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Noise Complaint Leads to Police Shooting, Killing 17-Year-Old

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Last Sunday night, police in Morganton, North Carolina shot and killed 17-year-old Michael Sipes. The officers were responding to a noise complaint called in by a neighbor in the mobile home park where Sipes lived. His mother says there were three children in the home on the night Sipes was killed, and were likely he source of the complaint.

According to Sipes' mother and others in the house, the police repeatedly knocked on the door to the home, but never identified themselves. They say both Sipes and his mother asked more than once who was outside. A neighbor who heard the gunshots also says he never heard the police identify themselves. Police officials say the officers did identify themselves.

According to those in the trailer at the time, as the knocks continued, Sipes retrieved a rifle, opened the door, and stepped outside. That's when Morganton Public Safety Officer Johnny David Cooper II shot Sipes in the stomach "four or five times."

More here and here. Profile of Sipes here. The story is still fresh, but at first blush he certainly doesn't seem like the kind of kid who would knowingly confront police officers with his rifle.

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  1. Disgusting. What more can be said?

  2. Prediction:

    The cops walk. No charges even filed. After an internal review by their friends and colleagues, the cop story is bought 100%, and multiple conflicting eyewitness accounts are ashcanned.

    1. And my family and acquaintances wonder why I’m so cynical.

      1. You get that too?

        1. Every fucking time this kind of discussion comes up. Every fucking time.

          1. Maybe you should get some therapy. Some fucking therapy.

  3. But it’s for the chil…

    Oops.

  4. According to Sipes’ mother and others in the house, the police repeatedly knocked on the door to the home, but never identified themselves. They say both Sipes and his mother asked more than once who was outside. A neighbor who heard the gunshots also says he never heard the police identify themselves. Police officials say the officers did identify themselves.

    Funny how this is a recurring theme in these monkeyfucks.

    1. Well, the mother is obviously too emotionally distraught to think clearly enough to remember hearing them identify themselves. And the neighbor is probably just a tax-protesting jobless fogie who forgot to charge his hearing aid.

      It’s the only rational explanation!

    2. If repeatedly knocking on the door isn’t sufficient identification, what is?

      /sarc

      1. The articles fail to mention that these were “Psychic Police” who project their identities via ESP. It’s a shame you mundanes don’t evolve already, like you expect us to regress or something.

    3. Common sense (something lacking here whenever Balko posts a story) dictates that one must ask why the cops wouldn’t identify themselves. They didn’t bash down the door in a SWAT-like raid. They didn’t toss concussion grenades through the windows. They knocked. Several times. What possible motive could they have had for not identifying themselves? In this type of domestic disturbance response, the last thing the police want is to surprise somebody. It was no secret that they were there. Most normal people (even “libertarians”) don’t answer their doors with a rifle in hand. This isn’t 1840. If this part of the story is correct as reported, the kid made a fatal error in judgment, as did the cop who shot him. The cop should be punished accordingly, based of the situation and the facts, as best as they may be determined, and not on hyperbolic, cynical blog rants.

      1. > Most normal people (even “libertarians”) don’t answer their doors with a rifle in hand.

        When folks knock on my door after dark, I always answer it with a pistol in my hand.

      2. “They knocked. Several times. What possible motive could they have had for not identifying themselves?”

        This is indeed the most important fact in dispute. I can think of two possibilities:

        1) There was too much noise for those inside to hear the cops announce.

        2) The cops suspected that there might be drugs in the house and wanted to enter with the ostensible p.c. being that they smelled or saw something when the door was opened. They knew that this wouldn’t happen if they announced that there were cops outside; the drugs would just get flushed. This also explains why they didn’t turn their red/blue lights or siren on.

        1. We weren’t there, so we have no way of knowing (unless we take Radley’s advocacy journalism–some would call it propaganda–and apply our own biases to it in order to reach a preconceived conclusion), but Possibility #1 seems like the most credible explanation. But who knows? There’s an old saying regarding vigilantism: “Judge, jury and executioner.” Most of the commentators here are little better than virtual vigilantes. It’s both sad and comical. Radley pulls their strings and they dance.

