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Sen. Jim DeMint: "I'd like to see a Republican Party that embraces a lot of the libertarian ideas"

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"Not yet, I want to study its habits."

Was it really only 14 months ago when Sen. Jim DeMint (R-South Carolina) was celebrating the freshman Tea Party wave in the House of Representatives by insisting that you "can't be a fiscal conservative and not be a social conservative"? Well, he might not be backing off from that specific statement, but DeMint–who will be one of the most important figures in national GOP politics for the next weekis urging his co-partisans to start playing nice with Ron Paul and the libertarian movement. Here's The Hill:

"One of the things that's hurt the so-called conservative alternative is saying negative things about Ron Paul," DeMint told conservative radio host Laura Ingraham. "I'd like to see a Republican Party that embraces a lot of the libertarian ideas." […]

DeMint said he does not agree with the Texas congressman on everything but that the rest of the GOP presidential field should capture some of what Paul's been talking about for years because the Republican Party "needs" the libertarian movement.

"You don't have to agree with everything he's saying, but if the other candidates miss some of the wisdom about what he's saying about monetary policy … that will be to our detriment," DeMint said.

DeMint, who is an influential conservative lawmaker with a key role in the Tea Party movement, said the debate within the Republican Party he's most comfortable with is between conservatives and libertarians.

Reason on DeMint here; on Ron Paul here.

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  1. Question for you intrepid spelunkers of fringe political movements:

    What happened to the Tea Party? The Repub primary hit, which should have been prime hunting for them, and they are just . . . vanished.

    1. They were outed by liberals as being racist. Once the jig was up they knew there was no point in continuing.

      If someone has a real answer, I would also be interested in hearing it.

      1. Jig? Racist!

    2. I think they’ll be back during the general election. I look for it starting this spring.

      1. To clarify, I think the GOP primaries divided them so there was no one candidate around which they could coalesce. They’ll be back.

        1. In Penna. at least they are backing candidates in local and state races.
          On the national race, you can find tea partiers in everyone’s corner.

          1. On the national race, you can find tea partiers in everyone’s corner.

            I think that’s the problem. There’s no national standard-bearer for Tea Party types in the running for the GOP nomination. There’s no obvious guy (or gal) you get behind if you’re a Tea Partier. Perry, Cain, Romney, Newclear Titties – all significantly flawed, so the Tea Party vote is distributed among them.

        2. Bachmann was as Tea Party as it gets. How’s she doing right now?

          (This statement is not to be interpreted as wishing she wasn’t irrelevant.)

          1. Bullshit. Bachman is a social conservative first and only a fiscal conservative of convenience. TEA partyers are purely fiscal conservatives – Taxed Enough Already – and embrace a wide range of social views in my experience.

            1. Yes, that’s why the Tea Party loves her so much. You may have noticed that ALL of their favorites other than Rand Paul are like that.

      2. That’s too bad, because the primaries is where they can really move the needle.

        In a general Presidential election, they will be just more TEAM RED footsoldiers, clomping along glumly behind Willard. IOW, irrelevant.

        1. But they won’t do that, and (so) Romney will lose.

          Really, there’s nothing the ‘baggers could have done to “move” the primaries. No one acceptable to them was running. The “maybe this guy’s all right”/”OK never mind he sucks” up-and-down wave for each not-Romney was the limit of their practical capacity to “move” things. The party successfully froze ’em out. And they’ll stay out?unless/until Paul II runs for president.

          Which the GOP will also thwart.

          Then maybe something interesting will happen. But probably not.

          1. +1

            Paul was arguably the closest, but the Tea Party is a conservative group, not a libertarian group, and Paul is too libertarian on foreign policy for most conservatives.

            1. [The] Tea Party is a conservative group, not a libertarian group, and Paul is too libertarian on foreign policy for most conservatives.

              Every person I talk to about Ron Paul brings up his dangerous foreign policy. The Paul’s foreign policy is dangerous message resonated with a lot of people unfortunately. I think Ron Paul really needs to push the concept that a strong foreign policy is better served by strengthening ties between countries rather than increasing tension.

        2. Well, the primaries have only just begun. I’m assuming there will be more Tea Party candidates this go round. But that’s all been pushed aside in favor of PRESIDENTIAL HORSE RACE.

    3. The fake Tea Party or the Ron Paul Tea Party?

      The fake ones got sold out to the establishment.

      1. I understand the sentiment that you and k2000k are expressing but the Tea Party lost it’s association with RP a long time ago. Bitching about how they aren’t the “real” Tea Party because we did it first is just pissing in the wind.

