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Ron Paul, Obstetrician: No Abortions, No Federal Money

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Forceps for freedom!

NPR has an interesting feature about presidential candidates' first jobs. Up today was Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), and his medical practice. I found this part to be most interesting:

Eventually Paul got so busy he took on a partner. Jack Pruett, who was then fresh out of his obstetrics/gynecology residency, says when he first sat down in Paul's office, he was told there were two stipulations he would have to agree to before joining the practice.

"He said, 'No. 1 is we will not perform any abortions.' And I said, 'That's fine; I can live with that. What's No. 2?' " he remembers.

No. 2, says Pruett, was that the practice would not participate in any federal health programs, which meant, as Paul described it, "that we will see all Medicare and Medicaid patients free of charge, and they will be treated just like all of our other patients, but we're not going to charge them and accept federal funds."

Still in debt from his medical training, Pruett said that was a little harder for him to swallow. "But I liked Ron, so I decided I would agree to that, too. And in all those 20 years, we never accepted one penny of federal money. We saw all those patients for free, delivered their babies for free, did their surgeries free; whatever they needed we did, and we didn't charge them."

Whole thing here. Reason on Ron Paul here, including his profile in our Presidential Dating Game.

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  1. Alt text win.

    Also! My first First! I win!

    1. Strangely, I thought there would be more confetti flying around right now. I also expected a flock of Brazilian girls to appear with them tit-ropes and swing ’em at me.

      Sigh. Another moment in the bonecrushingly sad existence that is my own.

      1. Dude, you have a town named after you. What more do you want? You must be a monocle-wearing 1 percenter. 😉

        1. When I get a town, I want it to be called Libertataritaville.

          1. Tardville is easier to pronounce.

          2. Fort Awesome, West Fistylvania 80085

            1. Im never going to Fistylvania.

              1. Oh come on – please?

            2. Sorry, but I saw a sign that said Fort Awesome at Occupy DC.

              It was just a bunch of punks smoking and playing the banjo.

              1. I saw a sign that said Fort Awesome at Occupy DC.

                It was just a bunch of punks smoking and playing the banjo.

                Sounds about right.

                1. Sounds about right.

                  NFS, my Fort Awesome couldn’t live up to its name quite like that. Fine. Suavetown it is.

                  And with regard to my name, you people need to get your minds out of the gutter before I put my fist in your… FACE.

              2. “Awesome” can mean something that inspires awe, not just the more colloquial “inspiring” or “great.”

                In this case, by Fort Awesome, I think they meant “awesome” in the same sense as in this sentence: “The stupidity of teens in horror flicks is awesome to behold.”

              3. That doesn’t sound at all fortified or awesome. I bet it wasn’t even on high ground. Stupid punks.

                1. It was just a bunch of punks smoking and playing the banjo.
                  That’s just how Earl Scruggs got started.

                2. Reminds me of that Roman general in Spartacus who failed to fortify his camp with moat and stockade. Look what happened to him.

                  1. PWNED!!!!!

                3. Needs more substance; and more sentences.

          3. Monocville, obviously.

            1. How about Monoclopolis?

                1. Monoclecestershire?

                  1. Monoculum is already the name of a type sexual utensil, I’m pretty sure.

                    1. M?noclengladbach?

            2. Monocllanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch

              1. Or monocllanfairpwllgwyngyll for short.

                1. We don’t talk about the Welsh on this site, thank you very much.

                  1. Taintpunchervilletownburgh.

                    1. Taintpunchervilletownburgh.

                      Making you the *burghermeister?

                    2. Or Punchmaster. I’ll work in either post until my knuckles give out.

                2. So Montani Semper Liberi is a Welsh name?

                  1. Damn! Aced out.

                    1. Spatston?

                      Hey, spats are overlooked… gotta protect those shoes from the offal produced by those paupers.

                    2. It really isn’t that big a deal. The really weird part is how many of these places were named after me before I was even born!

