Corporatism: A Love Story

Michael Moore recently visited George Washington University to do some capitalist-style promotion for his new flick Capitalism: A Love Story and got a little more than he bargained for during the audience Q&A. Check out the clip below where college libertarian Chad Swarthout gets Moore to admit that the real problem is "corporatism" and "giving too much power to government."

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[smartass sob]

Fucking Marxist.

[brotherben]

Groucho, Harpo, Zeppo, Chico and Dumbo?

[smartass sob]

Karl

[24AheadDotCom]

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Of course, I've been promoting that plan without much of any help since February 2007.

[oaktownadam]

Your plan? Can you show us any videos of you actually *doing* anything?

Nobody wants to hear about your plans. Go and do something, then maybe we'll pay attention.

[prolefeed]

I'm guessing the kid that asked the tough question there didn't do it because LoneWhackoff said to do it.

And I'm guessing LWO can't show him actually getting people like M. Moore to admit that corporatism is the problem, before cluelessly segueing back into big government promotion.

Show us you fucking DID something, LWO, or STFU. Talk about talking is cheap.

[floor tapes]

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[bmp1701]

Sorry, the Mexicans were interfering with previous upload attempts.

[24AheadDotCom]

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[oaktownadam]

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Seems like everything's going to plan, congratulations!

[plutosdad]

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[Karl]

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[Job]

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[comatus]

Well, it sure ain't Hart & Schaffner.

[floor tapes]

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[Hospitality Jobs]

He makes good points but all of his facts are simply make believe. He could still make his point without lying. I think his presentation is very good.

[Warren]

ACK! Can't watch at work. Is it as sweet and juicy as it Damon makes it sound?

[mark]

Not at all. Good question, answer fail.

[Tony B]

It was embarrassing. Moore admits that government is the primary cause of the problem and his solution is more government. I would actually like to have seen the kid debate the guy in a different setting.

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[Tulpa]

Holy fuck, I agree with Michael Moore. Well for the first 1:45 of the video.

[prolefeed]

Yes, he actually sounded libertarian for almost two minutes, before he went back into Marxist big government interventionist mode again, apparently unaware of the fucking irony.

[Jeffersonian]

Oh, I think Mikey was keenly aware...he waddled up to the edge of the abyss and blanched at what he saw, and it's the direct result of what he's begging for.

[CTHORM@IBIS]

Space-time continuum collapsing...Maybe the Higgs Boson is going to intervene soon?

[Tulpa]

Mr. Moore

With all due respect*, anyone who thinks "democracy in the workplace" is a good idea hasn't ever actually had a real job.

*aka, no respect at all

[oaktownadam]

Actually, he goes on to basically describe employee-owned businesses. Nothing wrong with those.

The problem is that Moore has been corrupted by the labor union mindset, which tells workers that they can never aspire to be anything more than just labor. You could see it at work when the UAW refused to buy out GM. The pension fund that the UAW oversaw was 100x the value of all of the outstanding GM stock just before the government took it over. But buying GM would have put the union in the uncomfortable position of being management. And if the union is management, what can the union direct worker anger towards?

[zoltan]

Workers can be capital, too.

[strat]

I think you're really on to something here. I've often wondered how he reconciles his arguments for domination by the workers of the world, as it were, and I think you hit the nail on the head.

[joshua corning]

I wonder how much of a democracy there is for his production crew or in his editing room?

[Pope Jimbo]

I wonder what the pay differential between Moore and the lowliest schlep on his latest movie was?

[Pope Jimbo]

Just looked up a few numbers.

If MM made $21M for Fahrenheit 9/11, he better hope that no one made less than $42K on his crew. Otherwise he would have to live with the burning shame of being a hypocrite.

His credibility would also take a hit. And without credibility where would Moore be? His entire career is built on solid facts and his penchant for telling the truth!

[Media Hater]

Yeah, just like Timothy Geithner. Now that they've caught him evading taxes, he's been forced to be a tax-law-writing czar on 0's staff--another career all shot to hell!

