it's time we actually tried running govt like a business. Plenty of people have talked about it but most were politicians who only knew about gaining partisan advantage. A company entails multiple viewpoints and requires buy-in across them in order to succeed. Businessfolks have had to cobble together different viewpoints; politicians refuse to. That approach cannot be worse than what is currently being done.
I hate to tell you, but Romney will run the country just like the past 3 presidents have.
I don't think so. Romney's past shows a willingness to deal with opposite viewpoints. In Mass, he had to work with an overwhelming Dem majority in the Legislature. With the Salt Lake Olympics, he had to work with disparate personalities. I don't see him using Obama's "I won" bullshit. I could be wrong but his background indicates wanting to get things done.
yeah, sweet. Moderation. That way we can all lose together.
Know who else wanted to "get things done?"
I should have been clearer. I meant weed them out of the general population, not the libertarian party. I was trying to say that as people get more and more feeble minded they tend to go team red first, then team blue as they really reach the dumb end of the scale.
Less stupid people would mean more libertarian votes, percentage wise.
It would only take a few thermonuclear devices.
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Romney assuming all his fellow Mormons are going to vote for him is just as ignorant and arrogant as Obama assuming all blacks will vote for him.
The real question is, who will black mormons vote for?
Those exist?
In the United States, 3% of members are black.
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I guess you don't watch, "House"?
I quit watching at about season 4 or 5. Whenever House got put in the mental hospital; he was my hero right up until he quit drugs.
But I just remembered the black mormon intern that was a candidate for his staff position.
Oh, House is back on drugs. The show is better than ever.
I stopped watching when he seemed to be having an affair with the other doctor's wife, but maybe that was a delusion and maybe she had died in an accident. I have no idea what was real and what not now.
What about Thirteen?
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Neither will Jason Sudeikis.
Romney assuming all his fellow Mormons are going to vote for him is just as ignorant and arrogant as Obama assuming all blacks will vote for him.
I think it is simply realistic for Obama to assume he'll get 90%+ of the votes of those black voters who show up at the polls. This is a strongly Democratic demographic. His problem is more that the turnout among black registered voters might be a lot lower due to disenchantment.
Racist.
All the very best people are called that now. It's the hippest new honorific.
I figure if I throw it out there enough, it'll become a "boy that cried wolf" situation.
That happened long ago. Since all the people who cry racism are involved in rounding up poor black kids and selling them to educrat cartels to get campaign donations for Democrats, when anyone uses the word now I Just write them off as an idiot and liar.
Well I'd hate to be on that list for using it satirically.
I can bet that virtually everyone who would call you a racist, unless you've just done something horrifically racist, has also called a black person an Uncle Tom, house nigger, lawn jockey, etc.
The biggest racists are those who actually think that unless blacks vote for Team BLUE, they are race traitors who hate themselves.
Black votes comprised 11% of the total vote in 2008. Although it is comforting for Obama to have 11% of the vote in his hip pocket, it is no guarantee of victory. It is actually the white vote that is more important to Obama's success. A lot of white folks voted to participate in an historic event. That sense of history and awe will be missing this cycle. People may begin to actually care about issues, and the cult of personality, history making, and all the other nonsense from 2008 won't matter.
A lot of white folks voted to participate in an historic event.
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exactly. Far more voted FOR Obama BECAUSE OF his race than against him, but the intellectually dishonest refuse to admit that. Sometimes, history-making is not all it's cracked up to be.
Here in Utah there is a healthy constituent of Mormon Paul supporters. And most of us are under 40. And all of us get into arguments with our parents about Paul. Something that I've realized about baby-boomers: They've been raised on war. Candidates who want war are strong and patriotic. Those who don't, are Commie-lovers.
Even boomers I knew as opposed to the Vietnam war are raring to go against Iran. Probably has something to do with being young and draftable in 1967 and being old and knowing the grandkids won't be draftable in 2012.
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This boomer is the opposite. I learned my lesson.
The older generation of Mormons seem to be badly misreading the parts of the Doctrine and Covenants that talk about agency. That generation seems to be taking Satan's side politically, trying to use coercion to stop behavior they find immoral instead of letting people make mistakes and learn from them, and relying on their missionaries to persuade sinners to change their minds and behaviors.
My parents are conservative, Christian, GOP'ers. I don't even discuss Dr. Paul with them. They think he's a kook, and I am, "throwing away my vote." Somewhere along the way, they grew this strange attachment to Israel, and want blood any time they perceive it to be threatened.
It's kind of funny because they don't care about drugs, homos, or any of the social/cultural GOP talking points. But if you don't show enough support for Israel, you can't be their candidate. It's weird.
My parents are the same way. They wake up every day and peek out the window to see if Jesus is pulling the guts out of all the non-believers in the Apocalypse.
Any president that won't "protect" Israel is a non-starter and a possible Anti-Christ. They were on the Huckabee team in 08 and this year. Romney confuses them but they are sure Obama is a Muslim.
"Them Mormons do believe in Christ, don't they? Why do they need a different Bible?"
Oh, shit. I forgot that Romney was a Mormon. I doubt my folks could pull the lever for one of those. Or a Catholic. I'm guessing they want someone to swoop in at the GOP convention, and get the nomination. Probably Sarah Palin or Jeb Bush or Evan Bayh.
