GOP South Carolina CNN Debate Open Marriage Thread, Post-Rick Perry Edition!
Well, this one won't be lacking in entertainment value, will it?
Newt surges! Marianne dishes! Perry '86es! Santorum wins Iowa after all, maybe! Ron Paul…has a hot air balloon taken down. And those are just the headlines from today.
CNN's Wolf Blitzer, as usual, is ready to ask the hard questions (and upload them to YouTube). Such as:
The four remaining candidates have been beating up on each other in recent days. Will they have the guts to blast their opponents when they are standing right next to them?
No due respect to Wolf, there are some other interesting brain-ticklers, such as:
* Will John King's inevitable so-long Marianne question be a win, a win-win, or a positively Friedmanesque win-win-win for Newt Gingrich in the near-term of the South Carolina primary?
* Will Ron Paul continue to attack only his non-Romney competitors, will he finally direct fire toward the decidedly non-libertarian Mitt in the hope that a Gingrich comeback victory in the S.C. punctures the whole electability bubble, or will he just spend the debate hopping up and down on Rick Santorum's fingers?
* Will Paul be challenged for not hi-fiving the Osama bin Laden assassination, not understanding the grave threat of a nuclearized Iran, not knowing who wrote his retarded old newsletters, or all of the above? In every case, DRINK!
* Will we really waste time bashing a private equity firm for not being a full-employment factory?
* Will there be any mention of the following non-trivial subjects: The Euro-zone fiscal crisis, the America-zone fiscal crisis, the drug war-fueled civil war in Mexico, the drug war-fueled drug war in America?
* What will be averaged elapsed time between "Hey Mitt, how come you totally 180'd on this particular position?" and him totally changing the subject–10 seconds, five, or three?
I would ask more, but we're up against the clock here, and y'all need some time to work out the rules of the drinking game.
Your Final Four:
Mitt Romney: Profile, Reason coverage page
Newt Gingrich: Profile, coverage
Rick Santorum: Profile, coverage
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CNN has dubbed Gingrich as "on the rise." I wonder what "frontrunner" November Newt Gingrich thinks about that?
He probably wonders how Ron Paul beat him in Iowa and New Hampshire and in fourth quarter fundraising (13M to 9M).
CNN: "The candidates are a in a dead heat."
Erhh, not according to the latest CNN poll.
This is like the worst chat room ever.
CNN's Wolf Blitzer, as usual, is ready to ask the hard questions (and upload them to YouTube).
Awesome.
You could be a moderator, Hugh AksTonsOfQuestions.
Nobody would tune in for that. If you really want ratings for your debate, invite HeWhoShallNotBeNamed to moderate.
You're my hero, "Hugh."
Why the hell is Ron Paul on the end again
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Thank you, CNN. I've always wondered how those candidates got behind the podiums on other debates.
Whoulda thunk that Santorum would be in the last four?
My Agatha Christie sense tells me this means HE MUST BE the murderer.
LOL
national anthem? is this std practice for debates?
No, they just play it every few hours in South Carolina at public gatherings.
lol
Ok, John King. You've saved the remote from going through the TV by telling me that you already did the pledge.
HAHAH I see DADT repeal is already gaying up the place
And King throws in a "fabulous" to boot
No Perry means more time for Gingrich and Romney and less time for Paul.
Are you serious, man?
National Anthem? Why you suck so much CNN?
Sucking CNN causes one to play the nation's anthem?
What, they're still doing the anthem five minutes in? Did I miss an awesome pregame show?
Will Katy Perry do the halftime show?
And if so, how does one become the halftime show?
I guess perry got the gong.
Sweet.
CNN just wants to make those of us who hate awkward and inappropriate kitsch even less comfortable with our patriotism.
Oh no, I forgot, I wonder if we'll have the non-stop guttural noises from John King on this debate.
We've been through this 20 times, CNN, we don't need this all again.
WE ALREADY KNOW WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE.
I'm newt gingrich and I've been married, what, 3 times now?
I like Paul's tie.
You think you've got problems? I've got Pawlenty!
Holy crap, CNN. This is your first question?
did ron paul seem disappointed he was the only service member on stage? does he miss his governor?
I'm Fist of Etiquette. I am a staunch anti-Communist, an avid collector of Hentai memorabilia and a makeout artist.
Haha, going straight for Newt eh.
CNN starts by interviewing Newt instead of, ya know, hosting a debate.
I'm not going to like, Gingrich really does rock these debates.
Win the crowd and you shall win your freedom.
Newt wants to see other debate moderators.
Gingrich: when decent people won't run for office, you get guys like me.
Newt: "I am appalled you would bring up my moral shortcomings!"
Maybe at some point the Republican primary voters will wake up and realize that Ron Paul and Rick Santorum are the only halfway decent candidates left, and only one of them has any hope of beating Obama.
Too bad literally HALF the candidates in the allegedly "small government" party support the individual mandate. As sad: one of the ones who doesn't is Santorum. *shivers
Thank you for making yourself the even bigger bad guy in the room, CNN.
LOL, CNN just handed the SC primary to Newt Gingrich.
LOL, CNN just handed the SC primary to Newt Gingrich.
So, "win-win-win," then.
Does Newt have control of the applause machine? It seems awfully prompt and together.
Yeah Newt, despicable, possibly a close second to what you pulled on your second wife if what she said is true.
Gingrich: character counts...until it doesn't.
Gingrich is staking out the position that his personal foibles are out of bounds.
"Now, let's talk about Monica Lewinski."
I apologize, Mr. Gingrich. Moving on, Mr. Paul, why do you want to destroy America's moral foundations with gay marriage and drugs?
A better question for Ron Paul: why do you suppose your fellow conservatives haven't adopted your plan to balance the budget in your first term without raising taxes, by restoring spending to pre-bailout FY2006 levels?
I take it back, asshole scale is now:
1) South Carolina crowd
2) CNN
3) New
The serial adulterer is morally outraged!
Goddamnit, CNN is making Gingrich look like a victim of a media conspiracy which is the best way for Gingrich to defuse the story.
Matt, but then you are not French
Snap, Paul.
Paul looks relaxed, I hope that's a good sign.
"My wife of 54 years"
PWNED!
What does Ron Paul's answer have to do with Newt Gingrich's dick?
mistresses get more expensive when the Fed devalues the currency?
gigglesnort!
Damn it Ron you are using multi-syllabic words again. You are in South Carolina.
"Bar-B-Q" is a multisyllabic word, to be fair.
I want a new cross-network rule: Audiences must stay quiet.
That would be rule#1 if I ran a debate. Either clear the room, or tell everyone to keep quiet or get pitched.
Agree, but then the next day's ThinkProgress post wouldn't be able to say something like 'SC Repubs cheer excluding gays' or something.
There was a local political debate here in Chicago where the moderator, local news anchor Ron Magers, threaten to cut to commercial and clear the theater if the audience didn't pipe down.
Might need to retract the above comment.
Say it, Newt. Say "fact-based model"!
Oh, Newt, throwing away your extramarital affair good will so soon?
vs. Gingrich's experience in VC and business?
Is having the candidates talk about Newt's problems and Mitt's problems really a debate?
No, but it distracts the viewers' attention away from the colossal increase in spending and debt in the past four (or 12) years
Newt likes to get his humpin' on. What's wrong with that?