        1. There are plenty of Tea Parties supporting Ron. He’s been endorsed by quite a few. Here’s an endorsement by the founder of the Greater Nashua (NH) Tea Party. He isn’t even an original.

          http://granitegrok.com/blog/20…..r-ron-paul

          There are also a lot of Tea Parties that were always Ron Paul Tea Parties.

    4. Well considering that Ron Paul is the grandfather of the movement then you could say that the Tea Party people are the people supporting him.

    5. They went back to work and/or their condo in Florida.

    6. I think that the combination of the republican victory, Glenn Beck going away, and Sarah Palin deciding not to run took a lot of the wind out of the sails.

      But I agree that the TEA Party will be resurging again leading up to the election. A lot of people got royally pissed off when it came out that sorry-ass John Boehner surrendered to Obama before the first shot was even fired.

      1. Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin were TEA partiers of convenience – jumping out front of the parade as it moved along. The TEA party has been silent because of the big win in ’10. But As you indicate, Boehner’s boner will be fuel for the fire IF the Republican candidate uses it as such.

    7. They got a Republican Congress in 2010, which was their entire purpose.

      Now that their brand is totally demolished in public opinion, expect Dick Armey and the other usual suspects to rebrand old white male christian conservatives as something else in time for November.

      1. Now that their brand is totally demolished in public opinion

        Yes, totally demolosihed. That’s why more people identify with the tea party than with Congress.

        “Demolished” indeed. Aren’t you tired of this stupid straw man caricature you make of everyone who disagrees with you? Does it ever occur to you that your understanding of the tea party might not be, well, true?

        1. Being more popular than Congress is nothing to brag about.

          Does that mean Muslims and atheists can brag about being more popular than the Tea Party?

      2. What a great name. Dick Army.

        Almost as good as Magic Johnson.

        1. How did he manage to keep that name after contracting AIDS? Not so magical now, is it, bitch?

          1. He’s still alive and healthy 14 years later. Sounds pretty magical to me.

          2. It can kill you. That’s pretty magical. Dark magic, perhaps, but magic all the same.

      3. “Now that their brand is totally demolished in public opinion …”

        Well you definitely do not have your finger on the pulse of the nation. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

        *DISCLAIMER: I am not a Republican.

      4. Now that their brand is totally demolished in public opinion, expect Dick Armey and the other usual suspects to rebrand old white male christian conservatives as something else in time for November.

        And just what “public” would that be, Tony? Is it the one that includes everyone except “old white male Christian conservatives”? Methinks you are just a racist little fucker at heart.

    8. RC,

      As others have noted, the TP isn’t really a “national” movement, it’s more of a local thing where people who were fed up with the spending and taxing to got together and pooled their resources in order to get a new breed of representatives elected that were more along the lines of fiscal conservatives, such as a Rubio or Rand Paul.

      They aren’t going to be much of a force in the Presidential election, but at the local level in terms of Congress and State elections they have been incredibly effective at pushing back against the Big government tide.

      Not all of the decisions made by the government are made in Washington.

      1. Kind of like “Think globally, act locally”?

    9. They are busy voting for stalwart fiscal conservatives like Mittens and Santorum.

      Mittens won the TP vote 2 to 1 in NH, and Santorum won it 1.5 to 1 in Iowa (in comparison to Paul).

      The TP is dead, and even if it isn’t it’s plain to see that the budget and debt problems are no longer the primary issue they consider when voting.

    10. What happened to the Tea Party? The Repub primary hit, which should have been prime hunting for them, and they are just . . . vanished.

      They’re meeting every Sunday night at the Burger Hole with the pre-Obama anti-war protesters.

    11. I thought they would be targeting incumbents in the primaries. John Boehner deserved a challenger.
      All in all, quite disappointing.

    12. At the start, the Tea Party stood for three things.

      1. Fiscal responsibility
      2. Limited government
      3. Adherence to the Constitution

      THEN…the movement was hijacked by Sarah Palin and the rest of the so-cons. It all of a sudden became about “pro-life and pro-god forces”, which lead the MSM to label the party as “the MOST rabidly conservative Republicans” rather than the folks who just want to get back to the Constitutional Republic envisioned by the Founders. THAT was the downfall of the Tea Party.

      1. That sort of ideologic drift was nigh inevitable as they grew. In this country for at least a couple generations, those numbered issues have primarily been attractive to people who are also traditionalists. So “conservatives” filled their ranks, then looked around and asked, “What do we have in common?” and if those ranks had grown enough, all-round “conservatives” tended to outnumber libertarians because, well, for historic reasons, that’s just the way it is among those who are activists.

