Latest Weapon in Fight Against Drunk Driving: Syringes?
That's the headline to this A.P. article highlighting a new, what-could-possibly-go-wrong tactic police are using in Texas and Idaho.
When police officer Darryll Dowell is on patrol in the southwestern Idaho city of Nampa, he'll pull up at a stoplight and usually start casing the vehicle. Nowadays, his eyes will also focus on the driver's arms, as he tries to search for a plump, bouncy vein.
"I was looking at people's arms and hands, thinking, 'I could draw from that,'" Dowell said.
It's all part of training he and a select cadre of officers in Idaho and Texas have received in recent months to draw blood from those suspected of drunken or drugged driving. The federal program's aim is to determine if blood draws by cops can be an effective tool against drunk drivers and aid in their prosecution.
If the results seem promising after a year or two, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration will encourage police nationwide to undergo similar training.
This is all perfectly legal, by the way, courtesy of a 1966 U.S. Supreme Court decision. I guess it's surprising it's taken this long for it to be implemented on a broader scale.
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/shudders
We are so fucked. I don't know what to even say to this. What a authoritarian little bastard the cop in this story is.
*Obligatory blood-sucking LEO joke*
The only thing this will do is draw more vampires into law enforcement. Thanks 1966 Supreme Court!
Does anyone seriously think that the number of people who would be caught by blood tests who would not be caught by breathalyzers is significant?
It baffles me how the courts have concluded that bodily fluids & exhalations are not covered by the 4th amendment requirement for warrants and its prohibitions against unreasonable search & seizure. Your property, papers, and effects are (supposed to be) protected, but not your bodily fluids? WTF?
I am opposed to the use of syringes on religious grounds. So go ahead. I fuckin' dare ya, pig.
Fucking fucking-fuck.
Tell Obama to keep his hands off of my body.
Michael B. Sullivan,
You can refuse to blow into a breathalyzer and there is nothing the cops can do about it. They can't force you short of torture to blow into the damn thing. But they can hold you down and draw blood. This is a way around people objecting to breathalyzer tests. It is some real sick shit.
but not your bodily fluids?
I peserve my presious bodily fluids by drinking rain water and pure grain alcohol.
Wait! I know where their Commie plot is going now! Cops must drink vodka.
After the cop is done with the syringe, start pissing on his leg. "here's some more fluid for you, officer". It'd be worth the beat down.
Strike that, you'd wind up on some registry...
So now they'll just track your car to the bar/liquor store and lie in wait for you:
Via InstaPundit.com:
"FEDS LOOKING AT A Vehicle Tracking Tax? Sure. Why would anyone mind Uncle Sam knowing all about where and when they drive?
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/uncle-sam-eyes-vehicle-tracking-tax/ "
"I'm a hemophiliac!"
Mongo only pawn... in game of life.
Your Federal government: Officially endorsing vampirism since 1966 (apparently)
So I can reduce my chances of getting pulled over by taking up IV drug use. Good to know.
Notice, the sick bastard focuses on veins, not on whether the guy might you know be drunk or a threat. That is taken for granted. Because to cops, everyone is a criminal and under suspicion. That cop needs his ass kicked.
None of this will matter soon. Once Obama's had his way, do you really think there will be a difference between the police and doctor? the DEA and a pharmacist? the vice squad and a VD clinic?
ah, I am sure we'll get the cries from "but this is too far!" from so-called "libertarians" who have been supporting the DUI Jihad this entire time.
Ooh, dystopian without being 1980-faux.
Texas and Idaho? Really? Are they trying to start the revolution?
It seems that at least once a week I read something that makes me think that the future holds some sort of outlaw status for me and mine. This was this weeks, but then, it's only Monday.
Over under on how long until:
1. An officer seriously injuring somebody in the attempt, or
2. Someone contracting Hepatitis C (or worse) from a needle that's been reused?
(bonus (stolen from Fark) 3. Due to improper storage, people are arrested for completely unrealistic (>.60) BAC levels?)
I can't wait until one of these steady-handed Nurse Nices breaks a needle off in my arm.
This will be a great tool officers can use to combat drunk drivers.
Sorry...I have to practice saying bs like that. I met a cute girl last night that wants me to train her for the police academy. It took all my willpower to not crack up laughing when she said Police Women of Broward County was her fav show and they women on there were awesome...haha.