                      Marshall Islands (also known as “Republic of the Marshall Islands”), an island nation in the Pacific Ocean

                      In the United States of America:

                      Marshall, Alaska
                      Marshall, Arkansas
                      Marshall, California
                      Marshall, former name of Lotus, California
                      Marshall Pass, a mountain pass in Colorado
                      Marshall, Illinois
                      Marshall, Indiana
                      Marshall, Michigan
                      Marshall, Minnesota
                      Marshall, Missouri
                      Marshall, Oklahoma
                      Marshall, New York
                      Marshall, North Carolina
                      Marshall, North Dakota
                      Marshall, Texas
                      Marshall, Virginia
                      Marshall, Wisconsin
                      Marshall, Dane County, Wisconsin
                      Marshall, Richland County, Wisconsin
                      Marshall, Rusk County, Wisconsin

                      In other countries:

                      Marshall, Victoria, a suburb of Geelong, Victoria, Australia
                      Marshall, Saskatchewan

                    3. TIL: If I write a letter to someone in Marshall, Wisconsin, I’d better have a zip code on it…

          4. Spencerville, Spenceria, the United States of Spencer. Zip Code? “Suck It”.

          5. I started Libertopia on Facebook.

          6. I’m stealing Delphtonopolisburg and using it.

      2. Evan:
        Brazilian dancing girls cost money. I’m more than happy to contribute assuming I’m invited to the party.

      3. Tit-ropes.

        That is all.

  2. No, no, I have it on very good authority that Paul wants poor people to die. In fact, part of his platform involves concentration camps for poor people, people who get abortions, and people who aren’t Christians. Because all libertarians want such things and want to use the government to force others to behave. . .or face the consequences!

    1. Looks like somebody must be sleeping in today so I’ll give it a shot:

      And no Interweb Gamboling! Because Peels/Please/Puhleese sounds like Fleece. And fleece blankets are everywhere now. Just like fleas. Fleas infest dogs. But I’m a cat person. Read the 1138 Theses: “If you feel you are not properly sedated, call 348-844 immediately. Failure to do so may result in prosecution for criminal drug evasion.”

      How’d I do?

      1. Too coherent.

        1. and the handle is too far removed from the object of ridicule. -5pts

  3. WTF? No hat tip? Postrel would’ve given one.

    1. I heard it on the radio this morning.

      1. Wait, there are other new sources beside the Internet?

        1. Sadly, yes and it has more tubez.

      2. Postrel would’ve caught the EM waves in her brain and deciphered them intuitively.

      3. Thank you for having some standards for hat tips. If the MLB Hall of Fame worked like some Reason commenters want hat-tipping to work, the next think we’d know Bill Mazeroski would be in the hall.

        1. I am in the Hall of Fame.

          1. You may have been able to turn a double play faster than any man alive, but jokes still come pretty slow to you.

            1. Sorry, I’m a little sensitive about that. 9,000 more double plays than the next highest 2nd basemen, and it took 30 years to get into the Hall.

              1. Seeing as how you have a good argument towards being the worst hitting HOFer ever, I don’t think you should be complaining. Accept your gold watch for hitting a walk off in 1960 and move on.

                1. Seeing as how you have a good argument towards being the worst hitting HOFer ever, I don’t think you should be complaining.

                  Ray Schalk, Rabbit Maranville and Luis Aparico question this.

                  Of the 4, Schalk is the only one that probably doesnt belong in the HOF.

                  He is basically in the Hall for not being crooked.

                  1. Ray Schalk, Rabbit Maranville and Luis Aparico question this.

                    Of the 4, Schalk is the only one that probably doesnt belong in the HOF.

                    Oh, I don’t believe he is the worst, but he’s definitely in the conversation. Their all roughly as terrible as each other, but Schalk, Maranville, and Aparicio all played more important positions than Maz, and arguably as well in the cases of the shortstops. I’d put Maz below Aparicio and above the other two; Aparicio’s skillset was more biased towards getting on base (if only slightly) and he had plus speed, something Maz definitely can’t say.

                    I’m a small hall guy though, if I had my way I’m not sure any of them would be in.

                    1. I’m a small hall guy though, if I had my way I’m not sure any of them would be in.

                      Im not a small hall guy. Im a “its the right size but the wrong guys” hall guy. And, yeah, after looking up some numbers, I wouldnt put any of the 4 in. However, I think if you are gonna put in guys for being masters at one part of the game, as opposed to overall ability, then all 3 go in (but not Schalk) for defense. Or, at least Maz, for being the best defensive second baseman.

