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Wonkette: It's Even Funnier When Anyone Thinks There Is Anything Untoward About Laughing at A Woman Having Her Kid Taken From Her If You Just Don't Like Their Kind

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Wonkette: Aren't they great?

We here at this blog are not "normal humans" because we do not understand how wrenching it is to have yet another one of your children taken away from you because you are terrible, neglectful, abusing parents who go around blaming your own faults as a person responsible for taking care of children on Big Government hating your little "militia" club. Yes, it must be very wrenching for this man to have to be so unaware of the harm he is doing when he abuses his children over and over. That man is certainly the hero of this story, and so we are not allowed to make fun of Teabaggers for taking his side.

The author and commenters goes on [sic] with some incredibly mean-spirited class-based mockery that is actually kind of extraordinary–especially in the monolithic ability of people to laugh at baby snatching as long as it occurs to those kind of people. We don't like those kind of people. There is even an incredibly un-self-aware, head-up-the-ass comment…

Yes, we apologize, Brian Doherty, for not always blogging about other people's babies being "snatched." That should be the primary focus of a political blog.

And really, we should definitely ignore a mass of idiots with real political power, ESPECIALLY if those idiots say people who like The Dukes of Hazzard or Jeff Dunham are somehow more American than the rest of us. If you try to criticize those people at all, you are only doing so because you hate their income level, obviously.

But, of course, when you're a hack libertarian writer sweating to get the Teabaggers to read you and be your friend, it's important to create a dichotomy between political humor bloggers and Teabaggers. Whereas everything Teabaggers do is correct and in the interest of freedom, political humor bloggers are a strange "other" who are not even "normal humans." That's why, when a political humor blogger tries to politely defend himself in the comments of the pro-Teabagger blog post, the libertarian hack's far-right mouth-breathing commenters should tell him "I still hope you die in a fire" and send him e-mails saying, "Maybe you should go stick your arm down the drain and turn on the garbage disposal, it would be a good start." And they should say, "But to the Wonkette commenters, they're below us." You see, people you disagree with are not even human or anything like that, so it's okay to lust for their grisly deaths.

Wonkette minsunderstands–I had no intention of saying they should spend their time proving their objectivity by making fun of other people for having their baby's snatched, merely suggesting that just possibly there are some circumstances in which they might have some sympathy for someone for having their baby taken from them. Guess I was wrong!, and glad to hear that no mother anywhere deserves any sympathy for having their baby taken from them, as long as someone accused the dad of something.

And thanks for not sticking with the politeness, boss. It doesn't suit you.

Hey guess what, readers? Wonkette is capable of finding unflattering photos of people on the web! Not my best skill, I'm afraid.

To see what this is all about, see this highly updated post on a woman who had her kids taken from her because their father was accused of doing some bad stuff, as well as of being associated with Oathkeepers. A group whose highly objectionable policies include vowing as government agents to not cooperate with or enforce unconstitutional orders, an opinion so outrageous that no human consideration is due them.

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  1. What a pack of snotty little douchebags. They remind me why I avoided Capitol Hill when I lived in northern Virginia.

    -jcr

    1. >> What a pack of snotty little douchebags.

      Have you read the comments here, ever? Jeez, a lot of pot black kettle calling on all sides in this flamewar.

  2. Shorter Wonkette:

    “Nyah nyah, poopyhead!”

    1. Up yours, teabagger.

    2. They’re not upset about being called out for making fun of some mom for having her children taken away–they’re upset that Doherty appealed to their sense of common decency.

      Having common decency is apparently a disgusting, risible thing in their world, and suggesting they’d be so naive as to have common decency, much less show some, is taken as an insult.

      I know what they were saying was basically indefensible, but that’s still one of the worst responses I’ve ever seen to something like this.

      I’ve seen Max give better responses than Wonkette did to this.

      Yeah, that Max.

      1. “I’ve seen Max give better responses than Wonkette did to this.”

        ARF!ARF!ARF!ARF!ARF!ARF!ARF!ARF!ARF!ARF!

      2. they’re upset that Doherty appealed to their sense of common decency.

        Yeah, people who lack that get really nasty when you try to appeal to it.

        -jcr

      3. Yes, child abusers are such a decent, defensible bunch. Just the types we all want to run up to and hug. Especially child abusers who have had several kids taken away and keep on creating more. As if the neglect they gave the first few wasn’t enough to warrant getting the tubes tied (involuntarily if need be).

  3. And really, we should definitely ignore a mass of idiots with real political power

    Why would you ignore the dominant power structure of this country?

    1. We tried from 2000-2008, and all we have to show for it is 5,500 dead servicemembers.

  4. Yes, we apologize, Brian Doherty, for not always blogging about other people’s babies being “snatched.” That should be the primary focus of a political blog.

    Huh? How is a discussion about the powers of the state to take away children from their parents not a political discussion?

    “Oh the state destroyed a family….better not talk about that on a political blog.”

    WTF?!?

    1. Wonkette is a political blog? I thought they were a political HUMOR blog.

      Make up your minds, Wonkette.

      1. We’re The Onion Lite thank you very much. BTW I fucking love sheep!

        1. The Onion is MUCH funnier. Wonkette appears to be more like DU with “humor” of only one political stripe.

          1. A couple of years back, Mort Sahl made the observation that “humor is different today. It’s not funny.”

            In that sense, Wonkette is a humor site. But in the real world, they are clearly a bunch of Scheisskopf’s who think calling other people dumb will make people think they are smart.

        2. BTW I love fucking love sheep!

          FIFY.

    2. Dude, reading comprehension much?

      1. Well, they take themselves way too seriously to be just a humor blog, MNG.

        That, and they’re statist assholes who would likely be shrieking up a storm if the parents had been members of the Earth Liberation Front.