"Texas and Idaho? Really? Are they trying to start the revolution?"
Not so much. The Lonestar and Spud state are Law and Order enough for this not to be too big of a problem. If they tried this in Wyoming or Montana? There would already be dead cops.
"It seems that at least once a week I read something that makes me think that the future holds some sort of outlaw status for me and mine. This was this weeks, but then, it's only Monday."
I agree with you. I feel I'm in the same situation. Hell, we all may be.
Wait...does she look like Jennifer Carpenter?
And how long before a cop accidentally infects him/herself with HIV or hep C? If the arrestee is belligerent, can't stand up, or just makes some random movement while the syringe is being withdrawn, or (an even more likely scenario) if the LEO is simply incompetent-- it's easy to imagine the LEO jabbing his/her own finger, leg, etc. Then we get to pay for their disability and health care.
Having used a syringe (for training purposes), it's definitely a bad idea for a non-medical professional/specialist to use a needle in a field setting for any non-essential purpose. It's fairly easy to stick someone awkwardly.
In that case, I'd be willing to bet that the "suspect" in question would be charged with aggravated assault on a police officer/attempted murder of a police officer
Or just a needle that's been mishandled. I'm not really sure the trunk of a patrol car is the right place to be keeping and handling medical supplies.
And your #3, too. Yep, I'm sure we can count on some real reliable readings from contaminated needles.
It bothers me enough when they use medical personel and paramedics to draw samples but at least they've had training in maintaining sterile conditions.
Obviously officialdonm has not though this out too clearly. Andrew S., B.P. and Y'all have all come up with serious practical objections (aside from all those nitpicky constitutional arguments*) in the space of six minutes.
*Which thanks to the SCoTUS fall on deaf ears anyway.
Good luck taking my blood. Even in calm situations, well-trained phlebotomists have a hard time getting blood out of me.
One time, they had blown so many veins in my arm they tried to take some out of the back of my hand. They went through both sides of a vein and popped it. My hand swelled up like a blood balloon. The bruise turned my whole hand black for two weeks. I gave out Halloween candy with my "mummy hand."
I guess I don't have to make you pay dearly. Not only have you already paid dearly, apparently, but that was hilarious.
Oh, and as a medical tip to to all my peeps: If you can avoid it, don't get an IV in your ankle. Hurts like your first broken heart.
In my opinion better...she's younger, blond, and has a nicer rack. Plus she's really short...I have a thing for short chicks.
Just hope she doesn't bring a taser in bed the first night.
SF, is every episode of House based on your life, or just the first three seasons?
If they tried this in Wyoming or Montana? There would already be dead cops."
I want to move to Wyoming or Montana.
Happy fucking Monday to you too, Radley.
Sweet'n'Low, can't you take advantage of your plutocrat status to get a Brazilian pancreas on the black market, or something?
"Goin ' to Montana, goin' there soon, gonna be a dental floss tycoon." (Zappa)
I got veins a junkie would kill for. Fat as nightcrawlers.
SugarFree, I'm the exact opposite. A fairly decent dart player could successfully get me, but no cop is sticking a needle in me.
Oh, and fuck the 1966 U.S. Supreme Court decision.
"Just hope she doesn't bring a taser in bed the first night."
Yeah. Tazers are more of a second night thing.
@ HJ
Nothing says I Love you like Zap, Crap, Do me again.
And the first time a cop pulls a needle on me we are going to have a brief demonstration in the principle of self defense.
Careful what you wish for
SF, is every episode of House based on your life, or just the first three seasons?
Let's see: I've been shot in the hip requiring two reconstructive surgeries, hospitalized four times for pneumonia, broken both my big toes, cracked a knee cap, drove a huge nail through my foot with my body weight (and had to pull the nail out), nearly sliced off my left index finger (the knife didn't make it all the way through the bone), drowned and was revived (when I was a kid), died briefly from an anesthesia allergy (also as a child), have diabetes (both kinds), high blood pressure, and allergies to crustaceans and chlorine.
But I've never been stabbed, so I got that going for me.
Precious bodily fluids.
Something ourt of Dr. Strangelove?
I met a cute girl last night that wants me to train her for the police academy.
Unless you look like Steve Gutenberg, start practicing how to make all those really funny sound effects.
Apparently you have to cut off SF's head to kill him. He's either a zombie or Highlander.
