Smart Kids Do Drugs
A study reported last month in the Journal of Epidemiology and Public Health found that smart kids are especially likely to use drugs as teenagers and adults. In data from the 1970 British Cohort Study, IQ at age 5 was positively associated with cannabis use at age 16 among girls and boys, cannabis and cocaine use at age 30 among women, and amphetamine and MDMA use at age 30 among men. The study's lead author, James White, a research associate at Cardiff University's Center for the Development and Evaluation of Complex Public Health Interventions, puzzles over these results in an interview with Medscape:
The takeaway message for MDs is that we should not assume that a high IQ will only be associated with healthy behaviors. For the most part, a high IQ is a very good thing, and has been associated in the past with a healthier lifestyle and robust indicators of cardiovascular risk, such as blood pressure and lipid levels. However, our study and others indicate it can also be associated with drug and alcohol misuse.
By drug "misuse," White seems to mean any illegal drug use at all. That much is consistent with prohibitionist orthodoxy. But are there sound medical reasons for putting pot smoking or MDMA use in the same category as high blood pressure and high cholesterol? If not, maybe the correlation between intelligence and drug use is not so puzzling after all. The Medscape article suggests a few reasons why people might rationally decide to use drugs:
The investigators note that because individuals with high IQs have been shown to score highly on tests of stimulation seeking and openness to experiences, it may be that alcohol and illegal drugs fulfill their desire for novelty and stimulation. Drug use may also be seen as a way of staving off boredom and/or a way to cope with stigmatization from peers.
In other words, people use drugs because they are fun, interesting, and relaxing, which to most people without public health degrees sound like good things, unless they come at an unacceptable cost. At the very end of the article, White concedes that "we need to know more about the exact level of harm associated with infrequent drug use, and we need more detailed research on the long-term harms of illegal drug use in the wider population, rather than just in those dependent on drugs." But that is after he has classified drug use as objectively unhealthy.
[Thanks to Nicolas Martin for the tip.]
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What are James White's IQ and drug history?
What were Danny Kirwan and Peter Green's IQ's before and after drugs?
Kirwan's main drug was alcohol.
Exactly!
Not that it matters, but strangely each is 110.
Prohibitionism is a religion.
What this study means for the H&R commentariat is this:
dear god, please don't tell me that Tony is a stoner!
I did it (and still drink like a fish) because it helps dull the pain of living in a world where stupid people have authority over me.
That, and acid tripping was the most bang for the $5 i could find. 13 hours of good trip or a full belly and a headache from cheap beer- the answer was obvious.
Seconded.
Ignorance is bliss. If you are not ignorant, you are annoyed by all who are, and how do you deal with that? With a mind altering substance of course.
I supposed all the boredom from public education didnt help. While the teachers are focusing on stupidest in the class, the smart kids are bored, and need to find a way to make class more tolerable, so you get stoned before going.
I used to show up to chess club drunk and quiz bowl hung over. That's what we did. We are your future. Toast us and buy our drinks!
and buy our drinks!
Now you sound like an OWSer.
[clears throat]
Fuck off, slaver!
+1
Cheers to that
I never fukxed with the chess club. It was full of some ignorant, ass kissing motherfuckers who only believed (and were told) that they are smart.
I'm seconding the ignorance is bliss takeaway.
Thirded.
I think there is a lot to this. If you are really smart you probably have trouble fitting in.
Drugs are alright with me as long as there is not a dependency.
Currently I am just paranoid to partake in drugs since it really messes up your job opportunities if you have such a "black mark" on your record. I wish it wasn't this way...
Acid being illegal make zero sense to me. It is not addictive. For me it was the opposite of addictive. After 3 or 4 times it became less and less fun, eventually becoming awful. Yet I think the experiences were good and helpful overall. The world would be a better place if everybody tripped a few times.
Well, not everybody. I wouldn't give acid to MMA fighters.
