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Editorial Boards to the Little People Complaining About the TSA: Bend Over and Take it Like a Man!

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I'm a colonoscopist, not an airport screener, dammit!

More evidence for Radley Balko's thesis that the media is more statist than liberal (and for my contention that the unsigned newspaper editorial should go the way of the dodo bird):

Los Angeles Times:

Shut up and be scanned

Baltimore Sun:

Whatever happened to the notion that we need to stick together to overcome extremists? U.S. soldiers are still dying for that cause in Iraq and Afghanistan on a regular basis. Under the circumstances, it seems a small sacrifice for the citizens back home to keep a stiff upper lip and voluntarily agree to measures that experts believe are needed

Boston Globe:

The new "enhanced" patdown by airport screeners has sparked an unfortunate backlash among some fliers and privacy advocates

Springfield Republican:

Let's consider these searches the 21st-century equivalent of a WWII rationing card.

Polls show that most Americans accept the scanners. The public and Congress can also insist that the TSA improve its technology and procedures.

But it's never easy to balance liberty and security, and 9/11 showed the need for vigilance. As the British would say, let's not get our knickers in a twist—even if the twist shows up on the scanners.

Santa Fe New Mexican:

Much of the outrage springs from ignorance: Protesters somehow think that the attendants around the machines are peeping Toms, staring salaciously at you, then your private parts. But the images taken by the scanners only show up in a separate room, there to be viewed by an inspector who has no idea who he or she is actually looking at.

B-b-but even if it isn't the indecency of it all, it's the principle of the thing, comes the bellowing from the would-be offendees. Well, yes — so, for the moment, you can stand, or bend over, on principle and suffer attendant indignities.

Sacramento Bee:

Would you rather board a flight with all passengers fully screened, or one for which they haven't?

If they're honest about it, the answer is obvious to even the most ardent civil libertarians.

Spokane Spokesman-Review:

TSA isn't at fault here, though. TSA is on our side. The underwear bomber and his allies and sympathizers, whoever they are, are the real culprits. […]

[M]odest traveler inconvenience is a reasonable price to pay for a little added peace of mind.

Extra baggage fees? That's altogether different.

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219 responses to “Editorial Boards to the Little People Complaining About the TSA: Bend Over and Take it Like a Man!

  1. Dammit, Jim! I’m a doctor, not a TSA Agent!

    1. Scotty:
      Capt’n, I kant do it…I would do anythin for the enterprize, but I am not going up the ships expulsitory tube of analtron to get those dilithium crystals…

      1. I’ll do it.

    2. I want Lt. Uhura to do it…or one of them hawt green chicks.

  2. I hope you called everybody on the LA Times editorial board and congratulated them on their principled support of authoritarianism.

    1. The big media, and esp. the newspapers are not pro state, but they are bought and paid for by the unions, and that’s what this is all about. Democrats and unions, and that is the problem with big city police departments also.

      1. Oops. Perhaps I was influenced by the subject matter, but at first glance I read “The big media, and esp. the newspapers are not prostate…”

      2. You are an unbelievable idiot if you think this remotely has anything to do with unions. The TSA isn’t unionized, and even if it were it is not as if union members would be selecting scanners and designing pat down routines. You should really be ashamed of how stupid you sound, and go read a few books or at least turn off FOX and reconsider your whole outlook on life.

      3. You are kidding, right? They are controlled by unions when most are going the way of the dinosaur? Look at the Philly papers. The are both now controlled by hedge funds because a former PR guy(who was involved in Republican politics) paid too much for the papers a few years ago and couldn’t pay back the hedge funds from whom he borrowed the money to pay for the paper. Big city police departments? You do realize that most police are Republican, right? And lest you forget, the “LA Times” is owned by Sam Zell(a noted right-wing union hater).

  3. If they’re honest about it, the answer is obvious to even the most ardent civil libertarians

    Don’t you dare put words in my fucking mouth, you bootlicking assholes.

    1. Now that’s a Fucking editorial lead!

    2. Awesome. If it wasn’t for rule #1 of the internet, I would proclaim undying love for you.

  4. It’s unfortunate that the outrage over this is devolving into a “shut up and color, ya whiners” bitch fest, instead of a rational discussion about the efficacy of the procedures, or hell, even a discussion about the options available, instead of treating what TSA is doing as ‘necessary’.

    Fucking tools.

  5. Jesus, that is fucking depressing. Here’s the Orlando Sentinel, to add to the list.

    “Security comes first
    The public ought to tolerate the TSA’s latest safeguards.”

    1. The only good news is that the Sentinel editorial has a one-star review from four reviewers.

      Of course, that might just be the people on this board.

  6. For. Fuck’s SAKE! I can’t take any more – no more Reason the rest of the day or I will absolutely punch a hole in my monitor.

    Fuck me. Actually, fuck every one of these newspapers’ editors. Assholes – I hope you get run over by a milk truck and taste your own blood.

    Fuckers.

    *grumble, grumble, grumble*

    1. There aren’t many milk trucks around these days….

      1. …then what’s in those shiny stainless steel tankers I see leaving the dairy farms?

        OMG!! FLUORIDATED WATER!!! RUN, GO TELL THE OTHERS!!!

  7. The mind boggles at the idiocracy the constitutes the editorial staff at a major daily newspaper these days.

    Whatever happened to the notion that we need to stick together to overcome extremists? U.S. soldiers are still dying for that cause in Iraq and Afghanistan on a regular basis. Under the circumstances, it seems a small sacrifice for the citizens back home to keep a stiff upper lip and voluntarily agree to measures that experts believe are needed.

    My god that would be stupid if it was printed in a high school paper!

    1. Could it be sarcasm?

      If not, do you think they’d write the same thing if, for instance, they made everyone vomit before boarding? Or selected every 100th passenger to be sliced open to be examined?

