Bush Speechwriter Condemns "Hairy-Chested Libertarians" for Hatin' on T.R.
Former George W. Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson, writing in the Washington Post, is appalled and that Teddy Roosevelt has become "the conservatives' new demon." Excerpt:
The problem with America, apparently, is not just the Great Society or even the New Deal; it is the Square Deal. Or maybe [Glenn] Beck is just being too timid. Real, hairy-chested libertarians pin the blame on Abraham Lincoln, who centralized federal power at the expense of the states to pursue an unnecessary war -- a view that Ron Paul, the winner of the CPAC presidential straw poll, has endorsed.
Lincoln doesn't need defenders against accusations of tyranny -- the mere charge is enough to diagnose some sad ideological disorder. But the Rough Rider also does not deserve such roughing up.
Gerson counters that the Rough Rider is a "distinguished ancestor" of "reform conservatism," which the columnist describes as "the use of incremental reform to diffuse radicalism." Roosevelt's contemporary critics, on the other hand, are radical time-travelers hurtling back to the Stone Age:
In the name of constitutional purity, they propose a great undoing. Not just the undoing of Obamaism. Undo Medicare and Social Security. Undo the expansive American global commitments that proceeded from World War II and the Cold War. Undo progressive-era economic regulations. Undo the executive power grab that preserved the union. Undo it all -- until America is left with a government appropriate to an isolated, 18th-century farming republic.
Cupla comments: 1) Libertarians have chest hair? 2) The battle over the contemporary conservative/Republican soul, with its crucial weapon of who gets to marginalize whom, continues to be a fascinating exercise, especially from the outside looking in. It's no surprise at all that a former Dubya mouthpiece would be taking aim precisely at those from his broader political tendency who do not look back at 2000-2008 with nostalgia. 3) There is more than plenty to criticize about Teddy Roosevelt, or any other president (yes, even Lincoln, though that's certainly not what gets me up in the morning). Roosevelt, whatever his virtues, was a megalomaniac, a born crusader and military expansionist who believed in "race purity" and puffing up the Executive Branch to previously unpondered levels. He was a juvenile tuff guy and Wild West romance novelist who thrilled libertarian-hatin', late-20th century Republicans with his sermons against capitalism's "selfishness." It should be no surprise that after that 10 years of Teddy Roosevelt Republicanism, Republicans are once again asking whether that was such a good idea after all.
Reason on T.R. (not all of it negative), here.
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You mean the same T.R. that Samuel Clemens described as "insane"?
Yeah, that's the one. The guy who advocated being sneaky and violent as a foreign policy: "walk softly and carry a big stick".
-jcr
Shut the fuck up, Michael Gerson.
Mr. X said all that needs to be said. Thread can stop here ? all further comments are filigree
And my friends on both sides of the political aisle wonder why libertarians say there's no difference between D and R.
Gerson really is the worst of the major newspaper columnists. He makes Tom Friedman look like Mark Twain.
Well, Friedman does have the walrus moustache.
Oh. I get it.
+1
Last week Ron Paul and tea parties this week libertarians... maybe Ron Paul does have a chance, if a neo-con cocksucker feels the heat, then there must be something there...
Like WMD?
Would the smoking gun in this case be a whistling tea kettle?
As somebody famous said in the past, "First they ignore you, etc. etc."
Those words inspire me to this day.
No one will ever convince the intelligentsia that TR (or FDR) was bad, just like no one will ever convince them that Coolidge was good. Regardless of the evidence.
It's like Global Warming: settled politics.
+1
Coolidge was indeed THE BEST. No wait, maybe Warren Harding.
OKay we have a poll!
Best president:
Coolidge or Harding?
Winning coalition gets to crucify the remains of both the Roosevelts and shove monkey-poo into Lyndon Johnson's casket.
The one who died three weeks after he took office, whichever president that was...stupid memory. Curse you, brain slug!
After taking a 'Which President are You' quiz i've developed some appreciation for Grant.
*shrugs*
Tippecanoe and Tyler Too!
William Henry Harrison
"I died in 40 days!"
we are the adequate, forgettable, occasionally regrettable, caretaker presidents of the USA.
