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Gingrich: Use Government Power to Trample Property Rights of Muslims

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Take THAT, Jerry Lewis!

The loathesome ex-House Speaker, who has been singularly awful on the Ground Zero mosque issue, reaches down into the septic tank for more:

"I think the Congress has the ability to declare the area a national battlefield memorial because I think we should think of the World Trade Center as a battlefield site; this is a war," he said[…]

And if that fails, he said, the state government should step in and use its considerable power to stymie the development.

"The Attorney General of New York, Andrew Cuomo, could intervene because frankly he has the ability to slow it down for decades if he wants to."

And, if the federal government doesn't intervene, and the state government declines to use its regulatory and enforcement powers to delay a private development project, Gringrich says the mayor should step in. […]

"There are a number of different steps that could be taken. There's no reason this has to occur and whether it's city, state, or federal there are plenty of ways for America to stop it," Gingrich said.

Link via Doug Mataconis.

Well, at least Gingrich has some great, wonky ideas for cutting the size of government! Uh….

First step: Keep this man very far away from government power

[MATT] LAUER: Let's talk about cutting, cutting the deficit here. You've said, you're thinking more seriously now than ever about running for president. Let's say I make you president right now. Congratulations. And I give you what a lot of people are predicting—a Republican-controlled House and Senate. That means you've got to make some really tough choices in terms of cutting this deficit. What are you willing to say? And name it by name, that you would be willing to cut right now to cut deficits.

GINGRICH: First of all, you just may, create a nightmare for virtually every Democrat watching the show, so I apologize to them. But to, but to work out your scenario, in the four years I was Speaker of the House, the average rate of increase was 2.9 percent a year including all the entitlements. That is the lowest rate of increase since Calvin Coolidge in the 1920s. We did it by carefully setting priorities.

LAUER: But-

GINGRICH: Now, now just let me finish.

Hey, that's Alien Gonzales!

LAUER: Okay, go ahead.

GINGRICH: So, so we doubled, for example, investment in national health research at the National Institutes of Health while we were being very tough on other spending. I would start and I'd go through this budget pretty dramatically and I would eliminate a great deal of federal bureaucracy. I would reform unemployment compensation. I would reform workman's comp at the state level. I would have a very pro-jobs, very pro-savings, very pro-take-home pay policy. When we reformed welfare, 65 percent of people on welfare either went to work or went to school and we saved billions and billions of dollars. That's part of how we managed to balance the budget. Remember Matt…

LAUER: Would, would you make cuts in Social Security and Medicare?

GINGRICH: No, no.

Jacob Sullum on Gingrich's awfulness here.

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171 responses to “Gingrich: Use Government Power to Trample Property Rights of Muslims

  1. That Weekly World News cover page: Is the space alien the bald guy or do they mean Bob Dole?

    1. Hey, Bob Dole doesn’t appreciate it when you make fun of Bob Dole.

      Oh, and if you suffer from erectile dysfunction, come on over to Bob Dole’s and get some viagra. It helps Bob Dole take care of Bob Dole’s wife.

        1. She was the bastard who got every state to raise their drinking age to 21.

    2. Why mock the finest journalistic entity since the 1920’s?

      If for no other reason, the WWN was the home of Ed Anger (AL GORE THINKS THE WEATHER IS HITLER! ), America’s finest editorialist since Menken.

      In the mid-80’s I actually subscribed to the WWN while in the Corps. When I signed up I was a PFC and the mailing label had that on the wrapper when it was sent to me in Okinawa. Every few month or so, I would get a promotion from the WWN (much more infrequently from the Corps who obviously were much better at judging character than the WWN). By the time I shipped stateside again, I think I was up to a Lt. Commander or some such. The enlisted guys all thought it was funnier than shit, the O’s were all pissed. I always wondered how such a great magazine could also have such a great customer service department.

      1. I have to confess I haven’t looked at the WWN since they pulled their checkout stand editions and went totally online. Researching the Ed Anger link above, I found that they have a new star: PhD Ape

        How long before the Obama regime pulls him in as a consultant? And what will be the resulting uproar when he does?

    3. Awesome! Reason loves any jab at Christians. Forget about the Port Authority denying the Greek Orthodox Church still not getting to rebuild, let’s focus on those poor downtrodden Islamists getting a special fast-lane into getting an “Islamic Center” built, all in the name of Cosmotarian fairness.

      What is Cosmotarian fairness? Anything that is not Christian or Jewish, of course.

      The main financier of the Ground Zero Islamic Center is a waiter with a long list of assault charges against him. Another backer is a Hezbollah/HLC contributor.

      Yes, I know, Hezbollah good, Israel bad on this blog. I have noticed, I understand. War is bad, unless you are defending a freeish society and all that.

      How about linking this into the blockade against the resort strewn Gaza strip? They just built a new mall. Yes, here at Reason, the Gaza blockade is bad because no nation should have borders. Ignoring the fact that Gaza declared war against Israel right after Israel gave them a country, that the Palestinians destroyed in record time.

      Nice going reason! Love ya!

      1. Yeah Suki, it’s cosmotarians applying all of this focus to the mosque in NY, not conservatives…

      2. Mam, are you high, or are you just stupid?

      3. It is hypocritical how many readers complain about the Gaza blockade when they completely ignore the blockade of Camp Ashraf (http://ncr-iran.org/content/view/8836/1/). In there eyes, only people who launch rockets at innocent civilians deserve rights.