I'd like to see the patrol car video of the first cop to try this on a suspect with severe needle and/or blood phobia. My guess is a re-enactment of the Sarah Connor vs. Dr. Silberman prison escape sequence from T2.
Citizen Nothing,
I agree. But how lame is it to be immortal, born to be king, but then have allergies?
I would like to have a stern word with the other princes of the universe.
I would like to have a stern word with the other princes of the universe.
Honestly now, do you really think there is more than one like you?
The rest died in childhood. You win.
Plenty of people have had much worse things happen to them. I haven't even been burned badly or hit by a car. Dying briefly twice in childhood's not had that much of an effect on me, except for stories to impress the ladies.
"I'd like to see the patrol car video of the first cop to try this on a suspect with severe needle and/or blood phobia. My guess is a re-enactment of the Sarah Connor vs. Dr. Silberman prison escape sequence from T2."
My guess is pig gets a medal while a severely bloodied and bruised suspect gets charged with resisting arrest, assault & battery, etc.
SugarFree, all that stuff you listed was pretty harsh, but I agree that being set on fire would be extremely traumatic.
But, you know, having The Prize and all, you'd get over it.
"Let's see: I've been shot in the hip requiring two reconstructive surgeries, hospitalized four times for pneumonia, broken both my big toes, cracked a knee cap, drove a huge nail through my foot with my body weight (and had to pull the nail out), nearly sliced off my left index finger (the knife didn't make it all the way through the bone), drowned and was revived (when I was a kid), died briefly from an anesthesia allergy (also as a child), have diabetes (both kinds), high blood pressure, and allergies to crustaceans and chlorine."
Let's talk...
I've been hit by a car, but I was drunk, so it was funny. My shoulder still hurts a little, twenty years later, but overall, I recommend it.
...stories to impress the ladies.
"Hey, baby. I been dead. Twice."
What kinda joints you hanging out in where that line works, SF?
Damn, SF, now I understand the evil sense of humor.
If you couldn't laugh at it, shit like that could really get you bummed out.
I haven't even been burned badly or hit by a car.
Give it time, SF. With your track record, you know it's comin'.
I'm thinking goth cabarets, definitely.
Hmm. According to Texas law, I'm allowed to resist excessive force. I think I'll file this one under excessive force and be a test case.
As long as the fucking pig let's me stick him first. After all, can't have a drunken fuck of a cop out driving and sticking needles in people. And yes, fuckloads of the fuckers are drunk on duty.
He doesn't, then I am going to assume he is being drunk and disorderly and will execute a citizen's arrest. Since he is armed, I will deal with any resistance appropriately. Likely by blowing his head off.
>>I'm thinking goth cabarets, definitely
Staring At The Sea: The Musical! The guys dressed as Lovecats actually come out into the audience.
>>now I understand the evil sense of humor
And how uncomfortable I was when I saw Flatliners in the theater...
"What kinda joints you hanging out in where that line works, SF?"
I'm thinking goth cabarets, definitely.
Goth chicks are hot.
Scary. But hot.
He's either a zombie or Highlander.
Or Mr Glass from Unbreakable.
SugarFree,
Is your last name Rasputin? You're one hard man to kill.
Damn. I truly wish that were real.
The next set of isolated incidents will be staff infections.
Goth chicks are hot.
Yes and No
Oof.
One link is NSFW, one is NSF your libido, and one is strangely alluring to a certain twisted regular on the board.
As a guy living in Nampa, ID, I found this article pretty disturbing to say the least. I hate living in a jurisdiction where there's a trial balloon for policey-statey horseshit like this.
However, I have to admit, I've been very lucky in my dealings with the local cops. The last time I got pulled over, it was because I had a headlight out.
It was the weirdest thing, cop in a "ghost" (standard Crown Vic cop car, but without all the official bling) pulls me over. Cop gets out, walks up to my car, and tells me my headlight was out, just letting me know. I was like "thanks" because I actually didn't know my light was out (turns out it was just the daytime running light).
Cop didn't ask for papers please, didn't run my plates, nothing. Just told me my light was out and thanks for stopping, etc; whole thing was done from start to finish in maybe three minutes, tops. It was right out of one of those Happy Cop videos they show the kids in school these days. Totally blown away by how un-cop that guy was. Oh well, now the local constables carry their own heroine kits I guess.
