The Patriot Act Turns 10
The Cato Institute's Tim Lynch marks a depressing milestone:
It was ten years ago that President Bush signed the Patriot legislation into law. If you wanted to find a textbook example of how not to make law, review the history of this law. First, toss dozens of legal proposals together into a giant "package" and resist any effort to unpack it and hold separate votes. Second, unveil the package at the last minute so members of Congress will not have an opportunity to study it. Third, call it the "Patriot Act" so that any person voting against it will have to consider television ads declaring his/her opposition to the Patriot law. Fourth, have the Attorney General declare over and over that if the law is not enacted right away, the terrorists may well launch more 9-11 attacks. When members of Congress proposed attaching sunset provisions so that the law could go into effect, but would need reauthorization a few years later, the Bush administration fought the idea.
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I still think it would have been more in keeping with tradition to call it The Second Alien and Sedition Act, but that would have made the real purpose a little too obvious.
Well of course they had to pass it - to find out what was in it.
There should be a rule that a bill's opponents get to name it.
Good idea. I propose the PATRIOT act be renamed the following:
Cunning
Ultra
Nasty
Terrorism and
Warmongering
Homeland
Organization
Regulatory
Enactment
I'd probably vote yes, since that's one of my favorite words.
Fuck you guys
No. Fuck you.
Imagine the confusion of voting on 12 different bills all named The SHITBAG Act.
What confusion? The politicians would still all vote yes like they do every shitbag bill not named SHITBAG.
Subject-matter content in legislation title?
I don't think the "New, Big, Overbudgeted, Intrusive Federal Agency With the Power to Spy on American Citizens Act" would have gotten along as quickly or unchallenged as the "Patriot Act."
Yesterday, the death of an Army Ranger on his 14th deployment was debated. Many insisted that 14 deployments in ten years was no big deal: "he volunteered", etc. I suggested that such a deployment pace was an indication of strain.
Here is an article discussing that very issue. I maintain my position, and the people leading SOC seem to be in agreement with me.
Sorry for the quasi-threadjack, but this seems closely related to the main topic, "The Patriot Act".
http://www.govexec.com/story_p.....todaysnews
I don't think anyone would deny that's a boatload of deployments. I'd say it's a sign of strain that they'd keep picking him up even though he was volunteering.
I don't think he volunteered individually, although he might have. The rangers are all volunteers.
The point of the article is that this sort of deployment pace is the norm for all special operations forces, and will continue. Seems unsustainable to me.
The whole Armed Services are all volunteers, wayne. That's a vacuous statement.
And, no, your own article says that the OPTEMPO for SOC forces is on the rise into double-digits, not the "norm" for SOC units.
Stop Loss?
Let me clarify. One must volunteer to be a ranger, so you can be in the army and not in the rangers. In fact, only about 1% of the army's soldiers are also rangers.
And, no, your own article says that the OPTEMPO for SOC forces is on the rise into double-digits, not the "norm" for SOC units.
I don't understand your point. Did you read the entire paragraph?
From the article:
"We're getting real close to double-digit deployments across a number of different formations," Lt. Col. Tom Bryant, a spokesman for the Army Special Operations Command, said in an interview. "Those numbers are becoming increasingly common and will be even more the norm down the road."
No one said it was "no big deal", Wayne. It is not a case of either/or - it is possible that he both volunteered and felt as if he had to volunteer due to strain. You should keep in mind that he is Sergeant First Class and, as such, also at some point made a choice to indefinitely re-enlist. My guess is that his initial contract expired in 2009 and, despite knowing the pace of deployments, he re-uppped for the promotion.
That does not make it not a sad thing that he died, or tempers my anti-war sentiment, but Soldiers post-2001 are entering with their eyes wide open.
I think Wayne is talking about volunteering to go on deployment when you're not on the roster to go. Not the same as volunteering to be in the armed services, or re-enlisting.
My point is that multiple deployments is hard on the troops, and 14 deployments in 10 years is unsustainable. The fact that they are volunteers is irrelevant to that fact.
I assume you have a job, and in fact "volunteered" for that job. If your employer told you that you would be working 16 hours per day for the next ten years, I suspect you might not fare so well.
Sounds like the guy had a death wish to me.
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That is a pretty funny piece, intended to be satire but is in fact not really satire. That is very similar to my own childhood during VietNam. I literally grew up with nightly news about VietNam, and wondered if I would "have the opportunity" to participate. I did. I joined the army in 1971, at the tender age of 18 years plus one day, at the beginning of the drawdown. The VietNam war ended in 1975, a year after I was discharged.
Yeah, that article is disturbingly true. Is the Onion moonlighting in real reporting these days?
No, but they do continually run into the problem of writing parodies that could never happen. Reality is always just a step behind them.
Did anyone bring the cake and ice-cream?
That lawmaking process reminded me of the Healthcare Bill.
I think a link the the 'Saturday School Special' (or whatever it was called) I'm a Bill would be appropriate.
I'm waiting for the correct version to come out were the character named Lobbist steps on Bill.
O/T: I'm ever-so-slightly surprised that reason didn't mark the other ten year milestone that occurred yesterday. (Hint: It almost never was due to antitrust, became ubiquitous throughout the oughts and you might even be using it to view this right now.)
reading glasses?
IE7?
XP. I'm actually staring at it right now.
The Dilbert strip that prophesied the rise of Herman Cain?
RACIST! (Brown troll)
Who's that? Broooooown!
I've frowned on Adams since he gave up on the Elbonian thing, because it became politically incorrect to portray a fictitious country covered knee-deep in mud.
Funny thing is nobody knows exactly which asshole came up with the name.
"What sort of insane, depraved, anti-American monster would vote against patriotism?"
Just one.
http://www.archipelago.org/vol6-2/feingold.htm
+66 from that other legislative branch:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2001/roll398.xml
They really have no shame.
Maple
Agriculture
Protection and
Law
Enforcement
http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/.....rup-fakes/
What I suggest is that lawmakers play a game with the public. Rather than bullshit cutesy words, they use anagrams. Like with MAPLE, it might be AMPLE OR LAP ME. USA PATRIOT might be AORTA SITUP or RAPIST AUTO or UTOPIA TSAR or A OAR TITS UP or ASAP OUR TIT or TIARAS POUT.
I like RAPIST AUTO...totally apt for the Patriot Act.
Maybe AUTO RAPIST would be more apt?
I'm a full on rapist?
I think you've been eating too much milksteak.
Makes me wonder - does Steve Smith rape autos?
Are you into Auto Erotica? That is so hot...
http://www.autoanything.com/?kc=GOOGADW&s_kwcid=TC|5843|auto everything||S|e|5887056368&gclid=CLeUo4n4hqwCFQ175QodOUj__Q
STEVE SMITH LIKE FIAT RAPE WHEN STEVE FEEL LIKE ITALIAN!!!!
That would have been a better name for Cash for Clunkers.
Isn't Obama the Utopia Tsar already?
Good point.
If you wanted to find a textbook example of how not to make law, review the history of this law.
For a moment there I thought you were talking about Obamacare.
Factually, just about any law can be used as an example of "how not to make a law."
What do you mean? Obamacare didn't involve shoving a ton of bills together, refusing to do them separately or rushing it through the process!
Rand Paul's fairly recent commentary on the Patriot Act was pretty good.
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Well, Team Blue, you blew another chance to fix a fuckup when you had all the Cards of Power a while back... but, instead, you pretty much continued the patriot Act untrimmed.
Thanks a fucking lot.