Was John Edwards Indicted for Violating the Seventh Commandment?
Blogging at Forbes, Reason contributor Harvey Silverglate criticizes the federal indictment of former North Carolina senator John Edwards, the Democrats' vice presidential nominee in 2004:
Edwards violated the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971, the government alleges, by encouraging two wealthy supporters to fork over more than $900,000 that was used to cover up his affair with a campaign aide who bore him a child.
The charge is, in essence, that Edwards violated the Seventh Commandment…It is dressed up, however, in the language of one of those many federal criminal statutes that are vague enough to cover a vast swath of human conduct—some innocuous, some distasteful. But when going by the letter of the law, no reasonable person would conclude that a federal crime had been committed.
The indictment portrays the $900,000, which Edwards used to pay for his mistress's travel, medical, and living expenses, as illegal campaign contributions. That definition, in turn, hinges on the judgment that Edwards covered up the affair and the resulting baby not to keep the truth from his wife and children but to protect his presidential prospects:
The indictment frames Edwards' wife and kids as being of zero concern in comparison to his political career. Perhaps his motives were mixed. But for prosecutors to say that "beyond a reasonable doubt" the candidate lied and engaged in the coverup for political rather than personal reasons assumes an insight that neither federal prosecutors, nor anyone else for that matter (including, perhaps, Edwards himself), likely possesses. In such a situation, this indictment becomes nothing more than an opportunity for expansive and ever-malleable federal power to force itself into the most intimate details of a citizen's life and, not so incidentally, advance the careers of ambitious federal prosecutors.
Silverglate notes that "two former FEC commissioners have refused to testify as expert witnesses on behalf of the prosecution." A former FEC chairman, Scott E. Thomas, says the indictment is based on a "novel and misguided theory." In a National Review Online essay, Stephen M. Hoersting, co-founder of the Center for Competitive Politics, also takes a skeptical view of the indictment:
The government's case sinks or soars on the charge that Edwards's desire to hide his mistress would not have existed "irrespective of" his candidacy, the standard that marks the line between campaign use of funds and personal use. But any layman knows that charge isn't true. The desire to hide a mistress would exist whether Edwards was running for president, serving as senator, or trying cases as an attorney.
I commented on the Edwards indictment a few weeks ago. Silverglate warns of the dangers posed by vague federal criminal statutes in the July issue of Reason.
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I don't care what they put him in jail for. The ambulance chaser "channeled" dead kids for cash.
So you have no problem with the government arguing that the Constitution protects government action rather than individual rights...?
I'm with Jesus on this one:
...for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword
Hang the SOB for any vague federal law they can make stick.
Let no unprincipled GOP shill be unturned.
Um... Edwards is an unprincipled Democrat shill, MNG.
But... but... he cares about the children, which is a universal forgiveness card.
Let no unprincipled GOP shill be unturned.
Oh I hope every GOP asshat is prosecuted to the hilt for vague PATRIOT act violations, and spends years in Gitmo awaiting trial while being waterboarded daily.
This shit swings equally both ways.
If we could hang guilty politicians, they should swing both ways.
Like Larry Craig?
Good start...
But if you guys aren't GOP partisans, then what am I doing here?
Spoof?
What if we don't vote GOP?
Sorry, MNG, but that's just a shrikelike response. You can do better.
Dude, as Paul astutely noted, that was not me.
Seriously. There's not a moral double standard for GOP members. I think mass murder, larceny and the double dip recession requires accountability. It's just really odd to me that the only ones who hang for domestic moral fouls are Democrats. Why are Republican moral reprobates safe? It's so mysterious! They remain around to cheat on their wives again and again. I don't get it. If they fry Edwards; then they should fry everyone equally.
In this specific case, why the hell not?
why the hell not?
Wow.
Shorter Pippie: My hate for liberals is greater than my love for the ruler law.
But who here ever thought Pip was motivated by anything other than adolescent anger?
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Don't look now idiot but I'm arguing for the guy to be prosecuted, D beside his name and all!
It's gotta be heck on those legs getting 'em cut out from under ya like that so much.
Yes, Mister "Run away when I lose the argument" Minge.
You sure are showing your bipartisan side by not defending such a fine upstanding D as Edwards. Truly a heroic moment.