          1. Yeah, and you dipshit little marionettes probably also believe all of that world-is-round bullshit that Baily is spouting, too, don’t ya?!

            /sarc

            Seriously, if the mounds of carefully vetted evidence that Balko has produced aren’t enough for you, I don’t think you’ll ever buy the Cops=Wreckless Asshole meme. That doesn’t mean it isn’t true in about 10% of the cases.

            Murray [I mean, seriously! Who spells it that way?]: please go away.

            1. Dance, puppet boy!

      3. “What possible motive could they have had for not identifying themselves?”

        Well for starters, announcing gives the person inside a chance to dispose of anything “illegal” that would incriminate themselves. So they have at least one very big reason to maintain an element of surprise in tricking the person to open their door.

        I’ve actually been at a friend’s house when this tactic has been used by the police. It was at a college party – saturday night, things got kinda loud, and one of the neighbors complained. The cops showed up knocked several times without announcing their presence even once. By the time the guy opened the front door we had discovered that there was another cop already in the back yard trying to look in the window from behind. He never announced himself either.

        It was clear that they were looking for underage drinkers to bust and didn’t want to give anyone a chance to hide their beers. Fortunately everyone they carded was 21 and they left empty handed.

  5. FUCK!

  6. WHERE THE FUCK IS DUNPHY??????

  7. Aaaaaand there’s your happy Labor Day Weekend nut kick from Balko.

    RAAAAAAAAAADDLLEEEEEEYYYY!!!!

  8. Outrage aside, my condolences to the family of Michael Snipes.

    1. will this affect the R.E.M. tour?

  9. Who has the motivation to lie? To beleive the mother does, you have to believe her son suicidally confronted cops with a rifle. To believe the cops, you have to believe the cops were too stupid or lazy to identify themselves. I am taking the latter.

    Cops basically have a license to kill in this country now. Is a cop ever held responsible for killing someone?

    1. In my opinion, you’re not to be treated as a cop until you’re seen in uniform and/or presenting a badge. Yelling “police!” doesn’t count, because anyone can do that.

      1. I asked a cop buddy of mine (he’s ok) about that. He said that especially if the cops are in plain clothes you should ask to see credentials. Always ask to see credentials, but don’t do something like yield your weapon until you see them.

        1. Tell that to this guy, or Ryan Fredericks, or Cory Maye. That may be true in some technical sense, but as far as (a) getting convicted for killing a police officer or (b) getting killed by a police officer who doesn’t get prosecuted, it’s not true. Tails they win, heads you lose.

        2. I should add, since I always get misinterpreted by some of the more knee-jerk commenters here, that my 4:14pm post represents what I think should be the case, while my 6:54 post represents what I believe the legal system actually does in practice.

    2. They are: if it is caught on camera. Time to ban cameras!

    3. Is a cop ever held responsible for killing someone?

      Google says yes.

      1. Show me a case where a cop got life in prison or the death penalty for killing someone on the job.

    4. “”To believe the cops, you have to believe the cops were too stupid or lazy to identify themselves. “”

      “Tolbert said officers don’t have to announce their presence,”

      They didn’t do anything they didn’t have to do.

    5. “Cops basically have a license to kill in this country now.”

      It’s more like a hunting license, for humans. But they have to yell “It was coming right for us!”

  10. All that fun hijacking a Tony Blair thread and making it truly interesting, and now this.

  11. It’s Friday, so it’s time for a Radley nut-punch.

    This incident is plain, unadulterated murder. And these fucks will get away with…murder.

    1. How do you know?

      1. Oh look, an anonymous cop-fellator. Suck that cop dick, dude: slurp it down. Then when they treat you just like the rest of us peons, it’ll taste so badly in your mouth. Yummy.

        1. It’s just that y’all seemed lonely, talking at each other. Thought I’d give you something to focus on. This should keep you busy for hours. Have fun now!