                    2. If you are gonna put in guys for being masters at one part of the game, as opposed to overall ability, then all 3 go in for defense. Or, at least Maz, for being the best defensive second baseman.

                      Can’t really argue there. They were all the best defensive players at their positions for a long time.

              2. Maybe if you had been able to hit, even just a little bit, the wait would have been shorter.

                1. I can’t begin to tell you how pleased I am that this comments thread includes a conversation with Bill Mazeroski. Who obviously couldn’t hold Bobby Grich’s jock.

                  1. Baseball analyst Bill James has written that, “Bill Mazeroski’s defensive statistics are probably the most impressive of any player at any position”.[1]
                    It ain’t the Hitters Hall of Fame!

                    1. Baseball analyst Bill James has written that, “Bill Mazeroski’s defensive statistics are probably the most impressive of any player at any position”.

                      …23 years ago, or before Ozzie Smith’s career was close to done. Baseball statistics have undergone a huge leap forward in the past decade or so, with defense only now starting to come under the microscope. Check back in 10 years and we’ll have a much better picture of Maz’s true impact.

                      I’ll have to dig up last abstract and see what Mr. James had to say, his opinion may have changed. That itself was written about a decade ago, so the same caveats apply.

                    2. Hits – 2016 Double plays – 1706 Years of turning at least 100 double plays – 11
                      So he could hit and field.

                    3. 2016 hits in 2163 games, .260/.299/.367 slash line, 138 home runs, 84 adjusted OPS, 15 oWar in 17 seasons. That’s not a good hitter.

                      Welch is right, it’s a travesty that he’s in the hall over Grich.

                    4. Maz had 3.4 more dWAR than Grich.

                      That doesnt make up for the lack of hitting. Honestly, NEITHER belong in the Hall of Fame if we are going to look at career WAR.

                    5. Grich has the problem that he wasnt GREAT at anything.

                      67.7 career war is good, but not great. His peak isnt great either, one year over 7, 3 more years over 6.

                      And he doesnt have a specific skill that he was great at. A good defender, but not great. A good power hitter, but not great. Good at stealing bases, but not great.

                      Grich is first ballot for the Hall of Very Good. He has nothing that suggests he should be in the Hall of Fame.

                      Maz wasnt the total player Grich was. BUT HE WAS THE BEST FUCKING DEFENSIVE SECOND BASEMAN OF ALL TIME.

                      That is a qualification for the HoF. Is it enough? After 30 years of waiting, apparently it was.

                    6. BUT HE WAS THE BEST FUCKING DEFENSIVE SECOND BASEMAN OF ALL TIME.

                      Well, maybe not. Bid McPhee would question it. And McPhee chose to play sans gloves a decade after everyone else was wearing one.

                      But in the modern gloved era, Maz is the best.

                    7. I’m not so sure.t. Grich over an 11 year stretch averaged 5 WAR annually, which essentially means he was as good as Cano has been for twice as long. Seems to be a good candidate considering his position.

                    8. To quote Bill James: “He wouldnt be the worst player there.”

                    9. Grich was elected to the Hall of Merit (which occurred well after I stopped participating in it, which was sometime around WW2) and while I dont agree with all the decisions, its a pretty good measure, so I could be wrong.

                    10. Well, everyone ahead of him except for Lou Whitaker, Jim Edmonds, and Bill Dahlen is either in, active and will be, or banned. He’s stuck right at the borderline between obvious and not, but since he doesn’t have that one thing to hang his hat (the fame aspect), he’s on the outside. Oh well.

                    11. In terms of WAR amongst position players.

                      http://www.baseball-reference……reer.shtml

                    12. Mazeroski was a below average hitter every year of his career, which is the basic problem with his HOF case. You almost have to give him a “best fielder ever at his position” exemption to make the case, because looking at him as a player _overall_ causes him to come up short.

  4. No. 2, says Pruett, was that the practice would not participate in any federal health programs, which meant, as Paul described it, “that we will see all Medicare and Medicaid patients free of charge, and they will be treated just like all of our other patients, but we’re not going to charge them and accept federal funds.”