        I’m sure there are tea party organiz’ns that have remained overwhlemingly libertarian, but those are probably the ones that haven’t grown much in either numbers or influence. Gotta compromise if you would be influential.

  2. DeMint ain’t half bad. SC is weird about who they elect. Look at the differences between him and Graham.

    It reminds me also what a fuck up Mark Sanford was. If he could have kept it in his pants there is a strong possibility that he would be in the running right now. I love RP but I could have definitely voted for him too.

    1. I thought he had an excellent chance of being the next president.

      1. Right? He would be the perfect candidate right now. Popular with the base AND anti-establishment. I suppose his personal life is his business but damn did that scandal piss me off.

        1. He’d have been hard to beat.

        2. Your right. Damn it that totally sucks. She’d better have been ultra-hot.

  3. Here are some of DeMint’s libertarian stances:

    Voted YES on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP.
    Supports prohibiting human embryonic stem cell research. (btw-this doesn’t mean prohibiting govt funds for this, but actually prohibiting it, see link for note)
    Ban openly gay teachers from public schools.
    Voted YES on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration.
    Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC.
    Voted YES on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime.
    Voted YES on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism.
    Voted YES on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror.
    Voted YES on extending the PATRIOT Act’s roving wiretaps.
    Rated 91% by USBC, indicating a sealed-border stance
    Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq.
    https://reason.com/blog/2012/01…..c#comments

    1. Hey did clarify and say ‘some’ libertarian ideas. I mean we all know they just want the libertarian vote and will try to give us as little as possible to make us suckle from their teets

    2. ^This says it best. Jim DeMint is no friend of a libertarian POV.

    3. He’s not really libertarian but unlike other conservatives he actually is pretty reliable on fiscal/monetary issues. Unfortunately in today’s GOP and this pathetic crop of candidates that makes him stand out.

      1. pretty reliable on fiscal/monetary issues.

        Umm, wars and shit cost money.

        /nitpicker

        1. No, they’re Stimulus! Think of all the jobs a war creates!

    4. Voted YES on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror.

      What?

      1. He also voted YES on the Pledge of Allegiance during group showers.

        Fucking hero, that dude.

        1. Oh I believe it. It’s just that it sounds so goddamn ridiculous.

          1. Oh it is soooo goddamn ridiculous:

            107th Congress: 2001-2002
            Expressing the sense of Congress that schools in the United States should set aside a sufficient period of time to allow children to pray for, or quietly reflect on behalf of, the Nation during this time of struggle against the forces of international terrorism.

            Dang you, minge.

        2. Jesus, I willing to bet that almost every school had moments of silence for 9/11 without the federales help. What a waste of time.

          1. Well, yes; but they weren’t officially patriotic.

    5. He didn’t claim to be a libertarian.

      Nobody said he was a libertarian.

      But keep the red herrings coming, MNG. If it weren’t for sophistry and logical fallacies you’d have nothing to say.

    6. You’re leaving out his efforts to get Rand Paul elected US Senator of Kentucky, despite the objections of the establishment.

  4. “One of the things that’s hurt the so-called conservative alternative is saying negative things about Ron Paul,” DeMint told conservative radio host Laura Ingraham. “I’d like to see a Republican Party that embraces a lot of the libertarian ideas.” […]

    DoubleMint would really like the GOP to be able to reliably to harvest that passionate voting bloc.

    1. ^^THIS^^

      What he proposes is paying the minimum amount of lip services to libertarians in order to keep them voting for Team RED, not somehow integrating some libertarianism in to the party.

      1. DeMint isn’t a team player. He took out several incumbent GOP Senators in the 2008 election.

      2. Well, duh, that’s what politics is about: putting and keeping together winning coalitions by giving up as little influence as possible while gaining as much influence as possible. Politics is all about getting people to do the most for you while you do the least for them. How else could you ever possibly move the numbers in your favor?

    2. It’s more than that. I think he means it when he says he’s comfortable with the debate being between libertarians and conservatives, that is he’d rather have libertarians in the party agreeing with him on domestic spending than neoconservatives agreeing with him on foreign policy.

  5. The Tea Party is busy working, making payroll, going to PTA meetings. They don’t have time to compete with 200 Bard College grads at OWS. Wait until September and they’ll be back.

    1. They do their best work in May*.

      *or whenever primaries are.

  6. Look at the exit NH polls by age. If the GOP doesn’t embrace some Libertarian ideas, they will cease to exist by the end of the decade.

    1. The party seems pretty committed to the idea that it can stay in power by just driving up its share of the old white people vote.

    2. If that is the case, the end of the decade can’t get here fast enough.

    3. Win-win!

    4. Now see, you’re assuming it’s a cohort effect rather than an age effect. Others would infer that people’s ideas change as those people age.