        1. My comment was for JC. Wonkette’s an idiot, but her point in the line he mocks was that she may not have numerous stories about baby-snatching because her blog is about politics.

          1. “Wonkette’s an idiot, but her point in the line he mocks was that she may not have numerous stories about baby-snatching because her blog is about politics.”

            The writer’s a man. An unhinged man.

      2. I don’t know…the whole paragraph is mess.

        Hard to tell what the fuck he is defending. I just picked the one that made the most sense to me and went with it.

        1. JC—see my graf about them misunderstanding me above. They are acting like its silly to say they should frequently note govt child snatchings. I was never saying they should.

          1. “That’s right: This blog MADE FUN OF TEABAGGERS for being dumb, something your Wonkette has certainly never done. HOW DARE WE?”

            Again, they’re not upset with being called out for a lack of common decency–they’re upset with you for suggesting they’d be so naive as to have common decency.

            The rest of it is about how no one else with any brains, supposedly, has any common decency either. …not even Hit & Run commenters.

            No one except you, Brian Doherty. We’re all supposed to despise you–because you have common decency and you’re not ashamed of it.

            It’s a really sick world Wonkette lives in, and anyone who’s despised in that world should be glad about it.

            1. To be fair, most Hit & Run commenters don’t have any common decency.

              1. If that’s the case (and if you take the sample from the post-Weigel commentariat, that may be true), then the staff at Wonkette being no better than the dregs of the Hit & Run commentariat isn’t anything to be proud of.

                You’re right though–to a certain extent. I can think of a handful of regular commenters around here who aren’t much better, sometimes, when they’re talking about nameless Evangelicals in the abstract…

                On the other hand, I’ve seen the Hit & Run commentariat come out against torturing terrorists on common decency grounds. I’ve seen them come out against mindlessly listing 19 year olds as “sex offenders” for having sex with their 17 year old girlfriends. I’ve seen them stand up for FLDS–people they’d hate in the abstract–when the government came and stripped them all of their children under false pretenses…

                I see Balko stand up for people accused of all sorts of heinous crimes–and I’ve seen the Hit & Run commentariat cheer him on for doing so.

                So, yeah, I’ve seen some generalized stupidity directed at certain elements of mainstream society from commenters around here, but I’ve seen us stand up for unpopular and often unsavory types too on principle. It also seems to me that the more personal it gets–the more the subject is someone with a name and a face? The more likely Hit & Run commenters are to be sensitive…

                It may have to do with our particularly libertarian reverence for individuals and individual liberty. Let’s face it, Progressives are nothing if not hostile to individual freedom… …and libertarians are nothing if not sensitive to the idea of individual freedom. I think that makes us more sensitive when we see individuals getting skewered for things like this, and over the years, I think that’s been reflected in the comments around here.

                A few gay atheists hostile to religious believers generally notwithstanding.

                1. Wonkette probably thinks the FLDS fuck-up was okay.

                  1. I’m sure.

                    So, the government threw 439 children into foster care because of a crank phone call?! So, they couldn’t produce a shred of evidence to show anyone had been abused or married under age?!

                    They don’t like FLDS. …so the government stripping 439 children away from their families was just a cause for laughter, I’m sure. I bet it being completely illegal made it even funnier.

                    Apparently, they laugh at that kind of thing. That’s what they do. That’s who they are. They laugh when children are stripped away from their parents, and they’re proud of that.

                2. “I see Balko stand up for people accused of all sorts of heinous crimes–and I’ve seen the Hit & Run commentariat cheer him on for doing so.”

                  C’mon, man. I can tell you get it because you included that all-important “accused” in there. Most of the stuff Balko puts out is about people being abused in the criminal justice system either before/during trial or as they appeal. Are you against looking at all the available evidence, preventing effectively coercive interrogations, or limitless searches? That’s the bulk of what I’ve seen Radley Balko write about.

                  1. I don’t get your point.

                    I gave a list of examples of times over the years when many in the Hit & Run commentariat have stood up for people we find distasteful, from tortured terrorists to FLDS–I could have given other examples.

                    The point is that many of us don’t pick who we like and just stand up for their rights–we pick the rights we like and stand up for ’em whether we like the person involved or not. That isn’t always true of all of us, but it’s common enough…enough that I think it’s one of our characteristics.

                    Generally speaking, we don’t laugh with glee when the rights of somebody we don’t like may have been violated. In fact, we’re quick to defend the rights of people who are disliked–but that, apparently, isn’t the way they do things at Wonkette.

                    At all.

                    If it hadn’t been detailed that this parent was an oathkeeper, if it had been written instead that the child was taken because the parent was gay, how much you wanna bet Wonkette would be singing a different tune?

                    We’re not all the same here in the Hit & Run commentariat. Some of us care about some things more than others. But generally speaking? People would be talking about parental rights in that situation–not making fun of people for having their children stripped away.

                    And Doherty?

                    I bet he’d say the exact same things about some goofy blogger making fun of parents in that situation too. ’cause I think he’s like that.

                    Not everybody in this thread would be here saying the exact same things, but I bet the general sentiment would be the same. …’cause I think we’re like that too.

    3. erm…no. The “state” didn’t destroy this family, the bonehead who thinks it’s manly to knock his girlfriend and her kids around did. How about some of that famous glibertarian “personal responsibility”? Incidentally, I’m curious to know how you folks reconcile this dude’s being unemployed and drawing those evil soshulistic disability benefits.

  5. it’s important to create a dichotomy between political humor bloggers and Teabaggers.

    “Political humor bloggers”?

    Stop

    right

    there.

    1. I think this is a the John Stewart defense.

      “Oh i was wrong and i am a complete hack?

      That is OK i am a comedian”

      1. Clown nose on.

        Clown nose off.

