Dying Industry Recognizes Revived Constitutional Right

Hey Amtrak rider! Wake up, I'm talking to you! You can now transport 'em if you got 'em, "'em" being your Second Amendment-protected weapons. Via TravelMole:

The US Congress has ordered the reversal of a gun ban that had been in place on the government-owned railroad for nearly a decade.

Starting Dec.15, gun owners will need to let Amtrak know 24 hours in advance of their intention to bring firearms onboard. Unloaded guns will need to be packed in hard-sided containers. These will be placed in special storage lockers -- guns will not be allowed on trains that don't have checked baggage service.

The story of how we got that Second Amendment right recognized by the Supreme Court is told in my Christmas present ready book Gun Control on Trial.

Comments

[Almanian]

The only thing holding back Amtrak from doubling their ridership was the prohibition on shipping guns. I know that's what's been keeping me from riding the train.

When can we kill Amtrak? Never? *sigh* that's what I thought...

[ClubMedSux]

I'm in the same boat as you, Almanian. I've seen enough westerns to know that only a dadburned fool rides the rails without his trusty six-shooter.

[Tim]

Isn't it a crime to take guns between states?

[Almanian]

....certainly between wherever Brian Aitkin came from and New Jersey. 7 years in the clink for moving to NJ and owning guns.

*shudder*

[LarryA]

Aitkin was transporting the firearms between locations inside NJ, and was therefore unprotected by the federal transport law.

[Almanian]

They jailed him on a state law

[Almanian]

...and he was moving from another state

[LarryA]

Aitkin moved from out of state to his mother's house in NJ. During that move he was protected by the federal transport law. Then he moved the two guns to his house, also in NJ, which should have been okay under NJ law. However, the judge didn't allow the defense that he was moving to go to the jury.

[LarryA]

Actually federal law provies you can "transport" (cased and unloaded) firearms interstate as long as you can legally possess them where you start and where you end up.

You can't transfer firearms to a resident of another state without going through a dealer.

[T]

Not true. You can transfer firearms to anyone you believe is not a prohibited person. What you can't do is ship them interstate without an FFL holder. The actual transfer is kosher, though.

[JD]

No, transferring a firearm to someone you know or believe to not be a resident of your state is unlawful.

Per 18 USC ?922:

(a) It shall be unlawful?
(5) for any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector) to transfer, sell, trade, give, transport, or deliver any firearm to any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector) who the transferor knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not reside in (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, does not maintain a place of business in) the State in which the transferor resides; except that this paragraph shall not apply to
(A) the transfer, transportation, or delivery of a firearm made to carry out a bequest of a firearm to, or an acquisition by intestate succession of a firearm by, a person who is permitted to acquire or possess a firearm under the laws of the State of his residence, and
(B) the loan or rental of a firearm to any person for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes;

[JD]

Correct link

[T]

Hmm. Learn something new everyday.

[BWM]

Umm, it says right there in exception A or whatever that you CAN do it if the recipient is legally allowed to own guns in his state.

[LarryA]

Only if it's an inheritance. You have to be dying to give it to them.

[davidc]

I have a VA CCW that is recognized by NC, SC, and FL. Why do I have to declare my gun and put in checked baggage. If I were taking my family to Disney in FL by car, the only state where I would disarm is GA. Really 🙂 Why should the transportation mode make a difference?

[Tim]

Stay out of New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts,...

[Jeffersonian]

You're good to go in MO, too. No license required to carry your hogleg in the car.

[R C Dean]

Same in TX.

[In Time Of War]

Dude, this is America. Just be thankful for whatever scraps of freedom and dignity the government will throw you.
If you don't like their rules, you can always take a plane...

[JD]

You wouldn't have to disarm in Georgia either, since Georgia allows carry in your car without a permit (as do SC and FL).

[robc]

Why does GA accept the VA one? They accept KY (nearly everyone accepts KY).

[robc]

Insert a not where you think appropriate.

[Montani Semper Liberi]

Speaking of guns, anyone got recommendations on a reasonably (i.e. less than $700) priced .45 ACP for concealed carry?