    FEDGOV: Why, that miser! Who does he think he is, NOT accepting our money to help the poor and needy? Who cares if he treated the poor and needy for free, who does he think he is not accepting our money to help the poor and the needy? Who does he think he is to upstage us???

    1. I have a doctor friend who tells me about a number of his colleagues who are going into the cash-only business (meaning no insurance). If medicine is actually socialized completely, I imagine that will become illegal. Otherwise, all the good doctors will do that and service wealthier patients while all the less good won’t.

      1. I saw an article on this about a decade ago. The doctors were actually taking lots of poor patients because a basic doctors visit was a flat $25.

        They had 1/2 assistant doing paperwork. I think the practive had 4 or 5 people doing paperwork when they took insurance. It was easy to be cheap without the overhead.

        1. For every two hospital beds there are three hospital administrators who do nothing but paperwork. It creates jobs, but those jobs produce nothing of value in return for they cost the consumer.

          1. When a branch from a tree destroyed my deck and damaged my roof/gutter/siding, the repairmen didnt have to file paperwork with my insurance company and they didnt get paid from them either. I got a check from the insurance company and I paid them.

            Yeah, its not an exact analogy, I could take the time, let the insurance company determine damages, send me a check and then hire people to fix the problem, but ignoring that, its the same concept.

            Why shouldnt I, the patient, be the one filing the claims with the insurance company? Why is the paperwork the responsibility of the doctor/hospital?

            1. What, and have no officials direct your actions? You probably shopped around and bought your insurance yourself. Horrors!

          2. I’ve long held that health care is little but a jobs program.

            Have you seen how many people work in a doctor’s office? The check-in person, check-out person, various people who deal with insurance, others who deal with government regulations. The shit is ridiculous.

            I want to pay the doctor so that I can get the treatment I need, not so that various people who have little to no connection to my actual health care can have a paying job.

      2. there was actually a bill in the MA statehouse a last year that would mandate that all doctors take government insurance programs as a condition of their licence.

        This doesnt even require full outright socialization.

        1. there was actually a bill in the MA statehouse a last year that would mandate that all doctors take government insurance programs as a condition of their licence

          Except, if you’re treating the patients for free, you’re not “accepting” ANY insurance program from them, so, no need to accept the govt’s.

          Loopholes ftw!

          1. “But it turns out the case wasn’t so hypothetical. In 2008, 49-year-old Kent Snyder, who ran Paul’s presidential bid that year, was struck by pneumonia. He died a few weeks later ? without health insurance ? and reportedly with more than $400,000 in unpaid hospital bills.”

            So “society” didn’t let this guy die after all. Suck it, liberals.

            1. Re: Concerned Citizen,

              So “society” didn’t let this guy die after all. Suck it, liberals.

              I thought the same thing! Exactly what was the point that the blogger tried to make? That there are people that die without paying their bills? Or that the uninsured sometimes die without paying their bills? I thought the point from the left was that the uninsured do not receive care at all.

              1. I imagine that there are tons of people who have great insurance yet still die every day.

            2. No, no, you don’t understand. He died because he wasn’t “insured”.

              1. No, no, you don’t understand. He died because he wasn’t “insured”.

                Well, yeah, I mean, that’s why I pay for Life Insurance, so I don’t die.

  5. Gotta love Dr. Paul. Practices what he doesn’t preach.

    1. Re: The Unborn,

      Gotta love Dr. Paul. Practices what he doesn’t preach.

      What would that be? Care to elaborate?

      1. He won’t abort children in his practice but will not attempt to force others not to.

        1. Re: Wide Indention,

          He won’t abort children in his practice but will not attempt to force others not to.

          That makes no sense. What does that have to do with what “The Unborn” wrote? There’s a big chasm between “preaching” and “forcing.”

          1. I think Unborn was saying that Paul isnt “preachy”, it isnt his style.

            He just acts on his principles.

          2. Dr. Paul is pro life but doesn’t make a big deal about it. We think it’s a big fucking deal, to quote Biden.

            1. Re: The Unborn,

              Ah, I see. Ok, it makes sense – thank you for clearing that one up.

