OK Sports Fans (Read: Taxpayers): Are the Bengals and Reds Worth a Billion Dollars?
The Wall Street Journal lays out the grim reality of just how much Hamilton County, Ohio, home to football's Bengals and baseball's Reds, shelled out to keep those team's owners fat and happy:
At its completion in 2000, Paul Brown Stadium [where the Bengals play] had soared over its $280 million budget—and the fiscal finger-pointing had already begun.
The county says the final cost was $454 million. The team's estimate, which doesn't include infrastructure work around the stadium, puts the tab at $350 million.
But according to research by Judith Grant Long, a Harvard University professor who studies stadium finance, the cost to the public was closer to $555 million once other expenditures, such as special elevated parking structures, are factored in. No other NFL stadium had ever received that much public financing.
Add to that at least another $280 million in public financing for the Reds stadium. Needless to say, the taxpayers get virtually no cash flow from the stadiums.
That's a lot of tax dough anywhere but especially in an area in which, the WSJ reports, "one in seven people lives beneath the poverty line and budget cuts have left gaps in the schools and sheriffs department." Up next is a rollback of a property tax rebate that was used to get voters to support the financing of Paul Brown Stadium. To put it bluntly, the voters in Hamilton County were suckers: They voted for temporary tax breaks and long-term debt obligation, all for a sort of White Elephant construction that is proven not to increase the size of the local economy.
Is this any way to run a city, county, state, nation? And before you answer that, remember that while broke, the city of Cinncinnati is still pushing to build another proven money-suck: an old-timey streetcar.
Back in 2005, Reason reported on a court case pushed by a Hamilton County commissioner that in part charged the Bengals with breach of contract because they hadn't fielded a competitive team. Sadly, the Bengals had a couple of strong seasons…
A few days ago, we posted a must-watch video that asked whether you'd be willing to give up the Internet for a million dollars.
Let's revise that a bit and ask: Would you give up your sports franchises for a billion dollars? Hamilton County taxpayers are already on the hook but kids, don't let this happen to you.
Your tax dollars at work (awful taxpayer-subsidized team mascot edition):
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MY EYES!
Would you give up your sports franchises for a billion dollars?
Do I get the billion dollars? If so, I will give up the Reds, then immediately rebuy them as an expansion team and pocket the difference.
If we're talking about me getting a billion dollars, I'd give up sports watching altogether.
Also **I** dont own a sports franchise, so the question is moot.
Would you give up your sports franchises for a billion dollars?
No Lastros, Texanns, or Rickets AND a billion dollars? Where do I sign up?
Hey now. The Rodeo plus Texans could probably pay for Reliant if they had to. The Lastros should be relegated to triple A anyhow.
I keep meaning to call Pallilo and ask him how he thinks the current Disastros roster, in its entirety, would do in triple A.
Still wouldn't have the pitching to contend on a nightly basis.
But, but, but...you mean parking fees and concession won't cover the costs?! Oh well, an NFL lockout or shortened season should make the finances look even better this year.
You're forgetting about all of the externalities.
And the multiplier effect. Don't forget the multiplier effect. Sending five dollars at a game is like spending a hundred dollars anywhere else.
It's funny that they talk about the multiplier the same time they've put an assload of new regs on lenders.
They stop people with money from lending it, and then wonder why all the economic activity (and inflation) they're trying to produce don't materialize.
The effect is a bit mysterious. It only seems to work when the money is spent for government infrastructure projects and sports facilities. Money spent loaning to business who make things and create jobs do not create the effect for some reason.
A reminder that internet trolls aren't the only trolls out there.
WTF is that? It looks like a gay neanderthal that grew up in 1970's West Hollywood.
Yup, he looks remarkably like Shrek in that photo.
Oh, shit. I knew he looked familiar.
Now I feel less embarrassed about Wally the Green Monster.
And by the way, both the Bengals and Reds suck.
Can the Cavs honorarily suck for all of Ohio?
Sorry, but as sad as this sounds, the Cavs are the most successful sports franchise in the state of Ohio.
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Budget cuts have left gaps in the schools...
There shouldn't be any public schools!
...and sheriffs department
There shouldn't be a sheriff's department!
"Would You Give Up the Internet for the Bengals and the Reds?"
For the Reds yes. But not if I have to take the Bungles too.
I seem to have misplaced one of my socks.
I may look happy, but I'm dead inside.
iam pridem, ex quo suffragia nulli / uendimus, effudit curas; nam qui dabat olim / imperium, fasces, legiones, omnia, nunc se / continet atque duas tantum res anxius optat, / panem et circenses.
No.
Never mind, you asked "sports fans."
Off to other threads.
I actually would go to a game if they still wore that uniform
That picture was bad enough. Now you really fucked me up with that image.
Thanks.
OMG, did I make you gay again? 😉
If you are gay that picture might be enough to make you go straight.
It's Ohio. What else do they have going for them except the fact that they don't have the city of Detroit and OSU, which is a cluster fuck atm.
that pic of pete rose killed my appetite for the day. thanks for helping me control my weight
Does this explain why the Cincinnati airport is located in Kentucky?
Flying from Cincy to Louisville is loltastic. The runways almost touch*.
It can be faster, depending where in Louisville you are going, to drive from the Cincy airport.
Actual iternerary:
Madison, WI->Cincy, American Eagle prop plane in an ice storm. Not fun.
Cincy->Louisville, 737. Overkill.
*Note for Tulpa, this isnt even remotely literally true.
He'd believe it if a cop told him.
But think of the civic pride! And where would politicians go to hobnob with their contributors?
Why is Pete Rose wearing his underwear over top of his mohair pajamas in that picture?
I think those rumors that Pete Rose juiced can be put to rest.
This is a common issue around the Country, where local government and team owners found loopholes to get taxpayers to pay for stadium building with NO payback down the road- often with no voter approval necessary. . It's a scam, it's shameful, but they don't care. Stadiums named after corporations? Should be named after taxpaers. Extremely expensive tix and access to VIP rooms should be heavily discounted for taxpayers. But not the case. Only way to fix it is to stop going to the games.
Clearly that Rose pic is photoshoppped. That's Charles Nelson Reilly's body.
Stadiums named after corporations? Should be named after taxpaers.
Dumbfuck Stadium; it has a nice ring to it.
+10 and a winner!
In related news, Nassau County is flat broke, and they're asking for 400 million to build a stadium for Charles Wang's Islanders. This is a hockey team that has lost 20 percent of its value since Charles Wang purchased it and only outdraws the bankrupt Phoenix Coyotes.
But yeah, they'll pay it back. The pitch is being lead by County Executive Mangano, who ran as a "Tax Revolt" candidate.
The Bengals were fun to watch 20 yrs. ago with the attack huddle, until the No Fun League outlawed it, along with the Vikings' overstocked-huddle defense.
I like the Reds mascot.
You can have the Padres for 10,000 and the Chargers for free.
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