The New York Times Endorses Restrictions on Political Speech
From today's lead editorial in The New York Times:
The Supreme Court may be about to radically change politics by striking down the longstanding rule that says corporations cannot spend directly on federal elections. If the floodgates open, money from big business could overwhelm the electoral process, as well as the making of laws on issues like tax policy and bank regulation.
The court, which is scheduled to hear arguments on this issue on Wednesday, is rushing to decide a monumental question at breakneck speed and seems willing to throw established precedents and judicial modesty out the window….
If the court races to overturn federal and state laws, and its well-established precedents, to free up corporations to drown elections in money, it will be swinging for the fences. The American public will be the losers.
I'm guessing Times columnist and editorial board member Adam Cohen had a hand in drafting this, since it repeats his previous argument that the principle of judicial restraint requires the Court to adhere to its campaign finance precedents in tomorrow's rehearing of Citizens United v. FEC. In an article last week, I argued that it's actually the Court's fundamental responsibility to strike down those laws and precedents that run afoul of the First Amendment. Or as Steven R. Shapiro of the American Civil Liberties Union (which also favors striking down the offending campaign finance laws) told The Washington Post, "justices should think long and hard before overturning decisions…. But you can't have a system that says if you make a mistake, it must stand forever."
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money isn't speech, idiots.
As much as I'd like to believe in the magic of CFR, it doesn't really work. I'd rather have corporations out there spending directly. Especially if the one thing I approve of stands - requiring disclosure of who paid for the ad. I think there would be less unwanted influence if everyone were operating in the open instead of funneling things through PACs and ambiguously named orginizations.
We live in a patchwork society that is frayed beyond utility. This will be good if it happens, but hardly sufficient.
requiring disclosure of who paid for the ad
How about requiring disclosure of who thought up the ad -- that is -- contributed the *ideas*? Might help smoke out the grey eminences.
If the floodgates open, money from big business could overwhelm the electoral process, as well as the making of laws on issues like tax policy and bank regulation
If the NYT endorses a candidate, isn't that a big business using money to influence the electoral process?
as well as the making of laws on issues like tax policy and bank regulation
Tax Policy and Bank Regulation written to favor the big money--that would be different from the current system in what way?
Have to agree with the first comment. This notion that money = speech is pretty sick in my opinion. In the current political atmosphere, with our already mostly sold-out politicians, it is akin to letting you buy votes at $1 a piece. The guy with the most cash will always win. How fair is that?
Of course the NYT is a ok with a big corporation, like say GE, buying a media entity, like say NBC, and using its money losing news division and news channel to shill for whatever fits the corporate agenda.
The NYT is of course a corporate entity itself. But somehow it is okay for them to endorse candidates.
From LIBERALISM: HISTORY AND FUTURE:
A commitment to greater statism begets more such commitments, and if what we may call the Ronald Dworkin generation pooh-poohed the "silly proposition that true liberals must respect economic as well as intellectual liberty," the Cass Sunstein generation repudiates as even sillier the proposition that liberals cannot impose on the free market of ideas the same doctrines and controls they impose on the free market in widgets. (The esteemed professor has insisted that speech, like commerce, must have its own "New Deal." With Sunstein as thought control's FDR, who will be its LBJ?)
How about we start by eliminating the Federal Elections Commisiion?
"The court, which is scheduled to hear arguments on this issue on Wednesday, is rushing to decide a monumental question at breakneck speed"
The court has stepped into the Obamacare debate???
Episiarch,
Of course not. What the hell is wrong with you? The Times is the voice of the people!
I guess the Times believes corporations do not deserve rights. Well, "off with their rights!" I say.
"If the NYT endorses a candidate, isn't that a big business using money to influence the electoral process?"
But we're special.
The rights of the NYT that is.
If the NYT endorses a candidate, isn't that a big business using money to influence the electoral process?
That's different. The NYT makes money, true, but it earns its money by fulfilling the public service of publishing the truth that the powers that be would not want you to hear. Therefore, we don't need to worry about them influencing elections.
It's not like Walmart throwing around the money they save by sending manufacturing jobs overseas so they can pay the workers there half of what they would pay the workers here. We're talking about people whose trade and training is spreading the truth, not advancing their own greedy agenda.
I say the NYT is right here! I say take the money out of the equation!
Why don't we just dictate that the NYT and other papers print an extra 10 or so pages of political ads every day. Space on those adds will all be given to political candidates for free. Same with TV and radio. So many minutes each hour will be donated to political discourse for free.
I'll leave it to others to figure out how to allot all that free, free, free media time. I'm the big idea guy I can't get bogged down in details. The important thing is that by removing prices from advertising you would end up with the same end goal as you would by limiting spending.
Of course it wouldn't work and would be a real stupid idea, but again it would be exactly like the system that the NYT is trying to save.
I agree with NWD, let people spend what they want just make them disclose it. I don't care how much NAMBLA poured into a campaign I doubt they would win an election.
The root of the problem lies, of course, in the fact that campaign expenditures matter.