"Mister "Run away when I lose the argument" Minge."
WTF are you crying about now? It might occur to you that some people have to do work and cannot stay and argue for ten hours a day with every thick-headed moron who pops up, so I doubt there's been any 'running away', especially from the likes of you dude.
It is funny to think of you posting one of your usually confused responses to me and when you don't hear back nursing a grudge for days.
"Why won't he come back and argue, why? I guess he just know's he's licked!"
It might occur to you that some people have to do work and cannot stay and argue for ten hours a day with every thick-headed moron who pops up
Coming from you this is hilarious.
I waste too much time here, but this is the third person who recently has been on here bitching that I don't stay and play with them even more!
I waste too much time here
Correct.
this is the third person who recently has been on here bitching that I don't stay and play with them even more!
They're wrong.
Whatever tractor pullz your boat Minge.
You wuss out of every argument around here that you lose, not just mine. You got your ass handed to you by so many different people around here on the Boeing/NLRB issue alone it wasn't even funny anymore, it was just pathetic.
And then you have the audacity to claim you are not a liberal shill by NOT defending one of the biggest liberal douchebags to every breathe oxygen.
Get bent, preferably by a Walmart purchased tractor.
Get this, right-leaning libertarian thinks one of the few liberals who argues with libertarian positions on this blog loses said arguments. When liberal spends two hours debating dozens of libertarians on libertarian blog but eventually goes back to work on project libertarian thinks not only did liberal lose, but that he ran away.
Shocking I know.
Dude, did you get dropped on your head at a tractor pull?
tman=Captain Confirmation Bias!
The really sad part about you Minge is that I think you don't even believe half the liberal shit you defend around here. I think you've actually learned quite a bit about how insane big government proponents can be, and there are moments when it seems as if the light has finally shone through.
But then your wife takes away your nookie of something and you go back to being the standard Liberal troll.
What a waste.
So I'm a shill in one post and the next I don't even believe in it.
I agree with libertarians more than many know, but I don't like facile simplistic arguments even if I don't agree with the gist.
I think what really riles you is live in a world of liberal caricatures and you get mad if I don't live up to your caricature. You want me to play Holmes to your Hannity, nay, from your 'running away' whining you seem to need me to play that role.
tractor pullz your boat
OMFG, where do they do that?! Can you ride on the boat during the pull? How much is admission?
Y'know, MNG, some people who dig tractor pulls also voted for Obama.
They were fools, of course.
For voting for him or for going to tractor pulls?
OK, I have to intervene here. I grew up on a boat, then spent 5 years in the Navy.
Yet I've never pulled a boat with a tractor. That and the use of the term "douchebags" is degrading not to the target, but to the claimant. *** to be fair I've moved and launched boats with trucks, station wagons and four wheel recreational vehicles.
Don't try it with a three wheeler though, there's a reason they don't make them anymore.
Don't look now idiot but I'm arguing for the guy to be prosecuted
It is nice of you to be a consistent liberal. Which is a very rare thing...but i do not think the default libertarian position is to think Edwards should be prosecuted for this.
I know I think he should not be.
That's a bit unfair. Edwards is a total scumbag, regardless of race, creed, political party, or profession.
Personally, I'm not for tossing the rule of law on the bin for this joker or anyone else, but if his fraudulent acts are actionable, I certainly have no issue with him being prosecuted. Frankly, despite the occasional takedown, these politicians get away with too much, too often. When busted they should be removed from office (not an issue here, of course) and prosecuted.
Really Pro, you'd like to see certain people put in jail and you don't care what for?
"Personally, I'm not for tossing the rule of law on the bin for this joker or anyone else, but if his fraudulent acts are actionable. . . ."
Then its not unfair to criticize someone who says "I don't care what they put him in jail for."
The unfair part was making it political. He could just despise the guy for being a complete scumbag. Which he is.
Despise away, but supporting jailing people regardless of whether they've committed any crime because you despise them is the mark of an asshole.
That's not what he said, he said he didn't care what they put him in jail for, which means they put him in jail for something.