          1. You never did answer the question, by the way. I’d start there. Toodles!

            1. You already said goodbye once, now you’re back. Lurk much?

            2. That you, fag, pig Dunphy?

    2. “”It’s Friday, so it’s time for a Radley nut-punch.””

      That why I wear a cup on Fridays.

    3. Give them a break Epi. Cops aren’t trained to deal with armed ROTC kids. The cop acted the only way he knew how.

  12. To believe the cops, you have to believe the cops were too stupid or lazy to identify themselves.

    You could also believe they specifically avoided identifying themselves so they could terrorize and/or murder an unsympathetic person-who-can’t-afford-a-lawyer or two. It’s less presumptuous.

    1. That makes the most sense. They probably had nothing better to do.

      1. HELLO SHIT FACKTORY!

      2. They don’t have anything better to do, besides cornhole me in prison with their nightsticks.

      3. Just post under your old name. Man up and troll like you got a pair.

  13. This is jut an isolated incident. Nothing to see here. Move along. Hey, you! With the camera! Don’t make me taze you again!

      1. I’m surprised they didn’t shoot the dog.

        1. They looked, and decided shooting the neighbors dog might draw too much attention to their shooting a kid.

          1. Opps the dog in the video, epic fail for me.

            I’m surprised they didn’t off the dog as well.

  14. Tolbert said there is no duty for an officer to announce his or her presence but said Public Safety officers do.

    There’s a cover-my-ass statement if I’ve ever seen one.

    1. I wonder what would have happened if one of the “civilian” neighbors shot him four times in the stomach under similar circumstances (ie, going to his trailer to talk to him directly rather than calling the cops).

  15. A ‘noise complaint’? Is it possible that the couldn’t hear the cops identifying themselves? We had a neighbor who got it into her inbred head to listen to the macarena over and over with the volume on ’11’. After about four hours, we called the cops. They banged on various doors for a good half hour before entering the house(the hallway door was unlocked).

    The neighbor claimed she hadn’t heard them.

    According to those in the trailer at the time, as the knocks continued, Sipes retrieved a rifle, opened the door, and stepped outside.

    Was this a windowless trailer? I’m having a problem figuring out how no one saw that it was the cops.

    And coming out with a gun in your hands.

    The sad fact is that most cops, when confronted with an armed unknown, will opt for the ‘I wanna go home tonight’ course of action over the ‘let’s wait and see what this armed fellow has to say’ course of action.

    Right now, this looks to me like a horrible accident rather than police assholery. It’s easy to see how something awful could have happened without anyone being out of line–

    Cops are called on a noise complaint, they knock, repeatedly, and no one answers, door swings open to reveal a man with a gun….

    Sad, and horrible, but I’ll wait for something more solid.

    1. If somebody’s pounding on my door in the middle of the night and refusing to identify themselves when challenged, you bet your ass I’m not opening the door without a gun in had, Of course, I’d probably call the cops instead of answering the door at all.

      1. Spelling and punctuation are for the weak.

      2. Actually, I would probably crack open the door and peek out at them, with the gun kept behind the door. If it’s not a thug, I don’t want to scare them; if it is, I don’t want them to know what I’m packing immediately.

        1. Peek out the door? Aren’t there windows? Is this some kind of industrial container? Most trailers I’ve seen have lots of windows–especially by the door. A whole lot of them have windows in the door.

          This whole thing just doesn’t hang together well.

          Notice how the loud music that pissed off the neighbors and got them to call just disappears?

          At best this is a severe and horrible case of stupid.

          But I’m still not seeing anything that allows for a really clear assessment.

    2. Really? Then why no “drop the gun! Drop it!”? Even if they were surprised by a guy coming out with a gun, there is NO warning? Just five shots to the stomach? What if he had an umbrella?

      Making excuses for fucking killing people is fucking pathetic. It’s not like they ticketed the wrong car; they fucking killed someone. Get some perspective.

      1. Inexcusable!! Maybe if he had had a cell-phone with a camera it would have been justified.

        Besides, they shot the wrong one. It was the 3-year old and the 6-year old making noise.

