Pennsylvania's State Liquor Monopoly Continues to Make the Case for Privatization
The Wegmans supermarket chain has had it with the Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board's ridiculous "wine kiosks," a vivid symbol of the state monopoly's inept attempt to ward off privatization by operating more like a private business. The Philadelphia Inquirer reports that Wegmans has asked the PLCB to take back its machines, which dispense a limited selection of wines at limited locations and times to customers who present ID, look into a camera monitored by a state employee, breathe into a blood-alcohol meter, and swipe a credit card. As the Inquirer notes, the machines are notorious for failing to deliver the promised vino, and last year all 32 of them were taken offline for repairs "smack in the middle of the Christmas holiday booze rush." Wegmans, which has 10 of the kiosks (a third of the total) in its stores, explains its decision this way:
We had hoped that our customers would find the kiosks to be a valuable addition to their shopping experience, but that proved not to be the case….The kiosks have not realized their potential, and in some ways have been detrimental to our stores.
A PLCB spokeswoman nevertheless insists (presumably with a straight face) that "our focus is the customer" and "we want to make sure we are doing things that people will embrace." As I argued in a column a few months ago, the focus of state-run liquor monopolies is decidedly not the customer, not only because they face no competition but because their whole reason for existing is to make buying alcoholic beverages more of a pain the ass than it needs to be. Hence these bizarre wine contraptions, which the PLCB presents as a consumer-friendly innovation but which are incomprehensible outside a system in which the government insists on getting between adults and their booze.
The wine kiosk fiasco can only strengthen support for privatization, which is backed by Gov. Tom Corbett and House Majority Leader Mike Turzai (R-Allegheny).
In January I noted Wegmans' end run around Pennsylvania's idiotic restrictions on beer sales.
[Thanks to Max Minkoff for the tip.]
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End run? They got a license from the PALCB
At least people in Pennsylvania know the answer to the age old question "who do I have to blow to get a drink around here?"
fucking thread winner right there baby.
you forgot to add this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI
Pennsylvania seems to be especially bad among states with state liquor monopolies. I NH, the liquor stores seem to exist to make money for the sate far more than to make it more difficult to buy liquor. And the prices are good.
Obviously it is not the ideal situation by a long shot, but I would rather have state liquor stores like in NH that a state income or sales tax.
If I spend $30 on gas and tolls to spend $60 at the NH package store, I come home with more booze than I could buy with $90 in ME.
Go to one of the Yankee Spirits in Mass. Amazing prices. Though I suppose that's a schlep from Maine unless you're in southern Maine.
Checked the link and I don't see it being much different from the NH prices.
ME sucks. A bottle that costs $19 here costs $11 in NH. If I buy six of them in NH I save money even after gas and tolls. It's a joke.
While I'm at it I combine any other shopping so I don't pay sales tax.
ME sucks.
That's why I live in NH now.
Yankee Spirits is pretty great. Prices are comparable to NH, but selection is wider than most NH stores. They are building a new, much larger liquor store in my town now, though, which promises to have a much wider selection.
I don't think it's intended to make liquor hard to get, it's intended to provide good wages and desirable work hours for the union members.
The kiosks are only hobbled to prevent them from becoming real competition.
Why have Pennsylvanians tolerated this for so long?
Because--like Kentucky--when you get away from the cities, everyone's an idiot.
Hey, I resent that! I grew up in Paducah, and I most assuredly is not an idiot!
Though to be fair, when I moved to Dallas I immediately became 3x more smarter than I was in My Old Kentucky Home.
Henderson represent, yo.
Sug, it ain't the rural people who are holding this up, it's the (largely urban) unions.
Yes, I also believe that is the proximate cause, but they don't call it Pennsultucky for nothing. You get outside the cities and Penn turns into a remarkable imitation of The Bible Belt. And anti-alcohol demographics of rural areas has zip to do with union jobs.
Yes, I'm aware of what my state is like, thanks; I would compare the rural areas more to West Virginia, but maybe Kentucky too, I've never acquainted myself with KY's rural ethos.
In any case, the anti-alky folks aren't nearly strong enough at this point to keep this policy in place.
I mean, the rural areas are what put Corbett in the governor's mansion. Though I suspect that had way more to do with Onorato and Rendell's support for increased taxes on Marcellus shale drilling than anything else.
Philly in the east, Pittsburgh in the West, and Alabama in the middle.
Remind me, SugarFree, was it the cities or the rural areas that voted for Jack Conway over Rand Paul?
From this map of county results versus this county road map it appears Conway won the three big cities, a cluster of counties in the eastern Appalachian region, and lost most everywhere else.
Well at least we don't have state-run liquor stores or toll roads. We just have too many counties for a state our size and many of them are dry counties.
I blew one of those machines a cop stood behind me. I had just brushed my teeth and the fucking thing wouldn't read. It had already taken my money so I blew it again, and again and finally got my $5.99 bottle of merlot.
It's not worth it, I fucking hate those machines.
A cop stood behind you, eh? I predicted this exact scenario last year. You're lucky you didn't get arrested.
Comply!
