Google Refuses to Remove Police Brutality Video
This year Google turned down a U.S. law enforcement agency's request to remove YouTube videos allegedly showing police brutality, according to the company's latest "Transparency Report." The report, which comes out twice a year, did not name the agency or identify the incident documented in the videos. Over all, Google received 92 removal requests, covering 757 items, from government officials in the United States during the first half of 2011, compared to 128 requests covering 678 items during the same period last year. Defamation is by far the main rationale for removal requests in the U.S., accounting for 80 percent of the items.
Although the Google report is "part of an effort to highlight online censorship around the world," as The Guardian puts it, international comparisons should be interpreted with caution. Google received only three official removal requests in China from January through June, for example. A government that directly controls people's access to the Internet, routinely blocking objectionable material, need not rely on the cooperation of website operators.
But looking just at liberal democracies, you can see some interesting contrasts. The United Kingdom, with one-fifth as many people as the U.S., boasts 65 removal requests, 70 percent of the U.S. total. Since Britain has plaintiff-friendly libel laws, you might think defamation would be the main rationale there as well, but instead it is "privacy and security" (accounting for 47 percent of items), followed closely by "national security" (41 percent). By contrast, "national security" was the reason for only one removal request in the U.S., covering a single YouTube video, meaning that category accounted for 0.13 percent of flagged items. Google's compliance rate was higher in the U.K. as well, 82 percent vs. 63 percent in the U.S.
Germany, with a population about one-quarter the size of ours, had one-third more removal quests—125, covering 2,405 items. As in the U.S., defamation was the main reason, accounting for 67 percent of items. The next biggest category was "hate speech," the objection to 13 percent of the items (all YouTube videos). The corresponding number for the U.S. was less than 1 percent—not surprising, since this category of speech is not proscribable under U.S. law, unlike the situation in Germany, where people can be prosecuted for displaying Nazi symbols, denying the Holocaust, "defaming" ethnic or religious groups, or inciting "hatred against parts of the population."
The transparency report also includes numbers for "user data requests," which in the U.S. totaled 5,950, covering 11,057 individuals or accounts, during the first half of the year. That's up from 4,601 requests from January through June of 2010. "The number of requests we receive for user account information as part of criminal investigations has increased year after year," Google says. "The increase isn't surprising, since each year we offer more products and services, and we have a larger number of users." Of the 26 countries covered by Google's breakdown, the U.S. has by far the highest number of user data requests, but per capita it is similar to the number in the U.K.
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Looks like Lucy Steigerwald beat him to this, and wrote about more. She's the [Wo]Man!
Except they've pulled Lucy's story. I guess interns, like Mongo, only pawns in game of life.
Huh. Shame. She got it in first.
She was stepping all over Sullum's lines. You know how those show-biz types are.
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Not an intern, but I bow before the legendary Sullum none the less.
Sorry. Associate Editor only pawn in game of life.
Much better. Thank you.
The third word is associate is ass.
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Madam, you are the very model of graciousness.
Now get back out there and kick butt!
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Through rose-colored lesbian bifocals?
with sparkles.
Oh, that Mongo.
Huh. Lucy's article, something like "The Gov't wants to know what Google knows about you," disappeared after I commented on it. Any idea what happened?
Unfortunately, Google's report is only as accurate as the law allows. If requests are coming in the form of National Security Letters, Google isn't allowed to tell us the request was ever made.
If I were in carge of Google I wouls move to a non-extradition country and tell them to pound sand. BUT Google is run by a bunch of naive obamatrons who are learnig gubmint isnt always your friend.
Howard Hughes video never gets old.
I would also invent some sort of software which checks spelling...now that would be cool.
They still have operations in China.