        1. Well, I expect they learned their lesson now — make too much noise next time, and maybe the bad men will kill mommy like they killed your brother.

    3. “The sad fact is that most cops, when confronted with an armed unknown, will opt for the ‘I wanna go home tonight’ course of action over the ‘let’s wait and see what this armed fellow has to say’ course of action.”

      I’m not sure I agree with everything you said, but this sentence (as a sentence) is full of win. 🙂 And is probably true.

      1. I am fine with the idea of people confronting possibly threatening situations with firearms. The cops do it all the time, after all, the same actions should be acceptable for people without the cops responding to it with one-size-fits-all force. They should have assessed the situation before acting so abruptly.

      2. Thanks you.

        But don’t you find it odd that you potentially think the notion of waiting until you have more information before judging is something you ‘might not agree with’?

    4. Cops don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt, dude. Fuck them.

    5. A ‘noise complaint’? Is it possible that the couldn’t hear the cops identifying themselves?

      FTA:
      They say both Sipes and his mother asked more than once who was outside.

      With all the usual caveats, it appears the LEO had a chance identify themselves. If I were the cop, and I couldn’t get their attention because of noise, I would try turning on the lights and sirens first.

      You’re right that we should wait until more facts emerge, but most people around here are skeptical that any investigation will be fair and objective.

    6. No warning, half a clip into center mass. Smells like fried bacon to me.

    7. Sad, and horrible, but I’ll wait for something more solid.

      You’re in the wrong place for objective analysis, son.

    8. Those things on the top of your car, you know, the big flashing lights on the top of the car that says POLICE on its side in two foot letters? Might want to turn them on. Even the dimmest rural kid is going to know something’s happening when the discos start lighting up the trailer park.

      Or get on the loudhailer: “You! Redneck in Trailer #4B! This is the Police! Turn that shit down!”

      Or you could read the comments to the article where a hearsay witness is claiming the kid stuck his head out the door first, saw and heard nothing, and then opened the door and stepped out with the rifle. Because he saw the police the first time he looked out, and knew he needed his .22 rifle to even the odds.

      Whole lot of conflicting stories in the article Radley links to. Good thing the non police accounts’ll have as much weight at any hearing as mine from the couch. Thanks Radley. Happy Labor Day Weekend to you too.

      Where is dunphy/whit anyway???

      1. Those things on the top of your car, you know, the big flashing lights on the top of the car that says POLICE on its side in two foot letters? Might want to turn them on.

        That sounds like a counterproductive strategy considering you’re responding to a noise violation. In any case, it’s unlikely they were expecting an armed confrontation.

        As Epi said above, the best response would have been to raise their weapons and tell him to drop his; if he refuses, then it’s a different story.

        1. Even if he refuses you really have no place shooting until the kid starts to level the weapon or makes a move that threatens someone’s life. Shooting someone for just having a gun on their own property is bullshit, the cops just hate having to work on even ground and without threat of force you have to use brains and negotiation. And we all know how good the average cop with an IQ of 110(or whatever that number was) is at that.

          1. There’s a difference between merely having a gun and brandishing it when facing police. True, I don’t think it’s grounds for shooting someone, but it’s not OK either.

            Of course, all this is irrelevant in this case since the cops shot first and asked questions later.

            1. Sure it’s okay arm yourself in the presence of police. If you’re on my property I have a right to arm myself. If it bothers you feel free to ask me to disarm, but I will be asking the same of you. If they have a warrant you should comply, but this notion that you have to bow to their whim when they have no probably cause is bullshit. I don’t freak out when I come across someone who is armed. Hell I usually note the weapon and move on, I’m not threatened by the presence of others with firearms. Cops seem to feel threatened at the drop of a hat. (please don’t play the dangerous job routine, they chose the profession and if their mental rigor should be sufficient to deal with such issues rationally)

              So we are comparing cops to beasts? Not that I would disagree with the comparison, I just don’t think it makes your point very well.