      1. Sarcasm no. Satire…..maybe but coming from the Baltimore Sun I doubt it.

        1. What’s even more absurd is that, as a good liberal rag, they’ve been against the wars ( when Bush was pres – they don’t even exist now that Obama is pres ).

          Apparently they’re only against them when they aren’t a useful excuse.

    2. What, you don’t agree that the proper repsonse to soldiers dying in a pointless war is to allow ourselves to be pointlessly groped here at home?

      1. Maybe we could send the TSA to Afghanistan and they could do their “groping to save democracy” routine their?

    3. measures that experts believe are needed

      Experts, I tell ya.
      Top.
      Men.

    4. Under the circumstances, it seems a small sacrifice for the citizens back home to keep a stiff upper lip and voluntarily agree to measures that experts believe are needed.

      There’s that word “experts” again. I hate that fucking word!

      1. Oh, me too. My last job was doing, er, “policy analysis.” We were always talking ’bout “experts” and “expertise.” We were sometimes even called “experts.” If that was the case, I can tell you that being an expert doesn’t take much when it comes to public policy.

        The other word I hate as much as “experts,” is “excellence.”

  8. Sacramento Bee:

    Would you rather board a flight with all passengers fully screened, or one for which they haven’t?

    If they’re honest about it, the answer is obvious to even the most ardent civil libertarians.

    The statists show once again their penchant for positing false dilemmas.

    The answer is obvious – I prefer NOT to fly if it means enabling the interventionist FUCKS.

    1. Yup, told my mom I won’t be flying home for Xmas or ever while these policies are in effect, she wasn’t surprised. She was going off about how it’s not even about security, it’s about the state controlling people. The TSA has basically turned my mom into an anarchist, it’s awesome.

      1. Did the same for my dad, who for the first time could see where I’ve been coming from in the last 20+ years.

      2. Good for her… but that’s not anarchy, you know.

        1. Close enough for me Mum.

  9. The legacy media cannot die fast enough. But it’s not like they aren’t committing suicide as we speak with shit like this. Who here has even read an editorial in years from a “major” newspaper that wasn’t pointed out by a reason editor (or someone else)?

    1. Well, I just did. But only because of all of the others Matt put in the article.

  10. Let’s consider these searches the 21st-century equivalent of a WWII rationing card.

    Done. Now let’s carry on opposing them for teh stoopid that they are.

    1. I consider the searches the 21st-century equivalent of the WWII internment of Japanese-Americans.

      1. Very good!

  11. Spokane Spokesman-Review:

    TSA isn’t at fault here, though. TSA is on our side. The underwear bomber and his allies and sympathizers, whoever they are, are the real culprits.

    Never mind the invasions, the murdering of thousands of civilizans by American military forces (the deaths being “worth it” according to Madeleine “Stalin” Albright), the interventionist policies, the endless wars – no, the culprit is some stupid kid with a bomb in his knickers.

    1. Would you rather board a flight with all passengers fully screened, or one for which they haven’t?

      If they’re so confident in this, why not let people have the choice, and we could see?

  12. Would you rather board a flight with all passengers fully screened, or one for which they haven’t?

    If they’re honest about it, the answer is obvious to even the most ardent civil libertarians.

    It’s hilarious when a stupid cunt like this is unintentionally right, but not in the way he thinks.

    1. I don’t think this cunt understands what “civil libertarian” means, let alone being capable of answering their own question correctly.

      1. Nor do the Bee of Sacramento’s b.s. scribblers understand what “fully screened” means. There’s so little that they do understand, such as the difference between a genuine “highly qualified” school teacher and a merely “credentialed” one. The stuck-on-stupid State worshippers sitting on legacy media editorial boards have a whole dictionary of such phrases that don’t mean what they pretend they mean.

    2. civil libertarians = right wing nuts

  13. Wholey Kwrap – just clicked through to the LA Times, I thought Welch’s “Shut up and be scanned” was a recap, but IT’S THEIR ACTUAL HEADLINE.

    FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

    1. If it’s indented like that, it’s a direct quote.

      1. I suffered from the same misconception. WTF?! How can they think that’s appropriate? How can they stay in business?

        1. They know they’re doomed if they kiss up to their subscribers at this point. So they’re kissing up to the govt in hopes of a bailout.

        2. The paper is owned by Sam Zell. What do you expect. You do realize he is a major funder of right wing causes, right?

    2. Wow, so did I.

      People really are as crazy, dumb, and wrong-headed as I sensed they were when I was six years old.

  14. I didn’t want them to see my bird, but Gary the head TSA agent was on me like shit to a blanket…

    1. Patrick Swayze Express?

      1. You should go through security with a Conky puppet to make it easy to show on the doll where the TSA touched you.

        “I gotta kill this puppet, Julian.”

    2. Can it fly? Does the Tin Man have a sheet-metal cock?

      1. Wanna date? 10 bucks or six dairy queen coupons…

  15. I love how some proponents of the screening love to throw out false choices, like “if you don’t support these screenings than obviously you want to get on a plane with everyone unscreened at all.”

    No, we want smart, effective security and not security theater that tramples rights and doesn’t help.

    1. If you don’t support the screenings, then you support the terrorists, you terrorist-loving bastard!!!!!!!!!!

      And you’re probably a racist, too.

    2. I agree, but smart, effective security is easier said than done.

    3. I would take 2000 level screening no problem. Heck, I wouldn’t personally mind flying on NoScan Airlines, but that’s just me.

      1. ^^ This. Considering that it’s fairly obvious that anyone trying any real shit on a plane since 9/11 is going to get the crap beat out of them with a combination of those aluminum coffee pots and seat belt extenders, I’m not too concerned.

  16. Please don’t send them my way.

  17. http://www.slate.com/id/2275681/

    Don’t forget slate. Professional ass clown William Saleton weighs in with these little nuggets.

