The U.S.: Promoting Democratic Values Around the Globe
Afghan justice and security officials want to adopt the U.S. practice of detaining suspected insurgents indefinitely without trial, according to senior U.S. and Afghan officials involved in efforts to have the government in Kabul take control of detention operations in the country….
An Afghan-run system of detention without trial has yet to be approved by President Hamid Karzai, who has complained repeatedly about the U.S. policy of holding his citizens for years without civilian legal review. But senior officials of his government have voiced support for the move to achieve what they regard as an even more important goal: taking charge of detentions from the U.S.-led NATO coalition.
The U.S. government had been reluctant to transfer more authority over detained insurgents to the Afghan government because of concern that many would be released if they were tried in criminal courts…..
Although U.S. officials had hoped that the Afghan changes would be spelled out in a presidential decree and promulgated before parliament convened - under Afghan law, the president can make laws by fiat when the legislature is in recess - a draft decree has yet to reach Karzai.
Keep that light unto the nations burning, U.S.A.! We're like that shining city on the hill, surrounded by detention camps. Hat tip: Sheldon Richman.
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Yet another reason it's bad not to stick to our guns on civil liberties, even when it's hard to do so.
More of Same!
I have the feeling that in Afghanistan, "indefinite detention" is understood to take place in a pine box six feet underground.
They took our JERBS!
Relativistic bullshit. Military detentions have been a fact of life for every nation for hundreds of years. It's called making grown-up choices - something some writers on this blog understand much better in the context of domestic spending than in anything to do with international relations.
No, it isn't. No one is objecting to holding prisoners of war for the duration of hostilities.
duration of hostilities
Well, since the war on terror is open ended....
Prisoners of war are uniformed employees of adversarial governments to be returned once the governments negotiate an end to hostilities.
Who employs these prisoners?
With whom do you negotiate to put an end to hostilities?
Look, just like here, there's no reason not to have due process. That due process can be something other than the normal one for criminal defendants, but no due process at all is a bad idea.
*sniff sniff*
I smell a Randroid.
Some people call it "making grown-up choices," while others call it an excuse for statism. It takes a leftist's faith in the government to presume it will indefinitely detain only innocent people.
This is really depressing.
Back in 2003, GWB spoke at the 20th Anniversary of the National Endowment for Democracy:
Sadly, he was just bushitting us, and Obama is just continuing in his footsteps.
*Sniff* I'm so proud! Before you know it they'll be shooting pets just like us!
We gave up the pipe dream of a democratic Afghanistan quite some time ago. All we're hoping for now is a stable government that won't be overthrown right after NATO leaves.
That ain't gonna happen either.
Maybe the Afghan government can get the detainees declared adulterers and do an end-run around the whole problem.
This is all necessary for peace.
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