Romney cares deeply about the Chinese people and what the Chinese government is doing to them by manipulating their currency.
Too bad he doesn't have the same concern for what the US is doing its people by manipulating its currency.
The Mittster is going to run against Obama tonight.
Would Romney really be that bad? /rationalizing
Get used to that.
Yeah, this lasted hotfix is running pretty smoothly so far.
I was against ever voting for Romney, then I was trying to rationalize then it made it easy not to vote for him: "I would sign NDAA."
I was so happy he was asked the question and gave a straight answer. Now there's no question I'm not voting for him. It was already highly doubtful, but I appreciated him making it a certainty.
I'm not giving in. December 2016, I might be willing to give a backhanded nod to Romney depending on the circumstances, depending on how much better that Obama-Bush he turned out to be, but in January of 2012, no, never!
Is there a reason the candidates are looking at an angle instead of forward?
Jerry, Jerry, Jerry!
I've never seen so many attacks that are nothing more than silver platters for the attacked to look even better than before.
Tomorrow's NYTimes: "Romney says greed is good."
Oh, Santorum is in this?
I missed part of that, what is Romney shoving down Barack Obama's throat?
Jobs?
And big wads of profit.
Jell-O?
Santorum wins the golf clap vote.
Profit good!
Paddling alone? Corporal punishment or S&M? You decide.
I'm just really starting to notice how nobody on stage says "President" Obama
so get talking about 'how' Rick.
We need a party.
I have done that.
-Rick Santorum
Santorum party!!
Santorum's mouth is out of scale to the rest of his face.
Fuck, they're going to bait Paul on the military issue again.
"Tweet your debate questions to #CNNPostgame"
#CNNPostgame Ask RomneyBot a logical paradox so we can watch his circuits overload.
Does he have an identical twin?
Fix the economy. For the troops.
Until we get our economy fixed and our national debt under control, there's NO WAY that we can afford to galavant around the globe bombing people we don't like!
Seriously. Audience. Shut up.
As I sit here refreshing the page every 15 seconds or so, I can't help but feel how big a loser I am.
is it because the GOP hates Americans without cable?
I have [satellite] and CNN comes in just fine. I just find watching these things about as fun as getting teeth pulled sans anesthesia.
The meta debate is much better. But that I'm interested at all in what any of these statist fucks (besides Paul of course) have to say, and that I'm on a libertarian blog instead of fucking/getting/high/playing video games/anything else definitely solidifies my status in society as loser.
You're not the only one who enjoys the commentary more than the actual debate.
oh fuck yeah dr paul post-wwii history for the motherfucking win
Sanatorium disagrees. Like an ass
Yeah, Santorum would have maintained WWII level defense spending indefinitely.
Ron drops some history!
Good, (actually clear, thank God) explanation on history from Paul on absorbing ten million troops.
You can see Santorum itching to say "no, send them to Iran! Then they'll have jobs!"
If we build a bridge to Iran with spoons, that will create jobs for civilians too! Manufacturing sector! Santorum party platform!
If I were there I would shush people.
shush.
the audience. but okay. i'll shush.
Where has THIS Ron Paul been?
The Ron Paul that's not trying to squeeze a lifetime of Austrian economics into 30 seconds is a much better one so far.
That's true Ron, but nobody made them join.
Rick the Chicken Hawk: I lived on a VA site! Make me CiC!
I prefer the guy who served our country over you, Sick.
^yes
Ha, Rick talks about the consequences of the Vietnam War even when is trying to start a new war in Iran.
The mental health damages didn't occur until they came home! You don't have to be a doctor to see what the cause of those illnesses are. Coming home!
Ron is not normally a panderer but In SC I guess it will pay off.
Santorum: Military spending = veterans well being.????
Flip side of "Education spending = Education."
Sigh.
Smart distinction between what federal does vs what state does by Romney.
Veterans should have job preferences? Then why are you running against Ron Paul? Step aside, Rick.
Really Romney? Make the states pay for federal troops?
No surprise that Santorum finds everything disgusting
Rick Santorum: witnessed truamautized veterans growing up, wants to scar a new generation by invading Iran.
Oh look Romney thinks he needs some of Paul's anti-fed vote...
Is anyone thinking of testing the USA military?
I heard homemade bombs and $20, 40 year old kalashnikovs work well.
dooooooooomsdaaaaaaaaaaay
Military strong!
Not getting the feds involved... Did Mitt get a Type RP transfusion this afternoon?
Recent poll had him in second place in S.C. Wonder if that pulled him to the right.
Obama cutting a trillion out of the military? He gets my vote then.
Is Newt about to go after Paul's service?
I'd love to hear from some of these people about how strong is strong enough for our military to be. How are we not there right now?
Dude, China recently acquired their first aircraft carrier. And we only have like a dillion. So we need to stay ahead of them and build more, see?
Ok, my flag is covered with jizz. Can we move on from the pledge, national anthem, and military yet?
Christ, I hope Gingrich wins the nomination. He'll self-destruct shortly after, and it'll be an actual possibility that a third party will win the office.
Yeah Newt, Paul just said that about cutting taxes and letting the economy grow itself. He also wants to provide them better healthcare.
"I'm Newt Gingrich and I favor big government solutions."
No, "Dramatic." Drama is what counts apparently.
Hey Newt, how about we stop creating veterans?
^ But he wants to be commander in chief...what fun is that if you can't blow shit up?
No no, you start a new war where they get killed, and then you can create jobs without having to worry about them coming back.
Tennessee...wtf? They couldn;t find someone from SC?
thingsthatwillneverhappen.txt
"President Gingrich".
N00t served vicariously through his dad, and even today would gladly service the wife of any soldier deployed overseas...
Ah, there he is. The Romney that criticizes democrats for cutting Medicare.
We'll replace it with Romneycare!
No Obamacare! Yes bomb Iranians!
$500 billion cut in Medicare by Obama?
Damn that is impressive.
RomneyCare 2.0 sounds a lot like ObamaCare (which is really RomneyCare 1.0) but with market rhetoric.
AND miniature American flags. Don't forget the flags, you commie.
Biggest difference between Ron Paul and the other three = Ron Paul has principles, the other three have "ideas"
It is an article of faith to them that you can't win elections unless you "offer solutions", by which they mean some new variation on how the state will intervene to solve a particular problem.
That is why Gingrich thrives here. He is a bottomless well of half-baked "fresh ideas" that he dresses up in marketish rhetoric.
Newt knows utopia is only one more private/public partnership away.
Newt distrusts the congressional staffs until he screws them?
Pretty sure he doesn't trust them while he screws them.
Wait, 2 minutes ago Newt was pledging "bold, dramatic solutions" for South Carolina and the military, but now he doesn't trust government planning on healthcare.
doublethink at its finest
It's different! You don't understand his historicalness analysis.
Ugh, by attacking Gingrich at the start of the debate CNN basically took out any willingness of the candidates to attack each other.
Luckily Rick gets desperate now.
yeah you thought wrong
Newt would make a hell of a propagandist but don't don't let him near the E-Ring of Power
Paul/Santorum 2012!
I thought Santorum was seriously about to bring up Iran.
So did I!!!
It's really the gays.