They are going to learn long and hard and deep until it hurts, just like MSFT eventually did. And no, their go-along-to-get-along attitude won't help. It will only delay the inevitable butthurt.
the situation is still better in the US than most other european countries.
in france, for example, it is actually a crime for a person to "insult a police officer"
in italy, amanda knox's parents were indicted for "libeling the police" for claiming the police did a shitty investigation and their daughter was being framed.
also, as this article mentions
"The Tribunal de Grande Instance de Paris [official website, in French] on Friday ordered [judgment in PDF, in French] French Internet service providers to block access to Copwatch Nord Paris I-D-F, a website designed to allow civilians to post videos of alleged police misconduct. The decision was applauded by the police union, Alliance Police Nationale (APN) [union website, in French], which argued that the website incited violence against police. Jean-Claude Delage, secretary general of the APN, said that "[t]he judges have analyzed the situation perfectly ? this site being a threat to the integrity of the police ? and made the right decision."
anybody can see that situation (france) is far worse. this wasn't merely a request not to show X. it was an order from a court to an internet service to block access to a site where people posted (alleged) police misconduct videos because "The Tribunal de Grande Instance de Paris [official website, in French] on Friday ordered [judgment in PDF, in French] French Internet service providers to block access to Copwatch Nord Paris I-D-F, a website designed to allow civilians to post videos of alleged police misconduct. The decision was applauded by the police union, Alliance Police Nationale (APN) [union website, in French], which argued that the website incited violence against police. Jean-Claude Delage, secretary general of the APN, said that "[t]he judges have analyzed the situation perfectly ? this site being a threat to the integrity of the police ? and made the right decision."
one need only head over to youtube etc. to see a metric assload of police videos, and also recognize that we have FAR FAR more free speech than any european country i can think of.
http://volokh.com/2011/10/18/f...../#comments
I'm pretty sure insulting a police officer is a crime in the United States. Adjudication and imposition of the sentence may be handled in a more expiditious way, though.
Procedures were followed and nothing else happened.
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I'm pretty sure insulting a police officer is a crime in the United States. Adjudication and imposition of the sentence may be handled in a more expiditious way, though.
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I don't think it is explicitly a crime.
But it's a good way to end up spending the night in jail after receiving a good ass-whooping (unless it was dunphy or his partner. they'd never do that. they're not like the others. they're different. but there are no others that are like that. well maybe some. and they're always punished if it's not justified. but it was justified. it's always justified.) only to have charges dropped the next day.
"I don't think it is explicitly a crime."
sarcasmic didn't catch my sarcasm ?!
Long day.
It's cool. The sentencing guidelines for insulting a police officer actually stipulate ass-whooping and night in jail, so you got that part correct.
i really think it's amazing that people think this is true
at least in seattle, i can't even recall how many times i have seen cops arresting somebody, or whatever, and any # of seattleoid idiots are standing there calling them every name under the sun.
to which a yawn is the usual response
heck, when i was a snot nosed punk, i called a cop "a fascist idiot" and i got a sarcastic comment in return
clearly, my civil rights were violated.
i wish reason.com existed back then so i could have posted my outrage at this heinous govt agent of evul!
I can recall two specific instances where friends of mine had their faces bloodies by police for the crime of talking back to them. No initiation of force on their part. Just talking shit to a punk motherfucker with a badge and a gun.
One spent the night in jail for disorderly, the other was allowed to walk home and nurse his wounds.
God I hate cops.
sarcasmic translation: i got caught violating the drunk driving law, i was given a fair trial, i was guilty as fuck, but i'm still a bitter knob because it just wasn't FAIR and darnit that's not right
was i guilty?
sure
did i get a fair trial?
sure
but it still sux so fuck the police!!!
As I've said a hundred times dunph, I was pissed that I had to fix the car that hit me after running a red light because the pig intentionally neglected to mention it (lied by omission) in the report.
But of course you won't read this because you're a coward who lets off a snipe and then runs away like a little girl.
oh btw, i defer to nick gillespie about most cops doing a good job and having no problem with recording. he's a smart guy
hth
Yeah. Whatever. I find that difficult to believe since, without exception, every policeman I have ever interacted with was a liar who was looking for a fight.
Even the time I asked a Boston cop for directions resulted in a fucking interrogation.