Who is going to engage the trolls? I don't have time today.
If the SCOTUS actually deals a significant blow to the FEC I will be surprised...Happy but surprised.
Don't count your chickens before they hatch
Isn't the NYTimes a corporation owned by a Mexican who has a monopoly on phone service in Mexico?
The NYT makes money, true, but it earns its money by fulfilling the public service of publishing the truth that the powers that be would not want you to hear. Therefore, we don't need to worry about them influencing elections.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Fucking gold.
Agreed. pin the tail, your trolling or troll-mocking abilities (whichever the case may be) are phenomenal.
pin the tail on me -
Your trolling efforts - FAIL.
Save your shekels and enroll in the Urkobold? school of trolling.
Sadly, Pin the Tail might be serious. It is hard to tell sometimes.
ain't that fucking hard to understand.
The NYT makes money, true, but it earns its money by fulfilling the public service of publishing the truth that the powers that be would not want you to hear. Therefore, we don't need to worry about them influencing elections.
No question, this is Performance Art.
money isn't speech, idiots.
If you think your right to free speech extends no farther than your unaided voice, then you can take the position that the State can ban you from spending money to spread your message.
If, however, you would like your message to go further than you can shout, you're going to have to spend money.
I'm okay with requiring disclosure. Since we've allowed the government to take on ridiculous and dangerous amounts of power, we might as well know who is paying what to influence its [ab]use of that power.
Ideally, we'd pare down federal power to something like its constitutional limits, which would render moot the whole debate.
@Pin the Tail: I was about to commend your subtle humor. Then it occurred to me it really isn't that hard to just copy and paste random quotes from Kos or TalkingPointsMemo.
How fair is that?
You're right, IT'S NOT FAIR!!!*
"Pin the tail on the Donkey,Donkey is the symbol of Democrats,the Donkey is spouting liberal cliches just to mock them,if you take him seriously by agreeing with him he's mocking you too"
Even I know life isn't FAIR.Man up Nancy.
I'm sorry, but corporations are not entitled to Constitutional protections. They are fictional persons invented as a legal abstraction. They have no right to contribute to a campaign, or even to expect protection from search and seizure. Citizens, not fictional persons, are given Constitutional protections.
Slight correction: SHOULD BE. My previous comment was about how things should be. In a truly lassiez faire environment, corporations wouldn't exist. Corporations are government manipulation through the government recognition of a class of fictional person.
//Stupid French and their crappy spelling
Is that where you were heading?
Full disclosure indeed! I won't employ anyone who contributes to causes I disagree with.
In a truly lassiez faire environment, corporations wouldn't exist.
Sure they would. There a good way to raise capital, for people to pool their resources, etc. They can be created entirely from contract; no state charter needed.
Now, if you want to argue that you need state involvement to create a limited liability corporation, I think first you need to explain why limited liability for passive investors is an artificial intervention by the state, but unlimited liability for passive investors isn't.
Slight correction: SHOULD BE. My previous comment was about how things should be. In a truly lassiez faire environment, corporations wouldn't exist. Corporations are government manipulation through the government recognition of a class of fictional person.
//Stupid French and their crappy spelling
At a base level, a corporation is nothing more than a group of people that get together on a joint project and are looking for a way to make collective decisions. I've said it before, and I'll say it again everytime we get a "corporations are evil" argument, but as long as you live in a society where contracts are enforeced, you will have something like a corporation. The only variables will be how easy it is to set up a corporation (or its equivalent). If you took any halfway decent corporate lawyer and put them into a culture were corporations did not exist but contracts were enforced, they could (with a lot of billable hourse) create an analagous structure out of interconnected contracts to allow for governance of the entity. That leaves 2 other main features of a corporation: limited liability and juridical personhood. Limited liability can be created in my hypothetical world by contractually forcing anyone you do business with to refrain from going after the assets of the individuals who own the entity and purchasing liability insurance to protect against torts. Corporate personhood is in most cases an acknowledgement of reality. If a group is acting in a concerted fashion, almost like an individual, why not treat it like one? It certainly is simpler to sue Acme, Inc. rather than all of its shareholders. Perhaps a corporation should not have all the same consititution protections as individuals (and the don't, e.g., the Privileges and Immunities Clause), it doesn't make sense to say that a group of individuals has none of the rights that each member of that group has. At that point, you're just quibbling about what rights are appropriate.
Let's be real, a corporate code is not a tool for the rich and entrenched, they could afford to pay a lawyer for a good entity structure. It is a tool for small business to have an efficient way to organise.
This notion that money = speech is pretty sick in my opinion.
In that case, I assume you will have no problem if the Democrat party and all Democrat candidates are required to conduct all future elections without expending any money.
They can still speak and assemble, right?
The NYT makes money, true, but it earns its money by fulfilling the public service of publishing the truth that the powers that be would not want you to hear.
For a second there I thought you were making a serious point!
Limited liability can be created in my hypothetical world by contractually forcing anyone you do business with to refrain from going after the assets of the individuals who own the entity and purchasing liability insurance to protect against torts.
