Alcohol

Wet at Last

Dallas legalizes alcohol.

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Californians did not legalize marijuana in November, but Dallasites did finally manage to legalize alcohol. By a margin of nearly 2 to 1, voters approved a ballot initiative that allows grocery and convenience stores throughout the city to sell beer and wine.

As a result of precinct-level votes, Dallas was a patchwork of dry and wet zones for nearly a century. You could buy alcoholic beverages at, say, the Whole Foods on North Central Expressway but not at the Whole Foods on Preston Road. Rules for restaurants also varied by location: In some neighborhoods, you could order a cocktail only after joining a "private club." A companion measure that also passed by a large margin in November abolishes that requirement.

Writing in the Advocate, a local magazine, Jeff Siegel and Rachel Stone said the vote on these two propositions—which, among other things, reflects a demographic shift from Baptists and Methodists toward more drink-tolerant religious groups such as Catholics, Jews, and nondenominational Protestants—was "the biggest wet-dry election in U.S. history since the end of Prohibition." They called it "a landmark moment," since quirky alcohol rules were "as much a part of Dallas as 100-degree days." And about as welcome.

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  1. “voters approved a ballot initiative that allows grocery and convenience stores throughout the city to sell beer and wine.”
    Wow, maybe that bastion of democratic progressivism, Montgomery county Maryland could find it in its heart to allow the same thing that’s allowed in the Bible belt.

    Of course, Montgomery county also makes sure that the shorts on Hooter girls aren’t too high up…hmmm, that is an interesting regulatory scheme.

    1. I think the key here is it was a ballot initiative. Politicians are very much beholden to the business interests who favor economic protectionism such as this; most consumers just want easier access to booze.

      1. ^^That up thar^^

    2. Of course, Montgomery county also makes sure that the shorts on Hooter girls aren’t too high up…hmmm, that is an interesting regulatory scheme.

      Interesting, but necessary. If you were on the county council, would you want your daughter’s ass hanging completely-out at her job?

      1. No but I would gladly vote your daughter’s ass out of her shorts 🙂

        1. +1

  2. “more drink-tolerant religious groups such as Catholics”

    Catholics? “Drink-tolerant”? Yeah, that fits.

    1. Come on, Alan, they drink in church. Plus, have you never met an Irishman?

      1. Wait, so “Irish-Catholic” isn’t a euphemism akin to “Irish-Coffee”?

      2. And its not just something we happen to do, the Eucharist is the entire point of having Mass in the first place.

        Additionally, one of Jesus’ miracles was turning water into wine when a wedding ran out.

        1. We’re the last ethnic/religious group that can take a joke.
          I’ll drink to that.

    2. STOP SPELLING MY NAME WRONG!!!

    3. More like “drink-fueled”

  3. I love how the typical party line you hear with these initiative is, “But if grocery stores can sell booze, the liquor stores will all go out of business!” If only there were some place to which we could turn to empirically examine whether booze-selling grocery stores and liquor stores can coexist…

    1. Yeah, Ive laughed at that one too. I really dont get it. Grocery stores, liquor stores, convenience stores, drug stores, they have all been selling it for my entire life and seem to coexist just fine.

      1. I remember when a similar fight was going on in Colorado, the Colorado Brewer’s Guild opposed the sale of full-strength beer in grocery stores because the grocery stores would predictably give most of their shelf space to cheap macros. While that’s true, I just couldn’t imagine there was a significant segment of beer consumers currently buying craft beer in liquor stores who would instead buy Coors Light if they found it on their grocery store shelf.

        1. From what I can tell at my local liquor stores, lots of cases of macrocrap move out the doors, despite it being sold in grocery stores.

          1. Those people just never buy groceries, and so have no other reason to be in a grocery store anyway.

    2. I live in Michigan. Buying alcohol in grocery stores seems so commonplace to me that I was suprised the first time I learned that other states restrict alcohol purchases to specialized liquor stores.