      4. Unless I’m mistaken (which I may well be) I think the GO church was looking for a public handout to rebuild and it was delaying the process.

  2. Okay, I defended Gingrich before when he was just speaking his mind about the Park51 mosque. Now that he’s advocating using government to thwart it, he can go fuck himself.

    1. Would you cut SS and Medicaid?

      No. No.

      First, of all, I’m not sure when, if ever, someone could get elected if they said they were going to cut either of these. 2nd, people who do want to reform/cut these programs have learned that this question is a trap. The journalists know it very well too. And they know it makes a great sound bite. This is where we are now. You can’t actually have meaningful discussions because it will either never be aired or it will be misused as sound-bites by the media and whoever opposes your position. So we just keep going down the same road.

      1. “You can’t actually have meaningful discussions because it will either never be aired or it will be misused as sound-bites by the media and whoever opposes your position”

        Don’t like Gingrich much, but I have to agree, you can’t get too angry at him at this point for that.

        Paul Ryan suggested his road map, which, at the time, Obama said had some good ideas, and some debatable ones. Now, closer to election time, Barry says the evil Reps want to take it all away. So much for the healthy debate he said he wanted.

        When, and only when the majority of voters realize that promising to keep SS and Medicare forever amounts to forcing taxpayers to buy into a pyramid scheme will any politicians be able to talk realistically about it.

    2. …using that clown hat.

      1. I never tire of that picture.

        Mad kudos to who ‘Shopped that image.

        1. Yikes, that is creepy. He looks like Wayne Gacy.

          1. Gacy at least had the decency to try to hide his nefarious acts from the public.

            If he had been a real politician, you can bet that he would have spent millions on signage declaring “This crawlspace renovation brought to you by the Reinvest in America Act”

          2. Can’t sleep; clown will eat me…

            1. Heh. Heh. Heh.

  3. “LAUER: Would, would you make cuts in Social Security and Medicare?

    GINGRICH: No, no.”

    Oh, it’s too funny!

  4. You know, Matt, until he’s ignored, he won’t be going away. Why give this guy any coverage at all? It’s what he wants most of all.

  5. I like how the naked alien is pointing at him while admonishing Newt: “Oh, sure… act like you don’t know me. But you can’t ignore what happened last night!”

  6. “””I think the Congress has the ability to declare the area a national battlefield memorial because I think we should think of the World Trade Center as a battlefield site; this is a war,” he said[…]””

    For agruements sakes, let’s give him that and say they do make ground zero such. It wouldn’t stop anything from being built two blocks and isn’t on the WTC site. All of lower Manhattan is not ground zero.

    1. Why are you so disrespectful to our war dead? This is a war, right? Right?

      I fucking hate these people. They salivate at the chance to fuck with the A-rabs.

      1. Please, “A-rabs” is too respectful. It’s either towel-heads or camel jockeys.

        1. insert “Sand-Nigger” comment here……

          1. Yeah, as I was saying before my internet connection went south, the proper terminology is ‘raghead’ or alternatively ‘sand nigger’.

            1. Newt, sloopyinca, and oso politico, you guys are hate filled bigots for using those terms.

    2. I wonder if his misunderstanding stems from mere ignorance or from New York Post-style deception.

      1. If you said you were for keeping Islam out of Ground Zero, and for Park 51, you would confuse a lot of people.

    3. There buildings that parts of the planes landed in,such as the Burlington Coat Factory Building, are part of Ground Zero.

  7. “””I think the Congress has the ability to declare the area a national battlefield memorial because I think we should think of the World Trade Center as a battlefield site; this is a war,” he said[…]””

    For agruements sakes, let’s give him that and say they do make ground zero such. It wouldn’t stop anything from being built two blocks and isn’t on the WTC site. All of lower Manhattan is not ground zero.

    1. They would define a 2 block area just big enough to include that site. Doesn’t even have to be a symmetrical shape like a circle of square.

      1. Hey, if they expanded the no-Muslim zone to three blocks, they could include both the Stock Exchange and City Hall!

      2. That would be gerrymandering. And we know all politicians are against that.

    2. A former Burlington Coat Factory could be declared a national battlefield memorial, sure. Have you ever been to one of those places during the Back to School shopping weekends?

  8. LAUER: Would, would you make cuts in Social Security and Medicare?

    GINGRICH: No, no.

    Dollars to donuts says that defense spending is off the list as well.

    Newt isn’t stupid enough to think you can balance the budget without going after entitlements and defense, he thinks you’re stupid enough to believe it.

    1. Looking back at the last two elections, why would he think differnt?

      1. True dat. People still believe that Obamacare, as is, is going to lower medical costs.

        1. About 60% of them don’t.

          1. So only 40% of Americans are blithering idiots? Why does this not cheer me up?

            1. Because the other 70% are dumbasses.

              1. I see what you did there.

              2. At least one fourth of Americans are retarded.

                1. IOW, 25% of Americans are in the bottom quartile, intellectually.

                  1. And a big chunk of those are in government.

    2. Dollars to donuts says that defense spending is off the list as well.

      I’m not sure why you would think that, considering that the big spending cuts during the Clinton/Gingrich period were mostly at the expense of the Defense Department.

      Do people today really not remember the significant military downsizing that took place after the original Gulf War?

      1. Yeah, that did happen…

        1. But now we have the neverending War on Terror.

          1. Old way Cold War, new way war on fill in the blank. War on anything and everything is the ultimate control. Gingrich has always been a asshole.