[plutosdad]

It's a much bigger spread than that evil capitalist John Mackey, who gives more to charity too, the selfish bastard who wants the poor to get sick and die!

[daily deals Sydney]

You could not just imagine that those people exist here on earth. Those people who really need some help were deprive to their needs. Poor!

[brotherben]

I heard Arriana(sp?) Huffington say on NPR this morning that the problem with our economic system is that it isn't a capitalist system because the government has too much control of businesses.

The end is obviously near.

[Speller]

That's two "n"s instead of two "r"s in Arianna. Thanks for asking.

[brotherben]

I was spelling it with her accent. But thanks for the help;}

[brotherben]

Oh, and I am real excited to see another thread about like, totally awesome filmmakers.

[BeesInTheBrain]

WTF: Did he ever answer what he considers a Democratic Free Market Place?

[Dagny T.]

Well, he does admit that what we have now is not a true free market system, but after that we part company. Fast.

When our brave, floppy-haired young college libertarian suggests that too much power in the hands of government is the problem, Moore can only sputter that government is supposed to be there to help us! And that's about where I gave up.

[JMR]

Moore never mentions the real problem with conflating capitalism with corporatism, and that real problem is the growth of NewSpeak. Another perfectly-good word is being ruined in the service of his own partisan politics.

[Jeff P]

Y'know, when Tracey Ullman plays Arianna Huffington on her show, she's really hot...

[skr]

dude, you need help.

[Timon19]

Is Moore really that stupid that he believes we have a democracy or that a democracy is what the founders intended?

And his attempt to explain the state of higher education funding ignores the fact that tuition is so fucking high precisely because so much free education is handed out.

[Invisible Finger]

Student loan offices at colleges turned down most loan applicants. They'd help with getting the paperwork through for esoteric scholarships and Pell Grants, but that never covered the full tuition.

And English Lit majors have ALWAYS managed Taco Bells, it's not a phenomenon of this generation.

[zoltan]

Aaaaaand aspiring filmmakers have always been barbacks!

[Brandybuck]

I'm an English major, and currently working as a senior software engineer. Which ain't all that unusual.

Of course, I got my degree before it became mandatory to specialize in deconstructive textual analysis.

[oaktownadam]

It was wonderful to see Moore essentially admit that the Boomers looted this country and are leaving a pile of steaming shit for the Millenials.

[Some Guy]

Sorry, us X/Yers get the steaming pile shit, Millennials only get to pay the debt service on it.

[Robert]

As a boomer, all I have to say is: Get back to work! I need my social security, punk!

[skr]

You could almost see the smoke rising from MM's ears as the cognitive dissonance melted his brain. All he could do at that point was change the subject and lament that we aren't France.

[Invisible Finger]

Michael Moore - half-baked as always.

[hmm]

Nice to see him admit the looting. Even better to watch him back the continued looting by wanting government to have a hand in everything.

[hmm]

Nice to see him admit the looting. Even better to watch him back the continued looting by wanting government to have a hand in everything.

[Attorney]

Not to be an ingrate, but next time it would be nice to have a little warning that Moore stops making sense after about 1.30. I sat through that whole 8+ minute thing waiting in vain for the kid to PWN his fat stupid ass.

[prolefeed]

I quit about 3 minutes in, when it was apparent Moore wasn't going to shock me again by making sense like he did for the first 1.5 minutes or so.

[cmace]

Actually about 6 minutes in he starts going off about how the student loan program inflates college costs.

At about 8:00 he talks about how people are pissed that the government never delivers (so lets have more of it).

[sage]

I always think of Michael Moore to be most like the character he played in Lucky Numbers. A highly underrated movie IMO.

[Brian Lockwood]

I love the way he talks about the economy. He speaks about it as if it were a magic bus that needs to be steered and controlled. Better yet, he wants to make sure that everyone on the bus gets to have a hand on the wheel.

He should really just pick a paradigm and stick with it. Either the state should do everything or individuals should control their own lives.