      2. It’s only a legitimate defense if what you said was funny, anyway.

  6. I agree with Wonkette. It’s only wrong when anyone right-of-center says hurtful things.

    1. I think I would be pretty pissed if the state took kids away from a mother whose husband was in ELF.

      Also if Brian posted a joke supporting that sort of state action everyone here would freak the fuck out on him.

      1. josh, I didn’t mean to imply that ELF membership was a good excuse to take kids away from parents… but if membership in an organization is to have any bearing overall, I’d be MUCH more suspicious of an ELF member than an Oath Keeper.

    2. I’m glad to see that I am so often emulated although I seldom post these days.

      Lighten up – fine humor is good from any perspective.

      Mark Twain and H.L. Mencken were our finest social commentators and they made their fame from deconstructing Teabagger-type rubes. Likewise, Lampoon skewered politically leftward sensitive areas in classics such as National Lampoon’s ‘Guide to Minorities’ or ‘Dogfishing’.

      The Culture Wars don’t have anything to do with taxes – they are about culture.

      1. And anything is fair game, as long as it comes from the left.

        Also, by “culture” I mean “picking on evil rich white Republican Christ-fags”. Everyone else is off-limits.

        1. What shrike said! ALL hate speech comes from the right! Anything else is okay!

      2. How can we miss you if you won’t stay gone, shrike?

        1. comeon..

          “I LIBTARD ATE MY BABY!”

          thats funny!

          1. Liberals don’t have a sense of humor, shrike. They’re about as bad in that regard as the far-right.

            1. They might occasionally laugh – but it’s a reflexive, nervous laughter which provides cover for the intensive mental analysis of the joke’s political correctness.

              1. They conveniently forget the PC analysis when they’re flinging the poo, jasno.

      3. Mark Twain and H.L. Mencken were our finest social commentators…

        “The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one’s time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.”

      4. Mark Twain and H.L. Mencken were our finest social commentators…

        “The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one’s time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.”

      5. Mark Twain and H.L. Mencken were our finest social commentators and they made their fame from deconstructing Teabagger-type rubes.

        Like Woodrow Wilson and Theodore Roosevelt.

  7. “Die in a fire” doesn’t quite do wonkette commenters justice.

    1. How about “eat a bullet”?

      1. Too fast.

        1. Have the meat gnawed off their torso by cocaine-enraged bed bugs.

          1. In my experience, cocaine just causes them to mellow out and fall off the bed when you make them snort it.

            1. How long would it take to beat a man to death with Wiffle bats?

              I’d say weeks, at least, depending on a) how many hits per day and b) how long the bats hold up. Counting lunch breaks, of course (for the wielder, not the victim), and a good eight-hour sleep period, plus smoke breaks… maybe a couple of months.

            2. The bugs must have ADD then?

  8. send him e-mails saying, “Maybe you should go stick your arm down the drain and turn on the garbage disposal, it would be a good start.”

    Warty what did i tell you about sending poeple emails!?!?!?

  9. Brian, she seems pretty pissed. You are so going to not get into her pants now…

    1. Her name is Jack…

      1. I thought Wonkette was a (hot) girl? Are no women handles on the internet actually women?

        1. I think the original blogger was a girl. Red head who constantly talked about sex but never actually had any.

          But yeah she has contributors now. No idea why Brian is attributing this to a whole milti-author blog. Why not call him out by name? Moynahan would have.

          1. JC—At first I didn’t think it mattered—it’s the brand that’s important there, not the individual working under it. In this post, probably just to not give the guy the joy of seeing his name in the hallowed pages of Hit and Run.
            (And I still think it really doesn’t matter—Wonkette is about the brand.)

          2. “I think the original blogger was a girl. Red head who constantly talked about sex but never actually had any.”

            Huh. I thought everything up to the “but” was the case, hence the joke about Brian “getting sum” from Wonkette. Oh well, another joke ruined by ignorance…

            1. To be clear, the joke was supposed to be on Wonkette (that she’s slutty was the meme I was working on), AFAIK Doherty is a happily married man who wouldn’t give Wonkette the time of day. I mean, he’s a libertarian whom I’ve never seen evidence of tendencies towards extra-marital relations produced, it’s not like he’s a Republican politician…

              1. That’s right, MNG! You don’t catch us Democrats screwing around on OUR wives!

                1. What Ted said!

                  1. God damn right.

                    1. Just look the other way, and defend your cheating fuckhead of a husband/ticket to higher-office power if you have to talk to the press.

                    2. Take care of this.

              2. AFAIK Doherty is a happily married man who wouldn’t give Wonkette the time of day

                How would you know either way?

                1. Because Doherty has previously stated that he’s married? That was my first clue. His wife is (or was) working on a political venture w/ former commenter “Miche” IIRC.

              3. You don’t catch me cheating on my wife!

                Because I don’t exist.

            2. MNG-I thought the rear entry girl was Jessica Cutler (who for awhile was associated somehow with Wonkette).

              1. MNG-I thought the rear entry girl was Jessica Cutler (who for awhile was associated somehow with Wonkette).

                The anus, ribbed for HIS pleasure.

        2. it was started by an Anne Marie Cox, Cox has an IQ just above room temperature and wrote a snark filled blog no one read. Then she befriended a hooker on capital hill who wrote an anonmous blog that Cox sarted linking to, That put Cox and her blog wonkette on the map, I still wonder if Cox wasnt a part time hooker herself and that was how she knew the blogging hooker, Cox then got a real job at Time and sold her blog to a couple of sheep fuckers,

          1. Cox then got a real job at Time

            There are real jobs at Time? Since when?