  9. Newt is a politician. Power is the name of the game. You can expect him to say whatever is necessary to get in office. I don’t think he’s BSing here, just when he claims to be a fan of limited government. He’s not interested in limiting the authority of any office he may wish to hold. He wants the authority to help people, however he defines it, and he cant’ do that without power and money.

    1. Newt has absolutely no chance of winning the GOP nomination, zero, zip, nadda.

      http://tinyurl.com/chjo9s

  10. “”And if that fails, he said, the state government should step in and use its considerable power to stymie the development.””

    How clueless is this guy? Imam Rauf works for the State Dept. Why would State work against him?

  11. I’ve found you can really kill any support for Gingrich among “mainstream conservatives” by showing the video of Newt and Nancy Pelosi talking about “climate change solutions”. Pointing out his consistent endorsement of RINOs like Scozzafava, Crist, Bennett etc. helps as well. Gingrich has spouted enough crap in his career that the conservative oppo research practically does itself. Gingrich’s future in elected office is toast. In today’s climate even the RINO voters hate RINO politicians.

  12. As bad as he is the weirdest thing is that Newt and Clinton made perhaps the best federal government in my life time.

    Balanced budget, Welfare reform, NAFTA, no new huge government programs, cuts in military spending (not real cuts but at least slowed the growth) there is probably more I am missing.

    Why doesn’t he run on his record instead of hating Muslims? He has a good limited government record….and we live in the age of the tea party. WTF is he thinking?

    1. Ah, the halcyon days of gridlock…

      Old farts see the same thing you see in Newt and Slick with Reagan and Tip O’Neil.

      Someone should do a policy-wonk piece (replete with stupid charts) comparing national economic progress with grid-lock government vs. these one-party mini-epochs we go through where either political crew gets a chance to start going down their shit-wish-lists.

      I bet the “findings” would comically appropriate.

    2. “”As bad as he is the weirdest thing is that Newt and Clinton made perhaps the best federal government in my life time.””

      The right tries to keep that in the closet because it’s more important not to give Clinton credit for anything good.

      1. I never got the Clinton hate. Sure he was a sleezeball (which I kind of liked), but he would sign anything you sent him.

        Instead of trying to impeach him, Newt and the boys should have been sending him bills to abolish the departments of Education and Energy. He would have signed them.

        1. What the hell were you smoking in the 90s because it must have been some badass shit.

          Clinton would vetoed the bill in heartbeat and immediately demonized Newt and the boys as trying to starve our children and such.

          You know he vetoed welfare reform twice before signing a third bill and that was because polls showed it was popular. Thus he didn’t want to actually give the Republicans an issue he couldn’t co-opt.

    3. Balanced budget, Welfare reform, NAFTA, no new huge government programs, cuts in military spending (not real cuts but at least slowed the growth) there is probably more I am missing.

      Dude, it was the 90s. Birth of the Internet as we know it, end of the Cold War, etc. Obama and fucking Pelosi could have been in charge and it would still have been a golden age.

      1. Birth of the Internet as we know it

        The internet as we know it was born after the bubble burst.

        What I remember of the 90s internet involved browsers that got worse with each update, dial up, no blogs, and a search engine that took 2 min to load because of all the other crap attached to it.

        1. and, of course, the AOL squirrels.

        2. “and a search engine porn that took 2 min to load because of all the other crap attached to it.”

          That’s better.

          1. newb!

            I remember having to download several bin files from Usenet, concatenate them into one bigger file, run another program to convert the ascii text to bin and finally run a program called “gifview” to look at a single picture of porn! And tedious as it was I did it all the time.

            Don’t even get me started about how hard it was to get pr0n as a kid back in the day (pre-internet).

            1. Yeah, I’ve explained to my kids how back in the day, when VCRs were pricey novelties and cable was mainly a rural phenomenon, we had to go to a movie theatre to see XXX rated flicks; they aren’t convinced I’m not just fucking with them.

              1. One side-effect I’ve noticed — there’s a lot less nudity in R-rated movies now than there was back in the 70s and 80s, since a 10 second shot of tits is much less of a draw nowadays. Also, I suspect more of the girls with the body to do nude shots are going into porn these days, since they have to sleep with fewer guys to get ahead in that industry than they would in Hollywood.

  13. From the look on Newt’s face I’d say that alien has some killer breath.

  14. I have a hard time seeing how declaring something a “battlefield” would make any difference. None of the battlefields in and around New York from the American Revolution have been preserved. I think the main field of the Battle of Long Island is buried under a garage.

    I was at Gettysburg earlier this year and they are having a big argument over putting a casino in the area of the battlefield. I have also seen some of the battlefields of the”Indian Wars” and with one or two exceptions they are practically forgotten about. One of the exceptions is the Little Bighorn, but there is a casino just outside the entrance of the park. Even the Alamo site, held sacred by Texans, is a very small part of the fortress, not to mention the battlefield. The rest of the site is city.

    1. “”I was at Gettysburg earlier this year and they are having a big argument over putting a casino in the area of the battlefield””

      But we like gambling. 😉

      1. Casinos bring in revenue, which if you knew anything at all about Gettysburg, PA, you would know revenue is positively needed.

    2. Here in Chicago, the site of Fort Dearborn is marked by a few commemorative bricks pressed into the sidewalk. Perhaps something like that can be worked into a compromise?

      1. Finding a piece of the Alamo’s outer wall on your construction site does mean a multi-week delay while the archeologists swarm in and do an emergency recovery job. And the DTR may try to buy all or part of it the site from you. Haven’t heard of any attempt to invoke eminent domain for that purpose though.