"The biggest issue facing us today..." but then he stayed on topic with Obamacare.
Santorum's always gotta be the turd in the punchbowl.
His favorite movie character is the preacher in Footloose.
You mean santorum in the punchbowl.
Santorum pointing out Romneycare's failures makes me hate him just a teeny bit less.
Okay Paul, next time you speak hammer Santorum on how he supported Bush's perscription drug program and balloned the national debt. He can't say shit about healthcare costs.
I wonder if candidates receive texts on the podium..this would be great advice.
Wish we could tweet him. I wonder if they can have their phones out w/Paul's advisors.
BAM! How about that.
Footsie with the left would be illegal in Santorum's America. He forgot to mention that.
footsie without a promise ring as well.
So Santorum thinks Paul is the only other guy on the stage who could beat O' ?
I want Paul but wish Sanford could magically replace Santorum.
I don't know why Sanford didn't just bring that Argentinian chick up here, take her out on the campaign, and talk about how "despicable" it is if anyone gave him shit about it.
It's working for Newt.
Seriously. Does anyone even remember that incident now? I feel like with this motley crew they would have welcomed him with open arms.
Fuck, if Romney thinks RomneyCare isn't government run, we're screwed if he gets elected! ObamaCare will become even worse.
Oh, Rick. You think the Tea Party still exists as it once did. They don't care about Obamacare anymore.
^^THIS^^
Look at who supports the TP, and who they vote for. It tells you everything you need to know about the TP, and it isn't that they particularly care about the debt/spending issues anymore.
Rand Paul?
COMPASSION?!!? Compassion with other people's money, Romney bot?
IS THIS THING COMMERCIAL FREE? CNN no longer bothers trying for ad sales.
Somebody should bring up the hospitals suing Massachusetts over cost cuts coupled with mandated care.
So Romney attacks ObamaCare for cutting Medicare? WTF?
Santorum may be the best at attacking other candidates. I almost hope he sticks around longer to keep badgering everyone and allow Paul to exist above the fray.
Poor Ron, frozen out by the bitch fest between Ricky and Mittens
"Playing footsies." "Bottom up." Did Santorum just come out?
Possibly -- grab a tissue, quick. It'll stain the sheets.
Romneys forced smile when he's being talked about is so sickening. That alone is enough to never vote for the fucker
Romney is proof science cannot overcome the uncanny valley.
That's what you get when you have nerds programming his charm module.
"mildly amazing" ?
The moderator said a minute ago he would let Paul talk after Romney made a rebuttal. Now Gingrich is talking?
"Mildly amazing" is an oxymoron, moron.
What'd I miss after the open-marriage stuff?
nothing
Gingrich doesn't trust congressional staves, unless of course he's got his two-inch pecker in them.
Mitt is compassionate with other people's money whether they like it or not.
Gingrich: I am a debating machine....
It's a three man debate.
I'd really like him to pipe up right now and say, "if you're not going to ask me questions, I'm not going to stand up here."
Newt = "hundreds of ideas" see Fluffy's reply to me upthread
I want a debate where they all have to get progressively more intoxicated.
"And, as with many blowhards, I said enough things to then endorse the individual mandate."
Rick is a bottom guy.
bottom's up, for sure
well they're at least being apologetic about ignoring dr. paul.
Is King walking off set?
Good for Paul!
Go Ron!
Moderator needs to tell them to STFU.
Can we repeal Obamacare? That question was asked five hours ago.
YESSSS
At least Paul hopefully had a long time to rehearse his answer.
Ok, liberal bloggers, have at it. Ron Paul said people weren't out on the street without medical care in the 60s. We all know this is what you'll focus on, so go ahead, get an early start.
Well they'll point to their own acid-fueled HIV orgies as proof that not enough was done by government.
Get him! Santorum sponsored prescription drug expansion.
ron be dropping bombs up in dis
Ron drops words and it makes him sound loony. I'm already conversant with the arguments but I could see others being confused.
He keeps trying to cram... basically everything about his beliefs into, like, 60 seconds.
He's gotten better about this as time has gone on.
Paul sensed my thoughts and brought up Bush's Medicaid debacle and how Santorum supported it.
Santorum is inconsistent?
^you sent him a text didn;t you?
No, I was just dangling underneath Cloud City having just had my hand cut off and I called out to Paul to hear my thoughts.
Ron Paul to rest of the world: Fuck off, welfare queens.
Heh, nice euphemism from Paul: "overseas spending."
I don't want to change Ron Paul because he's popular because of the way he is, but how on earth did he just turn repealing Obamacare into condemning overseas adventurism?
One of his best answers EVER.
Darn straight.
CNN is going to have Kristol ask Paul to drop out?
Boom. Ron Paul makes the great point that we're heading for insolvency one way or another.
No more Journey psyche-outs.
Uncharacteristically good job cramming a lot of talking points into one answer by Paul.
I think he's had lots of practice getting only 5 minutes in each debate to cram in his key points...as his time gets more equal, I hope he does start to take his time and organize the points for a broader audeince..
I liked how got the specter of inflation in there.
Best part was the commercial break right after it. He rarely is afforded that luxury to avoid having the others attack him on his military comments.
So I think it's safe to say the Gingrich/Santorum love fest has come to an end.
One of them is next to go.
I'm streaming this on my laptop because my roomate is playing Skyrim on the TV, but now my feed cut out. How did Paul finish his answer?
To the effect "when our checks bounce we'll be in worse trouble than we're in tonight."
He beat the other three to death with a speculum.
If only this (where/was?) the Paul we see at all the debates. Overall he seems less fidgety and easier to understand. When he goes into the high-pitched almost preachy kind of voice I think that's when he loses it.
More time to answer will do that I think.
Seriously does it not creep anyone else out as to how small Santorum's mouth is?
cannot unsee...
One of the ads I saw was promotion for the "Narco War" - does that mean we are now fighting Narcs?
We have always been at war with the Narcs.
With only four candidates left, it seems like Paul should have more time to explain himself.
You're new to this, aren't ya?
I can't wait for CNN to not ask about SOPA/PIPA. The topical questions tonight will be devoted to Gingrich's side dishes.
Good point. Paul's the only one to come out about it right?
If Santorum calls Newt a pompous fuck, I will vote for him.
Just said Newt is a friend.
This question for Santorum is pretty stupid, really. It's totally not an issue important to actually, you know, being the fucking president.
Newt is repulsive to women - Santorum to men.
Rick just said "friend" "love him" and "flamboyant" in the same sentence.
"Your chart says your shit's all retarded and you talk like a fag."
Laughed, then spluttered, then coughed uncontrollably. Thanks for reminding me of that.
"not the most flamboyant", "solid"?? Oh man, Santorum is so in the closet.
Besides starting world war 3 I Rick Santorum am harmless.
there's steady and then there's Santorum steady.
Newt Gingrcih's Al Gore moment: I helped Reagan create supply side economics
Newt Gingrich: Ibn Khaldun.
^that's excellent..I had to look that up.
"How big of change to Washington do we want? I've been part of Washington for 25 years!"
Forest Santorum: "I'm not a smart man, South Carolina, but I know what man-on-dog love is!"
I fell asleep briefly, how many times did Gingrich say Tip ONeil?
Just the Tip O'Neil.
