Taxes

If It Looks Like a Duck, It's Probably Obama Talking About Taxes

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Americans for Tax Reform (ATR) catches President Obama tweaking his campaign pledge not to raise taxes on households earning less than $250,000 a year so that it conforms to his actions after taking office. In his weekly radio address on Saturday, Obama said:

One thing we have not done is raise income taxes on families making less than $250,000. That's another promise we've kept.

Except that wasn't the promise he made. Here is what he said on September 12, 2008, in Dover, New Hampshire (emphasis added):

I can make a firm pledge: Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 will see their taxes increase—not your income taxes, not your payroll taxes, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.

Not a lot of wiggle room there. Obama broke this promise barely two weeks into his presidency by signing a bill that included a 156-percent increase in the federal cigarette tax, which not only hits the nonwealthy but is one of the most regressive taxes around. By ATR's count, the health care bill Obama signed last month includes another seven tax hikes that affect the under-$250,000-a-year crowd. In fact, since four of these changes will increase people's income tax bills, they violate even the edited version of Obama's pledge that he presented on Saturday. For example, as Peter Suderman noted last week, the law raises the threshold for deducting medical expenses from 7.5 percent of income to 10 percent. As a result, people with substantial medical expenses will pay more income tax. But as I noted in a column last November, "When the president does it, it's not a tax."

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  1. Don’t forget the new tax on Americans without government-approved health insurance.

    Or is it a regulation of interstate commerce?

    1. Of course it’s regulation of interstate commerce.

      If people fail to purchase health insurance in large numbers, it would have a substantial influence on price and market conditions. Failure to purchase insurance in this sense competes with buying insurance. The stimulation of commerce is a use of the regulatory function quite as definitely as prohibitions or restrictions thereon. This record leaves us in no doubt that Congress may properly have considered that failing to purchase insurance, if wholly outside the scheme of regulation, would have a substantial effect in defeating and obstructing its purpose to stimulate trade therein at increased prices.

      1. God damn I love this site.

      2. “The stimulation of commerce is a use of the regulatory function quite as definitely as prohibitions or restrictions thereon.”

        The most important, and mostly ignored, question is: Is it *right*?

    2. According to the constitution accountability center’s investigation of the Health Bill, They concluded that the mandate is considered a tax.

  2. You’ve got to give Obama credit for chutzpah — that’s some brazen lying.

    1. I heard one of the bimbo cable-newsreaders actually pronounce the ch (as in “church”) in chutzpah yesterday. I nearly blew a scrambled egg through my nose.

      1. That wasn’t a newsreader, but rather, a corpsman.

        1. It’s a good thing your name is Obama instead of Bush.

          Otherwiase you would have raked over the coals for a month for that verbal fumble.

      2. Thanks for the visual.

    2. No kidding. His utter shamelessness is so staggering, even for a politician, in an odd way you almost have to admire it.

      1. Thank you for your admiration citizen! We’ll assume that is a nod for support of our policies. Nancy told you you’d like it once you got used to it.

        More KY?

      2. In Obama’s defense, he’s been this shameless for over a decade and hardly anyone cared before.

        1. You want me to do WHAT?

          1. He wants you to wear the Seven of Nine costume along with a huge strap-on dildo, while saying the line “resistance is futile, your ass will be assimilated!”

  3. RACIST!

    SPECIESIST!

  4. If It Looks Like a Duck, It’s Probably Obama Talking Lying About Taxes

  5. Goal-post moving? I see he’s learned well from joe.

    1. He’s lying through his teeth in some of the toughest most friendly media environments in the nation.

  6. Obama broke this promise barely two weeks into his presidency by signing a bill that included a 156-percent increase in the federal cigarette tax

    Oh come on! Smokers aren’t human! So it isn’t a lie!

    1. ::smirks:: I think I love you.

      1. So what are you so afraid of?

        1. Afraid? Of what?

          1. It’s a line from an old song, Steff.

    2. No, no, no, it’s that smokers obviously don’t love their family (secondhand smoke, you know), so they’re not actually a family. So no “family making less than $250,000” saw their taxes increased– just aggregations of hateful, spiteful bitter smokers.