I knew it, shrike is a teenager rebelling against his uncool parents.
My parents are Republicans too, although not very religious. the weird thing is, they've actually come around to a lot of Paul's viewpoints the last few years. For example, my dad was a hawkish Iraq war supporter prior to 2008, but now thinks we should get the hell out, ditto for Afghanistan and Libya. And even my fucking mom, despite being a big drug war supporter, now thinks that we should "probably" legalize drugs.
And yet, my dad is more concerned with "beating Obama," which he thinks Ron Paul could never do, and told me he will "hold his nose" and vote for Mitt Romney should he get the nomination. And of course he told me I would "throw away" my vote if I voted LP in the general election. And I both overheard my parents saying after the NH primary that Ron Paul is not a "serious" candidate. WTF?
They listen to the news too much.
Too bad we can never have another election without the 24 hour news talking heads.
Well, whenever I see them with the TV on, they are almost ALWAYS watching Fox news, so there you go.
I'd like to probe them the next time we discuss politics to see what exactly their problem is with Ron Paul. they seem like the type who would support him. I imagine I'll hear something about Paul's "goofy" image, or perhaps that he "blamed" america for 9/11. To some extent, I kind of understand why some people dismiss him out of hand. After all, he is a somewhat poor public speaker. But that's a pretty shallow reason to not vote for someone.
House is back on drugs. The show is better than ever.
Just as long as Team House still have an unlimited budget and unfettered access to every conceivable type of treatment in the universe of modern medication.
And, of course, no idea whatsoever what might actually be wrong with the patient.
One day we'll watch House reruns and say "Man, why the fuck did we socialize medicine? We used to have our fucking shit together."
I'm hoping this is the last season. I've been pleasantly surprised at how good the show has been and I would hate to see them drag it down again.
I'm glad they added the Asian doctor, it's about time they A, provide an accurate look at the racial demographics of young medical doctors and B, give us a female doctor that isn't just eye-candy like that annoying other new female doctor.
She is nothing more than eye candy. She couldn't act her way out of a wet paper bag.
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Even as an anti-communist who hates everything about the Cuban government and Venezuela's goofball strongman Chavez, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen has long struck me as being pure fucking evil with no bounds of conscience applied to her agenda:
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why do you confine your attitude toward the right? Leon Panetta this week raised the flag about how Israel "may" attack Iran sometime this spring. Now, how often does the SecDef do something like that, particularly in a Dem administration? Then again, it's an election year; countries hate to switch riders during war time.
Are you shitting me? Last week I was pining for Obama to be impeached, tried for murder, and have a date with old Sparky down Florida way.
BTW, I'm anti-death penalty in cases where an innocent person could be accidentally put to death, but that is not possible when a politician is on trial, so I have fewer qualms.
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And her son fucking sucked at baseball too. I played with him for years, along with Jeb Bush's son (who was even worse). Sadly (or more likely fortunately), playing with those two and having their parents around (having secret service at all of the ball games during Bush the First's campaign was awkward) was as politically connected as I've ever been.
He has made an impact. The local missionaries wandering the condo complexes of South Orange County are no longer asking me if I want to talk about Jesus. They ask if I want to talk about the Federal Reserve.
"Mormons will be shot. Surviving Mormons will be shot again."
"Morons will be shot. Surviving Morons will be shot again."
New motto.
There number of Mormons who vote for Mr. Paul will be about the same as the number of Evangelical Christians who vote for the She Devil...666!
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Lots of talk even among non-libertarians now about the Paul/Romney alliance and how they've been friends since 2008 and Paul is defending Romney on all his gaffes (Bain/"poor people") and that Paul is allied with Romney to get Rand a position of power in Romney's admin.
But I think I've figured why Paul and Romney are getting along.
Reason just did a profile on Romney where they mentioned that he seems to talk more than anything about his love of "the Sound of Music" the movie he and his wife saw on their first date.
Paul's favorite movie?
"The Sound of Music," judging by an offhand remark he made in an interview about his role in the Bruno film available on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHVnDQOsOic
Yeah, but Paul was rooting for the Nazis.
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Sure, RON PAUL is in favor of legalizing pot and prostitution.
Problem is, in a Ron Paul America, only the rich will be able to afford hookers and pot. Everyone else is dirt poor and starving, fighting over scraps of food in a totalitarian wasteland of 50 separate Balkanized corporate fiefdoms, some of which have even brought back slavery and witch-burning.
You can say that again.
Yeah, -that- argument has merit.
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"I think it's definitely possible to be a libertarian and a Mormon," says Dustin Peterson, BYU-Idaho student"
Gee, thanks for permission, Dustin -- I've been a Libertarian and a Mormon since before you were born.
This one time, Paul was treating a colored woman for pregnancy, and when he delivered the baby, he asked for money. She says, 'you said you were doing this for free.' Paul laughed in her face, and said, 'the delivery was free, but now you gots to pay me for the baby.' She cried and pleaded and said, 'but I have no money.' He then took the baby as a dildo and crammed it up his ass, and when he was through molestering the baby he shot it out of his ass out of sixth story window, and said to her, 'nothin's free, bitch!' That Ron Paul is a very, very bad man! Very sick! Very disturbed!
As Veep, Ron would insulate Mitt from the specter of Iranian assassins, terrified lest the Mormon Bomb fall into libertarian hands.
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