Oliver Stone Meets Robert Moses
The Hollywood Reporter brings word that director Oliver Stone is teaming up with HBO to create a film about the infamous urban planner Robert Moses based on Robert Caro's indispensable biography The Power Broker: Robert Moses and the Fall of New York.
Moses is certainly a worthy subject for a filmmaker. Indeed, he's one of the great villains of 20th century America. He held numerous unelected positions between the early 1920s and the late 1960s, including New York City parks commissioner and chairman of the Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority. As the shadowy force behind some $27 billion worth of public works spending (nearly $168 billion today), he commanded the loyalty of labor unions, politicians, contractors, and anyone else looking to make a few bucks off the state. Bolstered by the power of eminent domain, Moses sent his bulldozers, blasting crews, and wrecking balls to tear down homes, churches, and businesses in order to make way for thousands of new apartment buildings and public housing projects, as well as more famous affairs such as the United Nations and the Lincoln Center for the Performing Arts. "To clear the land for these improvements," Caro writes in The Power Broker, Moses "evicted the city's people, not thousands of them or tens of thousands but hundreds of thousands, from their homes and tore the homes down. Neighborhoods were obliterated by his edict to make room for new neighborhoods reared at his command."
Let's hope Oliver Stone brings a more skeptical eye to Moses' misdeeds than he did to those of Fidel Castro.
For a detailed look at one of the neighborhoods that lost out to Moses, click below for Reason.tv's "The Tragedy of Urban Renewal."
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I'll re-watch Platoon eventually, but Stone's movies are generally snooze-fests.
But I say that without checking IMDB first to see if I'm forgetting any.
As a director, Platoon and Salvadore. As a writer, Conan the Barbarian. After that, I'm not too impressed.
Arnold's dialogue sparkled.
No doubt.
Seriously, how easy could it have been to come up with all those grunts, groans and aaahhhs as Arnold kills, gets tortured and orgasms his way thru 90 minutes of classic drama?
I mean this in all seriousness--that was a very good movie.
So do I, how do you write it to conceal the fact that the Star has a limited vocabulary and goofy accent? He managed it.
Well, it's not like the character was a big speech maker in the first place.
I love the movie too but I remember watching watching it with someone who hadn't seen it, high out of his mind, and after silently watching half the movie he shouted at the tv "nobody's saying anything."
I hope Stone gives it an Any Given Sunday treatment.
You know who else was big on city planning.
Joe P Boyle?
I've got my eye on you, MP. Expect a nomination for post of the day.
Yes, that truly was a level of excellence not seen here often.
MP, close, very close. Think older, deader Nazi who popularized the already existing movement throughout Germany and France.
Kurt Waldheim?
We may have a tie hier.
This is pretty hilarious: Perry may pass on debates
He cites bedtime conflicts.
I agree with his general point that there have been too many debates already, involving too many people.
Though it's obvious that the real reason he doesn't want to do any more is because he sucks at debating.
Hahahahaha,
If I were ruler of the air, I'd have them debating on a weekly basis. Gotta see who can hold up to weekly scrutiny.
Also, there would be a jeopardy style round to see who read his history, economics and tactical planning books that week.
Stick a fork in him, he's done.
Bahahahaha. What puss. God I hate that motherfucker. Unfortunately he's still going to be governor.
Moses is not held in high regard by the "smart" growth people because he was an advocate of the automobile and sprawl, so I expect Stone will be pretty critical of him.
"Sprawl". Every time I hear that one it takes me back to the good old days of VP Gore.
Riiiight, he was a "BAD" urban planner. Because all those subsequent that drive density are "GOOD" urban planners.
One might note that no American planner of today has anything like the power Moses did. Also, we cry foul at today's schemes like Atlantic Yards but these are *nothing* compared to what they got away with back then. So yes, Moses was a BAD guy relative to what we've got today.
It will be interesting to see how Stone transforms him into a good guy.
I think MSL has it right above. He will portray him as a bad guy but somehow synonymous with anyone who objects to central planning.
If he had been for light rail and mixed-income, high density development he would get the hero treatment. But he was for highways, the automobile, and the suburbs, so he will be a villain in the pocket of some capitalist (auto companies maybe?) It's not that he used imminent domain that makes him bad, but that he used imminent domain to do things that modern, liberal urban planners don't like.
"imminent domain"
We're rght behind u, takn ur land.
Isn't that a Who song?
What?
"Eminence Front."
Funky ass bassline there.
It's a put-on.
Damn server squirrels messing with my homophones. There is truly no limit to their powers.
So it won't be that unelected career bureaucrats wielding massive power to dole out favors is the problem, it's just that the wrong people were in charge.
^^This^^
Indeed.
I think we agree with liberals that Herbert Hoover was a bad president, yet it makes me cringe to hear them criticize him.