His idiocy would be funny if it weren't so tragic.

[Jeff]

Michael Moore's best, and most honest, role was on Team America: World Police.

[Tman]

This did not help my blood pressure one bit. Of course, I didn't expect it to so there you go.

I wish that our floppy-haired college-boy libertarian questioner would've asked as a follow up, if making 500 times the amount of the poorest worker is so horrible, THAN WHY THE FUCK DOES HE DO IT, LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK???

The amount of hypocrisy and douchebaggery contained in just EIGHT MINUTES of watching this creep is unbelievable.

I need a freaking shower.

[John C. Randolph]

I need a freaking shower.

Not as bad as Moore does.

-jcr

[Brian]

"Democracy doesn't work, nobody is doing what I am telling them to!"

[Stephen]

To Procter & Gamble went Moore,
Where he fell in machinery obscure.
Eight products divergent;
Oils, soaps, and detergent
Were rendered, plus nine bags manure.

[William F. Buckley]

Your work shows promise.

[13013]

Are you kidding? By recent standards this deserves the Nobel Prize for Literature.

[DWCarkuff]

Oh Jesus, aren't you dead or something???

[MJ]

Does it occur to Moore that there may be not a great need for English Lit majors in society and pressing need for Taco Bell managers (and similar jobs)? And that the Taco Bell managers are contributing to society? That doing some hard and perhaps unpleasant work does not preclude you from acheiving great things, but may in fact, help prepare you to do them?

How many people who have acheived great things throughout history took off for a two year vacation in their early to midtwenties?

Moore lives in a fantasy world that does not exist, never existed, and never can exist.

[comatus]

You know what? Go to hell. I was an English Lit major, and retired on my investments at age 50. Kiss my ass, you mewling pukestocking. Get a job.

[zoltan]

Where was the insult? MJ said there is not a pressing need for English Lit majors, not that they are somehow tarnished for being Taco Bell managers. I've met many a smarter manager of a business than a degree-holder.

[MJ]

I was not saying that there is anything wrong with English Lit Majors, just that the need and demand for such in society may not be that large relative to the supply.

I have very nice job as an engineer, thank you.

If you were able to retire at 50, more power to you, but why are you burdening yourself with such a large inferiority complex?

[DanD]

For someone who majored in English Lit, your reading comprehension sure is lacking.

[zoltan]

How many people who have acheived great things throughout history took off for a two year vacation in their early to midtwenties?

Or used that time to get doctoral degrees is useless subjects?

[MJ]

I also like how he says that the majority want the "public option", while ignoring that the same majority also don't want to be taxed more for it and don't want it rationed.

Michael, you are not getting what you want because what the majority wants will collapse of it's own contradictions.

[mark]

I think he's basically saying that if the government took care of everyone's health care and education, and housing and job advancement, and started punishing success by limiting salaries, well then everyone would be happy and free. The state would just melt away.

[Jeffersonian]

Doesn't he realize that one can actually participate democratically within the corporate structure by purchasing one or more shares of the company's voting stock? You can even get up at the shareholder's meeting and raise hell over executive compensation, too.

Of course, you run the risk of getting voted down. I'm almost certain that's not what MM thinks of when he says "democracy."

[David]

Didn't look like much a victory to me. Michael Moore got to spew his misinformed nonsense while the "libertarian" stood like a statue, listening. And Moore got several rounds of applause from his admiring audience. It made me sick to watch it.

[MJ]

Well, it's hard for a questioner to keep a panelist on topic in that format. Unfortunately, Moore never seemed to wrap his mind around the guy's point about government power being the problem and mostly ignored it.

[DanD]

I don't know if it was intentional, but our libertarian friend did exactly what he needed to. MM didn't know when to STFU and painfully exposed his own ignorance.

[Jeffersonian]

Moore was coherent for about two minutes, then he realized what the real outcome of his prescription was: Corporatism squared. So he babbled on about how, in some miraculous and unexplained process, giving the Central State is going to ennoble and enlighten it so that it finally starts filling potholes, educating students and curing Granny's vericose veins.