    “Ignore these imbeciles. Their plan would clog security lines and ruin your holiday for no good reason. They don’t understand the importance of the electronic scans. They’re wrong about the scanners’ safety. And from the standpoint of dignity, their advice is insane. If you opt out of the scan, you’ll get a pat-down instead. You’ll trade a fast, invisible, intangible, privacy-protected machine inspection for an unpleasant, extended grope. In effect, you’ll be telling TSA to touch your junk.”

    And of course the act of refusing is tantamount to cooperating with terrorists. Saleton goes on:

    “Those words could just as easily have been written by the underwear bomber. Research the airports, look for the weak link, and pray that you don’t have to go through a scanner that can see what’s between your legs. So, yes, Mr. Tyner. Before you board my plane, I want the guys from TSA to look at your junk. And if you refuse, I want them to touch it.”

    1. It’s really weird how the Left starts pulling the fear card in justifying authoritarianism when they are in power… really disappointing and sad. Could you imagine Slate saying this if Bush was president?

      1. Not in a million years.

      2. Weird Schmeird. The Left is made up of statists who think it’s all about having the right people in charge. When their people are in charge, everything is A-OK regardless of what the hell they’re doing.

        1. Exactly. They are quick to tell you about the “greedy corporations”, but they really love monopolies because they are easy to unionize. They talk out of both sides of their asses. What they are really hoping for, here, is more unionized, government TSA workers.

          1. They talk out of both sides of their asses.

            That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard all day.

            1. If it didn’t involve me losing more liberties, I’d pay to see that.

      3. Could you imagine Slate saying this if Bush was president?

        You don’t really have to imagine. He wasn’t quite as in-your-face about it, but he already had a hard-on for the scanners back in 2007. So at least he’s consistent.

        1. I don’t doubt that, but if all of this was going down under Bush the way it is now, most of these same papers would be calling the TSA Bush’s Brownshirts and would have all sorts of faux outrage on their editorial pages about the whole thing. They would be fuming worse about this then they did about the Patriot Act and Military Tribunals which they’ve become a lot less worried about under Obama. I’m not disagreeing with you about Bush, but Welch’s premise that these papers aren’t a bunch of lefties (which I assume he means by “liberal”, hard to tell on this site) doesn’t really hold up to history.

          1. Eh, the Senate Democrats were actually falling all over themselves to criticize the TSA under Bush… when it decided to allow nail clippers and other small knives.

            I think some Democrats view being tough on travelers as a way to seem tough on terrorism in lieu of supporting war.

            1. It’s the same phenomenon that we see in liberal support for gun control. It’s much easier to get tough on law-abiding citizens than on actual criminals.

              1. Maybe you don’t get out to lefty blogs much, but we are complaining, a lot.

      4. I wouldn’t ‘blame the left’. Judging by the Great Orange Satan (DailyKos), the left is just as pissy about this as the right.

        Saletan shouldn’t be considered the ‘left’ — he’s a contrarian, and spends most of his time writing “Why can’t we all just get along” pieces on abortion (wherein he suggests ‘compromises’ between completely fictional pro-life and pro-choice actors, complete with purely fictional beliefs) and mulling about anal sex.

        He’s a tool. Poking around the more liberal blogs, they pretty much ALL seem to be angry about this.

        Kevin Drum seems to be about the only big-name left blogger who takes the “What’s the big fuss?” side, and he not only starts by noting it’s not a popular view on the left, but gets roasted in his own comment sections.

  18. Ladies and Gentlemen…..I give you the voice of “sanity”.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.c…..ed_it.html

    I wonder if they felt down around her cloven hooves?

  19. What also amazes me is the total self defeating stupidity of these people. The whole country is pissed off about this. This is a situation that screams for a bit of yellow journalism and rabble rousing for the sake of moving product. Look at the hits and money Matt Drudge is getting off of this. But the legacy media is so dogmatic and so committed to to a particular mindset, they will support this shit even if it means further alienating their dwindling customer base.

    1. As Epi said earlier, the legacy media can’t die fast enough. This entire story was broken by ordinary people recording encounters with the TSA goons, and Drudge eventually linking those videos. And instead of following up those citizen accounts with an investigation of their own, the newspapers are acting as apologists for the TSA’s behavior. I hope Drudge is making a killing off this.

    2. This is a situation that screams for a bit of yellow journalism and rabble rousing for the sake of moving product.

      I think they got that out of their system with the Four Loko shit the last couple of weeks. Give them a few days–their refractory period isn’t what it used to be.

    3. The “legacy media” is not being stupid about this at all. They have only one friend left in this society, and they’re making sure to support that friend whenever possible.

      1. Yeah, like “can we have some hand-outs or tax breaks now that will allow us to keep our jobs?”

  20. “if you don’t support these screenings than obviously you want to get on a plane with everyone unscreened at all.”

    Actually, I’m okay with that.

    1. Me too…if a terrorist get past security, so can a ex-green berert with a grudge against terrorists and a 50 cal.

      1. Yes, a pitched battle aboard an Embreer commuter jet will solve everything.

        1. If a terrorist gets beaten to death by the passengers, won’t that “send a mesasage” ?

        2. a pitched battle aboard an Embreer commuter jet will solve everything

          Not everything, but it’ll sure make up for the lack of an on-board movie or WiFi.

          1. Don’t worry, the cramped seats in the embreer is a saftey feature – terrorist can’t reach the detonate button on their device.

    2. Yeah, put me in the unscreened, all Muslim line for all that matters. I’m not being sarcastic here. I’m no more worried about a terrorist attack on my flight then I am about driving on the freeway or any other activity where there’s some risk involved. I mean are crap makes me just want to fuckin’ smack the shit out of everybody.