  4. freedom at last

  5. While Oklahoma liquor law isn’t quite so patchy as the Dallas metro (it’s generally broken down by county), we still have a pretty ridiculous set of state alcohol regs.
    There’s finally a bill coming before the state legislature which would allow grocery stores to sell wine and high point beer, both of which have previously been restricted to the heavily regulated liquor stores. I hear the bill would also allow liquor stores to sell cold beer (which would be a huge boon to Sooner drinkers: many fine brews are not available in Oklahoma because their manufacturers won’t ship and sell them unrefrigerated), allow liquor stores to sell non-alcoholic items (like ice for instance), and break some of the state protectionism and price controls in the wholesale market.
    Unfortunately, the law wouldn’t remove restrictions requiring liquor stores to close by 9pm and prohibiting them from operating on Sundays. Maybe we’ll get there eventually.
    The funny part of the story is that liquor store owners (I know two of them personally) are strongly against the easing of all these regulations. You see, now they might have to invest in refrigeration equipment and compete against grocery stores for our business. It’s an excellent example of business owners being very pro-regulation for their industry, reaping the benefits of diminished competition.

    1. Local liquor stores fought Sunday sales in Louisville. They lost, cause the chain liqour stores had more power. And the people wanted to buy booze on Sunday.

      1. We may get Sunday liquor sales in Texas this legislative session (already have beer and wine sales in grocery stores after noon). The state needs the tax revenue.

    2. do y’all still have the 3.2 beer thing?

      1. Yes. The rationale being 3.2 is “non-intoxicating”.

    3. Kentucky might be more patchy that Dallas. It is mostly decided by county, although cities can differ from the country. However, in Louisville we have dry PRECINCTS.

      Thats right, a few precincts have voted themselves dry. Because, of course, the reason they are poor is the Indian owned liquor store on the corner.

      1. Kentucky might be more patchy that Dallas. It is mostly decided by county, although cities can differ from the country. However, in Louisville we have dry PRECINCTS.

        Dallas had dry precincts within Dallas County. Dry justice of the peace precincts. IIRC, the boundaries didn’t actually correspond to the current Justice of the Peace precincts, either, they coresponded to the precincts at the time that a particular set of wet/dry regulations was passed.

    4. While many areas around Texas are removing dry laws, we still have the same 9pm and no Sunday sales statewide as well.

      1. Yep. And no alcohol sales between 12 am and 8 am in a lot of places. But I’m on the collin county side of Dallas.
        Blue laws are teh suck.

    5. Unfortunately, the law wouldn’t remove restrictions requiring liquor stores to close by 9pm

      There goes about 70% of the parties we threw in college.

  6. Catholics do drink “the blood of Christ” aka “wine” in Church.

    Frankly, I don’t understand protestants, if Jesus wanted us to drink water he would have turned wine into water and not the other way around.

    Either way, Dallas is far superior than California. Why? Because it lacks that progressive Yankee influence.

    1. You are sadly mistaken, neocon troll..

      1. Oh Sy, you’re just like Hitler without the charm. Do remember not to wash your swastika with hot water, we wouldn’t want your fascism to fade away. So, how am I mistaken?

        1. “Because it lacks that progressive Yankee influence.”

          Dallas has been heavily influenced by ‘progressive Yankee(s)’ over the past decade. Note that Dallas went blue during the last presidential election.

          1. That’s because John McCain was a pussy who didn’t attack Obama hard enough, he even defended the fuhrer. Shocking.

    2. I think much of the protestant grape juice is the result of prohibition and refrigeration.

    3. Either way, Dallas is far superior than California. Why? Because it lacks that progressive Yankee influence.

      Really?

      You really wrote that in earnest, and not as some form of satire?

      After formulating those ‘thoughts’ and posting them on this page, did you then jump up and down, screaming “YEE-HAW!!!”, while shooting a revolver in each hand?

      The only thing more obnoxious than culture war bullshit, is regional chauvinist bullshit.

      1. Regional chauvinistic BS? Are you sure you’re not a liberal? Why is it proud for me to celebrate the superiority of the south? I mean, New Yorkers love to say that they’re the center of the universe and I don’t see you people complaining.