  6. Silly man. Doesn’t he understand that doing good isn’t about helping people your own way of your own volition?

  7. You guys should take a peek at some of the comments in that NPR post.

    Pearls of wisdom like:

    “What Ron Paul and other libertarians fail to realize is that it is impossible to eliminate a governing body under a monetary based, market driven economic system. The imbalances (inequalities) this system creates need a formalized system of law with proper enforcfment. Sadly, the system in place here in the US lacked the safeguards to stop it’s turning in a corrupted enterprise (perhaps an inevitability of this same economic system). The current protests around the globe are a direct reaction to this imbalance. What GOP candidate (or any candidate) including Ron Paul gets this?”

    What else is there besides a money based market system? Why, a communitarian barter-based system! You know, where you can buy a wife for 6 head of oxen. Or something.

    Here’s another:

    I’d like to see Dr. Paul try his practice in a a large inner city neighborhood and not accept any government health assitance.

    It’s a lot easier brag about turning down medicaid in a small town than in a big city.

    There’s obviously no explanation as to why that would be.

    1. What else is there besides a money based market system?

      Whatever they are using in North Korea. I think it’s called starvation.

    2. “It’s a lot easier brag about turning down medicaid in a small town than in a big city.”

      Yeah, and it’s a lot easier to demand the government take money from others to help the poor than to help the poor oneself.

      1. Re: romulus augustus,

        The way the commenter badmouths Paul is interesting – implying Paul is the one bragging about his practice, as if Paul himself had written the piece, not a blogger quoting an associate of Dr. Paul. It just shows the inherent intellectual dishonesty coming from the left.

        1. ‘It just shows the inherent intellectual dishonesty coming from the left.’ – I think it’s more intellectual poverty, than dishonesty.

    3. You’d think we were slaughtering the poor for food before welfare, what with all of the nonsense spewed by our socialist class. Americans, by and large, are pretty generous with their money and would likely be much more so if they had more of their money to spend and the government wasn’t involved in the charity business.

      Not to mention mutual aid societies and all of the other alternatives to corrupt, politically biased government redistributions of wealth.

        1. And we’d give a whole lot more if the perception that the government was “on the job” were no longer present.

          The real secret to limiting mind-numbing poverty, of course, is a prosperous economy.

          1. What, and have people making profits from peaceful, voluntary exchanges? What kind of extremist are you?

            1. I believe I’m right of Attila the Hun, the first presidential candidate of the LP.

              1. Attila ’34, what a campaign.

                1. I preferred Genghis ’06 personally.

                  1. The catering wasn’t as good.

                    1. The after party raping and pillaging was the shit.

                  2. Vlad the Impaler ’72, man that was some victory party.

                2. Puhleeze, Tamerlane ’99 was the best campaign of all time.

                  1. Any election occuring on a year ending in ’99 is always great because they play that Prince song over and over again. The 1299 election of H?kon V Magnusson to the throne of Norway was a particularly noteworthy exampled.

        2. I didn’t read the article, but I assume that doesn’t includ foreign aid, medicaid, welfare or other government operated “charities”…

    4. What else is there besides a money based market system? Why, a communitarian barter-based system! You know, where you can buy a wife for 6 head of oxen. Or something.

      I got mine for 4 oxen and a goat. You paid way too much.

      1. 4 oxen and a goat

        I hate carrying around change.

        1. OK, that was good.

          1. I stole the basic concept of the joke from Douglas Adams.

            1. Never admit it.

              1. My implementation was better.

        2. The price was 4 oxen and a goat. I had 5 oxen, so I got seven chickens change.

          Here’s an actual math problem: If three camels of ten years in age bring one hundred and eight tamkas, then what is the price of five camels nine years of age? (from the Ganitasara)

          1. It’s an ill defined problem.

      2. Re: Spartacus,

        But is the sex just as good? Ah-ha!

        1. Not since I got rid of the goat.

          1. I’m sure the goat was delicious, though…

      3. Maybe he just has higher standards for child-bearers… You get what you pay for!

        1. Gar. OM beat me to it.

    5. It’s a lot easier brag about turning down medicaid in a small town than in a big city.

      Brazoria’s poverty rate is comparable to San Francisco’s.