  21. God I need to cancel my paper. I don’t even know what the Chicago Sun-times had to say on this, because I didn’t take a single issue out of the bags they arrived in this weekend. I do the crosswords on occasion…

    1. I downloaded an android app called Shortyz which gives you about 15 daily crossword puzzles, including the Chicago Sun-times.

      Just a heads up.

      1. I just canceled the subscription.

        I’ve used the Acrosslite PC-based crossword reader in the past – think I’ll go back to that. Don’t have one of them new-fangled internet phone things, yet…

        1. Isn’t the Sun-Times crossword actually the NYT crossword?

  22. More Atlas Shrugged come to life. Remember how the government basically told the press what to print? Yep, it’s like that.

    1. It’s worse. The government doesn’t have to tell them.

      1. What did George Carlin call them? An unofficial public relations agency for the government?

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDkhzHQO7jY

  23. I can’t believe these wishy-washy enablers of terrorism op-ed writers.

    Haven’t they read The Puppet Masters The bomb toting terrorists, like the slug controlled humans in the novel, could best be identified by forcing everybody in society to walk around nude.

    Nothing is stopping the terrorists from detonating an underwear bomb at a football game, the symphony, Wal-Mart or the DMV. Government enforced nudity is the only answer if we really want to be safe.

  24. If all this bullshit went away, and we magically reverted to 1960-level airplane passenger screening, I’d fly again.

    And I’d still be more likely to be killed and eaten by a bear than to be blown out of the sky by IslamoTerror fiends.

    1. Plus, if we went back to 60’s rules, the planes would have smoking sections again. Bonus!

  25. So, because people are risking their lives to fight against terrorists overseas so we can be free (or whatever), we ought to do our part by being so scared shitless of the remote possibility of terrorism that we let the government do whatever it wants to us?

    1. Exactly. The only way to preserve freedom is to abolish liberty.

    2. The f*cked up part is that Soldiers are required to go through the TSA BS, too.

      See these links:

      http://www.redstate.com/erick/…..a-outrage/

      http://www.saysuncle.com/2010/…..ure-doing/

      To recap: If you’re flying to Iraq or Afghanistan to fight terrorists, TSA will treat you as a potential terrorist. No exceptions.

      (How do I know? I had to go through this crap each time I’ve deployed (heading out, and coming back). And, yeah, it’s pretty much the “Welcome home, here’s a slap in the face” one would expect to receive from TSA.)

  26. More evidence for Radley Balko’s thesis that the media is more statist than liberal

    Why can’t they be both? American left-liberalism is authoritarian by nature. Why do you Reason editors always act so surprised by this?

    1. Cuz a liberal still has some notion of individual liberty.

      a left wing statist does not.

      Matt could have easily wrote:

      “media is more left wing than liberal”

      1. Cuz a liberal still has some notion of individual liberty.

        Only when it comes to artsy fartsy shit. And even then, it’s not absolute, not if it contains cruelty to animals, exploitation of women and children, or severe violence. Don’t forget about the kids, Man.

        1. Yep, exactly. It’s just playing with semantics to say “a liberal has some respect for individual liberty.” Because no — the thing we call “liberal” now means left-wing statist. What it used to mean doesn’t matter.

    2. Because the actual definition of the word liberal is “of freedom.” Somewhere along the way Americans started mis-using it to describe socialists or leftists in general. I blame the idiots on AM talk radio. We should stop using the word as a curse, instead use Socialist, Statist, Leftist, Authoritarian, whatever.. these are more accurate anyway.

      1. Actually, after 1917 socialists started calling themselves liberals to avoid being lumped in with the Communists. Classical liberals were already a dying breed at that point so there wouldn’t have been much resistance.

        1. Didn’t they first go to progressive? Then when that became a dirty word, they changed to liberal (because it was popular) and now that they’ve ruined Liberal their going back to progressive? We should just stop letting them define their own name and just start calling them dicks.

          1. The original Progressives were a different movement. I would link to Wikipedia’s “progressivism” article but it is exceptionally poorly written; for example, they identify Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, and Lyndon Johnson as being part of the same movement.

          2. Progressivism Mk I was more of a stuffy middle class technocrat movement, which is why its defining policy was the abominable failure we refer to as Prohibition.

            1. It was a lot more centered around rural populations as well; that ended around the time the Wobblies began trying to tear the social order and cohesion of the small farm towns apart, by fomenting discord and mistrust among residents.

              Modern leftism has largely been centered around inner-city ethnic groups and white-bread social elites ever since FDR. It’s the main reason the modern Democrats show so much contempt for “hicks.”

  27. I am wondering why they don’t use sonar rather then Xrays.

    I mean a bat can distinguish types of bugs from a 100 feet away…why the fuck can’t humans use it to see through cotton?

    1. Because a bat doesn’t use his sonar to “see through” things but rather to simply locate them, range them and to differentiate their sizes. The bat’s ability to do this is degraded by anything that is between him and his target. Furthermore, the bat’s aural receptors and its brain are a far superior receiver/computer than anything Dell or Cray are ever going to make.

      The answer to your question can also be illustrated by these facts: Medical ultrasound exams are not done through clothing because it degrades the image and some of them are done with internally-placed sound transmitters to eliminate the imaging difficulty caused by otherwise interposed adipose tissue (fat). Submarine sonographers are hampered by something so seemingly inconspicuous as the varying temperatures and salt concentrations of the waters they bounce their sound waves through (though they have pretty sophisticated means of compensating for this). Submarines in fact use the varying temperature strata in the water to help conceal themselves from enemy sonar.

      Short answer – the cotton screws sonar up and cotton doesn’t do doodly to xray.

    2. Because a bat doesn’t use his sonar to “see through” things but rather to simply locate them, range them and to differentiate their sizes. The bat’s ability to do this is degraded by anything that is between him and his target. Furthermore, the bat’s aural receptors and its brain are a far superior receiver/computer than anything Dell or Cray are ever going to make.