            -jcr

        3. it was started by an Anne Marie Cox, Cox has an IQ just above room temperature and wrote a snark filled blog no one read. Then she befriended a hooker on capital hill who wrote an anonmous blog that Cox sarted linking to, That put Cox and her blog wonkette on the map, I still wonder if Cox wasnt a part time hooker herself and that was how she knew the blogging hooker, Cox then got a real job at Time and sold her blog to a couple of sheep fuckers,

          1. I’ve seen double posts before, but ten minutes apart?

            1. Try nine minutes, sheep fucker.

              1. She’s quite hairy, but I would hardly call your mother a sheep Pip…

            2. I think it gets better the more times you read it.

        4. it was started by an Anne Marie Cox, Cox has an IQ just above room temperature and wrote a snark filled blog no one read. Then she befriended a hooker on capital hill who wrote an anonmous blog that Cox sarted linking to, That put Cox and her blog wonkette on the map, I still wonder if Cox wasnt a part time hooker herself and that was how she knew the blogging hooker, Cox then got a real job at Time and sold her blog to a couple of sheep fuckers,

        5. it was started by an Anne Marie Cox, Cox has an IQ just above room temperature and wrote a snark filled blog no one read. Then she befriended a hooker on capital hill who wrote an anonmous blog that Cox sarted linking to, That put Cox and her blog wonkette on the map, I still wonder if Cox wasnt a part time hooker herself and that was how she knew the blogging hooker, Cox then got a real job at Time and sold her blog to a couple of sheep fuckers,

          1. Washingtonienne.

          2. The squirrels are very angry with this one.

        6. I have seen the original “wonkette” on TV. Hot is not the word I would use.

          Full of herself. Now that’s the phrase I would use.

          1. You all will take this with as much seriousness as you wish, of course, but given that the original writer under the name Wonkette has nothing to do with this, in addition to calls for simple decency and keeping the intellectual high ground, let’s not insult her.

            1. Ya! Ya fuckin’ retarded morons!

  10. We here at this blog are not “normal humans” because we do not understand how wrenching it is to have yet another one of your children taken away from you because you are terrible, neglectful, abusing parents who go around blaming your own faults as a person responsible for taking care of children on Big Government hating your little “militia” club.

    You could spend years trying to unravel this sentence.

    1. I know. Lots of words, some with multiple syllables. And punctuation, too. Fucking awful.

  11. far-right mouth-breathing commenters

    Whose scruffy lookin?

    But he way I know mouth-breathing is bad…but what does it mean? Why is breathing with your mouth a bad thing? Is it because poeple with stuffed noses are all dummies?

    I don’t get the insult.

    1. I agree. WTF? I happen to have a deviated septum. Or had one until I used it as an excuse to get a nose job. But until then it was often difficult to breathe exclusively through the nose. Is Wonkette bigoted against people with deviated septums?

    2. You’ve never heard the term mouth-breather?

      I’ve always liked that little epithet. It’s based on the old stereotype of a very stupid person standing there with a vacant look, mouth hanging open, maybe a small line of drool coming out the corner of his mouth…

      Of course, for those on the left, the term applies exclusively to and in fact is synonymous with the right.

    3. Anyone from Wonkette making a mouth-breather comment after the twitpic of that corky looking fat fuck has to peg the irony scale.

      That guy probably can’t take a shit without getting winded.

      1. Er … that’s a picture of the author of THIS blog. You knew that, right? Oh, wait … a joke, I get it. I think. *scratches head*

  12. Wait, the Wonkette people are “political humor bloggers”?

    Isn’t, like, being funny, rather than insufferable d-bags, kind of a basic requirement of that job description?

  13. Wonkette is right! I’m going to start posting there instead!

    1. ARF!ARF!ARF!ARF!ARF!ARF!ARF!ARF!ARF!ARF!

    2. Whoever the fake Max is, please stop trying to get my hopes up.

      1. Whoever is the fake Max? My grammar sucks, someone help me out.

        1. “Whoever is posing as Max, …”

          Whenever I have a grammar problem, I usually just re-write the sentence to avoid it.

          1. Thanks BP, good advice.

          2. I forge on fearlessly!

        2. Don’t fall for it, Banjos… Max promised to never post here again, yet he still shows up with his usual servings of wit and wisdom.

  14. Wonkette looks like a Perez Hilton website.

    1. It essentially is one. Wonkette was born of the same cultural impulse that birthed Perez Hilton and TMZ, but instead of vapid obsession over movie stars and musicians, it’s over politicians.

      They’re really the worst sort of people.

      1. Didn’t realize that’s what that site was. It’s worse than celebrity gossip sites–at least they are good-looking people on those.

  15. As I said towards the end of the last thread … not enough emphasis has been put on the fact that the MOTHER is the one losing the kids, because her boyfriend, who is the father of the newborn (but not the other two) is accused of abusing them (and being a member of the OathKeepers to boot!).

    The only thing the mother is accused of is not keeping the boyfriend far away from her kids.

    1. This whole thing could be solved if the state just finished raising their kids.

      1. Wankette. Hehe…

      2. I know. Because being raised in a series of orphanages and/or foster homes by a committee of bureaucrats is an eminently healthy way to grow up.

        Mass Production is the way to go.

        1. It takes a Village, Hazel.

          1. Translation: I’m way too busy and important to be bothered with raising my daughter. You mouth breathers who have too much time on your hands should do it for me.

  16. Here’s the author of the Wonkette post: Have at it reasonoids!

    1. man… that’s not even a beta male.

      lambda male?

      1. The pic is awesome. He looks like a brain-damaged 12-year-old on his way to his sister’s wedding, where he will be molested by a man in his 50s that no one remembered inviting. He’ll cry and cry and tip over the table with the wedding cake on it because his butt-hole hurts so much. As he slobbers out his story to a bored policeman, a K-9 unit will rip out his throat because he has half-a-pound of deli ham in his cummerbund.

        1. Had Corky all over it. Is he the Downs baby in Balko’s abortion article?

      2. Well you’d probably have to use a lambda in a Lagrangian multiplier to find this guys maximum mass using the constraints of his hot air, relative intellect, and caps key finding ability.