Pure fantasy.

[Jeffersonian]

Oops..."giving the Central State much more power is going..."

[John C. Randolph]

I haven't looked it up. Did Moore come out for or against nationalizing GM and Chrysler?

-jcr

[Hazel Meade]

He's got to be for. His whole career got started based on a film eludicating how evil the US automakers were for shutting down plants in Flint, Michigan (his hometown).

Seriously, someone should ask him now if he still thinks it was wrong to close those plants.

[Hazel Meade]

He's got to be for. His whole career got started based on a film eludicating how evil the US automakers were for shutting down plants in Flint, Michigan (his hometown).

Seriously, someone should ask him now if he still thinks it was wrong to close those plants.

[Hazel Meade]

I detect a problem with comment submissions ... seem to be getting double postings.

[Hazel Meade]

I detect a problem with comment submissions ... seem to be getting double postings.

[DanD]

FOR. He even advocates retooling them entirely to build electric trains for the rural folk to replace their cars. Very LOL-worthy, let me see if I can find the link.

[DanD]

Here we go:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/wo.....hael-moore

I got it wrong: he wants to build bullet trains between the major cities, light rail amongst the medium sized cities, and clean buses OMG for the ruralites.

More LOL-worthy than I remember.

[strat]

Bless young Chad for getting up there. I'm shocked that some of Michael Moore's usually logically inconsistent drivel actually met some criteria for veracity in his answers. He even admitted belatedly that French education wasn't "free." Saints preseve us!

Oh course, GWU can be a dangerous place. 20 years ago I got 'excommunicated' by the GWU Objectivists after dinner with them, for asking a hard question about the ethics of financing militaries.

I wear it as a badge of honor, as I happened to be with one of the founders of the ISIL when it happened. The Objectivists in New Hampshire seem to have good senses of humor, though, so maybe times have changed.

[willem]

Every corporation is a contractual entity; a form of partnership with the government to conduct commerce under unique protections in lieu of collecting taxes and paying them to the government along with other taxes and fees.

A corporation by definition is a totalitarian enterprise. It has to be. Every corporation is a fascist entity ruled by an inner clique led by le despot de jour, however benign.

Corporatism is a problem because, politically speaking, corporations of every tax status have become the dominant "known persons" interacting with our government. You cannot see a federal representative or head unless you represent a corporation claiming to represent some industry or issue.

This gives Capitalism a bad rap. Capital exists under every governmental form. Capital is politically neutral. It's the way access to Capital is allowed that determines the state of the State. Capital served the Soviets no different than the Dali Lama. The benefit differences are products of the philosophy and skill involved. Capital doesn't care if you squander it or create more. It just doesn't care. That's what makes it Capital.

Why can't Michael Moore figure that out?

[Punkindrublic]

Concur that MM made a little bit of sense for a "little while" before wandering back to Marxland. Other than that, this one can be shelved to the archives...forever.

[Alice Bowie]

I agree 10000000000% with what he mike moore said.

i'm not a beg fan of his...at all

[Nipplemancer]

i'm still not sure if you're a troll or a retard. i lean more toward you being retarded since you are easily offended as any retard would be.
people are "10000000000%" sure they are not the baby's father on Maury, never in agreement with Michael Moore.

[John]

I don't think Moore has any idea what he thinks or beleives. You could probably get him to agree that the Easter Bunny is the problem. Moore just figured out a schtick that makes him money and sells his movies and went with it. Things like coherence and thoughfulness really were not part of the bargain

[William Powell]

His comments about student loans in his day are a crock. I am of his generation and when I went to college I had to get a student loan from a bank, because there sure weren't any of the low intrest loans from the student aid office he remembers.

[Colin]

Yes, and knew people who went to college in the early 80s who were paying over 20% on their loans.