      The answer to your question can also be illustrated by these facts: Medical ultrasound exams are not done through clothing because it degrades the image and some of them are done with internally-placed sound transmitters to eliminate the imaging difficulty caused by otherwise interposed adipose tissue (fat). Submarine sonographers are hampered by something so seemingly inconspicuous as the varying temperatures and salt concentrations of the waters they bounce their sound waves through (though they have pretty sophisticated means of compensating for this). Submarines in fact use the varying temperature strata in the water to help conceal themselves from enemy sonar.

      Short answer – the cotton screws sonar up and cotton doesn’t do doodly to xray.

  28. Welch is afraid that they’ll scan his head and reveal that his brain is even smaller than his dick.

    1. Old Mexican….you want me to do it?

      1. Max….that’s a good boy….good Yorkie! Speak! Speak!

      2. Re: fish,

        Old Mexican….you want me to do it?

        Go ahead. Thx.

    2. FYI: You just said Matt has a huge dick.

      1. +++

    3. I just got an e-mail alert that you’re meds are low. Come to my office at once.

      And bring your mother.

      1. That’s Dr. Katz, right?

        1. He’s got his wee-wee stuck in a jar of Jif Extra Crunchy. Again.

          *sigh*

    4. Shut your piehole and get back to licking my boots.

    5. Is it true that Max herds sheep?

      1. No, but he helps them over fences.

        1. No, he HURTS sheep

    6. Can’t be a real Max post… not one word about the bogus Ron Paul racist newsletters.

      Either that, or he’s run out of peanut butter.

  29. Welcome to the intersection of police power, blind multicult PC stupidity, and crony capitalism (e.g. Michael Chertoff and the OPI scanner corporation).

    Thought experiment: suppose that all of the air “incidents” that prompted heightened TSA scrutiny were caused by Klan members. Would the LA Times still be cool with an official TSA policy that subjected 84-year old black grandmothers to mandatory body searches, as not to unfairly stigmatize the white supremicist community?

    1. Shoe polish brother. Shoe polish.

    2. You are forgetting shoe polish.

    3. Assuming you’re favoring singling out Muslims for screening, the analogue would be singling out white people for scanning, as white supremacists generally don’t wear nametags indicating them as such.

    4. Yeah Dave, they’d probably do the same bullshit mis-direction play about “profiling” that the current MSM is doing, by pretending the only type of profiling possible is by race, or gender, or religion (although how you tell a methodist from an episcopalian is lost on them, I’m sure). Better that than have an actual discussion about behavioral profiling, and its 20 year successful track record for the Israelis.

      Sure, take a bit to implement, but relying on passengers to beat the crap outta anyone starting some shit inflight with seat belt extensions and aluminum coffee pots seems like a good stopgap in the meantime.

  30. So what are tehy gonna do when the glaringly obvious (as in: the next attack will not be in the air) happens?

    Oh, right – they’re not doing this for security’s sake. Silly me.

  31. Those words could just as easily have been written by the underwear bomber. Research the airports, look for the weak link, and pray that you don’t have to go through a scanner that can see what’s between your legs.

    Seeing as the underwear bomber didn’t even have a passport, and was on a terrorist watch list, I don’t think millimeter-wave scanners were the only thing standing between him and the interior of an airplane.

    1. Apparently the official line at TSA is that 9-11 was caused by box cutters.

    2. The guy’s father went to the US embassy and told them he thought his son was a terrorist. And the idiots at the embassy never passed the information along to CBP or the FBI. Because of that, we now all have to be strip searched to fly. Yeah, that makes sense.

      1. Not to mention that there’s not a single one of these TSA goons stationed at Schipol Airport in the Netherlands, his point of departure for the attempt. . .

      2. Who you gonna trust, some nutcase “father” or a machine?

  32. You plebians need to shut the hell up and accept your TSA urine-soaked humilations for the good of the state.

  33. More evidence for Radley Balko’s thesis that the media is more statist than libera

    Again, the concepts are not mutually exclusive. The media is statist and liberal.

    The modern liberal puts the lionshare of his faith in public institutions. That philosophy begets authoritarian statism.

    1. And conservatives don’t?

      (Ahem, ICE, Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office, the DEA, etc.) Tell me, how is it not authoritarian to give the government tell businesses who they can and can’t hire and hunt down people with lapsed or no paperwork like animals and rip apart their families?

      1. And if the Bush Administration was the ones administering this, do you have any doubt Rush, Hannity, etc. would not be sucking TSA dick and reminding us about how we should support the troops?

        Everything is so fucking weird these days.

  34. Oh, by the way, Wednesday is National Opt Out Day. If you’re flying, make sure you opt out of the scanner. We want to make sure Dina Temple-Rastin misses her fucking flight.

  35. Somebody’s come up with the perfect solution to “enhanced” pat downs:

    The True Scotsman!

  36. Add Time magazine to the list.

    It wouldn’t be a total oversimplification to boil the issue down to a single question: would you rather get screened or blown up? The new TSA whole-body scanning machines are designed to catch potentially deadly threats ? like, say, explosive chemicals in underwear ? that metal detectors miss. The end result should be a safer flight. It’s a no-brainer.

    Would you rather have a fluffy, cuddly puppy, or be thrown in a wood chipper?

    Those are the only two choices you have!!

    She actually goes on to quote an “expert” who apparently is more than a little fuzzy about that whole “probability” thing.

    But then, risk perception isn’t just about thinking. It’s about feeling too. And in this case, what feels right…resisting a procedure that could keep us safer…may actually make things worse.

    Being worried about something with a 100% chance of happening is silly, while being insufficiently terrified of something with an infinitesimal chance of happening is crazy.

    1. Like the Eddie Izzard joke: cake or death?

    2. “And in this case, what feels right…resisting a procedure that could keep us safer…may actually make things worse.”