        So lambda male may be more appropriate than you think.

    2. fatty fatty fat fat….

      Also, not sure if it is a good idea to gorge on multiple McDonalds large meals before going out in your tux…

    3. Good god. I look better in my tux at the end of a three day bender.

    4. Isn’t that a deleted scene from Fanboys?

    5. Even Dave Weigel’s not that ugly…

      1. Weigel is a better writer as well.

    6. Self portrait no less.

      Guess I can understand why.

    7. Wait… And this is the guy who pulls a still from a blogging heads video to make fun of Brian’s appearance?

      AAAHHHHHhahahahahahaha!

      1. It’s like Elton John’s ugly cousin impatiently waiting for his male escort…

    8. Just look at those fat sausages clumsily gripping the cell phone as he tries to pose and….wait! is that an ironic mustache?!

    9. Has anyone noticed all the images are taken with a mirror. I get the feeling Jack spends a lot of time alone. Possibly in the bathroom.

    10. He looks like Jonah Hill after a weeklong coke binge.

  17. Don’t they delete critical comments?

    I swore many Reason commenters were saying theirs were getting deleted ASAP.

    1. I love your handle.

      1. It’s redundant.

      2. And were okay with that as long as all parties are consenting.

  18. I love his whinning about the hate mail. Way to go reason

  19. Jesus Christ, I thought I had some barely suppressed rage issues. This bitch is permanently OTR. What a nut.

  20. It’s hard to feign outrage at feigned outrage.

    1. I’m outraged at your feigned outrage over feigned outraged.

  21. They’re just mad because Doherty caught them being a hack. As a liberal I can tell you that we are supposed to be for defending the rights of people we disagree with (ACLU). Like I said on a previous post the author retained what was worst about liberalism (the smugness) and lost what is best. And Doherty called him on it, and now he’s gotta be all like “Teabagger!”

    1. waco and the move people in Philadelphia is how you tell who actually cares about rights and who doesnt. Anyone who wasnt horrified by both cares more about identity than rights

      1. I honestly can’t see how anyone cannot be horrified by both. I could not believe it when Reno “took responsibility” for Waco and then was cheered by so many. She should have been canned or arrested.

        1. Clinton should have accepted her resignation.

          1. For once I have to agree with MNG. She should have gone to jail over that nonsense.

            1. Waco and Ruby Ridge were experiments to see how far the state could go before the populace got to the point of pitchforks and torches. There will be more such tests.

              1. Well, now we know. It takes a lot more than that. Full steam ahead!

                1. Oh, I will, Paul.

              2. Ruby Ridge was, if possible, even more of a travesty than Waco. In a truly decent nation that respected its liberty there would have been an uproar that would make the Tea Party look mild over that. They murdered that guys family and his dog after essentially entrapping the guy when what he seemed to want more than anything was to simply be left alone.

                1. The reason there wasn’t an uproar was because the media did not report on it until after those wacky right-wingers got so upset that one of them blew up a building.

                  The reason I say this is because it illustrates what a closed, insular, nearly exclusively leftist enterprise the mainstream media really is. They really have NO IDEA what a huge swath of America is concerned about, and thus are incredibly surprised when large numbers Americans suddenly appear to have concerns and beliefs that they don’t share. Their world is so insular that they really only report on topics that the left is obsessed with like homelessness and obesity, and live in near total ignorance of issues other people care about like eminent domain, property forfeiture, and other abuses of power.

    2. This is why you aren’t a troll. We need people like you on the left to police the way out wacky left, but it is an impossible task.

    3. As a liberal I can tell you that we are supposed to be for defending the rights of people we disagree with

      ..except for our right to keep what we earn?

      -jcr

    4. As a liberal I can tell you that we are supposed to be for defending the rights of people we disagree with (ACLU)

      I agree, the ACLU is supposed to be for defending the rights of people they disagree with. Read their website’s position on the Second Amendment and you’ll see that such defending is not so much the case.

    5. I keep telling you, liberals are not progressives. Witness the split in the ACLU over Citizens United — that exposed the fault line pretty well. They might agree with you on the “greater good” to achieve, but they have no qualm about using illiberal means to get there more easily.

  22. Oh yeah, looks like they were basically trying to increase their “teabagger” count. Is there some website rating service that tracks rates sites based on the number of times they use “teabagger”? Sorta like a Nielsen rating for raving lefties or something?

  23. Hey, Wonkette-ites are commenting here.

    They’re as cogent as you think…

    1. We’re better than you rednecks! Which is why we’re posting comments on your OLD thread on this topic! We’re doing it IRONICALLY!

      1. Aw, shucks.

        Stuef riled up the Wankettes, and we got their feigned rage at Hit and Run.

        GET DEM TEABAGGURS!

  24. Jonathan Irish of New Hampshire, who is a member of “Oath Keepers,” a militia group with a weird Constitution fetish

    I don’t know much about this ‘Wonkette’ Facebook group, but they way they write “Constitution fetish” makes one think that what they really mean is anyone who sees the Constitution as a limit to government power might get you labeled a ‘fetishist’ or a teabagger.

    1. Well, it’s okay to revere the Constitution, just as long as you insist on saying negative things about negative rights…

    1. Internet is important business.

  25. send him e-mails saying, “Maybe you should go stick your arm down the drain and turn on the garbage disposal, it would be a good start.”

    Heh. I like this one. Contrast it with the Wonketteamites’ insults:

    MuslinMosk 92p ? 1 hour ago
    Instead of making fun of teabaggers, let’s make fun of Brian Doherty.

    His neck is fat and it looks like he has a dirty mop on his head.

    That doesn’t even deserve any metal in response.

    1. Send ’em some old Winger cassettes. That kind of “music” should be right up Wonkette Alley.

      Or some of that emo shit.