Kinda like Al Capone going to jail for tax evasion. They didn't care what he went to jail for
As much as I too despise Edwards for nearly every conceivable trait, I completely disagree with this sentiment. His transgressions have little to do with the incentives that drive people to "chase ambulances", so even hoping this case to strictly be an example making exercise would have no positive effect. We'd be stuck with an atrocious legal precedent, yet ambulance chasing would continue unabated.
The Talmudic and Christian commandments run in slightly different order.
And direction.
The Catholics number them differently from the Talmud and the Protestant Bible.
"The Catholics number them differently from the Talmud and the Protestant Bible." SIV|6.28.11 @ 5:35PM
Catholics and Protestants have different commandments (number sequence), but the U.S. Constitution si easily misred by ether. Hey where are my glasses?
This is all beyond me--campaign finance law, that is--but why wouldn't this be a misappropriation of funds? If I donate money to a political campaign, and the guy buys a new beach house with the money, that seems like it should be actionable to me.
Yeah, you'd think it would be a straight-up Fraud charge.
If he says he's using the beach house as a campaign headquarters...?
I was thinking they can get away with some nonsense with stuff like that, but covering up your politically fatal shenanigans probably doesn't fall into that bucket.
And that's why you don't knock up the help.
I learned THAT lesson!
Did you? Did you?
The rich old biddy who gave him the most money is dead. Otherwise there could be a civil case, but not criminal, under your theory.
Well, leaving my comfort zone even more, there is such a thing as criminal fraud.
Actually, I may be wrong on that. She's 100 and a recluse and I thought she had died, but she may just be in extremely frail health at the moment.
I thought the same thing. Certainly if I give a candidate money I didn't do it with any expectation or understanding he was going to use it to support his mistress.
I'm curious why this wouldn't be some sort of misappropriation or fraud, regardless of the state of campaign finance laws.
"The desire to hide a mistress would exist whether Edwards was running for president, serving as senator, or trying cases as an attorney."
But would the money have been donated to him had he not been running? Was his actual motivation to sheild the campaign? Did he make this explicit to the people that gave him the money?
If he approached them and said "I know you've supported the campaign, if this comes out it is sunk but if you can pay me x I can hide it and protect the campaign" then it is not far-fetched to say this was a donation to the campaign.
This can get fuzzy, but I think he's in fraud land if he spends money meant to support his campaign on personal matters. I admit ignorance, but surely some of these corruption charges various politicians have gone down for have included misappropriation of campaign funds.
Unsurprisingly, the government has been careful to allow money donated to politicians to be legally spent on things other than the campaign itself. For instance, the money I sent to Ron Paul in 2008 (along with money sent by others) was spent on things other than the 2008 presidential campaign. Obviously, that was legal, presumably because it was still being used for political purposes.
But would the money have been donated to him had he not been running?
That was also my initial thought.
Additionally, the concurrent timeline of electoral campaign and misappropriation of campaign funds would imply that he was saving his campaign.
It's not as if Edwards isn't wealthy. Why didn't he simply use his own cash?
Why use his own cash when he could get Bunny Mellon to give him some?
From the indictment it seemed the allegation is that he and a confederate approached someone who offered to help the campaign and got the person to write checks to the confederate who then used them to support the mistress, the person even wrote fake-ass memos to the checks. That sure sounds like a conspiracy to get around the disclosure rules to me.
BTW-the confederate was working on the campaign
The missus would have noticed, methinks
You know, this doesn't sound legal to me. I'm not sure I understand the resistance to prosecuting him for what sounds like a misappropriation of funds, and a little fraud on top of that. It's not about what he was using the money for, it's about his deception to misuse the money.
Again, I say this knowing very little about the facts and, for that matter, about the relevant law.
The objection is because this basically boils down to a thought crime. The determining factor in guilt is whether or not he intended to cover it up from the wife or the voting public, something which cannot be factually determined without an admission from JE.
It has similarities to the allegations against Boeing. The determining factor is not what Boeing is doing in opening a plant in SC, but why.
Intent is central to plenty of crimes, of course, but I get your point--if there's no evidence of malicious intent and the crime in question requires proving such intent, there's no case.
I'm far too ignorant all around here to judge.
I do not think the money was donated to his campaign. That would have been a straightforward claim of failing to report contributions and diversion of camapign funds for personal use.