Coolidge
He's the return "Normalcy" President without all of the corruption. And he was our last libertarian President, before all hell broke lose.
You forgot Hoover.
Hoover was no Libertarian. He started all the shit that Roosevelt later re-branded as the "new deal".
-jcr
Coolidge had some blemishes too. His administration pressured banks to make bad loans to Latin American countries.
Plus, Eisenhower, Reagan, and Bush I weren't that bad from a libertarian POV.
Grover Mother-Fuckin' Cleveland, numb-nuts!
Grover has my vote
I prefer the first to thirty-eighth plus the fortieth presidents in their present condition.
You're pro-zombie?
No, if I were American, I'd have voted for Barr, not McCain.
You are American, Aresen.
With all the news here being about the Olympics, I must have missed the annexation.
I'm guessing Pro Lib was saying that you reside on the North American continent, and thus are also an American, in the same way that Mexicans are Americans too.
This would be the correct answer. We're in continental harmony, Aresen.
The annexation doesn't happen until after China invades Alaska, of course.
I think the assumption is since WE own YOUR podium, we get the rest of your sorry ass nation too. Except Quebec. Really, who would want that?
Yeah, it's full of drunken idiots who talk weird. Almost as bad as Kentucky, except far fewer cousins get married.
When I think of all the things John McCain has in common with T.R., I grudgingly have to admit that Obama is a marginally better president than McCain would have been. (Please don't skip over any of my adverbs.)
Maybe. Depends on how bipartisan McCain would've gotten. I think he would've been bad, but I also think he'd have been willing to fight the Democrats on, well, something. Unlike Obama. I was going to say "Hobama", but I think that might be racist.
To me, there was something frighteningly Dr. Strangelove about McCain singing, "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran." No commander in chief should ever be that glib about war.
Reagan joked about nuking Russia, and he never did it.
Just kidding, McCain's nuts. I've always contended that he's really just in politics to get revenge on the Vietnamese.
Well, he did talk about forming a "League of Democracies" which would of course include us, Western Europe, Japan, South Korea, Israel, etc. This "League of Democracies" would oppose a "League of Autocracies" with China being among them. Scary stuff....
http://atlanticreview.org/arch.....acies.html
Wilsonianism for the 21st century.....Thank God he lost
Would they have worn super-hero suits and capes?
If the UN had been named "The Justice League of America", history would've been very different.
I say McCain would have been marginally less worse overall than Obama.
The word "better" does not belong anywhere in the vicinity of these two, unless used ironically or in conjunction with a negative.
Perhaps, but in the long run we are better off with Obama. Look at all the good stuff that has come out from Obama being president that would not have happened if McCain had been in.
My sarcasm detector just pegged the needle, but maybe it needs recalibrating.
I would consider that akin to a comparison between doberman shit and rotweiler shit.
As a historical figure, I like TR. As a president and as a precedent, he's not so good. His cousin was worse, of course.
Yeah - if he had topped out at Governor/Assistant Secretary of the Navy/Spaniard-shooting Volunteer (because, really, who among us hasn't wanted to go shoot Spaniards in some exotic tropical locale at one point or another?) he'd have left a pretty entertaining legacy for posterity. But he had to ruin things by pushing the joke too far.
I liked him best in Aresenic and Old Lace.
by starting the Spanish American War while his boss was on vacation, TR goes down as my favorite Assistant Secretary of the Navy.
You know a guy I'm starting to warm up to? Harding. I always figured he was at the nadir, mainly because of Mencken's opinion of him.
But in the rogue's gallery that is the Hall of Presidents, I find he doesn't really stack up too badly.
And Harding's life really would make a great opera. I'll handle the libretto if anyone wants to crank out the score.
If you're serious about the libretto, I'd tackle the score, Citizen 😉
Don't forget that that little pissant Malcolm Gladwell badmouthed the shit out of him. Fuck that guy.
If it wasn't for the Teapot Dome, I'm sure Harding would have a better rep among historians, not that their opinions necessary count for much.
Any president who did so little that hardly anyone remembers them should be scored above average.