      But I’m sure doctors further down Market Street would be dying in the streets were it not for federal funds.

    6. Waht else is there besides a money based system?

      The United Federation of Planets
      AKA, technocrat nerd fantasy

      1. Well, maybe in the 24th Century. In the 23rd Century, a tribble was worth 10 credits.

        1. Due to inlfation it is now worth 10 bars of gold pressed latinum.

    7. What Ron Paul and other libertarians fail to realize is that it is impossible to eliminate a governing body under a monetary based, market driven economic system. The imbalances (inequalities) this system creates need a formalized system of law with proper enforcfment. Sadly, the system in place here in the US lacked the safeguards to stop it’s turning in a corrupted enterprise (perhaps an inevitability of this same economic system). The current protests around the globe are a direct reaction to this imbalance. What GOP candidate (or any candidate) including Ron Paul gets this?

      Bare assertion fallacies. Fun for the whole family.

    8. And even if one takes the bait with the assumption that it’s because there are so many poor folk in the ghetto, that doesn’t take in to account that most poor people live in rural areas.

  8. What? You mean this guy actually put his own money where his mouth is and took on the burden of treating all these people for free? Doesn’t he know the real way to help poor people is to upload a picture of himself to flickr holding up a piece of paper begging the government to tax him more so that everyone can have “free” healthcare? What a loser.

  9. Reason, stop posting Ron Paul hit pieces and smears! You oughta be ashamed!!!1!11!

  10. “We saw all those patients for free, delivered their babies for free, did their surgeries free; whatever they needed we did, and we didn’t charge them.”

    We just charged the other people extra, because they were rich and could afford it.

      1. I wonder if Alan has read A People’s History of the United States?

    1. Re: Anal Vanneman,

      We just charged the other people extra, because they were rich and could afford it.

      Are you his accountant? Or are you simply pulling one out of your ass, as usual?

    2. Via Alan Vanneman: Sherlock Holmes and the Giant Caesarean Section of Sumatra

    3. And what’s wrong with a sliding scale?

    4. And when Medicaid’s under-reimbursement policy forces doctors to do the exact thing Venneman is complaining about, he’s fine with it.

      That’s why he’s a partisan shitbag.

    5. We just charged the other people extra, because they were rich and could afford it.

      So? Those other people were obviously willing to pay whatever Dr. Paul charged for his services.

    6. Obviously a man and would therefore have not the first clue how much a good gyno is worth. I would (hand have) paid extra for someone who knows what they’re doing down there. There’s a reason why “speculum” is one of the words women hate the most.

      1. There’s a reason why “speculum” is one of the words women hate the most.

        Because it’s hard to remember how to spell?

        1. Nah, women are great spellers, they major in Wymen’s studies after all.

          1. I think it’s spelled “womyn”.

      2. The Sci-Fi community must be angry to have “speculum” annexed into gyno vocabulary. I have visions of the sighter located on top of Hans Solo’s blaster as being “speculum” material.

    7. What the market will bare, Vannewoman.

    8. And we forced the other people to come to us at gunpoint?

  11. Ron’s really going to alienate a lot of voters by wrapping new babies in an American flag. Doesn’t he keep towels or blankets in his office?

    1. Flags are actually 29.42% more effective at swaddling newborns compared to a typical terrycloth towel, and upto 76% more effective than a wool blanket.

      1. Re: wylie,

        You keep way too much information in your head…

        1. ass, head, whichever.

      2. Four-tee percent of all people know that.

      3. oh, and for anyone wondering why it’s the American flag, when any design would work as well for swaddling newborns: economies of scale. You can buy a box of 100 sterilized American Swaddling Flags for less than $15. Try finding State flags at that price.

        1. I’ve gotten confederate flags in Montgomery for $22/box. Sometimes the variety is worth the extra seven bucks, if not the photo ops.

    2. Swaddeling a baby in the American flag has been clincally proven to result in a 72% less chance of that baby turning into a statist drone.

  12. . twenty years .