From what I understand, these were not campaign contributions per se, but monies solicited from friends expressly for the purpose of taking care of the mistress. But the theory is that because Edwards was motivated by a desire not to sink his presidential ambitions, these should have been considered campaign contributions because they supposedly had a campaign-related purpose. That is why it is considered an overreach.
Ah. Well, it still smells of fraud. Might be tax evasion, too, if taxes weren't paid on this "gift."
Well, you can cut through the FUD pretty easily with a simple test:
If Edwards only concern was to keep his indiscretions secreted away from his wife, would his political supporters pony up a million bucks to do so?
Additionally, if they were solely giving a million bucks to his mistress to aid him in his defense of his marriage, would this be a legal gift for Senator Edwards to accept?
Also - unless you are going to argue that the money was not given for Edwards benefit at all (not really plausible), he's also on the hook for taxes that he didn't file. There's also conspiracy to commit a federal crime (or 3). Actually, they are being pretty soft on him by only pursuing the campaign finance angle. That actually appears to be the weakest case.
Whether they have the evidence to back it up is another thing. But if the narrative the feds offer is accurate there's no question that he and his supporters are way, way, way guilty.
his biggest sin was losing.
Justice Scalia has been on a tear against vague laws being unConstitutional, but has been unable to convince enough of his fellows Justices about ACCA. His dissent in Sykes (the fleeing in a vehicle is inherently violent case) was very nice, and then he dissented from denial in four ACCA cases just now, because he really, really thinks that it's unConstitutionally vague.
An interesting case where 1) I hate the scumbag and hope he dies, but 2) this probably is a sham prosecution.
^^THIS
+1.
My understanding of the case:
Somebody else paid the hush money. He knew about it. Somehow the act of knowing that somebody else was doing something perfectly legal with their own money, that he couldn't do with campaign money, means that he committed a crime. I guess once he knew that somebody was going to pay hush money he was obligated to out himself, or make him not pay the hush money somehow?
If it was just straight inapropriate use of campaign money, I guess I can see a fraud case. But even that seems like more of a civil case, and it depends on contributors having a legitamate expectation that a scumbag like Edwards wouldn't pay hush money.
Pretty much. I'm just not OK with using bullshit prosecutions to punish even people I find otherwise reprehensible.
That having been said, I'm positive he has committed other legitimate crimes in his life as a politician. Find one of those and bust him.
Somehow the act of knowing that somebody else was doing something perfectly legal with their own money, that he couldn't do with campaign money, means that he committed a crime.
Except that it's alleged that he 'coordinated' this exchange, which does fall under FEL restrictions.
I think the difference for me is the idea of 'knowing' vs. 'organizing'.
Also, I don't think it is legal to give a million bucks to a Senator's mistress on his behalf. Maybe it happens all the time, but if you can't buy him a Casio watch as a gift I'm not sure you can buy him a million dollar hooker (er, mistress).
Here's the indictment:
http://www.nytimes.com/interac.....f=politics
Interesting. Good find.
I don't really understand the 7th Commandment charge.
You don't have to be thumping a Bible to really dislike lying scumbags. Especially when they're running for president under the agreed terms of Federal Election Law.
If the argument is that FEL is poorly written, then that's a different argument.
As for the indictment, the weakness in the prosecution's case seems to be that the payments were campaign contributions.
Reading the indictment, that actually doesn't seem to be the case - they seem to be payoffs to another individual (although definitely fraudulent), and it doesn't seem to be alleged that the funds crossed through the campaign accounts.
I would add that the actual specific definition of Federal Election Law on Page 3 Paragraph 9 as it pertains to "anything of value provided for the purposes of influencing the presidential election including a)..., b)... and c)... would seem to me to be a legitimate charge, since it's asserted that Edwards coordinated the monetary transaction with his staff and supporters, even though the payments didn't pass through his electoral accounts.
Again, I don't agree with Silvergate (although I often do) that this is a frivolous, religious persecution. Did a presidential candidate secretly coordinate a large amount of money to cover up a scandal in the middle of an election?
If so, that's anything but frivolous.
The seventh commandment is about stealing iirc. The one about putting it in the crazy is #6.
Thou shalt put it in the crazy, or shalt not?