Each candidate should have their own Leonard Cohen song.
Go!
Ron Paul has earned the partisan. Romney gets Suzanne, and Santorum gets hallelujah .
"And we need big government!"
Big projects=small penis??
BIG!
Santorum going very personal
Fuck, Santorum has Gingrich's number.
Wow, holy shit
Early morning meetings, eh? Were those holdovers from late night meetings?
If a Pixar animator drew a character that had Santorum's mouth he'd be told to change it as it was not realistic and would freak people out.
wow...this is like insider jokes...
Was that just a Santorum bitch slap?!?!
We are going to need a mop...
I'm not watching the debate, just reading through the comments, but I had an epiphany:
I suspect three out of four of these guys are saying whatever they think is necessary to become President.
Was that profound? I'm not high, but it seemed profound. I might just be dumber than I think I am.
^ you pretty much have it
...both that this was profound and that you're dumber than you think.
Exactly, but Romney is best at it. He has an internal applause-o-meter and can change his beliefs in mid-sentence to capture more applause.
Neither of these two idiots think '94 happened because of the voters.
Poor Paul needs to start having affairs and ethics violations. Seems to get you respect.
Cavorting with racists doesn't count?
Define "cavort".
Nice to see Santorum and Gingrich tear each other down for the pure spectacle.
What Gingrich is failing to mention is that he was opposing conservative leadership.
I'm assuming Newt and Santorum's strategy is to simply act like Paul isn't there and fight for the final spot against Romney. Which of course helps Ron Paul.
Hey King ask them what Team Fortress characters they think they are.
Not so sure about the others, but Romney is clearly a Spy.
Paul is obviously the Medic.
Paul is keeping above the fray so far.
Not someone who's lived in Washington, but someone who's lived on the rich streets of America, trying to spend their way to Washington.
+111. Would read again.
Okay, Fox's agenda was to marginalize Paul. CNN's agenda seems to be to have Gingrich and Santorum destroy each other. I like CNN better.
why do i get this awful feeling that romney's going to convince paul to run as his veep?
What's so bad about that?
No way Paul's going to do that. Paul doesn't want power, he wants policies, and VP doesn't get him that.
Paul would only be one EMP blast away from the presidency, though.
It might get his ideas more prominence (might since we all know how VP's can tend to disappear). And might help Rand's chances later.
Great. Boehner would be a heartbeat away from the veephood.
Thats not how it works.
nah, Rand should be the VP.
There really is something bizarre about how friendly they are.
agreed
Did Romney just have a Perry moment?
Let Romney be Romney and STFU. He is sucking bad.
Moe Gingrich: "Why you little punk! I made my bones when you were dating cheerleaders!"
I dated football players.
Loved the Newt/Santorum fight.
Alright- the whole Romney/Paul cordiality thing is really starting to become suspect.
I don't know. None of them take him seriously, of course the Romney camp would rather be left with just Paul.
With just Romney and Paul, Paul might pull ahead.
The love that should not speak it's name!
Bargain with the devil to get Rand as Romney's VP?
Really? They were ripping eachother in the last debate. Plus Paul trotted out an anti-Mitt ad in SC.
Paul is simply a friendly guy and Romney wants his voters, so he's trying not to marginalize Paul in the debates.
I think this is it. Romney knows he is the frontrunner, but cant win if a quarter of the party stays home in November.
Maybe they both value a reputation as being fairly "nice", whereas everyone knows that someone like Gingrich is an asshole.
Ha! Gingrich's love for Reagan is unrequited.
"Fundamental". Drink?
Awww, Reagan didn't mention Gingrich in his diary. Gingrich is going to be writing about that in his diary later.
I hate to say it, but good answer by Romney on Washington.
Also: "right regulators" in the Reagan ears? wut?
Gingrich: Under Reagan, we had the Right People in power. Top. Men.
Volcker was appointed by Carter, a historian like Gingrich should know that...
Newt's digging his Washington insider grave
That mouth is hypnotizing. IT's the palantir of mouths
Gingrich is really being stupid here. I don't see how he's painting himself as a conservative alternative when he brings up the fact that he was in Washington while Romney was a businessman.
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Thulsa Gingrich: "For who now is your father if it is not me? I am the well spring, from which you flow."
Paul is on it tonight!
Ron kicks ass again!
Paul's "I don't talk to lobbyists" line was gold.
Totally agree. I almost wish he sold it even more.
GOLD!
We've reached the "ignore Ron Paul" portion of the debate.
Again? Isn't this at least the second time tonight?
Paul: I don't talk to lobbyists.
Mitt: April.
I don't care about your tax returns. I care about your principles.
Day-um, Ron stuck the landing AGAIN!
I'm just going to wait for the highlights, thank you very much!
How else will you get drunk?
Stupid Romney, did you learn nothing from Paul's answer?
Who the hell cares?
My wife took over the TV so I'm out.
Your wife sound like one of those occupiers...
Santorum turning the folksy up to 11.
Gingrich is so fucking Inside Baseball on every topic.
That is some fake down-home slang right there (Santorum).
Santorum is such a poor little folksy fellow.
There are 4 people up there and they're STILL staying away from paul
Wait until Romney and Paul are the only candidates left. That debate will be a 2 hour speech from Romney with Paul getting maybe 5 minutes.
I hope the networks disclose the free 115 minutes of ad time they're providing Romney. You know, since they're mostly progressive and very concerned about the influence of money in politics.
fucking santorum is going to grab a lot of sc votes I think.
That's it! Taze the audience!!!
Romney, just tell them it's a campaign strategy.
This is the most absurd line of questioning in the entire primary season. Tax returns? Really?
The programmers rushed the RomneyBot out the door without properly testing the Jeered Subroutine.
The eyebrow shrug was almost human!
Cold shoulder for King.
Too slow, audience.
Ruminny Daddy was born in Mexico? He just lost South Carolina.
Here we go, Santorum. Remind us why you're not actually a pro-free markets person.
Mein Gott, bring on the protectionism from Santorum.
Santorum: We will not progress beyond a labor-intensive society under my watch.
Great, so now Apple products can be even more absurdly expensive.
If you don't theaten to leave, Santorum is going to tax the shit out of you.
Santorum, what is 99% of the components are made in Taiwan and they only snap the plate on?
0%?
Santorum: protectionism for manufacturers.
Santorum goes the protectionism route. The true conservative alternative.
I'll go out on a limb and predict that once it comes down to Paul vs. one of these guys, we will witness the invention of a whole new style of debate: the candidate/constituent round table debate format.
He's method of selling his plan is demagoguery but if his only plan is to cut the corporate tax to zero, that sounds great to me.
Good idea John King. I'd like my iPhone to cost $3000.
Yah. Who cares if the brown people commit suicide giving us cheap toys.
Damn right! But I hear they're yellow people now.
less suicidal event working in parasite filled farmlands, i suppose that is true.
Rick Santorum is speaking like he's ever going to be president.
Dear Rick, find a single American that will work for 50 cents an hour. Then talk about how corporate taxes blah blah blah
Thank you Paul for anti-protectionism rationality.
Revive "Made in America?" WTF? We want everyone doing crappy manufacturing jobs?
"We" don't, but people that don't understand comparative advantage do.