  13. I’m not a fan of the graphic. Paul looks like he is thinking about the time he got really high and put a baby that looked just like the one he is holding into a microwave.

  14. And in all those 20 years, we never accepted one penny of federal money. We saw all those patients for free, delivered their babies for free, did their surgeries free; whatever they needed we did, and we didn’t charge them.”

    Fucking cost-shifting- how does it work?

    1. While it is likely that some of the cost got shifted to patients that could afford to pay their bills (in cash or through insurance), you’re ignoring the cost savings that come from not filling out federal paperwork to recieve federal payments as well as ingoring the possibility that the two doctors may simply have chosen to accept lower income and profits from the business.

      1. the possibility that the two doctors may simply have chosen to accept lower income and profits from the business.

        Well, we know that happened.

        1. The article made it clear that his partner was concerned about this at first and apparently Paul didnt say, “cost shifting makes it up”.

        2. If the paying customer is willing to pay X instead of Y (where X = Y + cost shifted dollars), then you should be charging them X even without cost shifting.

    2. FYI, unless you have a monopoly you can’t just cost-shift to other patients. All your competitors are still charging the same amount. If you can “cost-shift,” it means your prices were too low in the first place.

  15. What? Does he not deliver Mexican babies? Fucking racist!

    1. If he delivered them, then they are anchorbabeez and the flag is appropriate. QED, bitches.

      1. Sorry, no delivery over 3 mile.

  16. Over the past 10 years, more than 20,000 American children are believed to have been killed in their own homes by family members. That is nearly four times the number of US soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    The child maltreatment death rate in the US is triple Canada’s and 11 times that of Italy. Millions of children are reported as abused and neglected every year. Why is that? http://bit.ly/opbw5C

    Lack of federal funding.

    1. Possibly due to a culture that views children as disposable non persons.

      1. All persons are equally usable and disposable in American culture. Ron Paul thinks the Catholic Church will step into the care-taking vacuum left by our malignant health care system and that good Samaritans and charities will do the rest. Kind of like Haiti.

        1. As a Catholic and a member of the Knights of Columbus, yes, we will step in and help. Feel free to join us.

          1. I’m not Catholic but that didn’t stop the long arm of the Church pedos from destroying my life. No one helped me, even after I begged for assistance.

            1. That is horrible. There is a special place in Hell for the abusers and their enablers. If I end up in Hell, I would like to spend eternity kicking their heads in. But don’t be a liberal because of them.

              1. Why the Hell would you believe anything that parasite has to say?

    2. Re: Goddamned Liar,

      The child maltreatment death rate in the US is triple Canada’s and 11 times that of Italy. Millions of children are reported as abused and neglected every year. Why is that? http://bit.ly/opbw5C

      Lack of federal funding.

      No, excess Welfarism. People having children just for the checks. You have similar child abuse cases in the UK where the welfare system is even more liberal than in the U.S.

      http://www.nspcc.org.uk/Inform…..48740.html

      So it’s actually an excess of federal funding that exacerbates the problem, not a lack thereof.

      1. Exactly. My wife worked in a state disability determination program, and nearly lost her mind. People who couldn’t raise a dandelion were cranking out babies and collecting every gov’t check they could find. The children were left to raise themselves.

      2. ^^This^^
        I get so fucking tired of liberals telling me that welfare payments are so paltry that “nobody would have a baby just to get a welfare check.” They clearly don’t live in my hood, and have never met a job-challenged teenage girl who wants her own apartment.

        1. I get so fucking tired of liberals telling me that welfare payments are so paltry that “nobody would have a baby just to get a welfare check.

          There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept.

      3. Funny how those abused children don’t end up in prison in large numbers.

        1. Funny how those FATHERLESS children don’t end up in prison in large numbers.

          FIFY

          1. Lots of fatherless kids in the UK, just not the same healthcare or prison industrial complex standing ready to use and abuse them.

            1. You’re baiting the wrong folks there. Most people in this forum are against the prison industrial complex AND against the healthcare industrial complex as it exists currently.

              1. He (or, possibly rather) doesn’t give a shit. He (or, possibly rather) is only here to torment those who allow themselves to be tormented.