        There are little bits and pieces preserved for a couple of blocks in every direction. Here a very wide sidewalk with a bit of crumbling wall surrounded by a fence. There a miniature park with a plinth and a plaque. Not that residents of San Antonio every go to look at it unless they’re showing an out-of-towner around.

        OTOH, Ozzy got banned from the city for pissing on the wall at the Alamo.

        This was in the days before they made you a sex offender for that kinf of thing.

        1. Someone should have pissed on Ozzy – right in his goddamned face.

          1. The Texas Revolution was a bunch of white guys who wanted to own black slaves after Mexico banned slavery and were resisting government “oppression” on their rights to their “property”. That’s certainly not the only reason, but it is the primary one. They never seem to teach us that in Texas history class, though…

            1. The Texas Revolution was a bunch of white guys who wanted to own black slaves after Mexico banned slavery and were resisting government “oppression” on their rights to their “property”. That’s certainly not the only reason, but it is the primary one.

              Bullshit. Prohibition of slavery had very little to do with it. There were three broad areas of causes for the conflict. One of the most important, as it is in most wars, was economic – the Texian colonists or settlers didn’t like being told what crops they could grow or who they could sell them to. Cotton for export to Europe was a lucrative crop at the time, yet they were forced to grow other, less profitable things for sale to the interior of Mexico. They resented paying high tariffs on imported goods from the US as well. They also were angered by the re-imposition of taxes on immigrants.

              Two, they didn’t appreciate the Mexican government changing the political rules in the middle of the game – look up Siete Leyes sometime. Most of them having come from the US and whose ancestors had fought a revolution to throw off the tyrany of British rule, they weren’t particularly thrilled with Santa Anna turning the whole country of Mexico into a damned dictatorship. There was also the fact that the Mexican government used them as a buffer between hostile indians to the north and west and the rest of northern Mexico. Mexico provided very little military protection to them.

              Thirdly, there were ethnic and cultural differences. The settlers were for the most part white Anglo-Saxon Protestants who were used to freedom of religion – yet Mexico demanded they become Catholics and pay a tithe to the Church. There is also the fact that among Santa Anna’s new decrees was one prohibiting further immigration of whites into the Texas part of Mexico. The authorities feared a growing concentration of US Anglos in Texas, because Santa Anna was convinced the US was plotting a land grab. I’m sure that didn’t do much to encourage trust and peaceful relations between the two peoples.

              And just as an afterthought: Although the Mexican government may have outlawed African slavery, it certainly was never bothered about having what amounted to virtually a feudal system of peones tied to the land of some El Patr?n – a practice that continues to some extent even to this day. Perhaps the Mexican aristocracy prefered indians to negroes for their servants, field hands, and mestizos y mestizas.

              1. Bullshit. Prohibition of slavery had very little to do with it.

                That “very little” right there covers a multitude of sins don’t she?

                1. That “very little” right there covers a multitude of sins don’t she?

                  I don’t think so – I don’t think there was much of a “multitude” to cover. Keep in mind that like in the southern US, only the wealthy could aford to own slaves – so how big a deal could slavery have been in an area the size of Texas with a population of only about fifty thousand people or less (not counting indians) before 1836? Sure, there were African slaves, but there were fewer of them than there were of natural-born Mexicans – and there were few of those compared to the number of Anglo settlers. And there were even fewer of those that were slave owners. What most people don’t seem to realize is that Texas was largely empty of people at that time – and it was a larger area than it is now. Most of it was the frigging boondocks of northern Mexico – the frontier. A smaller city, the size of Austin, today has more than ten times what the total population was back then.

                  Yeah, some Texans didn’t like slavery being outlawed – that’s true – they wanted them for the establishment of cotton plantations; Mexico wanted the colonists to raise beef and to grow other crops. Of course, those few Texans involved in the slave trade who were smuggling them into the US from the Texas coast probably weren’t too happy either. But the Mexican government seldom did much about it and Texans went on doing as they pleased. So how much of an impetus could the desire for legal slavery have been for going to war – especially against a much stronger force?

                  Mexico had won its own independence from Spain in 1824 and it was financially broke from the war. What started as a republic with a fairly decent federalist system of government soon degraded into a strong, centralized authority, and then a virtual dictatorship under Santa Anna. It wasn’t just the state of Coahuila (which included Texas) that was in rebellion – there had been uprisings in the interior and southern states of Mexico as well.

                  Texas didn’t even desire independence when the trouble first began; what it wanted and tried to get was to be a Mexican state separate from Coahuila. It wanted its own state capitol right in Texas and run by Texans instead of having to deal with Saltillo five hundred miles away to the south. Apparently Santa Anna, the “Napoleon of the West,” wouldn’t go for that – he was an arrogant son of a bitch. And like most arrogant people he was stupid – he lost his country a rich territory.

    3. I live 5 miles from New York City along the retreat route that George Washington used. My town has a plaque commemorating the bridge that the troops crossed and a park with historic colonial buildings on the site where the troops camped. One town over, there is a garden with a plaque commemorating annother one of their camps sites. Erk, you got your facts wrong on this.

  15. Newt uses the “War” concept too much. In 1990 he wanted to declare a state of emergency in order to implement the “War on Drugs” (H.R. 4079)

    Now he calls the 9/11 terror attack an act of war – as Osama bin Laden does. Actually the attack on the WTC was a crime, and thanks to Newt’s buddy Bush, the criminal who planned it is still at large.