Is there an appendix which gives certain exceptions? Like if her hotness is in direct proportion to her crazy, then all shall be forgiven for lo, there is no man who can resist a hot chick, regardless of how debased her mind?
It's not religion, it's math.
Hotness+Wildinbed is directly proportional to the crazy.
I read the title as "Seventh Amendment" and was wondering when Edwards denied someone a jury trial.
Never mind.
I did the same at first.
Having been involved in campaigns in the past the FEC and (in Colorado) FCPA laws are fucking stupid. And as for what in my mind is a "moral" use of campaign funds it is whatever the candidate chooses to use them for. If you don't like scumbag politicians paying hush money don't donate to them. What is the fucking difference if he spent 900k on poorly designed yard signs and bumper stickers that said Bill the Cat for pres? I am being serious. I am one of those weird ones that think you are responsible for your money and if you choose to GIVE it to a douche that is your thing.
(if he lies to your face/in writing/etc. about NOT using it for mistresses/beach houses/etc. then I see fraud. But an arbitrary use of funds as fraud should AT MOST be left up to a civil proceeding)
What do you call a dwarf fortune-teller on the run from the law? A small medium at-large!
damnit that is funny
That joke is so dumb, yet I laughed outloud for two minutes and immediately emailed it to several friends.
...the candidate lied and engaged in the coverup for political rather than personal reasons...
This seems backwards. If supporters made campaign contributions, and the candidate spent the money for the purely political reason of protecting his image among voters, there would seem to be no fraud committed. If the candidate spent the money for the purely personal reason of hiding his affair from his wife, the supporters making the contribution could rightly feel that they had been deceived.
The indictment portrays the $900,000, which Edwards used to pay for his mistress's travel, medical, and living expenses, as illegal campaign contributions.
At the least, it is a tax-fraud issue. The mistress didn't pay income taxes, neither did Edwards on this 'income'/'gift'.
The dog was too cheap to pay for his own philandering which makes me suspicious he's played with the campaign books/tax agreements.
I love your naivet? over the "two former FEC commissioners have refused to testify as expert witnesses. Yes, it could mean they don't agree with the case, it could be for unrelated to the cause at hand, or it could also be a character issue on their part....let me think, what else? Hmm, men have dicks and ergo no discretion...
The other issue, not commented on in this thread, is the vast amount of money involved. Why in hell does it take $900,000 to provide for a mistress for a year or two? Did she need her own private jets and hotel floors? The amount involved makes the whole thing fishy to me. I'm thinking "it was just for my mistress" is a fallback cover story to make it sound like this was "just about sex," when it really was for more than that.
John Edwards will escape; because the case is so weak against him, the underlying legal theory is so out there, and he's a goddamned shark who knows how to work the chum-and-baitball business, even when he's the baitball.
Much as I hate the guy he will getaway. And by nature of saving his own miserable...'skin' isn't quite accurate for this critter...he will at least leave piece of good caselaw behind next time some prosecutor goes for someone who:
a) Doesn't deserve molten-iron enema from the Gov.
b) is not multimillionaire lawyer who can fight prosecutors off.
Seriously, aside from that potential value he's nothing more than a carbon-credit waiting to happen. Just subhuman piece of shit, god I can't stand characters like that.
That definition, in turn, hinges on the judgment that Edwards covered up the affair and the resulting baby not to keep the truth from his wife and children but to protect his presidential prospects:
I'm pretty sure she already knew. I can't recall the details, but the timing on all this was after she at least knew about the mistress, if not the bastard.
Besides, who doesn't think Edwards would put himself above his family? Didn't he already do that when he fathered a child on this bimbo?
You can't, of course, evade the restricions on campaign donations by doing spending money to advance the campaign outside of the campaign fund. If the money had been spent to, I dunno, pay some third-party cutout to stage demonstrations outside your opponent's rallies, that would pretty clearly be a violation.
Would this have been done absent the campaign? I really don't think so. So it was done to advance the campaign. I think its probably a legit case, given current law.
Which is, of course, completely unconstitutional.
Would this have been done absent the campaign? I really don't think so.
I agree. Could Edwards' refusal to pay for the philandering himself also have been an attempt to avoid personal FEC disclosure? If so, that's directly related to the campaign, as such disclosure requirements wouldn't have been in place had he not been running.