Seriously what the fuck is with peoples hard on for this shit. Who the fuck watches their kid grow up hoping they can one day land the lucrative factory job?
Uh oh, free market free trade economics might make South Carolina's collective head explode...
Economics lesson from Paul is going dangerously in depth.
reserve currency? what's that?
right to work jab at Santorum. Flawed delivery but nice.
The crowd seems confused by Paul's lecture. It's like they know he's right but they're too stupid to understand why.
That's a brilliant observation.
SOPA question!
Paul so easily talks above the average person's head. He's either got to dumb it down, or educate the world on economics
I think he hit upon a few good simple arguments like the money coming back here and products costing less.
People don't see lower prices, people see the news trotting out jobs going overseas.
The country is made up of mostly dense laborers, who surely didn't understand half of that shit.
Holy shit, a relevant question!
South Carolina crowd won me back on booing Time Warner.
I am so posting this part on youtube, Piratebay et al.
So you think we'll be posting YouTube links to these debate speeches by Paul in ten years, and say, "He predicted this stuff in 2012!"
More like scratching it on the wall in the postapocalyptic hellscape.
Who runs Bartertown?
Whoever raided the national guard depot first
You won't be able to reach YouTube in the re-education camps.
Time Warner getting booed?
I can't help but admit that I love Ron Paul and his views, but I really hate watching him try to debate. It's totally not a fair medium.
another Sam? I'll be Sam B then
Sam B, Sambo, who cares?
They are not really debates is part of the problem. The media takes sides instead of fairly moderating and the goal is not really to win an intellectual debate but to win over an audience of very average people.
Gingrich favors free porn
bad mental image
I think those were pretty unequivocal boos. I smiled.
One thing is for sure, you don't want a Megaupload of Santorum.
Newt would have a different answer if it wasn't Hollywood boohooing.
I wonder how many of my left-leaning friends who were up-in-arms yesterday about SOPA will cheer these candidates for agreeing with them.
Well shit, if that's how Romney feels about SOPA/PIPA, that's almost enough to vote for him.
That's refreshing. It's about time. At 6PM yesterday, Ron Paul was the only one who came out against SOPA.
Paul has so much street cred on this.
Shorter Santorum: Full disclosure, google my name
Oh shoot, I thought Paul was about to bomb with the "I signed up with Democrats" answer. Thankfully I don't think he shot himself in the foot.
Spoke too soon, Ron.
Rick Santorum still being angry at Google.
Ha, that's probably it.
My god- GOP candidates and Obama unanimously agree on something!
Is "abusing" the law like violating the law?
Santorum makes a bullshit head fake towards agreement, but then indicates he clearly supports the spirit of SOPA/PIPA. Fuck him.
Exactly.
Only the government can abuse a law.
@Santorum: The first amendment, bitch!
Santorum get -50 points for not being 100% against SOPA
Santorum: "The idea that anything goes on the Internet, where did that come from?"
Meta-strawman argument
Infuriating.
Come ONE Santorum, this is false dichotomy, idiot. It's not SOPA or anarchy. There are laws on the books!
"on"
Santorum, America doesn't say anything goes, The Internet says anything goes. And The Internet always wins, bitch.
Basically the other three have gotten the word that they have to oppose this law for electability reasons, and so all are going to be against it. While Santorum is against it and then explains why he'll be for it once the controversy dies down. I suspect Romney feels the same way.
^^^ this!
But the controversy will never die down, that's the beauty of it.
Good to see 3/4 are on the right side of SOPA, but would anyone familiar with google Santorum expect a different answer from him?
^^^THIS^^^
What a half ass answer by Santorum. You know he wants to do something about porn and teh gayz on the internet.
^^^ and this!
really? a commercial advocating a strict popular vote? Oh wait, no one discusses why the electoral was put in place anymore...
What a fucking irrelevant, idiotic, crap quesition.
Fuck you King.
Newt: "Well, I might not have cheated the first time. The second time though, hell yeah I'd do that again."
SOPA/PIPA: making bedfellows of Rick Santorum and Al Franken.
I expect Santorum's site to go down soon.
r u a wizard?
The do-over question is lame.
None will admit an actual mistake.
It's the "What's your greatest weakness?" question at job interviews.
I work too hard, can distract from my social life!
Piers Morgan interviewing the Santorums," So that whole dead baby thing, that was pretty weird right?"
Do you think they asked for a doggy bag?
Coal advertised at the first break, now Natural Gas at the second one. Where's solar and wind?
Isn't this the plot of the second Naked Gun?
"The U.S. Postal Service is hemorrhaging money, explain how you would fix it." - Julie J.
Well, Julie, there's this thing called email, you may have heard of it.
LMAO
Gingrich has "ideas"!
Paid off the 2nd wife
+1000000
Internet-based campaign? Huh? Paul rules the Internet.
When has Newcular Titties ever let facts get in the way of the narrative?
Yeah he basically wishes he had run the Paul campaign.
RomneyBot's pre-programmed joke wasn't bad.
They pushed out a firmware update since the last debate.
Romney sucks at math. Idiot. It was a 42 vote swing.
Santorum: "Loving America too much at times"
"I would have been tougher on Iran."
+10
Gingrich: Tell me about it! That's why I boned so many staffers! I even had John Phillip Sousa marches on the stereo.
For the most part, you were talking about Obama when you were talking about Gingrich.
Let me guess, Paul: I think I should have done a better job delivering my message.
Hit that on the head.
Ron Paul agrees with you!
put my money in Swiss banks
That's right, you got crushed in the state that you "represented" by voting against Right to Work, thanks for reminding me.
"Especially for being completely unelectable, I'm thrilled with being in the final four."
changed my last name
I just don't see Romney winning debates against Obama. I mean it wouldn't matter either way, but the man has no substance and can only say OBAMA BAD!!!
worked last time
He has thrown out some sound bites about the free market. I don't believe any of the shit he says, but he is trying to sound pro market.
And I win some internetz
Took No-doze
Ron Paul would take public speaking lessons?
Think that chick was nervous?
THEY ARE TAKING OUR JOBS!
DEY TOOK UR JABS!
de derp er derbs
That was .. interesting syntax.
Put it into google translate set on "confused" to "english".
Jesus, that woman sounded brain dead. That wasn't even a proper sentence.
It's time to play who can build the biggest, baddest border fence and deport the most illegals!
JERBZ! DEY TOOK UM!
It doesn't matter to Newt how many Mexicans die making the fence.
Of course it does. You simply can't build a fence out of live Mexicans.
There's something even less important than making English the official language?
DEY TOOK AR JERBS!!! DERP!!
OMIGOD HOW MANY BULLET POINTS DOES THIS MAN HAVE! PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SOMEONE STOP HIM!
But he has Ideas!?
Paul should open up to Latino voters now.
INDEED
Actually might want to wait until South Carolina's done.
Gingrich won't deport mistresses
What kind of shit did Newt just spew out of his ass?
mustard based Carolina bbq sauce
I'm on the far left of the stage.
Seriously, community boards to decide family deportations? WTF?? Paul should call him a crackpot.
"We can have this council.... of elves, to establish a fellowship to take the brownies to the depths of mexico, and see if they can throw them in to a volcano."
I don't agree with much of what Gingrich said but at least that was a direct answer and thought out. If every answer was like that, it might actually be a debate of ideas.