              2. Libertarians are against corporatism and making a profit? When caring or containing humans is managed by corporations needing to make a profit, abuse is a predictable outcome.

                1. Re: Goddamned liar,

                  When caring or containing humans is managed by corporations needing to make a profit, abuse is a predictable outcome.

                  That would make Vet hospitals the most caring places in the world.

                2. Yes, abusing your customers is the best way to ensure a profit in a competitive system.

                  1. For more information see Flix, Net.

                3. Libertarians are against corporatism and making a profit?

                  The two are mutually exclusive.

        2. more than 20,000 American children are believed to have been killed

          I find it hard to imagine these children would end up in prison. Or were you discussing other children?

        3. Why should they? Is it illegal to be abused?

  17. “One day I walked into an operating room and they did a hysterotomy, which is a cesarean section, lifted out a baby that was crying and breathing, and put it in a bucket in the corner of the room, and let it die, and pretended nobody heard it,” he told the audience.

    What happened to “Never Again”? This is the highest sacrement the Left holds.

    1. You mean he didn’t run over to resuscitate and adopt the poor thing? Babies are parasites; I guess he didn’t want one at *his* house.

      1. Does your caretaker know you’re on the internet?

      2. “Babies are parasites…”

        Damn.

        1. The left isn’t known as the culture of death for nothing.

        2. Reality: babies are physiological, physical and psychological parasites. Not everyone can tolerate one.

          1. At least, that is what your mommy told you.

          2. Functionally, they’re symbiotes, unless you think an organism gains no benefit from another organism propagating part of its DNA.

            1. Functionally, they’re symbiotes, unless you think an organism gains no benefit from another organism propagating part of its DNA.

              They are offspring, progeny, and every other term that denotes the product of sexual reproduction. It is nonsensical to define the offspring of a species with terms that denote a completely different species that adapted to exist on or at the expense of another species. The use of “parasite” simply shows the level of intellectual dishonesty people will achieve to push their agenda.

  18. you’re ignoring the cost savings that come from not filling out federal paperwork to recieve federal payments as well as ingoring the possibility that the two doctors may simply have chosen to accept lower income and profits from the business.

    You’re right. I’m also ignoring the real marginal cost of doing exams in-house, which is substantially less than what would be billed.

    I assume the hospital charged (Medicare, or whomever) for services at delivery, even if Dr Paul did not.

    1. Right, the marginal cost so see a poor patient in addition to a large number of not-poor patients would be quite small. And the delivery of babies would be a pure labor write-off.

      So saying they treated poor patients for “free” is substantially true.

    2. Yes, and they charged $10 for an aspirin.

      1. And this is relevant because…?

        1. The hospitals overcharge to make up for the poor unwashed detritus of society that uses Medicare.

          1. And this is relevant because…?

            (Remember. We were talking about Dr. Paul and his association with Medicare, hospitals and poor people.)

  19. I can dig the “no federal money” part.

  20. Does he not deliver Mexican babies?

    He does, but he just puts them in cardboard boxes with some wood shavings in the bottom.

  21. I wonder how long it will be before Kathleen Sibelius sends in an armed strike team to “examine” the practice’s books.

  22. Wow – respeck

    /Ali G

  23. I like how the libs attack Dr. Paul’s obviously generous practices with tight, accurate research. Go get em, libs!

    1. You haven’t worked in many hospitals, have you?

      1. You haven’t used many brain cells, have you?

  24. The stupid is strong this morning; this thread is an argument for abortion

    1. And no explanation for this comment forthcoming! Such is the interest in intellectual discourse that rather chooses to show.

  25. Here’s a good use for federal funds: supporting incompetent psychopaths who refuse to learn proper restraint techniques and deny accountability for lethal events… Suspect in Calif. Officer Shooting Dies in Custody – Officer.com http://bit.ly/uC224U

  26. I have to ask; how long would a Hit & Run comment thread be if it stayed on topic?

  27. The last thing this country needs is a gynecologist. We need a proctologist, and I am the man with the plan, the experience, and the focus. Vote for me. Vote for Texas.

  28. The Medicare-patient part of the practice was probably not burdensome.

    Well done on the Medicaid-patient part, tho.

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