  16. I was sort of wondering when this was coming. Does anybody involved really have the high ground here? When you use eminent domain and onerous administrative processes to regulate the ownership and transfer of property, and you selectively and arbitrarily apply these regulations, you lose the moral high ground upon which you might have defended yourself.

    Mayor Bloomberg is the most odious of this bunch. He’ll go yuk it up with Jon Stewart to defend this place, because nobody there will question him about the stadium land grab in BKNY and Columbia’s expansion in Harlem. When people ask about government intervention, he gets defensive and bombastic, giving speeches about his fidelity to property rights and religious freedoms. He claims people shouldn’t interfere with private property in the name of religion. Ok. So, in the name of sports, then? Universities with billion dollar endowments? I’m not surprised by these debates. I’m not surprised by any political reaction to them, from Newt to Bloomberg. What I am surprised by is the waxing and hand-wringing about the public’s reaction to its newly enforced “right.” When people (and I include myself) see their property rights trampled upon daily – and they do notice – and then these “rights” are used as a political justification for the center, they’re justifiably pissed off and justified in their questioning. If nothing else comes out of it, we know where the political class of NY stands.

    Property rights – not so much, unless we agree with your use of it
    Mosques near GZ – Yay!
    Neighborhoods and businesses – not if we want a stadium
    your aprartment in Harlem – not if Columbia wants it

    1. It’s not Bloomberg’s fault that the Supreme Court has declared such takings legal. You raise an interesting point though. If the “70% of New Yorkers Oppose Ground Zero Mosque” bunch that the NY Post trumpets on their front page every day only banded together to dump a stadium or something on that block… problem solved.

      1. I take your point, but some states and politicians refuse to use the powers granted them by Kelo. Heck, some states even passed stricter “public use” standards through their legislatures, I believe! So there is culpability and accountability at the state and municipal level. Just because you have a right to do something doesn’t mean you ought.

        I also made sure to mention “regulations,” which are a different animal than eminent domain, though I admit my point centered around takings. But I did that because my main point of the whole post was that the disbelief and condescension with which the pundits and pols reacted to citizen concerns was infuriating and hypocritical. Bloomberg is hectoring people about the sanctity of private property out of one side of his mouth, and turning around and grabbing land in other places. That’s really what was getting me bunched. It was my way of calling “bullsh–.”

        1. “Bloomberg is hectoring people about the sanctity of private property out of one side of his mouth, and turning around and grabbing land in other places.”

          Actually, he’s hectoring people about religious freedom – which is still a sort of third-rail even here in NYC. I don’t think any of the local pols have said a thing about “property rights” – that would just be too obviously hypocritical even for them.

          1. Actually, Bloomberg specifically mentioned private property rights as a guest on Jon Stewart.

          2. Thanks, Apogee. And Rhywun, you’re right, he has conflated the points, speaking breathlessly about the freedom of religion. But he’s certainly invoked property.

            should government attempt to deny private citizens the right to build a house of worship on private property based on their particular religion? – Michael Bloomberg

            The simple fact is this building is private property, and the owners have a right to use the building as a house of worship – Michael Bloomberg

        2. But its different when libertarians support pro-choice through the commerce clause to trample states rights. Hypocrisy knows no bounds.

    2. Well said, Kelo and Brooklyn and Columbia.

  17. You can expect him to say whatever is necessary to get in office.

    But he’s not saying the necessary things. For example, on the mosque biz, the polled majority/panderer opinion is “They can do it, but they’re assholes if they do, so they shouldn’t, and if they do, fuck them, but oh well,” and he’s not saying that at all. Gingrich is such a government/media guy he can’t conceive of the right line to push on that, so if he’s pandering?and not just being an asshole (too)?he’s pandering to caricatures that only government/media guys mistake for real.
    His reinforcement of caricatures must be why he’s so well-covered. Conservatives don’t pay attention to him, and when they do, it’s to tell him to STFU. I only know he’s still alive because the Sunday shows and the “netroots” (and a couple of their suckers here) trot him out whenever it’s time for a redscare.

    1. “”For example, on the mosque biz, the polled majority/panderer opinion is “They can do it, but they’re assholes if they do, so they shouldn’t, and if they do, fuck them, but oh well,” “”

      Look for polls like this one.
      http://www.valleymorningstar.c…..stion.html

      In that poll, the majority agrees that it should be stopped at all costs. I think more polls would have a similar outcome. Many people don’t care how it’s stopped as long as it’s stopped. People are not moving to the “oh well” part very well.

      1. Was that an online poll? Given that the link doesn’t address methodology, I would guess so.

        If it is, the results are worthless.

      2. It was the only poll I found at the time which had “Stop these plans at all costs” in the poll, or something like it. I think that would have the highest percent in most polls.

        1. TrickyVic, there is a big difference between click on “stop it at cost” on an online poll and actually putting more than 2 minutes of one’s own time into stopping the Islamic Center at Ground Zero. The last round of demonstrations got fewer than 700 people in the pro and con camps combined. This is out of a NYC populatin of 8 million and a Metro NYC population of over 20 million. That means over 99.99% of folks don’t have very strong feelings one way or another. The next round of rallies is scheduled for the 10th and 11th of September.

  18. It’s a sad day indeed when the topic at hand is who is the bigger asshole, Bloomberg or Gingrich?

    1. who is the bigger asshole, Bloomberg or Gingrich?

      Yes.

      1. Option C?

          1. ’bout 50 years too late for that.