God I hate cops.
Give us time, we're working on it
I'm sure you are.
Agreed. That's one of the frustrating things when liberals argue for more state intervention into our personal lives: if that's what you want, there are plenty of European countries to choose from. For us libertarians, on the other hand, the U.S. is still about as good as it gets (though some metrics have suggested Canada--despite its single-payer health care system--may be passing us up in many areas).
Im still fond of Switzerland. It has its cons and I know longer have the "get a job with a single phone call" option to make it my backup country. But it is still better than the rest of Europe.
Actually, from a quick google search, my old boss in Switzerland has his bosses job now, so maybe I still have that option. 🙂
Switzerland IS close to good German beer. 🙂
On a side note, I don't know why Switzerland isn't producing more quality beer. There are some Austrian breweries that have embraced their lack of a Reinheitsgebot tradition and are turning out some interesting brews. You'd think the German-speaking part of Switzerland would do the same.
It was some unknown (to me) Swiss brown beer that got me started down the path of tasty beer.
Being in college in Atlanta in the late 80s, I wasnt in the hotbed of craft beer, needless to say. It was the first beer I ever had that tasted good.
Shortly thereafter I moved to Wisconsin, and the rest is history.
...and my eyes glaze over as I zone out thinking about the New Glarus Wisconsin Belgian Red and Raspberry Tart in my cellar...
Switzerland can be an odd place. Most of the time I felt like I was living in "America with funny accents" (aka Wisconsin) but at other times I was baffled by the culture.
And I think it is just a matter of "we will let the Germans handle that, they seem to be good at it".
I love Switzerland. Especially the part where you can walk down a dark alley and groups of teenagers jump out of the way because they are afraid of you.
I liked the attitude towards crosswalks. Pedestrians have the right of way, and everyone honors it and stops for the pedestrian crossing. However, if you arent in the crosswalk, they wont stop, so the pedestrian has to make the commitment and step into the road trusting that the cars will stop.
Combining that with the general rule of not driving less than 3 times the posting limit made for some interesting walking.
The Swiss made me feel uncomfortable and unwelcome. We would walk into a bar and, just like in a sitcom, the record player would screech to a halt and everyone would stop talking and stare at us.
And no, we weren't "ugly Americans", for fuck's sake.
That happens everywhere else you go in the world if you're over 6 feet tall. You get used to it after awhile. Plus, it improved my pick-up skills. If you can act smooth after that, you can kill it in the States.
Walking around topless and drunk in 20 degree weather gets you looked at, Kristen.
Puhleeze, T...I was just tryin' to show 'em my skinnyskiing technique!
The swiss make the swiss feel uncomfortable and unwelcome.
Is it worse if you speak Swiss German or Swiss French?
Depends where you are. In Zurich you want to speak Swiss German, in Geneva, Swiss French.
And really, I have no fucking clue, as I speak Kentucky English. And I mostly got by just fine.
I managed to create the phrase "Danke merci", however.
I recommend the following tactic: Pretend that you believe that the Nazis were all Swiss. Nazi Switzerland started and eventually lost WWII. They won't be offended, but your ignorance will confirm their view of you as an idiotic American. They'll invite you to social occasions and ply you with free food and drink, in order to show their friends.
In addition, feign total ignorance of any language other than English. Even to the extent of not understanding French or German words incorporated into English in the last century or so.
Funny that you say that, my fiancee is currently working in Switzerland and the beer there is crap AND expensive. When I visited her, the price across the border was a quarter of the Swiss price and far better quality.
Plus, with the microbrewery revolution here there is more variety of good beer than you could ever drink.
14 dollars for a goddamn glass of cheap whiskey at a dive bar. Alcohol there is as expensive as hell.
Canada's complete lack of 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendment protections make it a non-starter. If the cops want to search your car, they do not need probable cause. If you own guns, they can come to your house at any time and inspect it to make sure the guns are locked up. If you want to go to the range, you are supposed to inform the cops ahead of time of the route you will take. To the range. And you can be brought up before "human rights commissions" for having opinions.