[Tim]

Buy a used one. All the major companies will do a tune up for you for a reasonable price.

[T]

I carry a Springfield Armory Mil-Spec in stainless steel, which should be in your price range. The wife carries a SA GI Champion Lightweight, which I know is.

This does depend on your like/dislike for the 1911 platform.

[Warty]

My dad just got a Springfied XD .45, and it shoots real nice. I think they go for around $500.

[R C Dean]

I've heard good things about them.

I believe Kahr makes a .45 now. I've got their 9mm, and it is a great carry gun. Everything they make is designed to be carried. Not sure what their price is.

[bandofotters]

If you are looking for a .45 ACP and it does not have to be a 1911 then look into the DA/SA BERSA THUNDER 45 ULTRA COMPACT PRO. It will run you way under $400.00. I own it in 9mm and love it. I have yet to have a failure after 100's of rounds and it shoots straight. It comes with 2 13-round magazines unless "standard capacity" is illegal in your state then it be 10-rounds.

[johnl]

California already has a train to nowhere, the Sprinter that connects San Diego's northeast most suburb to its northwest most. Now if the guys from Reason LA want to take an Amtrak down to see the Sprinter, they can pack for the ride.

[Tulpa]

Uh, how does Congress "order" Amtrak to do things? If they passed a bill, wouldn't Obama have to sign it?

[LarryA]

He did.

[DADIODADDY]

Can you shoot at other trains as thye pass by?

[DADIODADDY]

That would be wicked...

[T]

If I can't hunt buffalo from a shooting platform, I'm just not interested.

[English Bob]

I'll shoot for the Queen and you for, well, whomever.

[Paul]

But... terrorists...

[Monkey's Uncle]

Gun Ban on Amtrak? Wouldn't know it boarding in New Orleans.

[IceTrey]

"guns will not be allowed on trains that don't have checked baggage service."

Unless you put in your pocket.

[BWM]

So you can have it, just in a stupid way. I guess that's an improvement, but it's still silly; you should be able to carry it on you.

[LazloToth]

Amtrak reports record ridership
A rebound in business travel, along with high gasoline prices, helped Amtrak report record ridership for fiscal 2010, just completed.
The passenger railroad carried 28.7 million riders for the year, 5.7 percent more than a year earlier
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....07149.html
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Amtrak may be competition that other industries want to kill, but it certainly isn't a "dying industry"

Market demand for passenger rail is increasing. It is a growth market no matter how much the petro-shills try to deny it.

[P Brooks]

Amtrak may be competition that other industries want to kill, but it certainly isn't a "dying industry"

It's possible (even likely) that there exists a limited but real demand for passenger rail service in this great land. The existence of AMTRAK is more of a hindrance than an encouragement to developing the market.

[P Brooks]

I do not see, in the quote above, a distinction between handguns and long guns. Is there, or was there?

[Peter Hamm]

See "Living for 32" for a compelling story about a Virginia Tech shooting victim. The trailer is at http://www.livingfor32.com. Read Maria Cuomo Cole's Huffington post blog: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....90109.html

[JD]

It could have been a lot fewer than 32 if one of the victims had a gun too.

[bandofotters]

If you are looking for a .45 ACP and it does not have to be a 1911 then look into the DA/SA BERSA THUNDER 45 ULTRA COMPACT PRO. It will run you way under $400.00. I own it in 9mm and love it. I have yet to have a failure after 100's of rounds and it shoots straight. It comes with 2 13-round magazines unless "standard capacity" is illegal in your state then it be 10-rounds.

[john luvaor]

Someone please explain this to me. What is the real world relevance of this newly acquired right of Amtrak passengers to transport guns in checked luggage, in view of the fact Amtrak has no passenger screening? I rarely use Amtrak. But when I do, I carry my loaded Glock concealed under my jacket, just as I do whenever I leave home. Any Amtrak passenger can do this without fear of screening, including bad guys. So it seems that this "liberalized" Amtrak regulation has no enforcement capability & therefore no practical relevance . Or am I missing something?

BTW: With the new, intrusive, "Enhanced" TAS airline screening procedures, Amtrak business is increasing. No surprise here.

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