            1. No, Plan B, the morning-after pill.

              I’m willing take nominees whose mothers are in need for for retroactive doses.

    2. I have to go with Bloomberg because he affect my life more than Gingrich right now.

    3. Sad times indeed. I expect any day to see passing ruffians saying “Ni” at will to old ladies.

      1. We are no longer the knights who say “ni”! We are now the knights who say “ekki-ekki-ekki-pitang-zoom-boing”!

  19. LAUER: Would, would you make cuts in Social Security and Medicare?

    GINGRICH: No, no.

    Why do I feel like Two-Face is flipping a coin to decide our fate?

  20. Gingrich: Use Government Power to Trample Property Rights of Muslims

    And if that fails, he said, the state government should step in and use its considerable power to stymie the development.

    This is consistent with our view on property rights.

    1. We got nothin’

      1. I will now perform the trick of earning plaudits for my defense of Islamic school prayer in five…four…

      2. FUCK!

    2. All they’d have to do is require the Muslims to use union contractors to build it. Stymie accomplished.

      1. and they’ll need more funding.

        Lots more…

  21. Wait a minute! I thought this whole Ground Zero Mosque debate wasn’t about “property rights”… thanks for clearing that up Newt.

  22. “…in the four years I was Speaker of the House, the average rate of increase was 2.9 percent a year including all the entitlements.”

    No one has touched on this. The idea of a real fiscal conservative is to GROW the government and then brag about it. “WE only added 5 agencies and added 100,000 people to the government rolls, my opponent added 15 agencies and 1,000,000 people. There is NO WAY we will ever reduce this government.

    And he talks tough about reducing the deficit but doesn’t say anything concrete. So, if the time comes, he’ll make the really difficult decision to cut some school art program and save $100 million and feel good about it.

    1. Well, imagine that, in terms of fiscal conservatism, politicians are runners at the Special Olympics. So, one little tard runs backwards from the starting line, and all the rest get confused and follow him. While the Democrats run several laps backwards as fast as possible, Newt runs about a hundred yards and then sits down on the track and starts masturbating. If the winner, in the absence of someone reaching the finish line, is based on who came closest, Newt is first place.

    2. Just to put into perspective, for only growing the federal budget by that much, Gingrich was referred to as the Grinch.

      Yeah, it sucks that that is what is considered to be frugal for a federal pol, but there’s greater spendthrifts in control right now.

  23. Waste, fraud and abuse.

    Also, eye of newt and tail of hog, spider’s web and tongue of frog.

    PRESTO!

    *Bullwinkle withdraws rhinoceros from top hat*

    1. Again????

    2. Waste, fraud and abuse.

      Why do you have to bring the Dept. of Education into this?

    3. No doubt about it, I gotta get a new hat.

  24. Andrew Cuomo, could intervene because frankly he has the ability to slow it down for decades if he wants to.

    I hope this quote is readily available any time Gangrinich whines about Democrats’ obstructionism over the course of the next few Congressional sessions.

    1. I was wondering how exactly Cuomo is supposed to “intervene” in such a case. I wasn’t aware that either Attorney Generals or future Governors had such a power.

      1. You didn’t think people in the government have power? When did you arrive and how was the weather on your planet?

        1. Smart aleck 🙂

      2. If he’s the AG, he could file lawsuit after lawsuit. He’s not paying for it, even if he crosses the line and Park 51 has a civil suit, it’s not his money.

        1. OK… is there any precedent for such a thing? There’s zoning – which doesn’t apply here because I think they’re just rehabbing the existing building. There’s some sort of preservation hurdle, which was also passed AFAIK. Eminent domain doesn’t seem to be an issue because nobody with deep pockets has stepped forward wanting to build some mega-project on the block. What else can they do to “stop” it? The projects which tend to get stopped are things like WalMart but I didn’t think those things were stopped by the machine but rather by such companies themselves pulling out due to “public pressure” (i.e. union thugs) – which doesn’t seem to be an issue here either.

  25. Don’t most of your allies on the right harbour racist sentiments? Can’t you tunr their anti-Muslim feelings into anti-government feelings? What about those Ron Paul racist newsletters. Bring the angry white racists into the tent and turn their anger into a movement. Geez, you guys need a Lenin.

    1. Geez, you guys need a Lenin.

      eh, what we really need is a George. we’ve already got Nick as Ringo.

      1. I’m sorry, we already have a George.

    2. Max|6.24.10 @ 3:29PM|#

      Go suck ron puals dick, morons. You peeple are fucking retarded. I`m done coming to this wingnut sight. this is my last post.

      1. I never made that promise!

    3. I love lying about racism in the libertarian movement.

    4. But you know what I really love?

      Vomit. The consumption thereof.

      That is why I am here because you libertarians spew a lot of it. I normally use a spoon, but it takes at least a ladle to do the job when I am here.

      1. Sounds yummy.

  26. “Gingrich: Use Government Power to Trample Property Rights of Muslims”

    Olberman much?

    1. Please explain how that is not a fair summary of Gingrich’s opinion.

  27. Most of us don’t see any problem with this.

  28. No one was interested in buying that building. But now that a muslim wants to move in, everyone is up in arms.

    1. TrickyVic, only if by “everyone” you mean 0.001% of the city, and if by “up in arms” you mean attending a rally.

  29. Rahm, I need you to send a message to those bankers on Wall Street who backed me in ’08 but have said they will not be doing so in ’12. Tell them I understand. I can even look the other way if they are willing to throw their money Newt’s way instead. If I can’t win against that weirdo, I don’t deserve a second term.

