Putting Health Care Cost Inflation In Context
As the debate about overhauling Medicare continues, you'll hear a lot about health care cost inflation and the growing price of medicine over the next few days. But it's useful to understand what that means: Economist Arnold Kling puts health care "cost inflation" in context:
The term "cost inflation" means a pure increase in prices charged for the same services. Some of that takes place. But most of the rise in health care spending reflects increased use of expensive inputs, in particular fancy equipment and medical specialists.
Right. A lot of people seem to be under the impression that health care cost inflation can be understood in the way that we understand the increased price of, say, George Clooney: Back in his early days as a lesser-known TV star, the price of hiring George Clooney was a lot less than it is today now that he's a much more popular movie star. An unlimited commitment to pay for George Clooney's acting gigs would have grown more expensive as a result. But that's not what's happened with Medicare.
Instead, it's as if we made an ongoing commitment to pay all George Clooney-related acting fees—and then discovered that he'd gotten into the business of making billion dollar clones of himself. They're all actors too, some with different specialties and advanced new emotional-manipulation capabilities. Suddenly, George Clooney is doing a lot more, and in many cases doing it better—but at much higher cost.
So it is with Medicare. When the health insurance program for seniors was first designed, health care was a lot less expensive in large part because it was a lot less advanced. As a result, the federal government committed to paying for essentially all of seniors' care, expecting it to remain affordable. It didn't. Now, given the pace at which health spending is growing, that unlimited commitment can't continue.
As Kling says, that leaves relatively few potential responses:
There are always three ways to deal with the increased usage of premium medicine.
a) have government experts ration medical services
b) give consumers fixed amounts of money based on income and medical condition, and having them make their own decisions
c) tell people that neither (a) nor (b) is necessary
In general, the political debate on both sides of the aisle has revolved around C; currently, you can see a lot of it in the awesomely on-message Democratic responses to Paul Ryan's Medicare proposal. Thanks to Ryan's premium support plan, Democrats are more or less united in accusing Republicans of wanting to, in the words House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer "[end] Medicare as we know it and dismantle Medicaid." It's a broken promise charge. The problem, as Arnold Kling says, is that "there is essentially zero chance that the government will keep its current promises" on Medicare. Thanks to the expansion of premium medicine, the unlimited promise of Medicare as we know it is already on a path toward self destruction. The question for policymakers is how to reform it in response. Thanks to Ryan, Republicans have provided a potential answer.
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How about d) letting peope pay for their own care with their own money, the same way they pay for having their houses painted or their tires installed in their cars?
That might work if they would stop taking money out of my pay check to pay for Medicare so I could put it away in a medical savings account and maybe purchase insurance with it.
Re: WTF,
I feel your pain, bro. That is what pitch forks and tarring and feathering tax collectors are for, but Americans have become too pusillanimous to go back to their tried-and-true traditions...
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Hey ! Only good Progressives and their Union buddies are allowed to take it to the street and get a little bloody.
How much are they taking for Medicare out of your paycheck? No way could I buy insurance with the amount I pay into Medicare a month.
Just sayin.
Exactly the problem.
Or perhaps a symptom to a different problem. People thinking it's wrong to withold expensive care when needed by people without the means to pay for it.
Well, not quite the same.
Might work, except those on Medicare paid in for much of their working lives, and are now going to be told... what? "Sorry, you're on your own now." Unrealistic, and political suicide.
Pat them back, with interest, and shut that fucker down!
Err, pay.
Re: Matrix,
For those that are close enough to start receiving or are already receiving assistance, the program can be kept, but for the rest, they can and should start saving for their future expenses.
The problem caused by the pricing distorsions still remains; 3rd payer systems will have to be modified or scrapped altogether, along with licensing laws and other impediments to competition. Many doctors will not accept this as they invested so much time and money on their formation, but people cannot continue to subsidize their business for much longer.
+1. Im a Gen X'er and just as with Social Security, I'd be OK with writing off what I have paid into the system--it's long gone, never to come back--if they'd let me opt out of the system and provide for my own needs.
That explains why lasik procedures and plastic surgery have been increasing in price, because they're so advanced...
No, wait - NOT!!!!!
Blaming increased technological advances for the increase in cost makes no economic sense. What drives the cost of healthcare is the pricing distortion caused by the 3rd payer system and the artificial restriction in supply caused by licensing laws (and those really stupid, absurd amber bottles - God, I hate them! They're so REGRESSIVE!)