This is not a RAH RAH USA USA argument. This is a "holy shit everywhere sucks" argument.
I know of one place that doesn't suck.
It starts with an "S", and ends in "alia".
Which makes me think of St. Alia of the Knife.
Arakis. Libertarian paradise, bitchez!
Arrakis was no Salusa Secundus.
Other way around, dude.
!= is communative.
Goddamn commie operators.
There's an implied sense that Arrakis is inferior in your statement.
Secret: I was raised Sardaukar, but gave it up. Dont tell anyone.
I'm told people often "give it up" on a prison planet.
nice
My mention of Canada is in no means an endorsement; it's my way of saying "WTF, America? CANADA is ranked ahead of you in terms of economic freedom?"
Also, in Canada, police tape of a neighborhood if someone in fact SEES a gun.
If you want to go to the range, you are supposed to inform the cops ahead of time of the route you will take.
Mmm... yes and no. I have an open-ended ATT (Authorization To Transport Restricted Firearms). It wasn't very difficult to get, and you only need it for Restricted or Prohibited firearms (handguns, basically).
So I don't need to phone the cops every time I go to the range, but I do need to have this bit of paper with me if I'm taking my pistol (but not a rifle or shotgun).
Plus, the long-gun registry is going away (and the Earth is being salted so it can't easily come back).
Here are some interesting numbers relating to firearms ownership in Canada.
The same reduction in crime from 1991 to 2010 is true for the USA without that registry. And those numbers continue to drop from 2009-2010.
US FBI UCR*********** 1991-2010 * 2009-2010
Total violent crime***** -47%******* -6%
Murder*************** -51%******* -4.2%
Rape***************** -35%******* -5%
Robbery************** -56%******* -10%
Aggravated assault***** -41%******* -4.1%
Gee I thought bad economies were supposed to cause crime to increase?
Is there any country worth living in besides the US that doesn't have completely terrible gun regulations?
New Zealand?
(why doesn't Chrome recognize "Zealand" as a correct word?!?!)
Try "Lew Zealand".
Sounds like one of those Cousin Oliver-type characters. Lew Zealand can fuck off.
New Zealand has my tentative vote as well (Firefox recognizes the country, incidentally). If I simply must flee the land of my ancestors, that is.
I am a fan of Chile.
Costa Rica too.
In New Zealand they speak a reasonable facsimile of the English language. At my age, I'm too set in my ways to learn Espanol. My superior English skeelz and my smattering of French & Turkish will have to do.
The Turkish undotted i still catches me now and again.
IIANM, New Zealand does require handgun liceses. I'm not sure what restrictions they place on long guns. I'm pretty sure they have not gone full retard the way Canada and Australia have though.
And, though they have introduced more restrictions due to presure from the EU, IIANM the gun laws of most Swiss cantons are about as permissive as the least restrictive US states.
the US *is* better in regards to policing, something the liberal fucktards STILL don't get it
we have greater protections against search and seizures (many countries don't have an automatic exclusionary rule (as we do) or have one AT ALL), greater freedom to criticize the police (in some countries it is explicitly criminal e.g. france), greater freedom of speech w/o police interference etc.
for those who think our police are more "brutal" i just point to the fact that the WTO riots in europe saw actual DEATHS and massive serious injuries from cops as compared to seattle which (while liberal mayor paul schell did violate the constitution with his "no protest zone") had no deaths and minor injuries
anybody who thinks german or english cops are less likely to knock you on yer ass for various and sundry is living in a dream world
and again, a french court did what no court in the US ever could in the case i mentioned (and which volokh.com covered a while ag)
the amanda knox is the perfect public example of how a (theoretically progressive) country's "justice system" pales in comparison to ours
again, her parents were PROSECUTED for "libeling the police" in essence for criticizing them
such a case would be laffed out of US courts
Oh yeah, Paul "Enjoy your only term, sir" Schell. I remember him.
and then there was THIS..!!!
schell attacked in broad daylight by a bullhorn weilding "protester"
he man charged with assaulting former Mayor Paul Schell took the stand yesterday, capping a weeklong trial that saw twists, turns and no small amount of sarcasm.