      1. C’mon, guys! Kip Winger’s the real deal! Don’t diss him!

      2. I was getting a strong emo and hipster feel.

        1. Drop some Good Charlotte CDs on ’em. Operation Bad Music Airlift, go!

  26. And based on the picture in the Wonkette Facebook Wall post, it appears those people live in a trailer, so… I don’t even need to hear their story.

    1. Woah, there’s a lot of upstanding citizens around who choose to live in trailers.

  27. Yeah go up against Wonkette, that’s a great idea. You’re surely win that one.

    1. We’re surely will.

      1. We’re didn’t start this flame war!

    2. If we can’t win against this crew, we don’t deserve to live.

      1. WHY DOES AN ADULT STILL HAVE PLEIAIDES STYLE ACNE?!?!?!?

      2. What the FUCK is that on the left?

    3. Stop posting, fag.

      1. Eat shit and die, trash.

        1. To paraphrase the late Blanche Devereaux.

  28. Is it me, or are the lefties in a touchy mood lately?

    1. It’s not you. You should listen to NPR lately.

      “Reporting” is now talking to a slew of Democratic operatives and ask them how badly Citizen’s United hurt fundraising for the left.

    2. Fuck your mom, Cajun.

      1. Oh, good one.

        1. You Cajuns are just backwoods hillbillies with French surnames.

          1. This passes the PC test, Wonketteer. As long as your target is a right-wing Christ-fag, you can say whatever you want.

    3. That time of the election cycle.

  29. Wonkette insults at Reason thus far:

    Gomer Smith|10.11.10 @ 4:47PM|

    Brian Doherty,
    You’z a monster douche. Word. Out.
    Gomer

    Another fun one:

    So a douchebag self-described libertarian decides he’s going to defend the “salt of the earth” pig-ignorabt fuckwhistle who joins oathkeepers in the hopes that Sarah Palin will flash her tits at her next rally and then spends 46 updates trying to justify why he was hot and bothered to defend an abusive asshole with the evil government “baby snatching” stratagem. I swear, I’m not sure who is more who is more fun to mock, teabagging fumbledicks who attend rallies complaining about big government while motoring around in the medicaid-paid for scooters, or willfully ignorant shitsacks like ol’Doherty who can’t wait to watch a man’s house burn down in gleeful affirmation of their childish and selfish beliefs.

    Kepp on Doherty, you’re kicking ass and being mocked.

    Don’t you love it when the little kids try to be edgy?

    1. I do like the word “fumbledick”, though.

      1. Fuckwhistle isn’t half-bad either.

        Forming compound words is this guy’s specialty.

        1. He loses all the points he gained from his coinages for the laziness of the scooter remark, however.

          I haven’t been inspired to write that many vile compound insults recently. I hope I haven’t driven my muse away.

      2. That’s what Jack Stuef does when tries to pee.

    2. Clike the ‘Like’ button on it!

    3. WTF is up with the “Teabagging” and Palin stuff? Doherty is a libertarian. He wrote a book on Burning Man years ago (one of two books by Reason authors I’ve read, the other Welch’s one on McCain). Does that fit into his “riding around on his Medicaid scooter” meme?

      They’re just mad because Doherty is in line with his principles here and they are not. Liberalism has traditionally tried to stand up for the rights of the accused, especially the “unsavory” accused. It’s a damn shame when modern day reps of the movement forget that, and a damn good thing we have libertarians to kick them in the ass…

      1. Hmm, I think it was Doherty that wrote the Burning Man book. Maybe it was Walker, that seems more like his thing…Either way, I’ve seen no evidence that Doherty is a right-wing Palin fanatic…These people’s lumping is pathetic.

        1. Correct the first time!

          http://www.amazon.com/This-Bur…..0316711543

        2. Either way, Sarah Palin is essentially an insult. Like reflexively calling someone a racist. You throw it out there and then the person is stuck spending fifteen minutes denying the accusation. I still don’t know who Sarah Palin is, and I’m constantly being accused of being ‘in league’ with her ilk because I believe that the first amendment applies to more than the freedom speak with my unamplified voice in a public square of the government’s choosing.

          1. Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh are variations of that insult.

      2. Ya MNG, I’ve always wondered what happened to the “I don’t agree with what you say, but I support your right to say it” type attitude.

        1. I’m on the Phelpses side in Snyder v. Phelps. Does that count?

          1. No, you still suck.

          2. I’m not. Fuck the Phelps clan. Bunch of fucking inbred non-Christian lawyers.

            1. Even they deserve the most in free speech rights that can possibly be tolerated by the constitution, no?

              1. Of course. But they still suck. Like you!

              2. Nominally, you’re right… but if there were a way to legally challenge the WBC morons without shitting on the First Amendment, I’d be all for it.

                Wouldn’t you?

                In the meantime, the only reason they “deserve” it is because they, too, get the same rights. Unfortunately.

                1. Nah, I’m pretty much a first amendment absolutist. The Phelps crew don’t bother me, they’re one of the primary reasons I go to gay pride parades, and they’ve been good for the first amendment.

                  1. I’m not against the First Amendment here, Tony.

                    But your love for that amendment doesn’t excuse your contempt for the Tenth.

          3. Of course you’re on the Phelps’ side–they’re Democrats.

    4. Don’t you love it when the little kids try to be edgy?

      Happens here every day. Names change but the tactics have the same dreary monotony.

    5. It had me at Sarah Palin’s tits.

      Come on, libertarians aren’t exactly world renowned for their biting wit.

      1. C’mon, Tony… Palin’s tits are her best feature. Otherwise, she’s useless.

        Well, maybe you don’t like them, but hey… more for someone else, eh.

  30. You’ve never heard the term mouth-breather?

    Not everyone is still subscribed to the 1985 Lampoon.

    Hey let’s bring back “chundered!”