Again, FEC law might suck, but Edwards signed on to run - and since he's a lawyer, I have no sympathy for failure to understand legal limits.
I agree. Could Edwards' refusal to pay for the philandering himself also have been an attempt to avoid personal FEC disclosure? If so, that's directly related to the campaign, as such disclosure requirements wouldn't have been in place had he not been running.
John Edwards was hen-pecked by his wife. Doesn't justify why he did what he did but explains why he couldn't so much as withdraw $1 from his own bank accounts without needing the equivalent of a Dr.'s note for his Mother Hen.
He needed Bunny Mellon to cut him checks so he could hide it from his wife straight-up. And that's his defense too, especially with the Hell Hen feeding worms conveniently.
Anything truly incriminating died with Fred Baron and that's the way it is.
He needed Bunny Mellon to cut him checks so he could hide it from his wife straight-up.
And the FEC, if he had to disclose his expenses.
There's also hearsay that she knew about the affair as well.
If Edwards cut Crazy Breeder checks from his own funds, it would just be drawn on his personal account for a 'personal expense' and that would be that.
The whole reason he's in trouble is because he had to invoke politics - not with fellow shyster Fred Baron - but senile Bunny Mellon to get the money without his wife seeing the 'DING' pop-up in Quickbooks or whatever.
Politics being involved is because Edwards had to hide this shit from his wife. Obviously, hiding it from the electorate was important too but that will be legally irrelevant to his defense. I can already see it coming.
Politics being involved is because Edwards had to hide this shit from his wife.
Not if it the rumors that his wife knew are vindicated.
Besides, let's say that Edwards had robbed a bank to get the funds so that he could hide the affair from his wife. Would that be OK? After all, he didn't really need the money.
Also, a multimillionaire lawyer with his own firm who is running for president of the US doesn't have the capability of disguising large money expenditures, especially with the help of his staff?
Your ability to give Edwards a pass is breathtaking.
I don't want to give Edwards a pass whatsoever. But I'm thinking about his case from legal perspective.
And the dumbass did hide large expenditures with the help of lawyer buddies as you allege. The co-conspirator in that was a man named Fred Baron (who also died of cancer) and when he was incapacitated that's when Edwards became sloppy.
And robbing a bank is a crime. This is world of campaign finance law, where the intent of why-are-you-spending-money, not its source, is the question. Robbing a bank is the source, rhetorically what you say about banks above doesn't mean anything relevant here.
And to answer your question below regarding your incredulity that an allegedly smart, controlling wife could be duped like that...dude you aren't married are you? Or much of anything else going on. Obviously un-Honorable Weiner can have a whole on-line persona-of-a-pervert and get away with it from everyone for years.
Mark Sanford was getting it on with some spicy firecracker in fucking Argentina while his former-Wall Street hedge-fund exec wife was in the dark, thought he was hiking somewhere.
Don't even need to go over Bill Clinton's mess with his Ivy League-educated superlawyer wife.
Eliot Spitzer anyone? His wife isn't a retard either, and very good with the books.
None of those characters I just mentioned could put a million bucks through their personal financial machines without having to tell the wife about it. That is Johnny's defense and it will work, whether you or I want it to work.
This isn't about what we want to happen, its about what WILL happen and as legal question your arguments and assertions would get smoked in this case by the paralegals working for the sharks that will be involved here.
None of those characters I just mentioned could put a million bucks through their personal financial machines without having to tell the wife about it.
1) You have no evidence that his wife didn't know about it - only repeated protestations of that being a certainty.
2) The Edwards family is very wealthy, and he has a staff. Where are you getting the information that the late Mrs. Edwards, suffering from cancer treatments, ran all the finances of the firm and personal transactions? You act as though that is a given - evidence?
You act as though all of these expenses, since they were made in large chunks (during an election - which backs up my assertion) would therefore have to be made in large chunks (1M) instead of a group of fake purchases or contracts by the law firm, when you have no proof that's the case.
Your story is airtight because you wish it to be airtight. Edwards has a problem with a violation of Election Law - he allowed friends to donate money on his behalf during an election - a lot of money - for something that even you admit is a personal problem. The reasoning doesn't matter.