      Resisting this will only make things worse for yourselves. Wow.

    3. Delightful. Apparently, to this expert, there is no security measure that is too intrusive or degrading, because any security measure “could keep us safer.”

      Apparently, the notion that some of us want to be kept safe from pron-scan and groping GS-8s never even crosses this expert’s mind.

      1. I think I’d like to “opt out” of the whole SAFETY ABOVE ALL ELSE trend.

        1. Where’s the sign-up sheet for that opt out? Because I am so there. People tell me that you can’t be too careful, that overly cautious is better than dead, and I just think “what’s the fucking difference there?”

          1. This calls for Fight Club: “On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.”

      2. There’s also no notion of opportunity cost either; there’s apparently no possible better use of time or money.

        When you argue that something has a tiny benefit, you also have to consider what ELSE you could be doing with it. Even if the extra security helped with terrorism somehow, it still wouldn’t be the best use of the money– especially because the marginal safety is probably equally by the tiny increase in cancers anyway.

    4. Journalism majors must spend at least an entire semester learning weasel words and evasive language.

      “The new TSA whole-body scanning machines are designed to catch potentially deadly threats”

      “The end result should be a safer flight.”

      “resisting a procedure that could keep us safer”

  37. What is the term for a male who believes he is a woman in a man’s body? I want to know so I can claim to be one if selected for enhanced security measures. If someone’s fondling by nutsack I want a woman.

    Plus it has the added bonus of getting the women closer to quitting. I think if they’re going to act stupidly to force us to accept their policies we should act in kind.

    1. I’ve been wondering about all the “same sex screener” nonsense. As if homosexuality doesn’t exist and there is no way the pat down people are getting wood from patting down another guy. Kind of like how we only allow female gym teachers in the girls’ locker room because a man might get aroused…

      1. I was going to say that’s silly, because professionals like doctors don’t get aroused by their jobs. But then I remembered we’re talking about the TSA.

    2. The word is “transgendered,” and it goes both ways.

  38. I just had a chat with my mole in the lefty meme factory, and the spin they’re feeding TEAM BLUE! voters?who, unlike the TEAM! itself, won’t just come right out and be all YAY STASI…yet?is that protests against TSA cock-juggling and nudie scans come from “red-state prudes” who think people they’re not married to shouldn’t be allowed to see their balls and tits.

    Coming soon to a thread near you (if it hasn’t already)!

    1. That’s only going to fly with the die-hard partisan Democrats and Obamabots. No one who is a self-described liberal to socialist on the political spectrum thinks that feeling up granny makes anyone safer. Sure they’re for big government, but they’re for the cuddly sort of big government. In their eyes, the government is supposed to protect privacy, not enable corporations to invade it while invoking “terrorism”.

      1. I think the left wing who are not on board with this (from viewing Daily Kos) think the policy is a big invasion of rights, but are focused a little more on bashing right wing advocacy for racial profiling and privatization schemes. The “at least the invasive, sucky gov policy is not racist and the people groping me aren’t corporate shills” argument.

      2. They are the same people who brought us speech codes on campus, hate speech laws in Canada and Europe and anywhere that the first amendment does not apply, and hate crimes legislation everywhere in between. Except for the very few like Greenwald and Nat Hentoff whose primary concern is civil liberties, they are so wishy washy and inconsistent on civil liberties you really can’t take their opposition to this at face value. If it means more public sector jobs for people of their class disposition than they are civil liberties be damned types to the maximum, and comprise the vanguard of those who assault them.

    2. Yeah, that red-state prudes notion is the meme they’re trotting out; I’ve already run into that line of reasoning from lefties who really should know better.

      I mean, speaking as a blue-state slut, y’know what? It’s up to me who sees my boobs or grabs my crotch. Cause dude, it doesn’t matter if I fuck a hundred guys a day, for pay or for fun, I still get to say no to number 101 if I choose to.

      Man, the commies I know really hate being forced to answer to that kind of statement, because it’s a no-win for them; it’s pretty entertaining watching them squirm.

    3. I think there is definitely something appealing to lefties in this (or any) ritual of passing through a great leveling, small “d” democratic government queue. The same way the egalitarianism of standing in line at the DMV, Post Office, Social Security admin, hospital waiting room, or draft line is somehow an end in itself.

      Whether or not the procedure is actually necessary for the stated security purpose is still worth discussing as an intellectual matter, but even if it isn’t actually needed, the ritual of bowing, en masse, to the state, is not without merit. The fact that it requires a hands-on, bodily examination that sophisticated, atheistic, moderns should hardly notice, but that sets the proles on edge, is a bonus. It is like an Orwellian denaturing of normal sexual instincts. Who’s in control of sex, touching, privacy? Big Sis, that’s who. They offer a little comfort with the fact that the screenings are same-sex, but just for now. That too will go soon enough. Watching middle America, rubes, righties, team redders, etc, squirm is worth biting their tongue a little, or at least tempering their protest a bit, just to watch them be uncomfortable…

      There is also something deeply religious going on here too, which may account for the more visceral negative reactions. People’s spidey-senses may be tingling and they may feel, even if they don’t fully realize, that someone is trying to force a religion on them. The physical nature of the ritual: partial disrobing in public, being guided through a ritual by an authority while being watched by your peers. This is all culturally very familiar, and very, very old. The scanning of the “naked” body is ritualized bathing and purification. Ritualistic public ablution and baptism. Standing with arms out, magnetometer passing over you in the sign of the cross: communion. The only thing missing is the wafer. The semi-optional private screening room: confession. Testing, with magical, secretive criteria, by unquestionable priests and hidden authority, with rejection or validation at immediate stake. And like most religions, failure or refusal to be properly initiated leads to death by fire.

      1. I don’t think being “atheistic” has anything to do with whether or not someone will “hardly notice” if someone is touching their junk.