      1. Good point. Home-smokers are obviously insensitive Nazis, and who isn’t for raising taxes on Nazis?

        1. Right. And non-home smokers (like me, who go outside) are clearly Nazi sympathizers and sub-human because… uh… we’re uh… polluting the public air in horrible ways and someone sniffed our foul smoke stench from two hundred yards and DROPPED DEAD ON THE SPOT.

          Because that is exactly what happens.

          1. That’s what they taught us in allergy classes Steff. The CDC told us so.
            Glad to see you are paying attention.

            Yep, right on the spot. Like a bird.

            1. I was. I have all my notes, still. I think this is where I’m supposed to cry and beat my chest because the only reason I smoke is because a Philip Morris spokesman came to my home and shoved a lit cigerette into my mouth while holding a gun to my head. Because for (mostly) liberals (and a few conservatives), you are both:

              1.) A horrible, degenerate sub-human

              AND

              2.) A victim of that horrible, degenerate tobacco industry.

              I have yet to figure out how that actually works.

              1. You will learn, Steff, but it may take some time. But that’s OK. Time is something we have plenty of. That, and this-here Bag o’ Lies. You’d be surprised at how many people believe in it. It’s like the Bible!

          2. If you were a good Nazi, you’d quit smoking!

    3. Hmmm. Obama is a smoker.

      And smokers are aren’t human.

      So, Obama isn’t human?

      Perhaps the Birthers *were* onto something….

      Well, at least he is willing to tax himself, so it proves he’s not a hypocrite.

      [/endsnark]

      1. I is not like he can run to the local Circle K and grab a pack, so I am guessing the smokes were are added to the White House shopping list. So I doubt he raised the taxes on himself. (At least while he is still in office.)

        1. That just gave me a wonderful mental image of Obama putting on a fake beard and a hat and wandering down to the nearest convenience store to buy cigarettes. Shoulders hunched over, furtively glancing around to make sure no one recognizes him.

    4. The cigarette bill was a holdover from the previous administration. It is intellectually dishonest to blame him for that.

      1. Vetoed by the previous administration.

        1. You don’t read too well. His promise was that “under his plan” taxes would not go up. A bill that was passed before his administration began is not part of his plan.

          1. Then, to be consistent with his promise, shouldn’t he have vetoed the bill?

            1. Veto a bill that has already passed?

              1. That’s kinda how it works. You don’t veto bills the congress didn’t pass. Piece of advice: When people accuse the Left of not respecting the Constitution, do your side a favor and keep quiet.

      2. The cigarette bill was a holdover from the previous administration Congress. It is intellectually dishonest to blame him Bush for that.

      3. Forrest, shut the fuck up. No, really.

    5. So that makes Obama not human then? The birthers would have a field day with that!

  7. So he’s not just a malevolent Jimmy Carter, he’s a malevolent Bush I (“read my lips…”). At this rate, he’ll be Ming the Merciless in no time.

    1. I can’t wait to see Michelle’s costume!

    2. I’ll save every one of you.

      1. To the music of Queen!

        1. Thank you Epi. Now you got “Princes of the Universe” stuck in my head.

          I hate you so much.

          1. They shoot unicorns dont’ they?

            1. I want a gun big enough to shoot unicorns. You think they could be stuffed in the barrel of an 18″ naval gun, or do we need something bigger still?

          2. Ha ha ha ha!

            Flash, ah ahhh…he’ll save every one of us!

            1. The It’s Always Sunny… musical totally ripped Queen off in their closing number.

      2. I’ll fuck every one of you first!

        1. Me first! Me first!!!

          1. Working on Choad right now. Don’t worry tasty cakes, I’ll get to you soon.

    3. THAT is an insult to me and ALL Mongoloids!

      I demand satisfaction!

      1. I got your satisfaction right here. Bend over!

        1. and no KY for you, bub!

    4. No! Not the bore worms!

  8. He said “my plan.” Unless these tax measures are word for word “his plan” then he can claim it was “Congress’ plan” not his. He just had to sign it because of those evul Republicans.