You wouldn't even have to do that.
You would just need to design a debt instrument that allowed for the instrument holder to receive a defined percentage of the audited profits of an enterprise.
It would be impossible to pursue that debt holder for the unpaid liabilities of the enterprise unless you wanted to change the law to make anyone who lends money to an enterprise so liable as well.
Interestingly, the right of association is just as protected under the Constitution as the freedom of speech:
CORPORATIONS ARE MADE OF PEOPLE!
"rushing to decide a monumental question at breakneck speed"
But it was ok for the Dems to attempt to ram through a $1 trillion+ health care bill before August recess? One admires the Times' consistent inconsistencies.
I can live with full disclosure. If a corporation gives X dollars to a candidate, we should all know who did the giving. Any candidate had better think hard about how much corporate or labor money they receive, because the opposition will bludgeon them with it.
The arguments that too mouch money will create a free-for-all haven't thought this thru.
I missed the term of president Perrot. He had the most money, right?
Forgot what the spread was for Gore/Bush and Kerry/Bush.
Thank you to Fluffy and RC for doing their best to put to bed this patently ridiculous notion that limited liability is unavailable without the state.
And, you know what? This is my falsifiable issue on libertarianism. If the corporation really could not exist without the state allowing them too, then so be it. Corporations are massive engines for wealth, and people need to get over it.
I'm sorry, but corporations are not entitled to Constitutional protections. They are fictional persons invented as a legal abstraction. They have no right to contribute to a campaign, or even to expect protection from search and seizure. Citizens, not fictional persons, are given Constitutional protections.
Then you have no objection to a prohibition on any corporation, including the New York Times Company (a New York corporation) from spending money on any communication aimed at influence the outcome of any election taking place within 60 days? (This would include, of course, any communication that so much as mentions the name of a candidate within that 60-day period.)
I really like the idea of forcing Pinch Sulzberger to grind out copies of editorials on his HP OfficeJet printer, then walk around Manhattan trying to get people to take them.
Forgot what the spread was for Gore/Bush and Kerry/Bush.
FYI
And this is the percentage of dollars from sub-$200 donations in the last 3 election cycles:
Bush: 16%
Gore: 20%
Bush: 31%
Kerry: 37%
McCain: 34%
Obama: 54%
mark,
Of those elections, who was the candidate with the most money, not just that segment?
For some reason I am not believing that the candidate with the most total money always wins.
What some seem to be saying is that in order to be logically consistent, if I don't think corporate money should be able to influence elections, then I am a hypocrite if I say it's okay for the NYT, or presumably any newspaper, to endorse a candidate?
I wonder what the Times stance on union spending on elections?
"I missed the term of president Perrot. He had the most money, right?"
Don't forget about the Libertarian Party ticket of Clark/Koch sweeping the 1980 election either.
PETE,
If you don't think corporations should be able to use their resources to influence elections, why do you think the NYT corporation should be allowed to influence elections through its house newspaper?
I suppose you rationalize that with the idea that publishing a newspaper is a specially protected form of speech which gives an exemption. But that leads to the troubling fact that you give the government an ill defined authority to define what organs of speech are freer than others.
Corporations aren't people, so the idea of them having free speech strikes me a bit absurd. They're specifically designed to separate people from personal culpability, so I don't see how they're entitled to a voice.
Now if a CEO wants to go out of pocket to buy politicians via free speech, go for it. But the idea that an amorphous entity specifically shielded from accountability deserves "free speech" is ludicrous.
"But the idea that an amorphous entity specifically shielded from accountability deserves "free speech" is ludicrous."
A corporation is not shielded from accountiblity. The owners of a limited liability corporation have their non-corporate assets shielded from the corporation's liabilities. The idea that the owner's completely give up their civil rights with regards to their corporate property is a fundamentally unjust notion.
There's just no legitimate answer to the objection that the law's attempt to create a "safe harbor" for so-called "media companies" violates the First Amendment's protection of freedom of the press.
Anyone who performs a press function becomes, by the act of doing so, part of the press.
If commenting on political candidates is a press function [and the law concedes that it is, and every last bit of jurisprudence we have on the matter says that it is] then a corporation that comments on a political candidate is tranformed, by the act of doing so, into part of the press.
A law that attempts to define the candidate-related speech of some corporations as protected commentary, but that of other corporations as unprotected advocacy, is blatantly unconstitutional and tyrannical. [Even leaving to one side the fact that the entire concept of "unprotected advocacy" is absurd, since all advocacy is also protected by the petitions clause.]
Sonny Perdue was outspent 10 to 1 by Roy Barnes in Georgia. Perdue's rat ad, which was probably aired more often as free news than paid advertising, overcame a $12 million media saturation onslaught. As Obama is finding out, the old say it enough line doesn't work so well when what you're saying is pure bullshit.
Cspan.org is going to have the arguments on tape around 11:30. Fluffy, I couldn't agree more. I'm looking forward to an afternoon of the MSM squealing like pigs.
People still believe the fallacy the we actually elect Presidents?