James Cordell Garrett, also known as Omari Tahir-Garrett, told the court yesterday that he came by himself to the Central Area community festival July 7, 2001, and used a bullhorn to verbally challenge Schell, who was making a short speech. He said he handed the bullhorn to someone else and was trying to take a photograph when he was tackled by police.
"When I raised the camera, blue came from everywhere," said Garrett, 56, who later told the court he receives disability payments for "delayed-stress syndrome due to racism."
Although he was protesting police brutality during the festival, Garrett said he has no hatred toward police. "I love, love, love law-enforcement officers," he said.
Garrett said he barely knew Margie McClure, who testified Monday that it was she who struck the mayor in a fit of rage. The woman said she may have hit Schell while Garrett was 15 feet away.
On cross-examination, King County Senior Deputy Prosecutor Dan Soukup pounced.
"You're under oath," he told Garrett. "So, who hit the mayor?"
"I don't know," replied Garrett. "I didn't hit the mayor. I didn't see who hit the mayor." He then said he hadn't been paying attention to the trial proceedings because they were taking place in a "colonial court."
"It's not a jury of my peers," he said. "I'm a refugee of the African slave trade."
Soukup later pressed Garrett about his involvement in the 17-year effort to build an African-American heritage museum in the Central Area. The prosecutor suggested Garrett had no constituency and no political power.
In his first trial, which ended in a mistrial when jurors deadlocked 10-2, Garrett suggested that he was being persecuted for his role in trying to convert the former Colman School along Interstate 90 to a cultural center.
"Who are you working with? What are their names?" asked Soukup yesterday.
"When there's a problem, people come together. We get together and complain," said Garrett.
"Who are the people who are supporting you? Who is 'we?' " asked Soukup. "Your involvement in the African-American museum is you."
During Garrett's first trial, five people, including four Seattle Police officials, testified they saw him strike Schell. The two jurors who favored acquittal said their decision was fueled by a distrust of police and government officials.
Yesterday, Garrett's public defender, Eric Weston, sought to sow doubt about police testimony.
"The state really wants to convict Omari Tahir-Garrett. Who claims they saw this? A police officer, a police officer, a police officer," Weston told the jury. "You saw how badly he was treated on the stand. That's how badly they want him."
Soukup responded with sarcasm.
"We forgot to tell you about the super-secret meeting on July 6," he told the court. "Schell, Chief (Gil) Kerlikowske. Assistant Chief (Nicholas) Metz, they were all figuring it out. How do we get Omari? That's what the defendant is asking you to believe," said Soukup. "Conspiracy."
Soukup dismissed McClure's testimony, and said jurors should put aside any ill feelings they may have about police.
"It's unfortunate we don't have four Boy Scouts and a nun testifying. But that's not who was there. We have four police officers. I don't know who says that if you are a police officer, you're not to be believed. What kind of culture is that?"
The jury began deliberations yesterday afternoon.
As much as the Bill of Rights gets ignored, the 1st (with a few notable exceptions) still does a lot of good work and seems to be by and large respected.
As does the 3rd
There may be a point when its needed...
Behold, the mall cop returneth!
"in france, for example, it is actually a crime for a person to 'insult a police officer'"
I'm curious: where do you draw the line on disorderly conduct?
i draw the line where the law draws it. i have never in 20 yrs made an arrest for disorderly conduct in any jurisdiction for anything remotely resembling an "insult". WA's statute is actually (thankfully) much more limiting than many states that have somewhat of a contempt of cop statute.
honestly, though if you think you can "get away' with more criticism of the police in european countries than here, you are daft
during n30, we had a protester yelling at my (black) partner that he was a "fucking n**ger" etc. over and over again and we did nothing
i can guarantee you that in italy, england, etc. he would be arrested, and likely charged with a "hate crime"
Reading into the question a bit, no? Anecdotes and personal suppositions aside, you claim to draw the line "where the law draws it." So where, exactly, might that be?