    1. Sure, why not? At least in its present tense.

  31. Wow, he quoted my snarky reply on the earlier post. I guess I’m honored. As much as one can be honored by such douchebaggery.

  32. Didn’t we agree that being called a Teabagger was more insuting to the people being teabagged? Or something?

    1. …mmmmmfffmmmfmpfmammspppmmmfffff….

    2. Teabagg?d would be more proper, no?

  33. Ad in the Wonkette Facebook Group sidebar:

    Graphic video shows why everyone would be vegetarian if slaughterhouses had glass walls.

    Now I see what we’re dealing with. The Progressive version of a pro-life movement.

    1. What about people who work in slaughterhouses and butcher shops? I wonder how many of them are vegetarian (probably not many).

    2. And the anti-vivisectionists are the Progressive version of embryonic stem cell crusaders. And extreme envirotwats are their version of fundamentalist monotheism (note: not saying that people that would prefer to drink water without toxic chemicals are the problem here, more the sort of people who literally believe that the earth “punishes” humanity with natural disasters for disrespecting nature).

  34. I swear, I’m not sure who is more who is more fun to mock, teabagging fumbledicks who attend rallies complaining about big government while motoring around in the medicaid-paid for scooters, or willfully ignorant shitsacks like ol’Doherty who can’t wait to watch a man’s house burn down in gleeful affirmation of their childish and selfish beliefs.

    I prefer to mock people in QUESTION AUTHORITY t-shirts who think the government is going to make their lives better.

    And, of course, Krugabe.

    1. Those ‘question authoritah’ t-shirts were B.S. from the word go. They only appealed to the most pro-authority types around. Many of them were anti-establishment (and sometimes not even then), but an entirely pro-authority animal.

      1. They only question authority when the Dems are in the minority. When the latter happens, they DEMAND fealty to the sitting administration.

  35. I’ve been out of the game for a while. Is this part of that whole “Liberaltarian” thing?

  36. Doherty and Wonkette should get a room.

  37. Hack libertarian writer. Wear that one proud (an HLW), Doherty.

    By the way, how does one become a hack libertarian writer? The concept is confusing.

    1. Serving the agenda of Big Liberty 24/7.

  38. Jack Stuef? Is there a reason his last name is an anagram of “fetus”? I mean, a reason other than the fact he looks like a giant hairy one?

    1. That’s not nice…fetuses can’t help that they look that way.

    2. I think he looks more like a butch lesbian:

      http://wonkette.com/author/jackstuef

      1. I said this upthread about the photo posted there, but it bears repeating:

        “It’s like Elton John’s ugly cousin impatiently waiting for his male escort…”

        1. Nice.

      2. Or for his rendezvous with the sheep.

        1. Is that confirmed or denied?

          Oh god.

      3. Fat emo kids with ugly glasses and bad haircuts: neither men or women will find you attractive. Take care of that.

    3. Let’s face it, libertarians aren’t world renowned for their striking good looks.

      1. Okay, they are in fiction. But the complete humorlessness still holds.

        1. We have a sense of humor… except when it comes to abuse of power. Hint, hint, it doesn’t matter which party is doing the abusing, wink nudge.

      2. Are you saying the T-shirt girl isn’t really libertarian?

        1. There are girl libertarians?

  39. Jack, don’t make me fisk your sorry ass again.

    Don’t be angry you were made to look like a fool. You managed to look stupid with not only your original article, but your pathetic rebuttals to the comments here.

    I got bored so I hit up wiki for “Brian Doherty” and got the link. I hit up “Jack Stuef” next and got nuttin. I hit up Alexa to check traffic. Reason slaughters Wonkette 2 to 1 in every category…

    (See the next post since I have to fucking dick around with the formatting because reason’s IT guy freaks out over more than two links. Has the IT guy been beaten lately? If not I offer a free service.)

    1. continued because of retarded IT policies

      … I went looking for a photo of Jack and all I got were small photos of some fat bearded dude and someone in a Pooh bear suit. I googled Doherty’s image and found at least 20 photos of the Reason author.

      So jack, in short, and by relative comparison you suck, your exposure sucks, your site sucks, your not funny, you don’t seem to grasp even the simplest of concepts, and you write like a bitter little bitch that spent a night in the drunk tank with Bubba. (not that there’s anything wrong with that as long as all parties were consenting)

  40. Do they teach using all caps for emphasis in J-school now?

  41. Does Brian think that the child should have been left with abusive parents?

    Also: Prison Planet? Really? I thought this magazine was called “Reason” Prison Planet could be called “Insanity.” Please stick to reality-based sources to back up your claims.

      1. While I disapprove, society has deemed drinking legal…for now.

        1. You sound like you’re disappointed that drinking is still legal, juanita. What, you can’t settle for policing your own life?

  42. Posted on the other Reason thread in reply to a pitiful Wonketteer:

    “Do you really think that Irish’s membership in the Oath Keepers is the reason the child was removed from the home?”

    It was a factor.

    Also, Wonkette would have given half a shit about this story if the Oath Keepers angle wasn’t part of the story.

    Hint for future reference: Not everyone who hates governmental abuse, is a gun-toting hillbilly.

    1. Wonkette would have given half a shit about this story if the Oath Keepers angle wasn’t part of the story

      No, Wonkette would have given half a shit about this story if this hilarious, over-the-top blog post wasn’t part of the story.

      Yes, some of us find “he has an interest in the Constitution, the second amendment, the bill of rights, martial arts, guns, the Dukes of Hazard, and the bible. All thoroughly American interests” to be fucking funny. You guys find Ana Marie’s fascination with buttsecks ffunny, and we all, apparently, find pictures of chubby men funny.

    2. Actually, I think the article was about this moron blogger’s post.

  43. I read the comments at Wonkette and the comments here and basically see no difference.

    The only small diff. is that Wonkette’s remarks are funnier; where here about the best you get is ‘He ugly’ and ‘He a fag’
    Seriously? That’s the best you got?
    And Libertarians are homophobes? Liberty for the few?
    Sad.