MMA fighters should roll on Molly.
Yep!
Also - isn't it amazing that it's *still* $5?
No, the potency of a "dose" has gone down over the years. It was basically cut in half after the Phish distribution network shut down.
13 hours of good trip
Tha fuck kind of acid did you take? I know it's variable, but I've never heard of someone on one dose going longer than 10 hrs, and that's rare.
Weed can make a mildly funny movie downright hilarious.
It's DOPE, it kills BABIES, destroys inner-city neighborhoods, devours BLACK WORKING-CLASS MEN WHOLE WITH ITS TENTACLES, among other things.
Prohibition -- it's the only way!
Black working class? Man, must be ALOT of drugs in brooklyn... the BLACK working class has been devoured well before my time.
strayt-up RAY-SIZM
or reality, which ever you prefer to call it.
Weed can make life downright hilarious - and scary.
Life is hilariously absurd and scary.
Poindexters are also just as capable of running down Bill O'Reilly's kids in their cars.
And then getting the money back that you just paid them for sex to replenish your health.
Is Rick Sanchez's real name Poindexter?*
*Only applicable if O'Reilly's kids frequent Miami
TeeVee's Rick Sanchez? Anyway, that's not the drug O'Reilly was talking about. He only minds if his kids are run down by non-alcoholic drugs.
The intellectual nerdy kids who dabbled in psychoactive drug use were usually the ones who geeked the fuck out.
There may be a handful of extremely intelligent philosophers and what not who use DMT, but most people who use it are normal kids with very average IQs.
I'm liking watching those names flash on the donate now banner, but it says "November" not "December."
If you can live in this world without being "on drugs" (illegal or prescribed) you have a. figured out a chemical free way of blinding yourself b. are blissfully ignorant c.actually gain enjoyment from the suffering around you, or a sense of moral superiority from your own stoicism. The public health threat posed by some drugs is quite real, and prohibition increases this threat exponentially, while making a rational, pubic health based approach to the problem nearly impossible.
or a sense of moral superiority from your own stoicism.
Oddly enough, some of these folks do get high. I've had many a Christian tell me they get high on Jesus. And indeed they do. Sadly, they think the high is from a supernatural force. The reality is the high is the self-induced emotions arising from a sincere belief in religious dogma. Explaining this to believers will not make you popular with them, to say the least.
So many stoics are fine with getting "high", it just has to be a "supernatural high" from God.
To really shake things up, I explain that the ancient Hebrews used cannibis (kaneh bosm) during the time of Moses and the spirit they drank in the tabernacle was the pot smoke coming from the lamps. Again, it won't make you popular with believers.
Meanwhile, we clearly understand the long-term harms of alcohol use, and it remains legal. Cognitive dissonance is so ugly.
Perhaps we can use this information to help end prohibition. We can make the following claim:
Drugs laws are discriminatory against smart people! End the WOD Now!
And because everyone likes to think they are smart, they will want to end prohibition so they can join the "smart set" and do drugs legally! And we all know discrimination is wrong, so that will help end prohibition too!
It can't miss, I tell ya!
Well not I. Of course I'm pro drug legalization, but at the same time I've never found it appealing.
You've never mixed good shrooms and good heady weed, have you? Nobody who has had the experience could possibly repeat your sentence seriously.
Summ cuique.
Right, but a virgin who critiques sex might have a better idea of what he's talkin' about if he'd just slip into some sweet pussy from time to time.
'Reality is just an escape from drugs'
'Dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope.'
Amen.
I'm one of the smart kids and I consume drugs.
Dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope.
A friend with weed is a friend indeed.
I definitely fit into this category. I was a child with a notably high IQ and I recently (mid to late 20s) went through a period of drug experimentation. Use was very controlled and infrequent, so I managed to avoid all the pitfalls associated with hard drug use.
It wasn't all "enjoyable", per se, but definitely an experience I could handle and don't regret.
thanks