I'll give you one thing - much of the trial will depend on whether Edwards has continued to maintain political support. If, after the Wiener fiasco, the Dems wish to distance themselves from the likes of Edwards, then he may have more trouble than you'd believe.
If I take a millions bucks from my friend to hide my mistress, it is not illegal outside of tax considerations to save my public reputation (something in legal perspective worth exploring, Edwards' defense could box him into those potentials) that is not illegal.
If my public reputation is tied around political activities and offices, or the seeking of such, it doesn't change nature of transaction I just outlined. It is valid legal defense and it will work, all the principals who could blow that up are either self-interested in status quo (psycho-moocher baby momma), dead (Baron and Lizzy) or barely-there partisans (Mellon).
That leaves only Andrew Young left. And important point with him is who was paying him (what organization). If he was on Edwards campaign payroll while he was taking the fall out in Santa Barbara, that is problematic for Edwards (and, technically, co-conspirator Young at that point).
And that million bucks was not doled out in one fell swoop. Some of it was car payments, rent payments...money showing up in pastry boxes (I'm not making that up) over many moons...I think nearly a years. As long as it takes a kid to gestate + six months. And Crazy Lady Edwards was very much a controlling, pinch-pennies cheapskate in her own dealings.
I don't have page numbers and what not, but you can find that info and more in either The Politician and Game Changer if you want to look it up and corroborate what I say here.
This is world of campaign finance law, where the intent of why-are-you-spending-money, not its source, is the question.
Edwards better hope he has evidence of very large, secret donations to help him with personal problems that occurred when he wasn't running, or his goose is cooked.
One other thing - The wife is supposedly really, really sharp - sharp enough that she takes care of the financial books while stricken with Cancer, and hawk eyed to notice any odd transactions in the noise of a presidential campaign.
And yet she's too dumb to notice that her husband's cheating?
I'd be John Edwards' baby-momma any day.
Get in line, bitch.
Externalities!
ARFARFARFARFARFARFARF
The one who strikes me as having been punished for violating the 11th Commandment is Blagoevich. All he did was make explicit what all political analysts assume -- and most would recommend -- goes on but not in so many words. Everyone knows that in politics you get things done by trading favors, but apparently you just can't say what favors you're trading.
It is and should be illegal. The fact that the assholes do it and get away with it doesn't mean they shouldn't burn when they get caught.
As far as keeping office goes (prosecution is a different matter), I'm in keeping with Caesar: "Caesar's wife must be above suspicion." They should be out of office pretty much if there's more indication than not that they are corrupt. Holding political office is a privilege, not a right.
This wasn't trading favors, it was bribery. Conditioning an act of one's office on a monetary transfer.
Right! And when big campaign contributers get ambassadorships, that's just plain good governance. How else are you going to pick appropriately connected and trusted people for the job!
Are we seriously supposed to think those people coughed up 900000 to silence the mistress of a presidential candidate because they were worried about the wife finding out? Or that Edwards didn't solicit the money at least partially to save his career?
I mean, c'mon. I'm not seeing this as a huge stretch.
Me neither. As I botch-posted elsewhere:
Also, the prosecutors don't have to prove that his motives were 100% political. Only that they were in part political. Again, that won't be hard to do.
I refuse to believe that he could have gotten anyone to spend almost a million dollars to cover up his affair for him if they weren't supporting his campaign.
He's a career politician. Therefore if his attempt was to protect his reputation...
Soooo...
According to Game of Thrones nomenclature what should the last name of Edward's bastard be?
Silk?
SweetTea
Edwards just couldn't dance around the law like this guy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srfcx5B8ktI
Given that Edwards comes from the party of Vague Federal Statutes AND is a booster of all things campaign finance reform, fuck him sideways.
Let them choke on their own poison gases.
"Given that Edwards comes from the party of Vague Federal Statutes AND is a booster of all things campaign finance reform, fuck him sideways."
Yes. By someone else.
"Let them choke on their own poison gases."
No, because once it's done, it'll be done to others.
No, because once it's done, it'll be done to others.
It's already being done to us. It's only when it gets done to them that they begin to think that maybe the statutes are too vague.
Disagreed.
McCain didn't learn how stupid McCain-Feingold is running for office, and those who pitch this crap won't learn from the public hanging of this sleaze-bag.