The wine kiosk fiasco can only strengthen support for privatization, which is backed by Gov. Tom Corbett and House Majority Leader Mike Turzai (R-Allegheny).
And yet it won't happen in your lifetime.
Probably not, but it's at least further than we're along on ending the drug war, where we can't even get serving politicians to be publicly in favor of it.
Allegheny County representin'!
They tried to privatize liquor sales in Virginia and ran smack into a wall. The Republican reps ran away scared when the Democrats put up the least amount of resistance.
scruffy herder of nerds or herder of scruffy nerds?
Nerds cannot be herded.
Nerfs can though.
blurry-eyed engineer can't read anymore
TGIF
That does pose a question: What is a nerf, and why does one herd them? I don't recall seeing one in the films, though with all of that busy CGI, I could've missed it.
I dunno, but Papa Smurf is a Nazi.
http://entertainment.blogs.fox.....test=faces
I thought the Smurfs were Communists?
I saw UN footage of somebody bombing the little blue bastards into next year. I thought they were extinct.
Just one more reason why Wegmans is the greatest grocery store on the planet.
Danny Wegmans daughter owns a 45,000 sq/ft wine/liquor store in western NY. It boasts the largest retail selection of wine and liquor in the United States. I wonder if the PA law messes with the little Princess future business plans?
I do miss Monks' Bread. ::sheds tear::
and the chopped onions and chopped celery in those nice little baggies. There's NOTHING like that in Pgh. Giant Pricetag is teh suck.
Really? That shocking, because there is a Wegmans in Erie.
Erie is a long way to go for bread. (though I have considered it a few times, I confess)
If by Pgh you mean Pittsburgh, than you can shoot east to State College and go to a really nice Wegmans that puts the Erie one to shame. Heck even the Jamestown, NY Wegmans is nicer than the one in Erie.
Either way I'm screwed. Once we moved from western NY to IN and WI we've been stuck with Krogers and Piggly Wiggly. Both are shit holes that wouldn't know gourmet food if you shoved the entire Food Network up their asses. But at least you can get decent beer their. PA is way behind the times, but I hear Walker in WI is trying to screw over the micro-brews by limiting their sales in grocery stores. That would add such an additional level of suck to those stores.
Cool, I had no idea they were that far south. I was only familiar (somewhat) with the ones along my move route from Buffalo.
Best thing ever to come out of Rochester. Second best thing out of upstate NY, after air conditioning. Helped make a few years in Ithaca better.
last year all 32 of them were taken offline for repairs "smack in the middle of the Christmas holiday booze rush." Wegmans, which has 10 of the kiosks (a third of the total)
10 is not a third of 32. Even if you round.
Tulpa, take some fucking Midol and go lie down.
Actually, it's almost half.
Commodore, whatever crawled up your ass and died recently, you need to fish it out, because it's making you even bitchier than usual.
It's ten if you drop the decimal.
No, you get 11 if you round.
OH, I see, you're truncating.
I'm a truncator.
Government-- Incapable of producing simple vending machines.
Why can't you buy wine if you are already drunk? I really don't get that at all.
Good question. It is a very silly aspect of liquor laws that everyone has to pretend that alcohol is not primarily used as an intoxicant.
Pennsylvania (the biggest single purchaser of alcoholic beverages in the world) does not operate State Stores in order to hassle the public. That is just a byproduct, like all of the nice political jobs it also generates.
PA does it to cash in on the huge bulk discount.
The wine kiosk fiasco can only strengthen support for privatization
If by privatization you mean abolishing the PLCB then yes that would be a very worth goal. But if privatization means simply contracting out the state's monopoly to some politically well connected private company then it's hardly worth the effort.
It's not perfect, but the quasi-privatization in South Carolina is a hell of a lot better than the old method.
At least a private company would actually want to take booze buyers' money. Union dipshits get paid whether anything gets sold or not, at least in a government-supported monopoly.
...look into a camera monitored by a state employee, breathe into a blood-alcohol meter...
Breath panels!!!!!
Man I'm just hating fucking government today. This story, the Minnesota clean-up story above, and the Orlando homeless feeding story, just anger producing stupidity.
And then I had my own little taste of it today. Stopped at a gas station to buy a pack of cigs. The owner asked me, a guy who is 54 years old and looks it, for ID. I laughed at him. He said one of his clerks sold cigs to someone on a sting operation and, as a result of not getting fined, he agreed to ask EVERY single purchaser of cigs for ID. I then pulled out my drivers license, and guess what, it was expired by a month. (In Washington your license is good for five years.) He told me he could not sell me the cigs because the expired license was not a legal form of ID (per the state of dickhead Washington). Stupidity, thy name is government.
Is that correct? An expired license is not an invalid license...anyway, it'd be too much work to look up the law on that one, and what can the guy do? It's not his fault. Stupid.
"I've got it! Let's waste tax money to build bulky machines that take 10 minutes to dispense your alcohol, because, as everybody knows, wheeling a cart down the aisle and seeing the whole selection takes too long."
Better selection of wine in NJ than PA, unfortunately.
fortunately
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