Those procedures have become less expensive over time. But Medicare doesn't just commit to paying for the same set or number of procedures all the time. It commits to paying for lots more procedures, including lots of expensive new procedures too. Think of the auto industry: as features become standard, they become less expensive. But there are always fancy, new features keeping prices high (which are eventually replaced by even newer, fancier features). Medicare is on the hook for basically all of this.
but those 'fancy' new procedures prevent a lot of more expensive issues from developing.
In your car analogy that would be the warning light to change your oil, rotate your tires...
Re: rather,
Give the lady a cigar!
Give the lady a cigar!
Where?
""but those 'fancy' new procedures prevent a lot of more expensive issues from developing.""
Do they? I don't think they do. If they did, costs would be dropping.
"Do they? I don't think they do. If they did, costs would be dropping."
Not necessarily. The fancy new procedures also extend the lifespan so people live long enough to get cancers and terminal degenerative diseases which are very expensive to treat.
The point to some of the new expensive medical devices are to find problems that are expensive to treat too.
Do they? I don't think they do. If they did, costs would be dropping.
Gold brick.
Re: Peter Suderman,
Yes, but that problem stems from spending habits, not with advances in technology and specialist care and whatnot, which your comment seemed to imply: "[...]health care was a lot less expensive in large part because it was a lot less advanced." Advances in technology do not necessarily make services more expensive; in fact, they can make them more affordable for more people.
Understood but, again, that is a problem that stems from spending habits, especially since Medicare acts exactly like a sugar-daddy, not because medicine becomes more expensive as technology advances.
Mr. Suderman (you tool!),
Please report to remedial alt-text training immediately. This is your final notice.
I try not to judge him too harshly on his alt-text quality. I'm currently working on just getting him to have it consistently. Once that's achieved I'll start harassing him on quality.
"But most of the rise in health care spending reflects increased use of expensive inputs, in particular fancy equipment and medical specialists."
Bullshit, ok maybe some. Actually most of the rise in health care spending is due to the fact that the consumer is not aware of the cost of service that they are requesting. It is paid by a third party. If my employer's policy covers physicals, sniffles and toe jam whether I want them or not, guess what? All the employees will get tons of physicals, lots of meds for sniffles and lots of pills to get rid of toe jam.
The argument in the article doesn't hold water, look at the case of TVs. The quality and capability over 30 years has risen dramatically but the price has steadily declined. Why? because you pay for your own fricking TV. If we had TV insurance than everybody would have 52" plasmas.
That's sorta the point of the article. You can buy the same quality TV as you did in the early 80's supercheap, but if everyone buys 60" HD-3D flatscreens, its going to be more expensive.
And, everyone is buying those 60"XXXs for the reason ola states; they're using somebody else's money to do so.
Milton Friedman:
"There are four ways in which you can spend money. You can spend your own money on yourself. When you do that, why then you really watch out what you're doing, and you try to get the most for your money. Then you can spend your own money on somebody else. For example, I buy a birthday present for someone. Well, then I'm not so careful about the content of the present, but I'm very careful about the cost. Then, I can spend somebody else's money on myself. And if I spend somebody else's money on myself, then I'm sure going to have a good lunch! Finally, I can spend somebody else's money on somebody else. And if I spend somebody else's money on somebody else, I'm not concerned about how much it is, and I'm not concerned about what I get. And that's government. And that's close to 40% of our national income.
Yes, the problem is some of both. However, claiming that technology drives down the cost of everything only works if you keep buying the same thing. New technology is very expensive, at least at first.
"'claiming that technology drives down the cost of everything only works if you keep buying the same thing""
Mostly true. Somethings come down in price when you can mass produce. A MRI scanner could be cheaper if they were selling enough to offer them at Costco.
Is anybody still making CRT TV's any more?
Not sure about the specific model, but you can surely find a 20 something inch, low def tv pretty cheaply.
Yes, you can get brand spanking new CRTs for 80's upright and cocktail video game consoles.
Re: ola,
Same point I made earlier.
"What drives the cost of healthcare is the pricing distortion caused by the 3rd payer system and the artificial restriction in supply caused by licensing laws."
It's all about end-of-life care. We spend a fortune on people who are not going to get better, with or without treatment.
^THIS.