Even if it means Edwards walks, stop it ASAP.
But McCain DID know he and Feingold were reaming the Constitution with their fucktarded incumbent politician protection racket...
We just haven't gotten McCain yet on CFR violations. I'm still biding my time on that.
I think the right eyes on the right reports could probably find something to charge him with.
We can only hope. McCain and anyone who thinks like him, deserve SOME kind of punishment.
It sounds to me like he was indicted for bearing false witness, not for adultery.
I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.
Once, just once I'd like to see a politician in these circumstances stand up, admit that the federal statutes are too vague, recant any support they ever had for such laws AND philosophies, and then spend the rest of their lives working to get them repealed, all the while admitting that it was their prosecution that made them see the light.
I could actually support that.
Like that's gonna happen... nice idea, though.
And I'd want tears and goveling. The full boat. Then, after he kissed my ring, I might consider a pardon.
Those tears better be sweet, motherfucker! Now... it puts the lotion on its skin...
*NOW* we're talking!
There are two Americas:
One where spoiled rich bastards like me get away with shit you poor, uneducated voters can't even DREAM of... and the other half.
Sing it, brother.
Yep.
I fully disagree with one of the author's key premises. The question that should be considered is not whether John Edwards would have tried to cover up the affair if he was not running for office, the question we must consider is whether the two wealthy supports would have ponied up the $900K if Edwards was not running for office.
I think we all know the answer to that question.
Yeah, I give a million bucks to my friends who aren't Senators running for VP all the time. For all sorts of things. Mistresses, coke habits, foot fetishes.... whatever they need covering up. That's just how we roll.
...it's the seriousness of the charge?
In another article on the indictment, the author showed that the prosecution included notes from the donors in which they remarked they were using cash because it was less traceable. One of the envelopes was marked as a gift for furniture, even though bunny mellon knew it was going to support the mistress.
I won't be disappointed if Edwards beats the rap on his legal theory, but the evidence of guilty intent in the parties actions reveals that they weren't entirely surprised that they could get charged.
Keep Dope Alive....
And, this guy is a DOPE!!!
We are, effectively, bring this guy up on some J-Walk'n charge.
Don't everyone do dis ?
What the fuck happened to Alice?
I'm certainly sympathetic to the notion that the government could be overreaching here, but basically to say so you have to argue that there's a right way and a wrong way to secretly spend a million bucks to the personal benefit of a presidential candidate, and the right way involves paying his mistress to keep things quiet.
Somehow I have a hard time seeing this as not being bribery and blackmail rolled into one, and worse so than if I gave $1,001 in a reported contribution.
@Pip, you ignorant slut. Edwards wealth came from being suing manufacturers that not produced dangerous items, but also FAILED TO CORRECT THE DANGEROUS ITEMS once they were identified. What incentive did those manufacturers have to fix their faulty products? Until it cost them millions of dollars, apparently they had no incentive to fix them.
For example, one of the lawsuits Edwards won for his clients concerned pool drains that sucked kids into them, causing the kid to become trapped. The pool manufacturer was told of the design flaw many times, but did not correct it. After they lost a $4million lawsuit, they amazingly corrected the problem.
Edwards is a cad, a first class cad. But to cheer his problems because he had the audacity to protect children? For that, you are a fool.
A little Commandment humor, from Patrick O'Brian's "Post Captain." In the following scene, which is part of an extended homage to Jane Austen, the local women are questioning a retired admiral about Jack Aubrey, the young wealthy naval Captain who has rented a home in the country.
"So he is not quite the thing, sir?" asked Cecilia.
"Why no, my dear, he is not. Not at all the thing, they tell me. Dashing he may be! indeed, he is; but disciplined ? pah! That is the trouble with so many of your young fellows, and it will never do in the service- will never do for St Vincent. Many complaints about his lack of discipline independence ? disobeying orders. No future in the service for that kind of officer, above all with St Vincent at the Admiralty. And then I fear he may not attend to the fifth commandment quite as he should."
The girls' faces took on an inward look as they privately ran over the Decalogue: in order of intelligence a little frown appeared on each as its owner reached the part about Sunday travelling, and then cleared as they carried on to the commandment the Admiral had certainly intended.