    1. But then he said “we” and “haven’t raised income taxes” which isn’t true. (As spelled out in the article)

      1. He was using the royal “we”.

  9. President and Mrs. Obama released their tax returns today, the Los Angeles Times reports. They reported income of $5.5 million and paid $1.792 million, or less than a third, in federal income taxes. Obama believes taxes on “the rich”–a category that would include him–should be much higher. Is there a contradiction between his believing this and paying taxes at existing rates?

    http://www.latimes.com/news/na…..3631.story

  10. Obama’s a smart and well-meaning fellow. It’s shit like this that makes presidents age so poorly. Someone in the administration PR machine sent him a memo last week changing the talking point. “Income” was italicized so he knew not to forget it. Because he’s a smart fellow he recognized immediately that this was goalpost moving at its very best. But he went out and said it anyway, and then lied about it. So in other words, Obama is smart, well-meaning scum.

    1. Obama’s a smart and well-meaning fellow.

      Highly debatable. He’s hired Geithner and Summers, proving on economics that he’s either a complete dumb-fuck or ill-intentioned or both.

  11. Go suck Ron Paul’s dick, Sullum.

    1. Who let Edward out of the basement?

      1. Oh, sorry about that. I thought for sure his gimp outfit was properly secured to the tether line. It won’t happen again.

  12. I am considering a internet usage fee on political commenting. People are getting too much enjoyment out of nitpicking my meaningless campaign utterances for the government not to wet its beak a little on these blog discussions.

    1. Or perhaps, “wet its bill“.

      1. Don’t worry Boss, I know how you feel!

        Already on the case….

        (Cue Margot Kidder freak out)

        1. Hey Alan, you have a prominent brow ridge like a Neanderthal.
          Coincidence or inbreeding?

  13. Cool it, guys, you’re hurting Max’s feewings.

  14. Hate to break up the circle-jerk here but cigarette taxes are not paid by the people who buy cigarettes, but rather by the people who sell them.

    1. Do you smoke? Uhm, how do you explain my pack of cigarettes going up several dollars, once those taxes were passed?

      1. Don’t you know taxes paid by a retailer/manufacturer are not passed on to the consumer? It is apparently a belief of liberals.

      2. Do not feed the troll.

        Thank you.

        1. I haven’t all day. Let’s make it another 364.

        2. I’m trying not to, but dammit, sometimes it’s so hard.

          1. That’s what she said.

            I am so sorry.

            1. Prove it. >)

          2. Steff, if i may make the suggestion of rolling your own from cans or bags.
            Added benefit of always having some cool rolling papers around.
            Higher tax rate but it’s still a massive savings over prepack.

            1. All natural tobacco VS frankensmokes too.

              1. I’ve looked into that. Also into electronic cigarettes, which work on vapor. I’m trying the latter, but am seriously looking into any option now that’s cheaper than paying for everyone else’s pet programs.

                1. E-cigs? Do you think that lets you off the hook?

                  The American Lung Association doesn’t think so

                  1. Off the nicotine hook, no not really, off a majority of the toxins associated with smouldering plant material … u betcha.
                    The ALA is mostly full of shit on this.
                    http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspo…..ading.html

    2. FULL METAL RETARD

    3. Wow, do you really believe that the total cost of an item to a store owner bears no relationship at all to the price at which he sells it?

    4. SHUT UP DANNY DEVITO

    5. Do not feed the troll.

      Thank you.

    6. F for trolling. For ignorance of basic economics, an incomplete.

    7. I don’t believe that you are that stupid.

    8. If by “paid by” you mean “collected from,” then you are (I think) correct, Scotch. The last “hands” to touch the tax money prior to it being touched by the gov’t. would be the seller. Tell me, were you just being very precise in your semantics, here? Or something else?

    9. SH fuck you. Sorry if I fed him.

    10. DUMB DUMB DEEDLY DUMB!

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    1. Nice. I’ve been waiting for ASCII art to make a comeback since the salad days of USENET.