China has a navy of scale? I thought they have, like, one aircraft carrier.
Isn't that like HO scale?
Isn't that like HO scale?
1 carrier. They bought used.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroo.....er-photos/
1 carrier. They bought used.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroo.....er-photos/
How many miles/kilometers/fathoms did it have on it? Any warranty?
It's from Russia. They don't do warranties. It's as is, and they expect payment before shipment and title transfers as soon as the last line is cast off.
One carrier still in testing.
Terrifying, isn't it?
THEY MUST BE STOPPED!!!!!1111!!!
Against an opponent with many long range cruise missiles an aircraft carrier is obsolete anyway. Just too vulnerable.
Thank you Romney, this debate lacked a healthy dose of fearmongering.
"I'll give every one a Mastercard"
Gingrich should just convince prospective illegal immigrants to stay put by the sheer force of his towering intellect.
That sure doesn't sound like small government, Newt.
That sure doesn't sound like small government, Newt.
You can't push immigration verification onto employers, and punish them if an employee tries to cheat. That's just stupid and will increase the costs of hiring.
We're not going to round them up and deport them, just round them up and deport them so they can come back.
Santorum has multiple hearts. Release your last 12 physicals!
Romney's solution to teh illegals: violate property rights for a fence and force businesses to hire who the government deems is worthy of employment. Party of freedom!
This just in: Rick Santorum not eligible to be president.
This just in: Santorum not eligible to breathe.
"I'll deport all the illegals and the gays"
Why are there so many trannys in the audience?
Santorum is soooooo full of shit. He clearly has no idea how hard it is to get into America "doing it the right way". Dick.
If that chode pulls ahead, somehow has to really hammer home what Santorum actually is.
I was looking into it, however the 8 year wait with my skillset is a little offputting.
Quicker to put together a half mil for an investors visa.
I'm in favor of Social Security. Once again I'm the true conservative alternative.
Santorum doesn't consider changing the law?
Job killing regulations and mandates suck - except when it comes to hiring workers
Yep, at least they're consistently inconsistent.
Good ole Christian logic. A child rapist who has repented is held in higher regard then someone who stole a pack of gum.
We're not deporting anyone. We're just sending them home first.
Romney: "My grandfather was from Mexico."
And my maids are from Peru.
"We like legal immigration, that's why we make it impossible." And who the fuck can wait TEN years?
Time to plug my ears for a few minutes while Ron Paul speaks so I can remain in love with him.
yeah.
not to terribly bad as far as xenophobia goes.
Ron Paul says "economics" and the entire audience groans.
Once again Paul will make the most sense and the fewest people will take the bait.
Nice one PAUL!!!
ok, that was not bad by Paul.
I love how these guys all speak of "the law" as if it were this immutable transcendent thing, the creation of which none of them have taken any part.
Though I see your point there's a good chance that Paul didn't take part in creating any of them.
Paul's best performance?
I think he's sure been good tonight.
Best I've seen, but they still have time to throw Iran at him.
So far, of course.
Agreed. And he was self-appraising on that question about whether he had any regrets about the campaign so far.
Paul, uniting the anti-war crowd and the xenophobes.
"I want to move the Rio Grande to Afganistan..."
Abortion is such a waste of time to talk about in a debate.
Pretty awesome debate with only four guys. Can't wait till Rick the Dick is out.
90% of it will be back and forth between the pimple and the robot.
"I'm Newt Gingrich. I'm an asshole and I can prove it."
Gingrich: I demand an I-9 from any mistress who speaks with a foreign accent. Or looks Canadian.
Newt: time for dead baby attack!!!
When Ron Paul gets speaking time and they aren't throwing gotcha questions at him he comes off quite well.
Its been 90 minutes and not one second has been spent attacking Paul. I assume I'm jinxing that now.
I get the feeling Gingrich knows where to find an abortion clinic in every city he slept in
Romney: "Am I pro-life? Lets see... I'm running for Republican president today, right?"
We get it. The Romney-Bot 4000 is a flip-flopper. A third of the fucking GOPDrones aren't smart enough to give enough of a shit what that means. Talking about it just wastes everyone's time. TALK ABOUT PHASING OUT SOCIAL SECURITY YOU FUCKING PUSSIES.
He doesn't flip-flop, he twirls!
This^^
Why are the talking about abortion? They're all pro-life.
purity test
Oh shit, see Romney slipping in a subtle dig at Gingrich's philandering. Nice.
That's the new subtly library that was compiled into RomneyBot last night.
Welcome back, Andrew Sullivan
sullydish Andrew Sullivan
I love Ron Paul. OF COURSE he was opposed to SOPA before any of the others: thebea.st/zzY8yv #CNNdebate @RepRonPaul
Fuck off, whore.
Not you, Bee - Sullivan.
Don't coddle him, Fluff. Fuck off, Bee Tagger.
Saying stuff like that with a name like yours? Hilariously hypocritical.
Shouldn't Newt a little red-faced to question anyone's integrity?
Shouldn't Newt a little red-faced to question anyone's integrity?
I NEVER want to hear him whisper AGAIN FOREVER AND EVER AMEN
(Whispering): Hey Baby, how would like some Santorum inside you?
{whispers}my pressshusssssssssss
We all agree that John King is racist for assuming the illegal alien cleans my house, right?
Unemployment is 8.5%, we have $15 trillion in debt...
Good thing we're debating abortion right?
Dead babies need jobz
^ but where are all those future taxpayers going to come from to pay off the debt?
Hmmm... an abortion tax... for millionaires...
What, you want to talk about important issues?
Those dead babies would have required baby food, clothing, and illegal immigrant nannies. It is totally relevant!
What, you want to talk about important issues?
I would like to know why this is such a big issue. Show me the birth rate vs the abortion rate. It has to be pretty freaking low.
This is like the "they're taking god out of the country" bs
**whisper** Santorum, your fucking retarded**whisper**
Come out of the trenches? I thought being in the trenches was where the real fighting took place? I think he had a Freudian slip.
Liquor in the front, poker in the rear.
Is it me, or do we need to calls T.A.P.S.?
lol he yields to santorum and the greasy shit spews it right back in his face.
Abstinence education = getting teenage girls knocked up since 1951
^^ this
Honey, buttsex with an inexperienced boy is the only way to go. It's the only way to be sure to avoid both pregnancy and STD's and still have a good time. And believe me, it feels great.
Rick Santorum: Why is this guy talking to me?
Santorum: I am committed to protecting innocent life. Except over in durka-durka land. They're not really people like us.
Romney being nice to Santorum because he hopes Santorum will take Gingrich votes.
WTF are they talking about abortion; do they have vaginas?
Clich?d. Pedestrian argument. Witless and without merit. Yawn. Now I'm bored.
How is that work by the way? Since the deciding factor is the possession of a vagina, does the moment that a fetus grows its own vagina negate the deciding factor of the original vagina. Why doesn't it work for fetuses that grow peckers? Discrimination?
Get up on them abortions Ron!!
In 2010? WTF did Gingrich have to do with that election?
Audience demands Paul! I retract my request to shut the audience up.
Yeah that was pretty awesome.
But then he uses the time to say "fungible." So much for that.
I feel like they should just whip our their pro-life records and just compare.
THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN!!!
OH HELL YEAH!
Hell Yeah!! Crowd demands time for Paul.
This pandering to the SOCONS is infuriating. There are many reasons we are fucked. This is one of them.
PAULLLLLLL!!!!
Damnit.
I'm pro-choice but if anyone could convince me otherwise I think it would be Ron Paul.
Agreed.
I made the switch along with the one to libertarianism- people need to take responsibility for their actions. Don't use cheap, available contraception? Then accept the consequences.
I'm pro-life, however I know outlawing it does not fix the problem and only brings it underground were it becomes more dangerous and harmful to society.
I think Paul had a good answer, but I just wish more important issues would come up than abortion.
Wow. The crowd demanding Paul get a chance to answer is definitely my favorite moment of the night.
Crush him with the 10th amendment, please.
Ask and you shall receive.
Damnit Santorum!!!!
Damn Abortion!
OH NO YOU DIDN'T PRICK!
Funding is fungible...I wish more people understood this.
Yes, that was great.
The right of our creator to life?
PAULLLLLL!
To the "you're to sensitive santorum"
The Declaration guarantees our Creator to right to life. Or something.
Thank you audience for doing the moderators job for him
Huh? The Declaration is not a legal document, asshole.
Actually, it's the first law enacted by Congress in 1776 under the heading "Organic Laws". Whether anyone actually observes it as law is something I'd like to know more about.
http://uscode.house.gov/downlo.....iclaws.txt
Did ya see Santorum's face when Paul burned him? Did you see that?
My head was turned, I would pay cash money to see it.
I'll accept payment when you're ready... here's the clip starting at the audience cheering for Ron Paul.
Great clip. Thanks. Paul can really look good at times.
He votes for freedom you Frothy Fuck!
He's right about sorting it out
-Planned Parenthood's game
Nice!
god. damn.
I love Paul's point about how you need to change the morality of people and not simply the law.
Paul: Repeal roe v Wade...principled yes...electable?????
Ron's hitting the nail on the head tonight.
Paul to Santorum: stop being such a whiny little bitch (in Paul's folksy, polite manner of speaking).
"Rick, as an OB-GYN, I can tell you all that sand is NOT good for your vagina."
Sick Rantorum just got OB-GYN served.
I lol'd
I think Paul should rebort Santorum by shoving him back up his mother's aged herpes-ridden beef curtains.
Wait what just happened...
Santorum pushing more big government. Seriously, he wants to turn the US into a puritan society at the federal level.
I disagree with Paul strongly on abortion, but at least he's not trying to legislate at the federal level.
And the beauty of that system, is that this issue becomes less of an issue. If abortion pisses people off so much they can just move and call everyone in California a bunch of baby-murderers and be done with it. Then we can start talking about HOW WE ARE GOING TO PHASE OUT SOCIAL SECURITY.
Or call the people in Georgia a bunch of abusive slaveholders? Hmmmmmmmm
It took a constitutional amendment to end slavery nation-wide.
Hint?
Exactly
While we are debating irrelevant issues, why not bring up gun rights/ gun control?
Very good point. Romney's got a shitty record from the bay state.
Assault weapons ban anyone?
My wildly pro-choice spouse laughed in Santorum's face.
When the pro-choice audience knows you got pwned on the abortion question, you got pwned on the abortion question.
Come on Paul make this pitch count.
Let's finish up by talking about Newt Gingrich leaving his cancer-riddled wife...
Paul: "that MADE America great"
Interesting choice of tense.
I will not be able to support a misogynist candidate.
Sorry Republitards.
Kthxbai.
Much better to kill more women in the middle east while you feel good right?
You're making a rather ridiculous assumption here, Gregor: That people (specifically these candidates) are all against abortion because they "hate women" (misogyny).
And I should note, that I am NOT against abortion myself. Just thought I'd go ahead and sidestep that potential ad hominem attack.
Forgot to mention: it's pretty obvious that people who are against abortion are against it because THEY THINK A FETUS IS A HUMAN BEING, NOT that they are "misogynists" (though that could be true for some people, possible including one or more candidates).
Forgot to mention: it's pretty obvious that people who are against abortion are against it because THEY THINK A FETUS IS A HUMAN BEING, NOT that they are "misogynists" (though that could be true for some people, possible including one or more candidates).
i usually dont even bother responding to type-then-chicken-out cowards
Newt: I want to thank CNN for asking moronic questions that give me lots of applause lines point them out.
They play into his cranky fat guy routine so well...
Gingrich: TEAM RED must beat TEAM BLUE
oh and I'm the only one who can debate the great orator Obama!
Just thought about how many people Microsoft employs in the U.S. too and never gets any love. Unless its aluminum and costs a lot of money it's really not worth mentioning. Sent from my iPhone
Overall, one of the best Paul showings I have seen.
I'm die hard for Ron Paul, but I can't say this was his best outing.
I haven;t seen them all, just a few, so my perspective may be limited.
Principled victory? Not possible if you win Gingrich.
Shorter Paul: Liberty! Debt!
Shorter Gingrich: Team Red!
Exactly
There is this Zach Galifianakis guy rooting for Ron Paul in the audience.
Gingrich really knows how to play to the AM talk radio crowd with his Saul Alinksy name-dropping.
Are you surius?
The only way to change Washington is to send someone who has been the Washington establishment for decades.
its a zen thing
Only Nixon could prove to be a bigger dick than Newt.
Newt is a turd. He just thanked CNN after they started the debate with a question about his ex? I would seriously consider voting for Obama if that PoS gets the nomination.
Two sides of the same coin.
No way.
As bad as Obama is, the only way I see it can get worse is to go with Gingrich.
Obama is a leftist ideologue. Gingrich is evil.
"ALINKSY"
DRINK!
Romney: I agree with other Republicans!
This really sums up the difference between Paul and the rest: Paul is talking about our impending financial disaster and how to fix it in addition to spreading liberty.
Gingrich and Romney just want to be beat Obama and be president.
Red team vs. Blue Team, dude.
"Gingrich and Romney just want to be beat Obama and be president."
ahh, Presidents get more pussy
Paul: freedom works for everyone.
All the others: freedom for some economic growth to fuel more war.
So sad but true.
Romney, did you mean to say Restore America Now?
Nice, Santorum will be doing this closing statements in the 3rd party.
Please please please stop saying "I come" Santorum
Santorum says he's the contrast on bailouts. wow. What reality does he live in?
He kept his mouth shut in 2008.
Santorum is a fucking liar.
Too bad they're out of time. The upcoming questions were about overseas military bases, and trade sanctions.
I hope Santorum finishes fourth and drops out. I'm sick of his delusions of grandeur about being the conservative messiah.
Santorum should not talk so much about coming.
Ron Paul going last on most questions really worked out in his favor. He got a number of applause lines and final words going into commercial breaks.
Is saying cum three times like saying beetle juice ?
Santorum reeks of the subconscious knowledge that he simply doesn't have it, and it's hilarious, because he doesn't even know that.
Santorum saying they need to vote for the person that can draw a clear contrast with Obama... is he a Paul supporter now?
Santorum lost Pennsylvania by 18 points!
Yeah but he got all those "Reagan Democrats" who weren't dead 20 years later.