[MNG]

My student loans from private banks were absurdly adminstered and amazingly un-friendly to the customer; later when they went through the government everything was smooth as silk and very customer friendly. Really. I remember banks bitching about how onerous student loans were, and then the government decided "hey, you keep bitching about them, we will do them ourselves." Of course the banks through a fucking hissy-fit "oh no, you can't do that, we need those loans!"

Libertarians lauding the private sector as so efficient and remarkable make me think "these guys have never worked in the private sector." It's a fucking mess times 10 bros.

[Rob]

Working in the government is what made me a libertarian, bros.

[Hazel Meade]

What I got out of this video is that Moore thinks everyone should get free shit, and taxes are a bottomless money pit.

[tms]

Student loans on the grand scale were an invention of government for the benefit of the universities.

[Colin]

I love how he tries to hide his Marxism under his continual misuse of "democracy," just like the Soviets did.

Anyone else notice that the Utopian workforce he describes is eerily like the car company in Atlas Shrugged?

[oaktownadam]

Everything I've heard about his movie suggests that Ayn Rand already wrote the rebuttal to it over 50 years ago.

[Studebaker Hawk]

So let me get this straight, currently we pay around 30% of everything we earn, but we don't get squat from the government to show for it. They can't even 'fix the potholes in front of our house'.

So the obvious solution is to submit more of our earnings to the altruistic overlords who know what is good for us. Since 30% won't even fix a pothole, sounds like we'll need to go 100% and abolish all private property, if we want our needs to be taken care of for 'free'. People get real productive when there is no tie between how hard they work and their wealth.

Moore, do us all a favor and take up residence in that French workers paradise. You'll get along well there, they don't shower either.

[Hardy Kruger]

Michael Moore thinks O.J. is innocent. Seriously.

[sage]

I picture the following scene with OJ and his huge cellmate the first day:

BRUTUS: Well? You wanna be the husband or the wife?

OJ: Uh, I wanna be the husband.

BRUTUS: Then get over here and suck your wife's dick!

[Jim]

MM should give all the profits of his movie to the workers that worked on the movie. Or is Mike a two legged pig?

[Pansy]

The kid lifted only soft balls to Moore. He may be an incipient libertarian, but he looks too impressed with Moore's celebrity to challenge his contradictions and idiotic statements in earnest. Yeah, health care and education is not really free in France, it's paid for by other people's taxes, but that's the way the French want it; they are happy to pay higher taxes.
At that point, as a libertarian, I would have asked at least a few questions, in no particular order, instead of nodding in awed agreement:
1. Let's assume the French approve of that kind of wealth trasfer from one pocket into another. Good for them, if that's the way they want it. How's that relevant to the U.S., a much more complex and differently structured society?
2. How much did he pocket in profit from his films as compared to the lowest worker on the set? What was the ratio? (Wink-wink: subtantial! It shouldn't matter whether Moore chose to donate the profit to, say, Auto Workers Union or Saint Jude's, or buy a mansion; it's his choice.)
3. Had Moore lived, full-time, in Cuba, does he think he'd been able to build a career and a fortune speaking the opposite of what he advocates??
He'd be in jail or in the sugar cane re-education fields in no time. He'd be forced to learn songs about Fidel and Commandante Che Guevara to sing to forget the breakback, mind-numbing work.
4. Could you have said the same things you said against Bush in the U.S. against Castro as a Cuban citizen and still live a free life?
What gets to me is the sorry state young libertarian thinking is in, as proved by this GW clip. Criticism of "corporatism" is a faddish, politically-correct reaching-out to Marxist/Leninists for soft libertarians to gain some intellectual/academic derivative traction.

[BeesInTheBrain]

2. How much did he pocket in profit from his films as compared to the lowest worker on the set?
Since the movie was produced by a subsidiary of Viacom, I would ask what his salary is compared to the lowest paid of any of Viacom's employees.

[Pansy]

I stand corrected, but, as a former commie 'mankrut'(the word can be googled) i have a hard time understanding all the nuances of capitalism in the real, 21st century world--even after 20 years of de-programming! Most mankruti never recover from the zombie condition. But when you do--what an awakening!