          2. cops just hate having to work on even ground and without threat of force you have to use brains and negotiation

            Of course cops don’t want to work on level ground. Same reason you don’t want to work on level ground when you go out hiking in bear country.

        2. It’s all us v. them which makes it eas to justify shooting a kid that you see as a potential threat.

      2. “Those things on the top of your car, you know, the big flashing lights on the top of the car that says POLICE on its side in two foot letters?”

        I don’t know about where you live, but for the past 10 years, most new police cars

        (1) don’t say POLICE anywhere on them, or have any markings.

        (2) don’t have light bars on top.

        Of course, this makes it easier for police impersonators, who only need some red and blue LEDs behind the windshield to pull motorists over and give them orders.

        A burden has been placed on civilians, who must decide if they are being pulled over by a real cop whom must be obeyed, or an impersonator with criminal intent. Choose wisely.

      3. Because he saw the police the first time he looked out, and knew he needed his .22 rifle to even the odds.

        Huh?

        1. Sarcasm doesn’t carry well over the Internet.

          Wrote the comment in a fit of pique; meant it to convey that the kid obviously didn’t hear any announcement from the police.

          In my area, even the new cop cars have “Constable” or “Police” or “Sheriff’s Department” in pretty big letters on the car. The exceptions are the cars used for speed enforcement. Most of the ones I see have light bars too. Of course, so do many private security company vehicles. Also, Texas for some reason loves to sell old police cars to the public (which is fine) and they’re not always vigilant about removing all of the police gear (which could be a problem). Never thought about their trying to get observational evidence of dope use, being a reason for not using their lights. Makes some sense.

  16. I used to read a cop newspaper. It was nothing I subscribed to, they just sent it to my boss hoping that she would place some ads in it.

    After reading it, I came away with the understanding that cops really, really like to shoot perps. And deer. And ducks. And dogs. And just about everything that walks or crawled at one time or another.

    1. And just about everything that walks or crawled at one time or another.

      “Any fella that doesn’t wanna get shot better clear on out the back.”

      1. Clint’s very best stuff.

    2. And don’t forget “if it flies it dies”.

  17. “The N.C. State Bureau of Investigations is investigating the incident.”

    Great. I’m sure they will get right on that.

    The SBI is criminally corrupt, and was ripped in a multipart N&O investigation this month. Here is Balko, again:
    https://reason.com/archives/201…..upted-crim

    1. The SBI is under such scrutiny, that it’ll probably be the most reliable investigative unit in the country…for a while.

  18. Companies add 67K workers, but jobless rate rises

    Man loses 10lb on special diet, weighs in 30lbs higher.

    1. Sorry, wrong thread…eff me

  19. The story is still fresh, but at first blush he certainly doesn’t seem like the kind of kid who would knowingly confront police officers with his rifle.

    It will turn out that this kid smoked a joint 6 months ago, or something, and that will relieve the cops from any liability, right?

    “He got a “D” in civics class.”

    “I saw him kick the neighbor’s cat.”

    “He was lighting fire crackers…and it wasn’t the 4th of July!”

    …or some other “boys will be boys” thing he did when he was 8 years old. As a nation, we (please don’t jump on me for using “we”) have become very good at blaming the victim (rightly or wrongly).

  20. According to those in the trailer at the time, as the knocks continued, Sipes retrieved a rifle, opened the door, and stepped outside. That’s when Morganton Public Safety Officer Johnny David Cooper II shot Sipes in the stomach “four or five times.”

    I am pretty sure he would have been shot dead even if he carried only a no. 5 iron or pepper-spray. The police were in the zone that night . . .

  21. Cops hate poor people and black people and all peiople who aren’t cops.

    1. That’s very strange. It never happens in my city. And we have cops.

    2. I hate cops. Especially rich white ones.

      1. Disregard that. I suck cock.

  22. The story is still fresh, but at first blush he certainly doesn’t seem like the kind of kid who would knowingly confront police officers with his rifle.

    Don’t think so, either. The kid was simply trying to scare off whoever was banging on the door and scaring the wits out of his mom. He was just 17 years old, yet probably the only man in the house capable of defending it . . .