        Absent physical injury, anyone would notice if someone grabbed their crotch.

        1. I wrote “sophisticated, atheistic, moderns should hardly notice”

          I think some lefties aspire to a condition where such primitive modesty doesn’t register, even if in the here and now, they don’t personally like their junk being groped.

          I’m thinking the TSA appeals to a certain type the same way the promise of Soviet style sexual “egalitarianism” was appealing to some – a new thing in the world, Soviet man type stuff; sophisticated, scientific, with a mission and no archaic moral hang ups. Like the LA Times says, we’ve got a country to secure, shut up and get in the scanner.

          (The atheistic thing is a minor point – just trying to highlight the differences many lefties see between themselves and the bible-thumping team red Other.)

  39. Now the American Federation of Government Employees is whining that its poor TSA members are the abused ones:

    TSA workers face verbal abuse from travelers

    Not even in the same universe as having your body fondled.

    And of course everyone heard about this:

    Michigan Bladder Cancer Survivor Says TSA Search Left Him Covered in Urine

  40. Now the American Federation of Government Employees is whining that its poor TSA members are the abused ones:

    TSA workers face verbal abuse from travelers

    Not even in the same universe as having your body fondled.

    And of course everyone heard about this:

    Michigan Bladder Cancer Survivor Says TSA Search Left Him Covered in Urine

  41. Now the American Federation of Government Employees is whining that its poor TSA members are the abused ones:

    TSA workers face verbal abuse from travelers

    Not even in the same universe as having your body fondled.

  42. Does anyone know the term for a male trapped in a female’s body (no sex surgery)? I’d really prefer a woman juggling my nutsack.

    In a rare instance where the cost – benefit analysis runs all the same way, this will probably also cause female TSA agents with whom I come in contact (ha ha) to dislike the policy slightly more. It’s great when I can help everyone understand the horror of the system. I’m all about helping others.

    1. “Transgendered” is the general term. If the person were planning or hoping to get the surgery, s/he would be a “pro-op male-to-female (MTF) transsexual.”

  43. Now the American Federation of Government Employees is whining that its poor TSA members are the abused ones:

    http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/40318901/ns/travel-news/

    Not even in the same universe as having your body fondled.

    And of course everyone heard about this:

    Michigan Bladder Cancer Survivor Says TSA Search Left Him Covered in Urine

  44. Now the American Federation of Government Employees is whining that its poor TSA members are the abused ones:

    today.msnbc.msn.com/id/40318901/ns/travel-news/

    Not even in the same universe as having your body fondled.

    And of course everyone heard about this:

    Michigan Bladder Cancer Survivor Says TSA Search Left Him Covered in Urine

    1. Now the American Federation of Government Employees is whining that its poor TSA members are the abused ones

      Well, just as those pervs are telling us “if you don’t like it don’t fly” I tell them “if you don’t like it go back to the fucking Burger King”.

  45. Let’s consider these searches the 21st-century equivalent of a WWII rationing card.

    I wish that the utterly stupid notion that “if we did it in tha Big One Dubya-Dubya Two then it’s good and we should repeat it” could die the ignominious death that it deserves.

    1. You know who else wanted to repeat what was done in the previous world war…

  46. I don’t have a problem with complying with government. Neither should you.

    1. Only a Christ-fag Limbaughite would complain about being “groped” by TSA employees.

      1. What they said!

        1. I’ve come back from exile to agree with these fine fellows.

  47. A lot of these editorials also reveal what these guys really think of the First Amendment: not only should everyone submit to these outrages, they should do so quietly. Leave free speech to the experts!

    1. This is sort of a “the science is settled” kinda thing going on here, I believe.

  48. You know who else is more authoritarian than they are liberal?

    Fucking Communist. Is it just a coincidence?

    Some or our more sophisticated viewers may scoff at the idea that Communist are still a problem. Communism died in 1989. Did it though? I don’t recall a mass purge that ended with the death of millions of communist. Missed that news day! They had to go somewhere, and the editorial boards of our nation’s newspapers seem as good a hiding place as any. In plain site!

  49. I’d love to pair up those quotes with anti-Patriot Act hysteria from the same papers, standing up for your grandma to be free of government intrusion just because she’s calling the number of a known al-Qaeda cell in Hamburg, like any grandma.

  50. TSA=Tough Shit, America

  51. And when a terrorist shoves a kilo of PETN up his ass and brings down a jet, what then?

    1. In a rational world: Profiling
      In ours: Gynecological and colonoscopy screening (maybe sold as part of the health care reform)

    2. What about a terrorist with 10 pounds of C4 sewn into his body? No cavity search is ever going to find that.

      So, X-Rays for everyone?

      1. Oh, Jeez.

        So some fat old Saudi grandpa decides he wants some of that hot 72-virgins action. Liposuction with a twist, replacing rolls of fat with pounds of C4. Nonmetallic primacord up to the detonator under his collarbone.

        Pings the metal detector. “Sorry, it’s my pacemaker. See, here’s my letter from the doc and everything.”

        At 30,000 feet, goes to the aft lav, pinches the right spot on his collarbone, blows the tail off the airplane.

        Can’t be stopped even if everyone on the plane flies buck naked. He’s got an interesting scar? Car crash, pacemaker, whatever.

        Four choices:
        1) full-body CAT scans before boarding
        2) lose a plane to terrorism once in a while
        3) ban aviation altogether
        4) get better at profiling

  52. Anyone at Reason care to use their resources to find out what position each of these publications took on the matter of ‘warrantless wiretaps.’