    1. Wishful thinking Barry. No way Newt survives us.

      http://tinyurl.com/chjo9s

  30. This is a surprise?

    The man is an amoral, narcisistic scumbag. He will quite literally say and do anything if it means more influence and power for him. There is no right or left, conservative or liberal…..or even moral or immoral with Newt. It’s all about “what’s good for Newt Gingrich and who do I have to step on to get it?”

    Obviously, this could be said for alot of politicians, but Gingrich is one of the worst. He only barely covers it with rhetoric and talking points.

    Summary: He’s Richard Nixon, glib.

  31. Gingrich is a fuck.

    1. I usually don’t swear, but can’t find a better comment to endorse that sums up my attitude towards Grincher. So I’ll just say: ditto.

  32. If Gingrich had a conscience, he would have killed himself long ago.

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  35. So, note how the Enviro-nutjobs use the legal apparatus to stop/grind-to-a-halt economic development projects?

    Is there something fundamentally different between using legal and governmental apparatus to slow/halt the GZM (Ground Zero Mosque)?

    Not in my mind. Time to feed the gander-poop to the goose.

    1. You know, the Muslims who want to build this mosque are probably closer politically to conservatives than to environmental lefties. So the idea of getting back at envirowhackos by fucking with conservative Muslims is even stupider than it would be normally.

      1. Tupla, I think that Muslims will be allowed to build the Islamic Center at Ground Zero, and I think that this is a good thing. However, it is eye opening to see so many Liberal reports go into hesterics over Muslims facing the same threat to their property rights that many other Americans have been facing for years. Reason has consistently stood up for property rights, but the mainstream media is only upset this time around, because the injustice is happening to Muslims. The New York Times’s new headquarters is built on land that was taken by eminent domain. I would bet that their articles this summer strongly supported the proposed Islamic Center at Ground Zero.

  36. I understand what you’re saying but Muslims just make it so damn easy to hate them.

    1. Muslim terrorist attacks are designed to great strong negative emotions and to tie these emotions to Islam. The strategy is to invoke fear so that the attacked population will make more concessions at the negotiating table. It’s a messy process, and it often creates hate rather than fear. Considering the attacks on 9/11, these emotions are perfectly natural. However, we shouldn’t allow oursleves to be ruled by negative emotions. Forsaking the principle of equality to give Muslims special status out of fear is immoral. So is forsaking equality to give Muslims diministed status out of hate.

  37. The FACT is that Newt Gingrich is absolutely correct on the dangers of Islam and Sharia Law.

    Matt Welch’s ignorance of Islam and it’s tenet of jihad, which is required of EVERY Muslim is not surprising. Until Matt bothers reading the Koran, Sira (Life of Mohammed) and Hadith (Traditions of Mohammed) he will not begin to understand this intolerant, barbaric Political System and Religion.

    If you believe, Matt, that Islam is a religion of peace, you are a “fool”. A “fool” because you have had plenty of time in your life to study Islam, it’s practice and traditions and understand how 1,400 years of jihad have never ceased.

    Islam and Mohammed teaches and commands that Muslims can murder, torture, rape, abuse and steal from kafirs (non-Muslims)with not only impunity but Allah “hates and despises” kafirs.

    Jihad is political and a religious requirement in Islam. Jihad is REQUIRED of all Muslims and is practiced by donating a portion of Zakat (Charity ONLY to other Muslims)to jihad. Muslims DO NOT give charity to kafirs (non-Muslims). There is no choice but to support violent jihad and jihadists. This support can be with the pen, the voice or the sword and a percentage of ALL Zakat goes to jihadist organizations and terrorists. Read the Koran, Sira and Hadith.

    There is no Golden Rule in Islam and Muslims may treat Muslims one way and kafirs another. But don’t take my word for it. Read the Koran, Sira, Hadith and know the truth. It is “written”. Praise be to Mohammed. Allah is Great and forgiving (only if you are a Muslim).

    You’re an ignorant dhimmi, Matt Welch. You are incapable of “reason” without knowledge or understanding of a subject. You have NO KNOWLEDGE of Islam. Do not depend on a Muslim teaching you about Islam or Mohammed; Muslims are commanded to LIE to kafirs using “taqiyya” (deception) to protect Islam from an understanding by kafirs. Read and study the Koran, Sira and Hadith.

    I have refrained from quoting directly from Allah or Mohammed. Do not allow Muslims to quote Mohammed’s poetry or paeans to the people of the book (Jews and Christians) during his initial 13 years of unsuccessful proselytizing in Mecca when he managed to “convert” only 150 Arabs to Islam before they kicked him out of the city.

    After one year in Medina, Mohammed developed the idea of jihad and began to raid Meccan traders on their way to Syria, outside of Medina. All kafirs had a choice, accept Mohammed as the Prophet of Allah or die or be taken into slavery. It was a great way to raise money also. Muslims were given two positive reasons for being Muslims: 1) they got to share the booty and slaves (Mohammed got one fifth of the lot) and 2) If a Muslim died while killing and stealing for jihad,he went straight to Heaven. Now how good a deal was that?

    Jihad works exactly today the same way it has for 1,400 years. Mohammed had developed the most successful Political System in history. He returned to Mecca in nine years with 10,000 Muslims and they all (but several he murdered who had dissed him) converted. He returned to Medina in two months and shortly thereafter died.