The fall of New York? When did it fall?
Step into your wayback machine and dial any year between 1966 and 1982.
As someone who was born and grew up in the city in the 70s... even having had nothing to compare it to as a pre-teen, I knew something was not entirely right
I think some of my earliest questions were, "why are so many things broken?"
A perpetual irritant (please, no dumb *(!@ jokes about how everything in NYC is irritating - if you don't live here, STFU) has been all the young college-grads who move here, and within 2-3 years can be overheard saying, "I wish it were more like the old days, when it was, you know, gritty and *authentic*..."
I'm like, someone put this bitch in a time machine, *stat*...
FWIW, certain neighborhoods previously dubbed 'worst/most dangerous' are now some of the best places to live in the city. Bob Moses had nothing to do with it - he subsidized white-flight and the commuter culture.
It's not the things in NYC that are irritating; it's the people.
I say this as somebody who grew up in the Catskills and had to deal with the NYC people who came "upstate" for the weekend or on vacation. What a bunch of arrogant assholes.
New York, New York, the city so arrogant they named it twice.
Fuck NY - full of arrogant, obnoxious, rude assholes. Bomb the whole place.
Amen to that. Boo hoo, things are getting better, what a tragedy.
But hey, if these people are nostalgic for an "authentic New York" featuring junkies, muggers, a murder on every doorstep, and a real shortage of things you'd actually want to see, do, eat, or buy, they are quite free to move to Crown Heights, Brownsville, or East New York. Somehow very few of them do, though.
I have a feeling most of the people making these complaints don't want an authentically gritty New York; they want the theme-park New York Experience?, where you might run into Iggy Pop or Keith Haring, CBGB's is still open, and the streets are full of (good, picturesque) graffiti, but you don't actually have to deal with an army of rats*, people pissing and shitting in your doorway, and an encampment of junkie squatters next door.
* I once beat a rat to death with a folding chair. I'm proud of the NYC cred, but I would have been just as happy not to have had the opportunity.
Easy-peasy. Moses was in the pocket of Big Auto, and destroyed the kinds of urban neighborhoods that New Urbanites are trying to get back.
Expect a subplot on Big Auto wrecking the streetcar industry.
LOL, great minds.
By the pricking of my thumbs, Friday Funnies this comes...
The New York Post has another hilarious dispatch from the People's Republic of Obamaville (or, as it was known before the revolution, Zuccotti Park). It seems "the Occupy Wall Street volunteer kitchen staff launched a 'counter' revolution yesterday--because they're angry about working 18-hour days to provide food for 'professional homeless' people and ex-cons masquerading as protesters."
It reminds one of Seinfeld's Soup Nazi: "No soup for you!" But it's also reminiscent of President Obama's comments that we noted yesterday: "The one thing that we absolutely know for sure is that if we don't work even harder than we did in 2008, then we're going to have a government that tells the American people, 'you are on your own. If you get sick, you're on your own. If you can't afford college, you're on your own. If you don't like that some corporation is polluting your air or the air that your child breathes, then you're on your own.' That's not the America I believe in. It's not the America you believe in."
Yet to judge by their actions, the denizens of Obamaville have come to believe in it very quickly. They selfishly feast on spaghetti bolognese and sheep's milk, but when the truly needy show up, the cupboard is bare. "No soup for you! You're on your own, freeloader." Apparently it's the bottom 1% against whom they're waging class war.
Of course we are being half-facetious here. In truth, the Obamavillians are learning why Obama is wrong--why socialism doesn't work. A society that makes a virtue of dependency ultimately encourages freeloading and grifting. The instinct to prevent it is a healthy one. A lot has been written about the similarities and differences between Obamaville and the Tea Party, and here is one: Whereas the latter arose out of the instinct to reward self-reliance and discourage dependency, the former is having it awakened by an encounter with the real world.
http://online.wsj.com/article/.....TopOpinion
http://pjmedia.com/blog/breaki.....-gunwalker's-'unreachable'-man-in-the-white-house/
Another off topic and funny. Obama sent the only guy that can link him to Fast and Furious to Iraq. I think I would be a little nervous about a stray IED or mortar round right now. It is so brazen you have to laugh. I would shocked if the poor bastard is still alive Christmas.
Sounds like he got a promotion (fixed link - damned apostrophes!) and I doubt he's riding around in Bradley Fighting Vehicles all day, so he's probably quite safe. However, this was pretty damning:
I kid about him dying. But it is pretty brazen and pathetic to send him over there to duck the House. If Bush had done that it would be on the news 24/7.
Maybe, although I wouldn't be shocked if Hillary played a more central role than Obama -- Holder and Napolitano owe their careers to Bill, after all.