in WA it draws it rather narrowly, as it SHOULD imo
WA in general recognizes greater civil rights, and actually recognizes a right to privacy (there is only a right under the 4th not to be subject to UNreasonable search and seizure)
amongst the many "we are better' things in the US is the fact that one can choose a state the recognizes substantially broader rights than the minimum required under the federal constitution
but my state draws the concept of "disorderly conduct" narrowly,... thus, i do too
if i've made more than 3 or 4 DC arrests in the last 10 yrs, i'd be surprised. we also have no drunk in public law.
RCW 9A.84.030
"(1) A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if the person: (a) Uses abusive language and thereby intentionally creates a risk of assault."
Seems one could drive a truck through that, if so inclined. Skimming through a few more WA statutes (e.g. RCW 9.61.260, Chapter 9.81, etc), I'd bet you could pretty easily round up a few people who post here if you felt like it.
case law etc. says the risk of assault must be imminent. it's a pretty strict standard and at least in my agency is really used very rarely.
the last VERBAL one i recall making (it is also disorderly conduct to intentionally block traffic, which i have arrested before when people refuse to get out of the roadway) was some guy who was standing outside a gas station convenience store who believed he had been ripped off. the matter was civil and I told him to take it to small claims.
anyway, he persisted in standing in front of the store (but not on store property) and yell at the store clerk "fucking n**ger" ripped me off" and shit like that.
over and over. with repeated requests, then demands for him to move on and/or shut up.
he was drawing a crowd, a quite hostile crowd , and frankly, i probably saved him a serious beating by arresting him.
i look at booking logs, etc. at the jail (they are public record in mine and neighboring counties)
feel free to peruse king county, sno county, and pierce county jail logs and see what %age of arrests are for disorderly conduct. if it's more than 2% i'd be surprised (and remember, many may not even be speech related - theres the traffic section too)
The Europe you describe is exactly what the leftists want to turn the US into after they nationalize/socialize things here a little more.
For the love of POLIS' property values is the root of all POLICe brutality.
Apparently the meds are wearing off.
That's why we need Groovus Maximus to prescribe something a little stronger. Like hemlock.
How very libertarian of you, to suggest we poison someone because he's aggressing against your right to not have to see his posts.
For rectal, OTOH, I suggest we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Yeah you're right rather.
You're really smart.
And pretty too.
You want to have your head asplode from police wrongdoing (aside from the recent story about NY cops selling gunz-n-stuff)?
Listen to this lovely little tale about NY cop Adrian Schoolcraft.
Hmmm... I'm sensing some sort of common element here...
These cop gunrunning stories in gun free zones seem to go in cycles. DC had the same issue in the mid 1990s, with an apparently better participation percentage.
The United Kingdom, with one-fifth as many people as the U.S., boasts 65 removal requests, 70 percent of the U.S. total.
Per capita, save me!
All those other places everyone is already being filmed anyway. Why is anyone complaining about one more camera pointed at him?
Speaking of limeys, Is the US Declaration of Independence illegal?
Yes, it should have been in the ML, but fuck you anyway.
The DoI is the document that makes the revolution "legal".
But that is all bullshit, when it comes to revolution, might makes right.
Also, this was linked to about a week ago Warty.
I believe the last clause of my last sentence contains all the substance you deserve. Dick.
Your Majesty, the legal basis is FACEPUNCH!
It is quite interesting to see Natural Law being talked about in a mainstream source, though.
""But that is all bullshit, when it comes to revolution, might makes right.""
Exactly. If you win, it was legal. Lose, and you'll pay the price.
Just ask old Oliver Cromwell.
Sure, it was illegal right up until the point when the US was no longer part of England. What a silly debate.
Any footage of of little dogs getting thrown out windows?