That would mean the William Henry Harrison was the best American President, and I would have to agree.
Gerson counters that the Rough Rider is a "distinguished ancestor" of "reform conservatism," which the columnist describes as "the use of incremental reform to diffuse radicalism."
Does he mean defuse? If he means reform conservatism helps to disseminate radicalism or spread it widely, then he may be right: The size of government grows and the space for private activity shrinks under the reform conservatism he has in mind. I think Gerson is revealing more than he intends with the typo.
He likely meant defuse and that the mistake was probably due to carelessness, both his and his edtor's. I have noticed a distinct decline in editing standards coincident with the introduction and spread of computerized spelling and grammar checking programs.
The "defuse argument" has some validity when one considers the social and economic conditions of the time (late 19th and early 20th Centuries). Debs drew almost 1,000,000 votes in 1920 and Thomas almost that much in 1932 as well.
Libertarians have chest hair?
Every hair on my body is chest hair. Or if I say so, it's all pubes. Or a mustache. Open borders all around. One man, one pelt.
I think Gerson is revealing more than he intends with the typo
Yep. He was thinking about my pubes.
Libertarians have chest hair?
Only the women. Thank you, I'll be here all week!
Undo Medicare and Social Security. Undo the expansive American global commitments that proceeded from World War II and the Cold War. Undo progressive-era economic regulations. Undo the executive power grab that preserved the union.
Sounds like a good plan. Where do I sign up?
Kinda my thought as well. Where's the downside here?
Apparently, if we do all that, we'll wind up with "a government appropriate to an isolated, 18th-century farming republic."
Which to my mind is still a feature, not a bug -- the same small, decentralized limited government that worked then would still work now.
Seconded. I'm skeptical but willing to try it if only because of the unemployment this would cause on K Street.
On the plus side, Teddy always loses the presidents' race at Nationals Park.
Maybe there's a reason for that. [Thumb and forefinger making L shape on forehead].
In real life FDR would lose.
Because he was a cripple.
This dude is in dire need of a swirlie.
TR thought that warfare was the health of the state; that conscription was a great institution; and he despised free speech. Lots of things about TR to absolutely despise.
Those are all good things to think, TR was great.
1. Free Speech leads to conspiracy theories and all intellectuals know that is bad.
2.Conscription is a good loophole to get through the "slavery" hangups that many have.
3.Warfare is the health of this great country, if you don't like it then move to Somalia and see how much you like anarchy.
1. Yes, it's much more important to worry about The Protocols of the Elders of Zion than someone starting a war in Cuba!
Since the repeal of modernity is not an option,
Two thoughts:
(1) Sez you, tuff gai.
(2) Why does "modernism" have to mean a looming Total State, probing every deeper into every orifice?
See: part 1. I think Gerson's entire thought process is circular.
I've often wondered, what the hell did TR do that was actually, you know, good?
Ya, ya, RTFLA.
He wasn't Wilson.
His Bull Moose party enabled that scalawag Wilson to be elected. So, Roosevelt wasn't Wilson, but he's culpable for that ass clown's presidential ascendancy--one more bad thing that Roosevelt did.
Politicians like TR regulated industry because industry was a new phenomenon. Factories were new, management of them was new, and the concept of "workers" was new. He wasn't doing the things Gerson said. Progressives like TR, Wilson, and FDR overturned the ideal of limited government.
'Real, hairy-chested libertarians pin the blame on Abraham Lincoln, who centralized federal power at the expense of the states to pursue an unnecessary war -- a view that Ron Paul, the winner of the CPAC presidential straw poll, has endorsed.'
Frank S. Meyer also criticized Lincoln for his centralizing tendencies, not to mention declaring that opposition to the imperial presidency was a tenet of conservatism.
Meyer was a key editor at *National Review,* and an influential political philosopher who spoke of the link between virtue and liberty. (His enemies called his ideas 'fusionism,' as if he were trying to fuse incompatible ideas.)
In the 50s and 60s (not so much today), National Review was conservatism's flagship journal. If Gerson wants to retroactively excommunicate those who edited the journal in that era from the conservative movement, he should have the stones to say so openly.