Some might say it's cruel to just let sick 85-year-olds die. Most of them have never worked in a nursing home.
To put it in the simplest terms, there's no such thing as enough healthcare.
Realistically, I would suggest that you all cultivate friendships with the people who will be sitting on the 'Medical Procedure Authorization Board' (or whatever it will be called.)*
*Feel free to compose your own name and acronym for them.
Drug Evaluation And disTribution House
I wanted to make it work somehow.
Try this:
Diagnostic
Efficacy
And
Treatment
Hierarchy.
Well done!
I find it highly interesting that Speaker Boehner's policy director is a former lobbyist for the medical device industry.
Yeah, that is bound to catch anybody's very scarce and valuable attention...
Well it means that it used to be his job to make sure government didn't try to fix the federal deficit by going after that particular industry. I dunno seems relevant.
Also, did you know he once carried cash bribes to lawmakers with the help of Jack Abramoff co-conspirator Michael Scanlon? This was while he was employed by Tom Delay.
Yeah Boehner is a real public servant doing the work of the American people.
Did you know Tony once had me stick a cigar up his ass? True story.
He's certainly working the American people over.
The whole health care "conversation" in the US is way more complicated than it needs to be. I believe that a combination of special interest tricks & economic ignorance.
We could have one comprehensive health care "insurance" system pretty easily. The federal government could offer everyone an annual insurance policy with a deductible of $15,000.
People with less resources & older generations, rather than getting separate stipends for housing, education, health care, food/nutrition (which is probably the biggest component of the health care debate ignored) from massive, inefficient bureaucratic entities, get it in the form of a negative income tax.
Medical care is a tough debate. Much easier if you're a heartless bastard that says fuck 'em if they can't pay. Probably 90% of those will backtrack as soon as they have a condition that exceeds their ability to pay.
Tough luck.
RyanCare doesn't solve anything. It simply dumps the problem on the laps of seniors. Because his vouchers will not grow with inflation, he is telling seniors to fend for themselves. This puts them in exactly the same situation they were in the 1960s, when you were uninsured as soon as you left employment.
If medical inflation and GDP grow at recent norms, in 5 years seniors will pay 80% of today's premium out of pocket. In 10 years, they will spend their entire SS check on health insurance premiums with nothing left for copays, let alone food or rent.
Ryan is just pushing the "your on your own" Republican agenda onto seniors. I guess you could always go back to work at 80 to get insurance, if someone will hire you.
If you take the formula that SS benefits grow at 3%, Ryan's vouchers grow at 4%, and medical inflation grows at 15% (my insurance premiums went up 15% each of the past two years), seniors will spend more than their SS checks on their premiums.
In 2012, a senior gets $1100 in SS, $500 in RyanCare Vouchers, and pays $500 in insurance premiums. He is left with his $1100 SS check and medical insurance, hopefully comparable to medicare.
In 2013, he gets $1133 SS, $520 RyanCare, and pays $575 in insurance, leaving him with $1078, or $22 less than last year (which has been eroded by 3% inflation).
In 2017, 5 years into the program, he gets: $1275 & $608, but pays out $1006, leaving him with only $878.
In 2022, 10 years on and into his late 70s, he gets $1478 & $740, but pays out $2023, a net of only $193, enough for about 2 weeks of groceries.
By the next year, he is in debt. He gets $1523 & $770, but pays out $2326, leaving him scrambling for $34 to pay his medical insurance each month, with nothing for food, clothes, housing or utilities. If he lives 2 more years, he'll be at -$628 every month as he aproaches 80.
Of course, the person retiring in that year will be in the same boat as our senior, so he will likely never be able to retire. This also assumes that the insurance company doesn't hike his rates because of his advancing age or previous conditions.
Within a dozen years, RyanCare eats all of SS and leaves seniors unable to affordable health insurance.
Waaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, poor babies.
Fucking old people aren't nearly as special as everyone seems to think.
Why do people think that anyone has the right to consume these resources without compensating the people who have invested to provide them?
So they'll die if they don't get that expensive operation/drug/treatment/whatever. So fucking what, every one is going to die some time and if you get sick and can't pay, tough fucking luck.
Like there's something special about reaching the age of sixty-fucking-five that makes it alright to start sponging of everyone.
Maybe your hypothetical senior should have saved for his own retirement.
Never trust an open-ended promise. They're rather deliver bad service than none.
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