Totally OT, but I missed the morning links:
Did anyone see Jon Stewart defending Obama by saying that his Iraq exact plan was the same one Bush set up?
That would be quite a defense strategy from Stewart.
I couldn't believe it. Shouldn't he be slamming Obama for that?
Dunphy,
I came by my loathing of cops second hand.
My son was out with his girlfriend, and she becomes ill
Oops.
They pull over to call her father. Cop pull up behind. My son, due to a move from a 17+ driver's licence state has no license. Cop pulls his name and claims he does, and he can prove it with his cool cop computer (which has to be a lie by default).
Cop does an illegal search of the car (for his safety, of course). I call the cop's supervisor, who blows me off, and further tells me to pound sand and he'll find a way to arrest my son if I push to see he dash cam vid.
Tune changes the next day when I show up in my scary Army officer suit, and the utterly shameless sergeant assigned to my complaint explains that it was all a big misunderstanding and would my son and I like to go on a ride along.
Fuck central Texas cops and cop suckers everywhere.
i don't come by my loathing of a class of persons (whether we are talking race, employment, or whatever) because of some horse's asses in that group.
i have met fuckstick:
cops
firefighters
lawyers
black guys
white guys
jewish guys
christian guys
atheist guys
sorority girls
drummers
singers
guitar players
medical doctors
etc.
i don't thus "loathe" the group because some of them are assmunches
i agree with nick gillespie and the american public as a whole: most cops do a good job in difficult situations and are to be respected
some are assholes
I do think a reasonable exception to your loathing avoidance rule would be classes which undeniably are constituted solely of assmunches. Such as any self-ascribed members of any Democrat Caucus. Or Commies.
I laugh when cops die.
Pardon my spelling. My state school education did not prepare me for the agressively wrong spell checker on my iPad. I'll accept the spelling nazi reaming in advance.
If a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged, then a libertarian is a conservative who has been mugged by cops.
interesting. at least for me. many of my experiences AS a cop (and to an extent, as a firefighter) have informed my libertarianism, as has reading hayek, sowell, etc.
i'll admit i am not a randian, but sowell, hayek, etc. speak to me
i also LOVE capitalism , and love the markets.
And as a cop I would assume lying to teenagers and illegally searching their car. Can't be too safe with a sick girl (to whom the cop offered no assistance) and a clueless teenage boy.
"come over here boy and look in my cop computer. You have a license and must be a liar."
"but officer, that is impossible since I don't have a license."
"you contradictin' me boy"
2 generations of cop haters spawned in a single evening. I would stop to render aid if I saw a cop being beaten to death, as long as they let me hold his arms...
does the term "manic" mean anything to you?
Cibolo, Tx PD, part of the 99% giving the 1% a bad name.
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Does the term apologist mean anything to you?
i agree with nick gillespie and the american public as a whole: most cops do a good job in difficult situations and are to be respected
Cops vs Soldiers, a word picture
Imagine a Greek Hoplite. Shield and spear at the ready.
The soldier points his spear at the enemies of the nation, his shield defending the populace. He says stay behind me, I'll protect you. There is no such thing as "soldier safety is paramount" or "do what you have to to go home at the end of the mission". Soldiers die so the rest of the populace does not.
The cop has his spear pointed at the populace. His safety is number one. The non-cop is a "sheep" or "dirtbag" or my favorite term from the Police One site "POS". They taze 9 year olds and pregnant women. Their shield only protects other members of the brotherhood.