        1. Ooops, I meant “wrong” for me, not “proud.”

        2. Ooops, I meant “wrong” for me, not “proud.”

        3. People in Texas love to tell you how they’re from God’s Land: TEH LONE STAR STAET. They then proceed to cook meth in bathtubs and drink pabst blue ribbon while sitting on their picnic chair decked with the lonestar flag. They mostly live in metro-suburban areas yet drive pick-up trucks the size of RV’s to their IT jobs in Plano.

          Mention any positive aspect that you enjoy from anywhere else, and they will proceed to call you a ‘Yankee’ or ‘California boy’, ‘queer’, or ‘faggit’, and treat you to other forms of “southern hospitality”
          I know this because I’ve lived here most of my life. It is truly a cesspool.

          1. Maybe it’s because you’re not polite, Sy. Southeners are polite until you mess with them, then they’ll let you have it.

          2. Oddly enough, if you visit Texas, you’ll find that peoples’ behaviors vary from individual to individual. It’s a little too subtle for some people to grasp, I know.

      2. But the SEC is the bestest conference in all of college football!!!11!!!!111

        /idiocy

    4. ??? Check out the biggest drinkers in Europe, the Protestant countries outdrink the Catholics without contest.

      1. I don’t know whether you’re right there or not but I was amused a year or so ago when I heard a report (on the BBC IIRC) that Ireland had the lowest alcohol consumption rate in Europe now.

        IIANM, Germany is quite high; I wonder how it breaks down between Catholic and Potestant regions.

        I’m pretty sure the Russians have the record, though.

        1. I never really thought about it, in Bavaria it is more traditionally Catholic and thats where the Oktoberfest is (the stereo typical German depiction), but in Germany people drink heavy either way, its not as taboo as puritanical USA, drinking a beer with lunch is alright.

      2. Until Sharia Law kicks in, dhimmitude and all.

    5. You know that the anti-drinking folks are a minority of Protestants, right? You should check out a book called Drinking with Calvin and Luther. The whole Dry Crusades were a rather recent invention, and I assure you that German Lutherans (just to throw out an example) never got on board with it.

      1. Niether did the puritans.

  7. Now, just wait.

    All hell will break loose in Dallas!

  8. Whenever we repeal a stupid law, all hell breaks loose.

    If the law involves guns, the streets inevitably run red with blood. If it involves liquor, the entire population becomes alcoholics.

    Just read the editorials from the mainstream press, in the weeks PRIOR to the repeal…

    Of course, if we ended the “War on Drugs”, America would become a giant opium den.

    1. Denver Colorado decided to not have the cops pursue marijuana possession crimes. I expect the earth to open and swallow Denver any day now.

  9. Alcohol has been legalized by the citizenry just in time for it to be banned by a sanctimonious, progressive board of supervisors who know what is best for you!

  10. Here in Georgia, we can’t purchase alcohol on Sunday.

    1. “Here in Georgia, we can’t purchase alcohol on Sunday.”

      When I happened to be in GA some years back, my friend made some comment about ‘time to go’ late Saturday afternoon; time to buy Sunday’s ration.
      And we weren’t alone in the store.

      1. Georgia! Encouraging its citizens to think ahead since 1933!

        1. Sorta like the NFL’s drug testing some time back; it was administered every X days.
          Most players figured it was a math test and laughed at those who failed.

  11. Buying beer and wine in a grocery or convenience store? Never heard of that odd practice.

    /Pennsylvanianian

    1. Yes, you’ns have it tough with the distributors. They oughta change that nonsense.

    2. You better don’t hear about odd European practices. They can sell all alcohol anywhere at any time, not just pussy drinks like beer and wine.

  12. Woo hoo! Nice surprise in Dallas today!

  13. You libertards are obsessed with your freedoms, wait, this is about legalizing alcohol? I guess I’m for that, but libtards are too? I’m confused.

    1. Yes.

      Yes you are.

  14. I’m gonna share it in Facebook, this is really awesome

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