California: Don't Legalize Pot, Tax It Anyway
Different sets of voters, undoubtedly, but an interesting look at what California's pot future will be like if a local-option initiative such as Proposition 19 succeeds in the future:
Even though voters soundly rejected Proposition 19, cities around California managed to win approval for plans to tax marijuana.
The measures were mostly contingent on Proposition 19 passing, so it's doubtful they will have much effect unless pot legalization backers make another stab at a ballot measure sometime in the future.
La Puente voters approved two measures. One would have allowed the city to tax businesses that sell marijuana. The other would allow the city to impose taxes on medical marijuana establishments.
Sacramento and Rancho Cordova approved similar pot-tax measures. The Sacramento measure would have allowed a tax of up to 10% on recreational pot businesses.
San Jose voters also approved a pot sales tax of up to 10% to fund "essential City services such as police, fire, emergency response, street maintenance, pothole repair"
Look for a longer article on the rise and fall of 19 from me later in the week on Reason Online.
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Jesus in a piss jar, Californians are dumb as posts!
Burn it to the ground, there's no hope for it now.
If you own a pet, I'll tax your pet.
If you need a vet, I'll tax your vet.
If you smoke some pot, I'll tax your pot.
If you smoke a lot, I'll tax a lot.
Taxman!
A toker friend of mine in CA voted no on 19 because he said that "they just want to legalize it so they can tax it, man." I need smarter friends.
Why do you think they call it dope?
Well, I dunno. I would prefer decriminalization to legalization.
If growing, selling, and using cannabis were decriminalized, then people would grow, sell, and use cannabis as they please.
If it's "legalized" then that means the state takes control of it, creating licenses, taxes, regulations. You'd have to get permission to grow it (not everyone would) sell it (not everyone would), or use it (maybe not everyone would).
Knowing California, they'd probably create a new agency or bureau to do all this regulating. It would be staffed by hundreds of people demanding six figure salaries and huge guaranteed pensions. Do you really want cannabis to be "legalized" in a state that has a Bureau of Electronic and Appliance Repair, Home Furnishings and Thermal Insulation?
Yes, that's exactly what they want. They'll happily trade some of their freedoms and create a whole new tax bureaucracy for the "right" to get high.
Holy crap.
BEARHFTI
That's like a real, actual thing that exists? I love checking in on H&R comment threads exactly for stuff like this. The disorientation and utter speechlessness I experience is often on par with being completely stoned out of my gourd. Keep it coming.
I think the rural electrification administration still exists.
Decriminalization would be better but that wasn't on the table. As it is, my friend may have to pay taxes on it anyway. You don't think that it would be better to legalize it and pay taxes on it than to have it remain illegal?
You could have grown your own or bought a pack at the approved weed store. Wouldn't it be nice to sit back in your living room and burn the fern while having the peace of mind that comes with the fact that you know you're not breaking the law?
Right now in California it's barely illegal.
I was kinda hoping that 19 would pass simply to say that a majority of the voting populous of a huge state was anti-drug-war. Eh, at least I can say that 45% or so of them are.
"Decriminalized" just means "no longer a crime", not "made legal". Usually that means it's still a violation, just not a criminal one.
Your friend may not be as dumb as you think, considering his objective appears to be avoiding taxes.
Still, were I in California, I would have actually voted. Yes on Prop 19, Cthulhu or ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD on everything else.
What CA needs is a nice punitive tax on medical marijuana to fund the extra police that are needed to properly control all the phony doctors prescribing it, and all the guys smoking it to "control their anxiety".
Why yes, I'll just mosey on down to the courthouse with my fresh new bag of dope and pay the tax on it. That'll work out great.
It's on the honor system. I can't imagine that prospective purchasers wouldn't go to the approved sellers and pay a tax rather than to their usual tax-free source who will sell them whatever they want, regardless of whether they're 21 years old or within 1000 yards of a school.
Well, the IRS requires that you report income from illegal activities, why not the State of California?
If it were imposed by the same jurisdiction that made it illegal, it'd be another matter. But I don't see why the municipal taxes don't apply to activity that's illegal under state law just as much to business that's legal by state law.
Prop 19 came too soon after medical marijuana. Give it time...when the state doesn't implode because of pot (but rather because of pols), they'll realize it's no big deal.
If/when it does implode because of pols, you know they'll blame it on pot and a lot of voters will buy it.
14 years is too soon?
Does this mean if you get busted now in one of these cities that you have to pay a tax on your stash as well as whatever fine or jailtime you incur? Will the tax be on what you actually paid or what they deem it is worth? I guess you'll have to ask for a receipt to avoid paying tax on the outrageous street value the cops would assign any amount.
Well, this initiative ended up exactly where I predicted it would.
And no, people weren't "afraid of reprisals against their families" by telling pollsters they were for it.
Different sets of voters, undoubtedly
Only 4% of that "different" should be "undoubted." That's within the margin of derp.
And it's deep within the margin of pothead derp.
The people that think there is even the slimmest possibility that marijuana--decriminalized or legalized--won't be taxed are trippin' balls: Marijuana is taxed in some states even while completely illegal.
That started back in the early 80s. It was a ploy by law enforcement to double-up on criminal charges.
The thinking was that if they busted you for marijuana, boom, possession charge. Then they'd check the records to see if you'd paid your tax on it. Boom, tax evasion.
---"Then they'd check the records to see if you'd paid your tax on it. Boom, tax evasion."---
Me, to judge: "But your Honor, my connection told me that they price included all applicable taxes."
I can see Cali supporting a measure to keep marijuana illegal, but raise taxes on medical marijuana. Because the entire state is full of retarded fucks.
Why you insult retarded fucks, I have no idea.
Off topic but speaking of Cali idiocy: are they still proceeding with that fiscal boondoggle that is the high speed rail line?
Yes. It's California.
They are proceeding with spending money on who knows what, but haven't actually laid a foot of rail.
Sadly my predictions for this election were spot on (19 loses, boxer/brown wins), although it didn't take a lot of brain power to predict it. Californians are shallow. Not really stupid, just incapable of thinking before going into a voting booth. Here's an example.
One proposition called for a fee (about 18$) to be added to car registration with the proceeds to go to state parks. The upside: park admissions would be free. Voters said "no way am I paying an 18$ fee!" and the proposition failed.
Another proposition took away the 2/3 vote in the legislature required to approve the state budget. This would include any 'emergency' fees/taxes the legislature needs to include to balance the budget. Californians, after saying no way to the 18$ park fee, approved the second proposition, thereby letting the legislature to include many more (and more costly) fees/taxes next time they put together a budget.
Retarded. No, worse than retarded. I can't think of the right word to use...
I can't think of the right word to use...
Redonkulated.
(I had to look this one up..)
Exactly!! Hmmm, this captures the ridiculous aspect of it, but not the despair.
Wasn't that 2/3 majority requirement enacted under a previous ballot initiative?
The Liberal mind in a nutshell. Government revenue >> liberty.
Voting no on Prop 19 is voting yes on murdered Mexicans. Shame on people who voted no!
It sure is a good thing that high taxes don't create a black market.
This is so wrong, drug, alcohol and tobacco use is wrong. Anyone who uses them disses my lifestyle and needs to be beaten. Straight edge is the ONLY way to go. xXx
This comment sounds like it came from Nancy Pelosi, dressed in an affliction t-shirt and drinking a redbull.
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