However, what I'd really like to see someone do is a thorough biography of William Newell. He's at the center of Wide Receiver, Fast and Furious, and the other big ATF scandal I can remember reading about here, the Jay Dobyns arson thing, where he either allowed through inaction or facilitated an attack on an agent's home, and then tried to prevent investigation of the arson and even tried to frame the agent.
He seems to be a truly corrupt scumfuck, and just so happens to be the other side of the ATF-O'Reilly connection. He can't just be rogue, or he would have already been thrown under the bus a long time ago. And he can't be Obama's guy, because he was there before Obama became president (being a key figure in Wide Receiver). If I had to guess, I would suspect he was a Clinton loyalist, but it would be good for someone to look at his career history, map out his ties to other key figures in the scandals, etc.. So, if any Reason writer is looking for a story idea...
OK, so when you're eating a nice dinner at home and a vagrant rings the doorbell and wants to eat with you, you just invite him in and pull up a chair?
Of course not. If you did that every vagrant and small time criminal would be at your door. There's nothing wrong with them making sure the food they're making is served to the people who are supposed to be there.
Now, IMHO the menu is a tad ritzy for what's supposed to be a sacrifice in solidarity with the poor, but that's another issue.
Christ you are one obtuse fuck.
The people they are turning away are part of the 99%, apparently just not the right part.
Not obtuse at all. It's highly unlikely they want all 304.7 million of the 99% to camp out in the park, so someone's going to have to be turned away. The food is there for protesters, not homeless.
Tulpa says I can't protest even though I lost my home to the banks that were bailed out due to crony capitalism.
Why would Tulpa is abridging my freedom of speech?
(is = be)
Sent from my iPad
The food is there for protesters, not homeless.
Protesters who are carrying signs about bailouts for workers? Here's their chance to provide to the truly impoverished. Surely you see the irony here, Tulpa. Just tell us you at least acknowledge a little.
I don't thinkTulpa wouldn't acknowledge his own birth.
"Technically, I resided within said person and exited of my own volition. Birth implies I was pushed out"
Emergency C-section, actually.
Failed abortion, more likely.
They are showing the Nazi face of Socialism a little early. Apparently the history majors are bartending when the big decisions are made.
I'd argue they're showing human nature.
They've built an association of people who are volunteering services to other people they see are putting effort and capital in that association, and therefore the resources, results and product of that labor and capital is there to distribute how they want.
See? Capitalism doesn't work. Tools. All of them.
*theirs to distribute how they want*.
Reason could sure use a preview button on their stupid comment system.
Paul,
That's one of the prettiest things I've read in ages.
Thanks,
Grandpa Whithers
What's the difference? Is there an entrance fee?
"... the people who are supposed to be there."
Fuck off, slaver! Hypocrite! Asshole! Homeless aren't allowed to protest?
None of those snotty, smelly, rich White kids are supposed to be there. It is a PRIVATE park.
Thanks I didn't see this the other 5 times it was posted here today.
They need to adjust their signs then
"I'm the middle 98%"!!
Winner.
For three days beginning tomorrow, the cooks will serve only brown rice and other spartan grub instead of the usual menu of organic chicken and vegetables, spaghetti bolognese, and roasted beet and sheep's-milk-cheese salad.
If they get their socialist paradise, they'll be lucky to be eating such high fare as brown rice whilst longing for the days when they used to enjoy things like organic chicken and sheep's milk cheese.
Let's hope he titles the move "Bury My Black Ass at Lincoln Center."
Damn it we need to get the Negros out of the West Side and back up to Harlem where they belong.
You're not allowed to talk about that.
Moses is certainly a worthy subject for a filmmaker. Indeed, he's one of the great villains of 20th century America.
Stone should love him, then.
I'll go with Joe Queenan's take on Ollie: "There can be no denying that Oliver Stone is a director with enormous technical gifts. Nonetheless, he is intellectually dishonest, misogynistic, a first-class crybaby, and a complete idiot."
""To clear the land for these improvements," Caro writes in The Power Broker, Moses "evicted the city's people, not thousands of them or tens of thousands but hundreds of thousands, from their homes and tore the homes down. Neighborhoods were obliterated by his edict to make room for new neighborhoods reared at his command.""
So I guess we were China for a day.
As long as eminent domain exists, we are China.
As the shadowy force behind some $27 billion worth of public works spending (nearly $168 billion today), he commanded the loyalty of labor unions, politicians, contractors, and anyone else looking to make a few bucks off the state. Bolstered by the power of eminent domain...
... wait, I don't get it. What's not to love? Public works, unions, the greater good... I mean... it all worked out for the best in the end, right? Good intentions are what matter....
Moses sent his bulldozers, blasting crews, and wrecking balls to tear down homes, churches, and businesses
Sounds more like a Michael Bay film treatment is in order.
Oliver's BARACK OBAMA movie.
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