Your buddies have their spears pointed in he wrong direction. YouTube is a Godsend.
not ime. i have seen numerous examples of cops (and firefighters of which i used to be one) risk their lives and/or serious injury to help people. the idea that our safety is #1 may be true for some cowardly cops, but i have seen WAY WAY too many acts of outright heroism as well as just trying to help in general, to buy your line
the recent issaquah shooting rampage was a good example. the cops ran towards the threat, helped get some people to safety while others ran towards the active shooter and took him out.
i've personally been cited for bravery for pulling people from a burning building. no "non cops" were willing to do that.
we recently had a cop disarm some chick weilding a box cutter when he was clearly justified in shooting her but chose to take the risk of trying to disarm her so he wouldn't have to hurt her
shit like that happens all the time
are there cowardly cops? absolutely. do they disgust me? yes
fwiw, what disgusts me more, is that to a large extent, police academies and training programs often INSTITUTIONALIZE cowardice.
as do cop-o-crat admins like in the kris kime mardi gras riot case. the order was given NOT to engage the rioting crowd so as not to look bad on CNN swinging sticks at people of color (subsequent media film analysis revealed about 80% were people of color to use the preferred term and i am certain that played a part in the copocrats decision to have the cops stand down).
kris kime is dead because of it.
there is no room for cowardice in police work.
cops should use good officer safety and undue risks/beyond the call o duty are their personal call, but NO cop should (for example) stand by outside a school while active shooters are shooting school kids, so they can wait for SWAT. that was fucking disgusting
not ime. i have seen numerous examples of cops (and firefighters of which i used to be one) risk their lives and/or serious injury to help people. the idea that our safety is #1 may be true for some cowardly cops, but i have seen WAY WAY too many acts of outright heroism as well as just trying to help in general, to buy your line
the recent issaquah shooting rampage was a good example. the cops ran towards the threat, helped get some people to safety while others ran towards the active shooter and took him out.
i've personally been cited for bravery for pulling people from a burning building. no "non cops" were willing to do that.
we recently had a cop disarm some chick weilding a box cutter when he was clearly justified in shooting her but chose to take the risk of trying to disarm her so he wouldn't have to hurt her
shit like that happens all the time
are there cowardly cops? absolutely. do they disgust me? yes
fwiw, what disgusts me more, is that to a large extent, police academies and training programs often INSTITUTIONALIZE cowardice.
as do cop-o-crat admins like in the kris kime mardi gras riot case. the order was given NOT to engage the rioting crowd so as not to look bad on CNN swinging sticks at people of color (subsequent media film analysis revealed about 80% were people of color to use the preferred term and i am certain that played a part in the copocrats decision to have the cops stand down).
kris kime is dead because of it.
there is no room for cowardice in police work.
cops should use good officer safety and undue risks/beyond the call o duty are their personal call, but NO cop should (for example) stand by outside a school while active shooters are shooting school kids, so they can wait for SWAT. that was fucking disgusting
no censorship!!! no coverups
On March 9, 2011 several Police brutally ordered a K-9 to attack an unarmed, California Registered (RN). The California Highway Patrol (CHP) in Orange County then attempted to cover up the incident.
Malik King, a reportedly Licensed Vocational Nurse (LVN) since nineteen and RN since twenty three, is said to have initially attempted to steal a car. Later, it was found he was the owner of that Mercedes. What ensued next on the part of several officers goes well beyond the bounds of simply trying to subdue their suspect.
The several police officers ordered a police K-9 to attack him while he was still fastened in his seat-belt; tasered multiple times while the K-9 attacked for over one minute and thirty seconds, then hand cuffed, slammed to the concrete, hog tied, beat and kicked in the head until unconscious. He was then taken to jail, accused of multiple felonies, and had to pay $50,000 for bail.
Despite witnesses and the clear brutality of the beating, kicking, tasering, and ordered K-9 attack, California Highway Patrol allowed several officers to remain active and attempted a cover-up.
Violations of federal law occur when it can be shown that the force used was willfully "unreasonable" or "excessive". By signing this petition you agree that "unreasonable" or "excessive force" was used on Malik A. King on March 9, 2011 in Orange County, California.
The beating of Mr. King is sickening and disturbing. The police involved in the beating and cover up must be brought to justice. Tell Orange County District Attorney Tony Rackauckas to thoroughly investigate and prosecute the officers involved in the brutality of Malik A. King,LVN,RN.
P.S. today is my birthday and would appreciate if you signed today and spread the word.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com.....6/722/705/
Respectfully,
Malik