[sage]

Yeah, capitalism sucks.

I remember when my parents got our first microwave. I believe we were the first ones on our block to get one. It was delivered by truck, and I seem to remember it costing around $1200. This was in about 1980.

Now look at what capitalism has done. You can get a microwave with more cooking power and features for one-tenth the price. And keep in mind that $1200 in 1980 would be about $3100 today. I so hate capitalism for bringing something to my household that has made life easier.

[Pansy]

Yeah, I got my first microwave 5 years ago, but I got to read whatever i wanted without the Secret Police/People's Commissar looking over my shoulder and being invited to a "discussion" in his office in the basement when what i was reading was out-of-the-party-line. That was sheer esthetic beauty. I'll never forget.

[Franklin]

There's nothing freaking wrong with being a Taco Bell manager.

[Taco Bell]

All you can eat grilled steak burritos and hot and cold running teenage pussy on tap.

[BeesInTheBrain]

You could almost see the smoke rising from MM's ears as the cognitive dissonance melted his brain. All he could do at that point was change the subject and lament that we aren't France.
What he forgot to tell the students is that in France for those 25 and under the unemployment rate is almost twice that of the US.

[Ecce_Veritas]

"Your plan? Can you show us any videos of you actually *doing* anything?"

Not necessarily true, adam.

I seem to remember our President getting a Nobel Peace Prize for things he "planned" to do.

[jeaneeinabottle]

MM did not use union labor!

[Vince]

GASP! Michael Moore admits that the name of the film should have been corporatism! Then he goes on to explain why corporatism isn't working properly, thus corrupting what capitalism is supposed to be about.

Sorry neocons, but you just can't blow the man down!

[Rob]

I think you addressed your comment to the wrong crowd. Neocons don't believe in the free market, either. Most voted for both the stimulus and the bailout packages.

[Jill]

For all his making fun of Taco Bell, he looks like he may be their best customer. Just sayin...

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[Pete]

Moore: "Maybe you are going to help build that bullet train from New York to LA that will get us there in 10 hours."

NYC to LA in 10 hours?? That's just crazy talk! My stagecoach takes 6 weeks, and that's assuming no Indian raids on the way.

[MNG]

You guys do realize that Moore will make more money with this film than any of you will in your lifetimes? The market has spoken dudes, the guy is more productive, smarter, deserving, etc., than you...

[plutosdad]

What is this "deserving" ?

[tarran]

No MNG, He does a better job of entertaining people, just like Rush Limbaugh does and Bill O'Reilly does.

Which is just fine.

Of course, the fact that he is a hypocrite that believes the path to freedom lies in increasing the amount of forcible wealth transfer and in limiting people's choices makes him completely mock-worthy regardless of how good a job he does in entertaining people.

And, incidentally, according to your metrick, Britney Spears is even smarter than Michael Moore. Do you sincerely believe this?

[Lost_In_Translation]

I would have preferred to see a video where the questioner so completely confounded Moore that Moore turned red, then blue, then white and collapsed with an aneurism in a dribbling pile of excrement relieving death on stage.

*Sigh* My desires are constantly met with disappointing failure.

[RyanT]

Moore talks about coercive health care, education, etc? like it is a panacea. Alexis de Tocqueville warned about this sort of government as one of the danger of democracy. I tend to agree.

"Above this race of men stands an immense and tutelary power, which takes upon itself alone to secure their gratifications and to watch over their fate. That power is absolute, minute, regular, provident, and mild. It would be like the authority of a parent if, like that authority, its object was to prepare men for manhood; but it seeks, on the contrary, to keep them in perpetual childhood: it is well content that the people should rejoice, provided they think of nothing but rejoicing. For their happiness such a government willingly labors, but it chooses to be the sole agent and the only arbiter of that happiness; it provides for their security, foresees and supplies their necessities, facilitates their pleasures, manages their principal concerns, directs their industry, regulates the descent of property, and subdivides their inheritances: what remains, but to spare them all the care of thinking and all the trouble of living? ... Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd."

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