If Gerson wants to excommunicate the editors of National Review from the conservative movement,
. . . he should repeat himself a second time.
I have chest hair, but I'm probably the only one.
Mr Jackson, you are not the only one of us with chest hair. I also have chest hair - quite a bit, in fact.
I have the opinion of Mr Lincoln that Mr Gerson denounces, though I will concede that I have just as low a view of those who wished to preserve the old type of slavery as of those who pushed Mr Lincoln's new type of slavery.
I had hoped for better from Mr Gerson, as a fellow alumnus of Wheaton College, but I'm afraid he is going to disappoint me severely.
What doesn't seem to bother libertarians is that most if not all "small government/states rights" rhetoric on the right can be traced to slavery and subsequent institutional racism in the South. Let's face it, antigovernment sentiment in America has almost always had one thing as its paramount concern.
Even though racism was the impetus for antigovernment sentiment until even recent decades, I don't think it informs the modern libertarian movement much. It's just morphed into a sort of cultish puritanism that insists on near-anarchy, which is not something that's been a part of the American political fabric since the beginning. If more people realized that "small government" rhetoric has until recently been racist code language and nothing else maybe they'd think twice about how much sense it actually makes.
Fugitive Slave Act, anyone?
Oh, and fuck you, Tony.
Hey Tony, how's that go fucking yourself working out?
I hear that Barry Goldwater had a house slave and several in the field.
Let's face it, antigovernment sentiment in America has almost always had one thing as its paramount concern.
Yes, I hate the fucking TSA for treating me like a criminal because I'm a racist.
I hate nannystatists who want to tell me what I can eat, what drugs I can take, how long the leash can be on my dog, and so on ... because I'm a racist who wants to own other human beings.
I want to make all human beings much, much more free because I want to enslave them.
Fuck off, you slaver.
You forgot the part about opposing conscription because you want slave armies.
And gun rights because we want to shoot our slaves when they misbehave.
I have slaves shoot my other slaves when they misbehave.
When I kill myself, I'm going to have my slave assist me.
Wasn't that the Roman sign that you're a pussy? At least as interpreted by Shakespeare?
Didn't the Republicans free the slaves?
I know you're not that dumb, so why pretend?
Why is that dumb? The GOP was formed as an anti-slavery party, and the slaves were freed while they were in power. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Well, actually it was formed by anti-slavery expansionists, not exactly abolitionists.
But surely you're aware that this is a totally irrelevant fact--the Republican party of the 1860s (or the 1960s for that matter) isn't the same one we have today. The GOP's base of support is in former slave states.
I want to say something smart to show you how retarded what you're saying is.... but you've already dumbed me down.
Whenever I read a Tony post, I can actually feel brain cells dying in protest.
What doesn't seem to bother libertarians...
For the record, it does in fact bother me, but like any issue the rhetoric concerning power and rights tends to reflect the perceived shortest path to victory for any given side. If the federal government had been able to be used consistently in the pro-slavery side's favor, you can bet dollars to dimes that the South would have been all about preserving the Union, etcetera, and anti-slavery elements would contest the fed's right to impose/preserve slavery based on the notion of states' rights.
So no, I don't feel as though my opposition to statism is necessarily bound up with racism. It's called the Genetic fallacy, and I'm not swayed by it.
The genetic fallacy and guilt-by-association; the common tools by liberals and conservatives.
Tony,
Maybe you should read some Spooner.
There go the anti-intellectuals again. Please do not reccomend your conspiracy theory books here. Lysander Spooner was a insane anti-semite even before it was fasionable. His vitriol against the government is nothing but a sign of his immaturity.
if you believe that nutter then we only have the post office because of some government conspiracy against hard working people who don't snoop on peoples mail. That is about as realistic as aliens attacking NYC. There is no way that secret group of conspirators could have kept a secret for 300 years...obviously someone would have leaked this by now.