Staph infections, Cabeza. Staff infections are something else entirely. 😉
10 Hilarious Fat Goths
Under the tongue again, please, Occifer.
and one is strangely alluring to a certain twisted regular on the board.
You leave Epi's spiderwebs-and-cheesecake out of this. Hit'n'Run is a fucking goddamn classy joint, and we're trying to keep it that way, asshole.
Spiderwebs-and-cheesecake fetish, goddammit.
I think Gangsta Goth has an udder for a right hand.
SF, you satisfy better than Snickers. 😎
Disgusting. I never thought I'd have to think about leaving the USA, but it's looking more and more like I'll be escaping rather than leaving.
"'Listen,' he went on, 'I've been to Germany, and this country is nothing like that. Over there, they make you carry a driver's license, registration, and inspection certification on your vehicle.' I almost laughed at the poor, simple, heavily armed bastard. 'Why, over there, the police are empowered to take blood for DUI tests.'
This was a new one on me, but I wasn't surprised. At this point I did make the effort to tell him that it wouldn't be too long before such things were commonplace here. He and his partner did laugh at me.
'Oh, no they won't...'"
(My interview with an Atlanta cop, May 3, 1992)
Okay, okay; so it was seventeen years. Was that "too long"?
Clay Harlowe
Before you escape, make sure that you are not jumping out of the frying pan.
Many of the things we're outraged about creaping in here have always been commonplace in other countries.
"It seems that at least once a week I read something that makes me think that the future holds some sort of outlaw status for me and mine."
"Me, today. You, tomorrow."
(The zek's resolution -- Solzhenitsyn, "Gulag")
There's only one way a cop is getting blood out of me and I will make he(she) work damn hard for it as I will be shooting for the same goal.
My fuckin' body, so in for a penny in for a pound.
What, the electrocution devices aren't enough? FUCK THAT.
-jcr
"Staph infections, Cabeza. Staff infections are something else entirely."
Damn heterographic homophones! I'm using the it's a Monday defense. 🙂
ah, I am sure we'll get the cries from "but this is too far!" from so-called "libertarians" who have been supporting the DUI Jihad this entire time.
I'm curious as to what you consider the "DUI Jihad" to be. If you're one of those so-called "libertarians" who demand that I share a road with drunk drivers lest we violate their precious right to endanger my life and those of the occupants of my car, I think you need to reevaluate your position.
You can bet that if the roads were privately owned there would be something similar to DUI checkpoints on them, probably even more than we have on our current public roads. Since there's no plausible way to have a competitive system of roads in the private sector, the government must act as a reasonable owner would.
This wouldn't have happened if a Democrat was in the White House.
"You can bet that if the roads were privately owned ..."
From the June 2009 Grand Isle (LA) Island Beacon. They don't have a website, I get it via USPS:
"Elmer's Island
800 visitors traveled to Elmer's Island over the Fourth of July weekend as the state Department of Wildlife and Fisheries opened access there for the first time in nearly a decaded.The island had been a commercial campground and fishing area for 30 years. But public access via a marshland road was denied after th death of the road's owner. The opening of the road followed a title search that the state says determined the area is Louisiana property."
No access to commersial use for nealy 10 years.
THAT'S what's wrong with the idea of privately owned roads.
Having a crustacean allergy would really suck.
But then again, there's always bivalves.
SugarFree can't be the Highlander. For proof, I direct you to SugarFree's portrait in his Wikipedia article. He looks nothing like Christopher Lambert!
You can be a scared little girl all you like, but the fact is that millions of people drive "drunk" every weekend, but the NHTSA and your local Highway Patrol use your pants-wetting as an excuse to perpetuate great Fourth Amendment crimes against the citizenry.
The fact is that if someone is obeying the other rules of the road, the chemical composition of their blood is per se irrelevant. Bust people for swerving and detain those who are a demonstrated danger, but arbitrarily declaring a certain BAC as a crime is bullshit.
"You can bet that if the roads were privately owned there would be something similar to DUI checkpoints on them, probably even more than we have on our current public roads."
But it would probably be based on a scientific assessment of the actual danger posed by drivers, not by the moral beliefs of political activists regarding other peoples' lifestyle choices.
Belly Beck - you got it backwards. The original resolution goes: "You (die) today. Me, tomorrow."
I feel sorry for the first person who has complications or dies from Johnny Law drawing blood on the hood of his car. Cops be ready to get sued!