    5. “cease to exist”

      and that’s why mentoes said what he did. I would like to see the GOP embraces more libertarian ideas so we don’t faid away into oblivion.

  7. DeMint better be careful. He’s getting awfully close to wandering off the reservation. Excommunication from the Church of Limbaugh is imminent if he don’t get that chutzpa in check.

    1. In fairness to Limbaugh (who, unfortunately, has nothing but scorn for Ron Paul and libertarians), he hates Romney too. The Republican establishment is a lot bigger than Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, etc.

      Like it or not, a huge part of the GOP base is big-government to the core. They may listen to Limbaugh and Hannity on some issues, but they largely ignore them on others.

      1. I think it’s just that there are a lot of teamredders that believe if we just cut foreign aid (except to Israel), NEA, and NPR then we’d be hunky dory, fiscally speaking.

  8. He’s right in that libertarianish swing voters may be the difference in the upcoming presidential election.

    Any given swing voter that might vote Republican–but isn’t already a Republican–probably doesn’t identify with the Republicans specifically because he doesn’t care much for cultural conservatism.

    1. Yes, but according to the WSJonline, we support an unserious candidate so we are not serious voters, so our votes don’t count like good, solid Americans who vote the way the MSM tells them to.

      1. My comment there caused quite a stir… Taranto didn’t even bother dismissing Paul, just made him an unperson.

  9. DeMint…is urging his co-partisans to start playing nice with Ron Paul and the libertarian movement.

    Straws. We clutch at them. Discuss.

    1. Romney isn’t stupid. As soon as he thinks he has closed the deal on the nomination, he will start seriously kissing up to Paul and Libertarians.

      Not sure if he’ll go as far as offering one of the Pauls the VP slot, but that wouldn’t shock me.

      1. I’m pretty sure the VP slot will be either Christie or Rubio.

        1. No, It will be a chick.

          1. Dibs!

          2. If that’s true, they’d better find someone better than Palin or they’re fucking toast.

            Again.

            1. I’m pretty sure the VP slot will be either Christie or Rubio

              Bob Jindal.

              Is that a good guess?

              1. No.

              2. Yes. Conservative, smart, and dark-skinned.

              3. Jindal endorsed Perry and has been campaigning for him.

                1. That will stop soon enough.

        2. Rubio already said no to being a VP candidate.

      2. Romney isn’t stupid. As soon as he thinks he has closed the deal on the nomination, he will start seriously kissing up to Paul and Libertarians.

        He’s already playing nicey-nice with Paul even when he’s ripping in to the other candidates.

    2. The State sucks!

      How’s that?

  10. It’s interesting that he said this on Laura Ingram’s show. It’s AA farm team for conservative talk radio, so maybe there’s some traction here for pundits to walk-back their nasty comments.

    Nah, I’m just joshing, Paul’s like a hand grenade dipped in AIDS.

    1. Lol!

  11. “I’d like to see a Republican Party that embraces a lot of the libertarian ideas.”

    No he wouldn’t. Not even close.

    1. ^^^THIS^^^

      1. DeMint supported Rand over the neocon alternative. He’s much more interested in fiscal conservatism than foreign policy

  12. Pawlenty chimes in as well:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..00098.html

    Palin also has said stuff like this multiple times. How do other Republicans not see the insanity of alienating us?

    1. “He…dismissed what many have seen as a lackluster group of candidates: ‘Among this field, Mitt Romney is really the varsity playing the junior varsity,’ he said.”

      When does it stop being politics as sport, and become just sport?

      1. I’d like to see office holder’s run ala Running Man. Newt is the guy with the all the LEDs on his jacket.

        1. Fat Bastard?

          No – wrong movie.

    2. Dear T-Paw,

      If this group of candidates is lackluster, what does it mean when you were the first to flunk out?

  13. “I’d like to see a Republican Party that embraces a lot of the libertarian ideas.”

    I’d like to see a Republican Party that embraces a lot of mistresses.

  14. I’d like to see a Jim DeMint that embraces a lot of the libertarian ideas.

    1. By any measure, Jim DeMint was the most “libertarian-leaning” US Senator. Now h is #2, after working hard to get Rand Paul elected.

      1. Ahem.

  15. Demint and Romney should get some credit for being smart enough to see the growing import of libertarian-ish politics. Libertarians should get a lot of credit for getting that notice.

    1. And Libertarians will get the blame when A)Romney Loses and Obama destroys the country or B) Obama loses and Romney destroys the country. We are the perennial bogeymen regardless of how the so-called political winds shift these days.

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