What doesn't seem to bother libertarians is that most if not all "small government/states rights" rhetoric on the right can be traced to slavery and subsequent institutional racism in the South,
Once again Tony, you repeat the standard propaganda line, and expose your ignorance. Besides resistance to the Fugitive Slave act, go and read the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions, which describe the duty of the states to interpose their power to protect their people from the enforcement of unconstitutional statues like the Alien and Sedition acts.
-jcr
I kind of forgot that Tony doesn't ever know what he's talking about.
Thanks for the reminder.
INCIF for the new layout is available. I dont have to read Tony anymore.
There are actually plenty of mainstream lefty historians who will argue that Lincoln overrearched in terms of executive authority. And that the Civil War centralizing power in the government and creation of a standing army led directly to a series of imperial abuses over the next half century. And that the emancipation proclamation was merely a cyncical ploy issued in desperation when the North was losing the war.
Some would say, well at least we aren't still enslaving people.
Which ought to be separable from the issue of whether the empowerment of the federal government that resulted from the war was a good thing or not.
All my slaves are of my own race. Can I still be a libertarian?
If more people realized that "small government" rhetoric has until recently been racist code language
That reminds me: fuck you, Whitey.
My greatist embarrasment of associating myself with conservatives is when some goddamn statist from "our" side praises Teddy Roosevelt. Give me Peter Bagge's bazooka and I could find a good target to practice with.
I don't think even John would make as an egregious spelling mistake as that one.
No, I like it as a neologism. A "greatist" is someone who believes in national greatness.
Good save!
One of the authors of the Daniel Bell volume says, in horror and astonishment, that the radical right intends to repeal the twentieth century. Heaven forfend! Who would want to repeal the twentieth century, the century of horror, the century of collectivism, the century of mass destruction and genocide, who would want to repeal that! Well, we propose to do just that.
With the inspiration of the death of the Soviet Union before us, we now know that it can be done. We shall break the clock of social democracy. We shall break the clock of the Great Society. We shall break the clock of the welfare state. We shall break the clock of the New Deal. We shall break the clock of Woodrow Wilson's New Freedom and perpetual war. We shall repeal the twentieth century.
One of the most inspiring and wonderful sights of our time was to see the peoples of the Soviet Union rising up, last year, to tear down in their fury the statues of Lenin, to obliterate the Leninist legacy. We, too, shall tear down all the statues of Franklin D. Roosevelt, of Harry Truman, of Woodrow Wilson, melt them down and beat them into plowshares and pruninghooks, and usher in a twenty-first century of peace, freedom and prosperity.
Of course, for all their trouble, the Russians ended up with V.V. Putin. Eh... Like 'Gretchen Ross' said in Donnie Darko, "some people are just born with tragedy in their blood."
People get the government they deserve.
>Tony writes: "What doesn't seem to bother libertarians is that most if not all "small government/states rights" rhetoric on the right can be traced to slavery and subsequent institutional racism in the South. Let's face it, antigovernment sentiment in America has almost always had one thing as its paramount concern."
Funny how it was the government that enfored racism and discrimination. Bull Connor wasn't some random citizen with anti-government tendencies.
Facts can be inconvenient, but necessary when proffering an argument. Try getting some.
Good point, Forbes.
And Bull Connor wasn't a Republican, either.
The great thing about the distant past is you don't have to have strong opinions about it. It happened. It's over. Teddy Roosevelt was what he was. Abraham Lincoln was what he was.
It's that goddam monocle. Throws off his depth perception.
Screw national greatness conservatism. It's just another form of European style social democracy.
A hairy-chested libertarian is better than a hairy-palmed neocon, any day.
True story.
I guessing Gerson is outing the fact that neo-cons are thoroughly-waxed metrosexuals?
Speaking of hairy.
I've been called 'missing link' before...
So i guess the shoe fits
I hope you're not hairier than an unshaven Steve Smith.
They call me "hombre lobo"
But what happened to federal spending as a percentage of GDP while TR was president? It declined.
And that is, after all, the only thing that matters, ever.
No, just an inconvenient fact.
And since the link didn't work: http://bit.ly/cRdOAT
Cousin It is not more hairy than an unshaven Steve Smith.
The fucking bot-squirrels are on a rampage tonight.