    1. “And Libertarians are homophobes? Liberty for the few?”

      Geez, if we’re not being called “latte swilling liberals”, we’re homophobes…

      “The only small diff. is that Wonkette’s remarks are funnier…”

      I hope it doesn’t completely escape notice that this whole thread is about what passes for humor over at Wonkette…

      So…um…hope you won’t be offended if nobody inquires further about what you consider “funny”.

      1. I never said the bar was set high, now did I?

    2. Learning how to read is hard, I understand. Keep trying though, don’t give up like you did here.

      Sad.

      1. This was all over the interwebs, just do a search on Irish, and look what pops up!

        Google is your friend.

        Here’s your boy Irish: Teen charged with sexual assault on minor

        and again:
        “Jonathan Irish, 20, was charged with possession of a controlled drug, possession of a concealed weapon, and violation of bail.”
        As I’m limited to 2 links, do a search for his name on Hamptononline.com, I found a couple other arrests

        But this one is incredible:
        WHS student arrested after ‘Columbine’ threat

        –If you don’t want Libertarians to be associated with Columbine-threatening guys who have sexually assaulted 14-year-old-girls, and who is on Taxpayer funded Disability (while using our tax monies to stock up HIS supply of weapons)
        –If you don’t want people to think that one of the freedoms Libertarians hold dear is the right to abuse children,

        maybe you shouldn’t, y’know, post sympathetically about them?

        For the record: I don’t particularly like this site, nor do I care much for Wonkettes

        #2 for the record: Wonkette’s comments may be marginally funnier, but this site is Numbah 1! in butthurt

        1. LOLZ. Pwned.

    3. Ems: “Yeah dude, it was like, a Sunday and I just happened by Reason’s and Wonkette’s blogs. For nor reason, mang. Then I decided to wade through all the comments about a controversy that all of .0000000000001% of the American public has heard about. Let me give you my detached and objective opinion…”

      You’re kidding me, right?

      1. “no” reason…preview, read…ugh.

  44. The only is of fag I see is the shrike mimic, which is a mimic, and some no name poster.

    Where if you cruise the wonket responses in the other thread you find a nice dose of teh gay usage. You’re pretty hard pressed to find people here bashing people for their sexual preference.

    So no. Not really so sad.

    (PS You’re forgiven for not knowing shrike was a mimic, it’s a board thing.

  45. TruckNUTZ

  46. TRUCKNUTZ

  47. I understand that none of Wonkette’s commenters feel the need to substantiate any of their claims because attempting to do so would likely contradict their confirmation bias, but I’d still like to mount a challenge to the poster of the following:

    The last thing that the Kochsuckers at _Reason_ should be complaining about is “mean-spirited class-based mockery.”

    Please, present just one example as evidence of our class hatred.

    1. It’s only class hatred when it’s against the poor, from anyone right-of-center, or “when I say so”.

    2. OK, Michael – Here you go – Took 30 seconds:
      “(I)t’s worth reminding that Obama, the son of two university-educated parents, attended an “exclusive and prestigious” private school in Hawaii, Columbia University, and Harvard Law School.”

  48. It seems that the kid does self-depreciating rather deftly…

    http://www.theonion.com/articl…..r-se,2497/

  49. Y’all libertarians are certainly an uptight lot. I thought all that weed would have mellowed you fellers (since it appears you’re all guys) out.

    1. The mellowing effect of the weed is counteracted by the chronic lack of nooky these guys get. It’s quite sad really.

  50. NUTS!

    TruckNUTZ

  51. a woman who had her kids taken from her because their father was accused of doing some bad stuff,

    I believe she was accused of neglect…which included letting their father beat on them. While it is possible this is an example of an over-zealous CPS prosecution…I do think your characterization of it is more caricature than anything else.

    Not a funny situation for the family.

    Those who see this as an opportunity to score political points (for either side) are pretty pathetic.

    1. BTW,

      Looking at the document and having been involved in these kinds of things…the Oathers being included in the document is pretty peripheral…even in the paragraph it is included in. The point of the paragraph is, in the context of support for the individual being violent, to show that he has access to weapons for carrying out violence. Of course a grown man does not need a gun to harm the child, but his access to weapons increases risk to child (based on studies of domestic violence…the presence of guns increases risk to the kids).

      My guess is that the case worker who included the Oathers comment thought that the Oathers were something they were not. It shouldn’t be in the document as it distracts from the case being made. But to claim this guy is the victim and is being targeted because of his political association is beyond credible. Whatever the facts of the case, his membership in the Oathers is incidental not central to the complaint.

  52. You should seek common ground with Wonkette.

    Wonkette made its name with ass-fucking jokes.

    Reason is kept in business by the sale of ass-fucking videos.

    Maybe Ken Layne and Nick Gillespie could set up an ass-fucking booth soemwhere in D.C. — without a permit, of course — with all proceeds going to the kidnapped baby’s college fund.

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  54. Doesn’t Reason have a copy editor? Good lord.

  55. Doesn’t Trinket know how to type a closing tag? Good lord again.

  56. Bottom Line: “Reason” made the foolish mistake of defending a child abuser just because he shared their ideological viewpoint. They had the right to do so. “Wonkette” made fun of Reason for that. They had that right. “Reason’s” blogger is having a hissy fit because someone made fun of him. Grow up.
    “Reason’s” blogger backed out of a joint TV appearance with “Wonkette”. Grow a pair.

    1. No kidding.

  57. Give it up Reason, before your incoherence sinks you into the ground.

  58. I find it funny and sad that the only focus of those defending this child abuser is mention of the “oath keepers”…I’d like to see 2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,11 of the affidavit before painting this poor fella as a victim…

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