  53. It seems that this scanner would not have caught the fruit-of-kaboom bomber.

    http://www.popularmechanics.co…..=pm_latest

  54. I’d much rather be in an aircraft in which I was assured that all occupants were armed.

  55. I want to fly certified Muhammadan-free.

  56. It’s interesting that the same editorials tended to present the Arizona immigration law as a gestapo-like intrusion on fundamental human rights because it required people to present an ID when stopped with probable cause are defending the random groping and viewing of naked 4 year olds for “security”

  57. And that statist rag, The Honolulu Star-Advertiser, of course fellated the government, too:

    “Alarmist arguments that the process violates the constitutional protection against unreasonable searches are off-base because of new levels of terrorist threats … The scans are not as intrusive as many seem to imagine.”

    Yeah, naked pictures being viewed by strangers being paid with money coerced from you … not TOO intrusive. Just the right amount of intrusive.

  58. Editors of these Newspapers are IDIOTS. These scanners and the groping aren’t make anyone safer on that aircraft.

    This FAUX SECURITY has got to STOP and we must begin “scanning” for potential Terrorists, not diaper bombs.

  59. Editors of these Newspapers are IDIOTS. These scanners and the groping aren’t make anyone safer on that aircraft.

    This FAUX SECURITY has got to STOP and we must begin “scanning” for potential Terrorists, not diaper bombs.

  60. I went on a trip earlier this year with a bunch of retired corporate, life-long (now former) Republicans.

    When I remarked how absurd it was that a (70-year-old female) member of our party was taken aside for questioning regarding the sewing scissors in her purse, the rest of the group lit into me. This was their big chance to “share in the sacrifice” in the war on terror. How dare I not be willing to share too!

    I’m telling you – the lefties have to have focused grouped this. They’re sticking to their guns for a reason – it’s not like they could possibly love the policy.

  61. How about an airline that profiles intelligently, like El Al?

  62. … and their problem with showing identification to vote — or illegals possibly being asked to show identification — is WHAT????????

  63. I thought the First Rule of TSA Club was don’t talk about TSA Club?

  64. In Aug of 2009 a guy packed his rectum with explosives for an assasination attempt on the Saudi Interior Minister. He detonated but did not kill his target. It was a pretty clever plot, well executed but not quite enough explosive in an open room. To read about it Google “detonator inserten in his rectum”. Wait till the TSA hears about this. Their treatment of people with prosthetics is now justified by them claiming that Al Qaeda has spoken of using prosthetics to house bombs. Al Qaeda claimed that they would make butt bomb plans available on the internet. TSA is not just a reactive organization but a delayed reactive orginization. They need to man up and profile and leave the vast majority of us pretty much alone.

  65. Didn’t the media make a stink about the government doing just about ANYTHING under George W. Bush? Remember how the government was going to know what books you checked out of the library? There was a constant freaking out about civil liberties being violated. Now, somehow the media doesn’t care about all that stuff. So what, you get groped and touched and viewed naked. No big deal. Somehow I think if Bush were still in power, it would be a HUGE deal.

  66. It’s dehumanizing, I tells you.

  67. As I mentioned yesterday, Pistole’s bureaucratic logic is impeccable. As this is the same logic used by the professional classes and other mid-level functionaries like newspaper editors, it is no surprise that the editorial boards agree with him.

    Security must always be increased, and be seen to be increased. And so it will be. To not do so endangers too many agendas.

  68. Maybe if the government were offering some type of handout on the planes (food stamps, welfare checks, free citizenship, government subsidized peanuts etc.) then BO would be more interested in ending these onerous invasions of one’s privates…

  69. I would like to inquire of those that feel that having yourself radiated and naked scanned and groped why do you feel that this makes for a safe flight? At the Richmond Airport I am always “randomly” selected for naked radiation or groping because of my ample bosom. I am never allowed to go through the metal detector whereas my husband always sails right through undeterred. The last time out I selected the groping as I have had enough of them filling me with radiation. I had the intimate pat down along with the standard batting around of my large breasts. I was wearing an ill- fitting bra on that day as women with large breasts find it hard to get a perfect fit. There is a gap between me and my bra that could only be felt if the TSA agent went up underneath my bra. I could have concealed something in that area. Once on my plane I relayed the story to the lady next to me. She stated that she was let through with a huge can of hairspray and her Zippo lighter. So here I sat between the potential hairspray incinerator and my husband who had not been groped and could have had anything on him. I didn’t feel one bit safer because of the procedures in place. The radiation chamber and the groping would not have caught anything inside my body. So either way I could have boarded the plane with potential bomb making equipment inside of me. I’m under no delusions here. If only a few are required to go through these procedures how does that make you feel secure? You might feel secure in your person after being radiated but the lady sitting next to you only had to go through the metal detector?.so this is your security blanket.

  70. Imagine the editorial outrage at TSA if a Republican was in the White House.

    Statists perhaps; reliable partisan hacks for certain.

  71. If Adolph Hitler flew in today, then send a limousine anyway,

  72. This would all be well and good if the security measures did not create greater vulnerabilities. The procedures create a bottleneck and a concentration of bodies. These kinds of bottlenecks were effectively exploited by the Serbs to terrorize Bosnians during the war in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Remember what Ben Franklin said, “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety “. These “safety” measures do not really make us safe in the long run, but they do make us a little less free in tiny, easy to swallow increments.

  73. Yet another statist-dimwit anonymous editorial supporting the scan-or-molest regime came from the Long Beach Press-Telegram on 16 November, and concluded that passengers should just “grin and bear it.”

    I’ll bet they say that to all the rape victims, too.

  74. Check out this editorial from one of my local TV stations, also in the “bend over and take it, ya whiny crybaby” mold. While you are watching, imagine the speaker has the soup-strainer on his lip that he had until just a few years ago. Who does he resemble? Hi-diddly-ho neighbor! Imagine his doppelganger giving this editorial on Springfield Cable Access Television. The mental image is priceless. D’oh!

    http://www.ksbw.com/video/25841810/detail.htm

  75. I hate pests. My neighbor just had nobugsnopests.com come to his house. Have you ever heard of them?

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