Not just the undoing of Obamaism. Undo Medicare and Social Security. Undo the expansive American global commitments that proceeded from World War II and the Cold War. Undo progressive-era economic regulations. Undo the executive power grab that preserved the union.
Is that list really full of such awesomeness that everyone would cry salty tears if they weent away?
America's global commitments from WWII and the Cold War? Oh the humanity!
You're not thinking enough like a neocon, Hazel.
Well you might smirk at the ceasement of our foriegn involvement but it would not be a joke. There are over 5,000 Islamo Funadamentlist that would multiply like wildfire if we were to withdraw from the world for even one week. Terrorism would come raining down on our shores and then you'd finally learn about all the great work being done now to defend your ungrateful asses.
This is a joke, right?
Please, tell me it is a joke and that this is not a real comment written by someone whose brain is indistinguishable from the sort of plant food produced by feed lots as a sideline.
Paleos are a joke right? are you a conspiracy nutter ...just let me know now so I don't have to waste anymore time talking to you if you are.
TR is an historical figure not to be judged by the standards of today. Teddy was maybe the last president to have a classical education (He never set foot in a public school, spoke several languages, etc.). "Mornings on Horse Back" by McCullough was a cool look into his young life. I dare say he would be disgusted with me, but he is someone from the past that I'd wish to meet.
Genghis Khan is an historical figure not to be judged by the standards of today. Genghis was maybe the last president to have a classical mongol education (He never set foot in a public school, spoke several mongoloid languages, etc.). "Massacres on Horse Back" by McCullough was a cool look into his young life. I dare say he would rape me to death, but he is someone from the past that I'd wish to meet.
Not only would he rape you, he'd rape you so good you'd bear a son for him
Also, I'd like to remind everyone (much belated, I know) of my favorite viking of all time, Ragnar Lodbrok... A man who raided & pillaged France innumerable times, dominated & extorted many cities and once tricked an Italian city into believing he was dead and had had a death-bed conversion to Catholicism so that he would be carried into the city with a few men in a casket.
Once inside the monastery, Ragnar emerged from the coffin to everyone's great surprise, killed the priests & monks, and fought his way all the way to the city gates which he proceeded to open from the inside to let the rest of his men into the city.
The city stood no chance.
That may be completely against all my values, but everyone has got to admit, that's pretty badass... And if that weren't enough, he named one of his sons "Bjorn Ironside".
What? No love for his other son Ivar the Boneless.
He may not have done well with the ladies, but he did lead the Great Heathen Army
I have love for all of Ragnar's many masculine sons. Each, in their own right, commanded fearsome respect.
Every year I spend a week or so hunting sharptailed grouse and hungarian partridges in the TR National Grasslands (in Medora, ND).
As beautiful as the Badlands are, I can see how spending time there like TR did, could cause a guy to crave excitement when he got back to the World.
Maybe history would be different if he had fallen in love with the fleshpots of Chicago instead of the buttes of North Dakota.
But in the end he is still just a sissy ass easterner pretending to be a cowboy.
The only "good" president you people have had is Grover Cleveland. And it appears, it only gets worse.
Thomas Jefferson and Grover Cleveland were the best presidents. Jefferson was a better propagandist for liberty, but I suspect Cleveland was a better chief executive.
So, I guess Cleveland DOES rock!
*sigh* Once more, libertarians and conservatives are conflated.
I think Bush was a great president if he didin't start that war in Iark and buy luxury cars
I think Bush was a great president
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Yeah, that's the one. The guy who advocated being sneaky and violent as a foreign policy: "walk softly and carry a big stick".
Good point, Forbes.
Thank you for the sensible critique. Me & my neighbour were preparing to do some research about that. We got a good book on that matter from our local library and most books where not as influensive as your information. I am very glad to see such informat
They are always playing the blame game
I agree with you conertible
I agree with you htc desire
I agree with you HTC Desire. Bush was a dodo
I think Bush is a joke too cynical and sarcasm. It's not polite to former US. president.
In the name of constitutional purity, they propose a great undoing. Not just the undoing of Obamaism.
thank you