    2. I posted that once. The response was pretty negative.

    3. WTF AM I LOOKING AT? IS IT HOT?

    4. Jean-Luc Picard?

    5. Jean-Luc Picard?

      1. I heard you the first time, goddamnit! I’m busy!

    6. FACEPALM YOU FOOLS, FACEPALM!

  16. ^That was for Scotch, BTW

  17. So anyone who disagrees with the libertarian dogma is branded a “troll”. This is why I left here 2 years ago. That, and people spoofing me. Grow up.

    1. Do you think using terms like “circle-jerk” puts you on the high ground?

    2. Perhaps you should redepart.

    3. who were you 2 years ago? Jersey McJones? that idiot?

      1. Wasn’t that more like 4 years ago?

    4. Nah, he claims to be the reincarnation of Dan T.

      1. Please don’t…you know.

    5. No, insufferable smug assholes who continually make bad-faith lazy arguments get branded trolls. Shut the fuck up, Dan T.

      1. Just ignore them. It’s the first step to wellness.

        1. I drove Lonewacko away, and he was mightier than these idiots.

          1. It’s true. I wish I had saved that thread. It is truly the stuff legends are made of.

            1. If only I had thought to take a screenshot, dude. I AM A GOLDEN GOD

              1. How long ago was it? I might even be willing to go looking, if it’s still there. XD

                1. You can’t. The powers-that-be at Reason deleted the thread.

                  1. Aw man, really? I was looking forward to that. Anyone have a synopsis?

                    1. I called Lonewacko a child molester, and he got all pissy and demanded I retract it or he would sue me. Then the thread disappeared and he never posted again. Speculation is he threatened Reason with a lawsuit.

      2. It’s quite presumptuous of you to judge my faith.

    6. Grrr. I hate it when some troll claims that they’re me. No one here can suck Obama’s dick wetter and longer than I do. You should see my jaw, NO HINGE!

      1. And a remarkably smooth lack of dentition.

        Damn your good!

        1. Wanna fist?

          1. I’m game!

  18. Obama admin. limits contract bidding to union shops

    It’s official ? federal agencies can now require that contractors be unionized to bid on large federal construction projects. A ruling sent down by the White House on Tuesday finalized an Executive Order President Obama signed last year, which promotes the use of Project Labor Agreements (PLAs) on federal contracts. PLAs are pre-hire, collective-bargaining agreements with unions that establish terms of a large contract.

    http://dailycaller.com/2010/04…..ion-shops/

  19. I can make a firm pledge: Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 will see their taxes increase?not your income taxes, not your payroll taxes, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.

    Time to revisit some analysis.

    “I can make a firm pledge” -> I am able to; however, I am not actually.

    “Under my plan” -> Plans are not what happens in reality.

    “no family making less than $250,000 will see their taxes increase?not your income taxes, ….” -> 1) Note the clever rendering of the statement meaningless via the “their”/”your” switch. 2) Anyway, how can a *family* *see* something as abstract as taxes increasing?

    Continuing to study Obamaese …

  20. At this point I’m almost looking forward to the inevitable rise in the middle class income tax, just so I can watch the insane mental and verbal gymnastics O and his supporters engage in to try to insist that he has still kept this pledge.

  21. http://thehill.com/blogs/on-th…..s=facebook

    “JCT: Healthcare law to sock middle class with a $3.9 billion tax increase in 2019
    By Jay Heflin – 04/12/10 02:37 PM ET
    Taxpayers earning less than $200,000 a year will pay roughly $3.9 billion more in taxes ? in 2019 alone ? due to healthcare reform, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation, Congress’s official scorekeeper.

    The new law raises $15.2 billion over 10 years by limiting the medical expense deduction, a provision widely used by taxpayers who either have a serious illness or are older.

    Taxpayers can currently deduct medical expenses in excess of 7.5 percent of their adjusted gross income. Starting in 2013, most taxpayers will only be able to deduct expenses greater than 10 percent of AGI. Older taxpayers are hit by this threshold increase in 2017.

    Once the law is fully implemented in 2019, the JCT estimates the deduction limitation will affect 14.8 million taxpayers ? 14.7 million of them will earn less than $200,000 a year. These taxpayers are single and joint filers, as well as heads of households. “

  22. Read my lips!

  23. At least he raised the chocolate ration to 25 grams.

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