Not against Gingrich & Romney.
Will CNN declare Gingrich the winner like Fox does?
LOL, Anyone else get the Elizabeth Warren ad on the right of the screen?
CLICK IT CLICK IT!!!!
TAKE HER MONEY!!!!!
Her ads are like the Moby Dick of the internet to me.
Apparently the start of the debate was too embarrassing for CNN to include in its highlight reel.
Oops, this should be a separate comment.
Yes, it's driving me crazy. If I didn't abhor violence I'd probably punch through my computer screen.
First, ads for Santorum, now for Warren. Are you fucking with me, Welch?
Fuck it, nearly 700 comments, I hope you all had fun.
Newt "won" this debate to that audience.
I'm just going to be very blunt: you'd have to be pretty fucking retarded to vote for Newt Gingrich when he contradicted himself several times during the debate. First he thinks the Federal government can save South Carolina jobs with bold solutions, then he thinks it can use bold solutions for healthcare, then he thanks CNN for hosting the debate when he blew up at John King for reminding everyone what a reprehensible piece of shit he is.
And yet it looks like, despite all that, that he will win on Saturday because Romney has been doing so poorly.
Newt won this battle but lost the war
CNN just spent the first 20 minutes after the debate making sure the world knew that John King was the most righteous man in the world for starting the debate with a question about infidelity from 15 years ago.
Now that makes a lot of sense dude.
http://www.privacy-toolz.com
Of course, I'm eagerly anticipating Donna Brazil's appreciation for Ron Paul's nuanced take on abortion, especially while sharing a stage with 3 adamant abortion-prohibitionists.
I don't doubt Santorum's abortion fetish, but Romney and Gingrich don't sound nearly as bad.
Have they even mentioned Paul yet?
No, it's actually shocking given that John King treated Paul relatively fairly during the debate (eg. no 'explain your kooky libertarianism' questions and he got a turn on everything eventually). But they have no said his name once in 35 minutes of post-debate coverage.
My thoughts exactly.
45 minutes now. no mention.
Fucking pathetic. I actually emailed CNN. Yeah, I know it won't do any good, but I feel better.
Finally a mention of Ron Paul. Of course the subject was changed immediately.
My mouth was agape during that last segment. The topic was literally about what will happen to the candidates after South Carolina and no one mentioned his name until Donna Brazille appeared to accidentally do it and John King had the balls to say "we haven't talked about Ron Paul yet, he's in it for the long haul" as the topic was changed.
What a fucking joke
http://www.torontosun.com/2012.....ous-debate
Name drops for people who are not running for the Republican nomination:
Rick Perry: 2
Marianne Gingrich: 1
Barack Obama: 1
Ronald Reagan (ineligible, deceased): 4
George Bush: 1
Mitt Romney's father is not mentioned by name, but still gets a mention.
Ron Paul is not mentioned even once.
Ron Paul doesn't matter.
neither does anything else?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH2w6Oxx0kQ&ob=av3e
you, sir, win one internets.
you, sir, win one internets.
thank you, thank you
/bow
And yet, he could single handedly give the election to Obama by going third party...
What is so wrong with a D pres and a R senate and congress?
Judicial appointments
do you really want to see any one of the three choices of GOP other than Paul with a R legislature?
Considering SCOTUS hangs in the balance, yes. Also, it's not inconceivable that the Dems will have one or even both houses in 2014.
IIRC this site was all about a split between the Exec and Leg a few years ago. Anyone recognize the risk of one of these GOP candidates, not names Paul, cut loose with a R House and Senate?
IIRC this site was all about a split between the Exec and Leg a few years ago
And how did that work out? We ended up with an all Dem government, a Senate supermajority, "stimulus," Obamacare, and what is looking like a couple of intellectually mediocre SCOTUS judges who are reliable progressive ideologues. The problem is that you really can't assume who will have the majority in Congress, it can change very quickly.
That said, I would still have a hard time voting for Gingrich or Santorum. If either gets the nomination I will probably vote for Johnson.
I am on your side, it is a hard time to vote for any of them. Particularly considering you might send one of them in with a repub legislature. If it is not Paul I am beginning to try to come around to the idea of the best option being O with a R leg.
Do you really think any one of them, not named Paul, has even thought about who they would appoint?
Do you really think any one of them, not named Paul, has even thought about who they would appoint?
oops, i dont comment much. but when I do...
who?
Anyone else get the feeling that Tebow is a brony?
What does that mean?
It means he's a huge fan of a the new "My Little Pony" series.
Mid-20s
Male
Virgin
Fits the profile.
OK, I had to look it up, just to see if you were joking or not. Apparently the phenomenon of guys getting hooked on the new version of the show is real.
I will henceforth avoid watching the show, or even promos for it. Just in case.
Ron Paul did so much better tonight than he did on Monday! I'm very pleased. John King is pretty neutral acting. Brett Baier was hostile to Paul. It was obvious. Maybe that was a factor.
Everyone is talking about Romney's tax returns. It's ridiculous! Ron Paul was the only person who mentioned the debt! Can you believe that?
It's best if you stop hoping for responsibility from CNN and brace yourself for a miserable general election.
Cynicism never won shit, brochacho.
ANDERSON, THERE'S A FOURTH GUY IN THE RACE TOO, YOU GREY-HAIRED SACK OF SHIT!
...oh, thanks for that mention.
Seriously, WTF? His name is mentioned twice before the subject is changed?
...oh, thanks for that mention.
That's not an iphone Anderson!
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK YOU, CNN!
FUUUUUUUUUUCK YOU, CNN!
and now the debate replay.
Me, this is one dumb place.
US Out of Everywhere
Ron Paul 2012
Ron Paul is a complete idiot. Who made him the libertarian standard bearer? Vote Libertarian!
Yeah, you better wait until late to pull that shit when the regulars are asleep otherwise you'd get your gimp ass raped.
Wait just a second, asshole. There's a chance for someone that libertarians agree with on 85% of the issues to win a major party nomination, and you want us to ignore him to support your team? You have to be joking.
Look, Marianne, just because you didn't read the bit in the Bible about Solomon having 700 wives and 300 concubines doesn't mean Newt didn't.
For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father. For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father. Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. And likewise did he for all his foreign wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods. And the LORD was angry with Solomon?
1 Kings 11:4-9
and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites
Oh, that Milcom is an abomination, alright.
I thought the stringent, rambling old principled doctor did all right tonight.
Granted, that statement comes to you sponsored by lots of evil, loosely-regulated beer.
Were the Team Red "candidates" doing something tonight?
Seriously, how can anyone watch this shit? Other than dedicated masochists, of course.
An early-morning "Happy Friday, Reason!" to everyone.
Thanks for the pic of Santorum! I lived in the school district next to his when we both were in HS, and am sure I saw him at football games - he was the one everyone was calling out to "Hey Dickhead!"
That aside, David Riesman in his book "Individualism Reconsidered" laid out a cogent argument that the 10 Commandments is essentially a proclamation of individual rights, and says nothing about collectivist ethics. Basically, respect your neighbor's property. Santorum though comes from the Catholic tradition of us all being sheep who need an earthly shepherd to take care of us - and so it translates to political as well as spiritual leaders. Calvinists and Catholics - all the same - trying to set up a theocracy.