    Mohammed was the most influential Warrior and Political Leader in History; as a religious leader he was a dud until jihad combined his religious zealotry with his political and cultural ideas.

    The result has been 1,400 years in which Islam has murdered over 60,000,000 Christians, 80,000,000 Hindus, and tens of millions of other kafirs of all faiths (Jews, Buddhists et al. It continues today.

    I suggest you begin studying Islam, Mohammed, the history and begin thinking and reasoning as to what EXACTLY is occuring at Ground Zero and the Islamists pushing that project. You’ll be surprised what you discover with just a little curiosity. It won’t kill you. But Islam may, depending where you travel.

    1. I don’t think a single person here ever spoken a word in defense of Sharia law. Were that even a possibility in the U.S., we’d probably be the first on the front lines against it, as everything about it is more abhorrent to our views on liberty than say, for many conservatives, who could appreciate it’s enforcements on sexual morality, for example.

      But Sharia law would also support the confiscation of the property of those who disagree with them. So why are some stooping to their level, when we are supposedly better and freer than they are?

    2. Jgreene, there is a large risk to freedom from dictatoral Muslim majority countries and from Muslim terrorist groups, but they do not represent all Muslims. Kosovo and Albania a great expamples of tolerant Muslim majority countries. Many Muslims are willing to ingore some tennents of Islam. Islam strictly forbids homosexuality, but if you go to the gay adult chat rooms in yahoo this Friday and Saturday, you’ll see scores of Muslims looking to fool around.

    3. What does that have to do with the U.S.? What are they going to do to us and how are they going to do it? Do you really believe that enough Americans will convert to Islam to make conquest even slightly possible? Because if Americans don’t willingly take part then the Muslims have no chance whatever they intend.

      If the Muslims mean to “terrorize” us into conversion they’re not working very hard at it. The U.S. is full of soft easy targets and they’re not hitting them. 9/11 is an outlier.

  38. Great strategy calling Newt and the other 67+% of us that do not want to see the Islamo-facists build a tribute to their evil deed in the shadow of the Towers.

    Clearly choosing the name Reason was/is an oxymoron.

    1. Islamo-fascists? The only fascist here is Gingrich

    2. Clearly choosing the name Reason was/is an oxymoron.

      I’d been looking for an excuse to drink! Thanks!

    3. Uh, since the sun doesn’t rise or set in the south, the Burlington Coat Factory was never in the shadow of the Port Authority’s white elephant eyesore our great national sacred buildings.

      1. Tulpa, at noon the sun is in the south if you are in the Northern Hemisphere. There are shadows between sunrise and sunset.

    4. Your name rhymes with ‘fart’.

      Haa Ha

  39. Newt is no longer relevant. He can go Scozzafava himself.

  40. The loathesome ex-House Speaker, who has been singularly awful on the Ground Zero mosque issue, reaches down into the septic tank for more:

    I’m not surprised. Newt was hawking fear over Global Warming several years ago. Now he’s peddling the same emotion in a new package.

  41. I had a few hours to spare in Manhattan this weekend, so I visited the neighborhood in question.

    First of all, the mood at Ground Zero is much better than it was 8 years ago. Back then, everyone looking at the site was full of grief. Now, the prevaling attitude is that we are rebuilding.

    Second, I feel very justified in calling Park 51 the Islamic Center at Ground Zero, because a part of the plane landed in the Burlington Coat Factory Building.

    Third, the Burlington Coat Factory Building has amazing Greek Columns in the front. It would take hardly any effort to donate these columns to local design schools as a good will gester to the NYC historic preservationist community, but the thought hasn’t even occured to the planners of the Islamic Center at Ground Zero.

    Fourth there is a group of about 10 Americans quietly holding a vigil for peace and religious tolerance every Saturday and Sunday at the site of the Islamic Center at Ground Zero, but you’ll never hear about it in the news, because quiet vigils don’t make for good headlines. I debated a couple of these demonstrators. They were good folks who I can 80% agree with, but they were misinformed about a few things and they were inconsistant in their dedication to religious tolerance. While they stand up for the right of Mulsims to build where ever they want, they don’t think that Jews should have that same right.

  42. One last thought for today. The coalition of supporters for the Islamic Center at Ground Zero are holding their rally for religious tolerance and interfaith understanding on September 10th, during Rosh Hashana. That’s like planing a community wide interfaith diner for Christmas Eve. I’ll be generous and assume that it was a rooky mistake made by some good intentioned individuals, but it still stings a bit to see that they didn’t even bother look at the calander.

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  44. Desecration of sacred sites if fully within the zoning rights of local government to prevent. If it was not, it would be permissible to build a circus or casino on the site of Gettysburg, or any of the areas that represent major incidents in American history. The Imam and Muslims should not expect such an invasion not to produce a boomerang of heightened fear and disgust at any attempt to “return to normal.” For that site, there is no more normal, for trade, or for emotions – in respect of the persons who died there, and in respect of the persons who tried to save those who could be saved. It is the reason flag burning is now frowned upon, and the building of a mosque near 9/11 would appear to be the Muslim flag upon the cornerstone of their victory, not a concession or message of peace.

    The mosque issue lies within the realm of respecting the dead, much in the way Americans should respect the lives of the living. The World Trade Center is now a grave site, a battlefield no different than Gettysburg. If it was not, no memorial tribute would be necessary to mark their memory. Placing a temple near the site of that battlefield can only desecrate the dead, and insult the living, and all they stand for. No doubt the same would be true in the Islamic world if the situation was reversed.

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