  23. I completely believe the mother’s story in all of this, but still, it would have been a good idea to peek out before opening the door with a rifle.

    Even if it weren’t cops, it would be good to know who you’re about to point a rifle at.

    1. “Or you could read the comments to the article where a hearsay witness is claiming the kid stuck his head out the door first, saw and heard nothing, and then opened the door and stepped out with the rifle.”

  24. I will not rush to judgment…
    I will not rush to judgment…
    I will not rush to judgment…

    1. Come on. It’s fun!

  25. Radley, if you haven’t already heard, you should check out the story of John T. Williams here in Seattle.
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.c…..obinsource
    Homeless street person gets blown away the other day for the crime of… whittling in public.

    1. A three inch knife? Fuck, if a 50 year old drunk guy was charging me with a 3 inch knife I’d have to consider not shooting and just taking him on. Even if shooting him was the final decision I’m thinking it would only take me one shot to get the point across. (even at 10 feet) Seriously what the fuck are we hiring for cops?

      I know, cops aren’t trained to deal with 50 year old drunk Indians (feather) armed with a 3 inch knife. They only have enough budget to teach beating women and shooting old dudes, it’s the tax payers fault for not increasing their budgets to levels high enough to train for these things. Right D?

      1. Next, they will claim that the officer thought it was a gun rather than a three inch knife.

  26. everybody have a safe weekend! here, this is a positively light-hearted story by comparison…

    1. So we have entering a home without a warrant or some other authorization, demanding that a man go with them to the hospital, getting told he has a heart condition, and then tasing him when he gets up and twice more while he’s lying on the ground in pain.

      Sounds like they acted appropriately. Maybe they’ll have to review their internal policies. That’ll clear things up.

  27. Does anyone think Obama will comment that the Morganton police acted “stupidly”?

  28. he never should have opened the door.
    he didn’t have to.
    few police encounters go well anymore, no matter how u handle them.

    1. I reminded my wife yesterday to never, ever, call 911. Ever.

      1. I think you can still deny entry if you call 911, that is I don’t think calling 911 falls under the 13 or so ruled on reasons officers can use to violate the 4th amendment. (things like pursuing a criminal or entry to save a life)

        1. If your call to 911 would indicate that there is a problem of some sort inside your residence, then they could enter. I might add that neither this nor your other examples violates the Fourth Amendment, which prohibits unreasonable search. The courts have held that entering a residence to investigate a report of a crime in progress (or pursuing a criminal or responding to a medical emergency) is not unreasonable and therefore not prohibited.

          1. That’s what I said. There are at least 13, that I can remember, situations that the courts have upheld as reasonable with regards to the 4th. It could still be a violation, since reasonable is left to the courts and definitions change as often as the wind. But I would agree my wording was vague. (bad me)

      2. I learned this lesson the hard way.

  29. Quite frankly, state law allows me to carry a weapon, concealed or in plain view, on my own premises. The cops need to come to the realization that they are banging on MY DOOR, on MY PROPERTY, in MY DOMAIN and it is my right to arm myself.
    For Gods sake, it was a piss-ant noise complaint. Not like it was a hostage situation or a drug raid or serving a warrant for a murder suspect or anything.
    These days cops are just to damned scared to be cops. They shoot over any little over thing and always use the excuse they felt like their life was in danger.

    1. That’s your view and mine. Unfortunately, many people with power and authority disagree fundamentally. There are many people of influence who flat out don’t believe you have the right to defend yourself as is illustrated by routine abuse of the rights guaranteed you (supposedly) by the 2nd amendment.

  30. TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
    I own several guns, I am a lawfully armed citizen, and I am responsible for my safety and the safety of my family. If you come banging on my door after dark, I WILL come to the door armed. That doesn’t mean I am eager to shoot you, it just means that I accept responsibility for my own safety and I believe in being prepared for the worst.
    Just because you are a cop and have permission from the state to carry a gun, doesn’t mean I am obligated to trust you.

    1. Knock knock.

    2. Trick or trea-BLAM!

      1. Why would the children say BLAM? Are the children opening fire? Which would reinforce the reason to trust no one and to always bring your gun to the door.

        1. [Knock knock]

          “I own several guns! I am a lawfully armed citizen, and I am responsible for my safety and the safety of my family! If you come banging on my door after dark, I WILL come to the door armed!”

  31. Hey, look on the bright side: the victim’s a clean-cut white kid, so this time the cops might actually see some discipline!

  32. Look at them sly eyes and that short-cut neo nazi style hair cut. Can’t you all see that he is a trouble maker?
    Too bad he’s white. Otherwise his fambly could scream “raysiss” and sue the dept. for a few million.

  33. “Police officials say the officers did identify themselves.”

    Oh, well that settles it.

    1) How many of those “officials” were there and witnessed the incident?
    2) Is it just me, or does the “impartialilty” thing not have any weight here?

    1. Did you witness it?

  34. After a little contemplation, fuck me this is sad. After thinking about it, their financial situation can not be that great since they live in a trailer, the kid appears at first glance to have been making a better life for himself through working hard and being honest. All to have it ended by some fucking deputy dipshit with a twitchy trigger finger.

  35. His mistake was not shooting first.

  36. Here’s the latest I’ve been able to find:

    http://www2.morganton.com/news…..ar-363640/

    The important new points:

    1) The shooting officer, Cooper, was the only cop at the door. His partner was at the rear. He says he identified himself before the door was open.

    2) Cooper claims that he heard a shot from somewhere just as the door swung open.

    3) As I understand the statement the cops made, Sipes never even went outside the house/trailer and Cooper never claims that Sipes pointed the gun at him.

    4) Despite the fact that we know from other reports that the matter of whether the cops identified themselves is disputed, the police statement appears to assert that the officers identified themselves as a matter of fact.

    5) Nevertheless, the department thinks that Cooper acted appropriately.

    If a gun had gone off inside the home before the door swung open, it seems like we would have heard about it before now. Cooper’s story will probably be that, unfortunately, a shot went off nearby at just the wrong moment; it’s not like you can prove that a shot didn’t go off somewhere within hearing distance at that exact moment.

    It sure looks like pure BS. Nevertheless, Cooper will probably be exonerated and get a medal.

    Speculation: could it be that in situations like this officers don’t want to identify themselves because they’re hoping that they’ll be able to make a drug bust, and maybe get some asset forfeiture, by entering quickly right after the door swings open? They might figure that if they identify themselves, anything inside will probably get flushed.

    1. Why should ‘we’ have heard about anything before this? We’re relying on newspapers and media. It is possible that the reporters aren’t getting everything as cold hard factual as you might think–or are we forgetting that reporters stories often reflect their biases(not to mention their moods, their level of exhaustion, and whatever else might color their view).

      Don’t act like the media has the last word, y’know?

  37. Foolish – we’re the police, you’re not.

    We were put in power and given various immunities so we can do our jobs. Would you rather us government employees just left you people alone??Stop complaining. http://youareproperty.blogspot…..ality.html

  38. We government employees were granted immunities and other moral exemptions by our law makers so we can do our jobs. Would you rather we not be here???

    youareproperty.blogspot.com/2010/06/we-are-exempt-from-your-morality.html

  39. Cops are worse than the thugs they are supposed to protect us from!

  40. “Police officials say the officers did identify themselves.”

    Of course they did. They said, “Open up! It’s Bubba and Johnny!”

  41. Noise complaint.

    Gotta keep the neighborhood quiet.

    So bang on a door, shout at the occupants and then you brandish firearms and shoot the perps.

    It is like using biological weapons to deal with crush a Salmonella outbreak.

  42. Honestly, Observer, is it really that hard to get just a few more details that are readily available.

    Here’s the latest from the Morganton Herald, mostly more information from the media inverviews with the family and neighbors.

    Even if the CO doesn’t want to print what they consider speculative, they could at least refer readers to the local newspaper article. This isn’t rocket surgery.

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