Ill-Gotten Planes
Oprah and other bazillionaires agree: The best part about being rich is having a private plane. Leave it to Congress to wangle the best perk of wealth courtesy of America's coach-flying suckers. As P.J. O'Rourke recently put it to reason.tv: "Politics itself is nothing but an attempt to achieve power and prestige without merit."
Naturally, Congress is also overpaying for their ill-gotten planes. They're handing over $66 million for each $49 million plane. Perhaps they're exercising the Contact theory of government spending—overfund and secretly procure two of everything? This hypothesis is only slightly undermined by the public decision to double the number of planes purchased.
If flying among the unwashed masses is really too much to bear, surely an option like private plane sharing service NetJets would have been more cost-effective. Of course, at no point in these deliberations—or most of the coverage for that matter—did anyone consider that congressmen might fly coach. We all remember this one to the auto execs few months back: "I'm going to ask the three executives here to raise their hand if they flew here commercial." The Big Three CEOs must be enjoying some pretty serious schadenfreude right now.
Congressmen needs a bunch of jets to get around. Fair enough. But you know, Congress used to have an entire fleet of Boeing and Gulfstream planes at its disposal—the jets of every major corporation in America. A few pesky campaign finance laws later and suddenly getting from place-to-place isn't as easy as it used to be, eh Nancy?
It's worth a moment of reflection—what's worse: congressional jets or congressmen on corporate jets?
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Which is worse? Both. Obviously our elected officials should be forced to travel via the trains they already lavishly subsidize.
There are two separate bureaucracies that require me to fly coach when I travel on the public dime.
I don't see why this should be a problem for congressmen.
Further, I see free upgrades for our dear leaders as gifts which should be regulated like every other bribelobbyist provided perk.
Fuck 'em. Give them a fleet of single engine Cessnas. They'll have my blessing to fly over The Hudson as much a they want.
I'd gladly pay to fly the dogs. Congress on the other hand should be issued bicycles, a pair or running shoes, and a train pass.
Dont' forget that these are the same assholes who say that cap and theft is necessary to save the world. I wonder what the carbon footprint is on a private jet? A lot more than commercial.
This is Congress, again, telling the country to fuck off you work for us.
Give them fucking hitchhiking guides and a ride to the nearest truckstop.
Now look.
If we did that they'd be useful as a way to flush out traveling serial killers, and then we'd be deprived of a favorite peeve around here.
So just quit it.
If I were running Gulfstream, I'd charge the government 200% of retail prices to deal with the hassle of doing business with bureaucrats.
-jcr
-what's worse: congressional jets or congressmen on corporate jets?
Congressional jets are worse, no contest. If I don't want to pay for congresscritters on corporate jets, I don't have to buy shares in those corporations or buy their products.
-jcr
I don't know why they can't just work from home. We certainly have the technology and it would save a buncha your money.(disclaimer, I am poor so I don't pay income tax.)
Gotta love the hypocrites on the left:
"You rich bastards, how dare you fly private jets! Yes, we have them too, but..."
"You protesters, how dare you form groups, strategize, disrupt... oh, hang on, have to take this conference call with Code Pink."
Idiots on the left, morons on the right. Or vice-versa.
Mangu-Ward. Wasn't she arguing back in the spring that corporate jets weren't perks at all, but essential to the whole state capitalist engine that makes America purr. http://www.reason.com/blog/show/131441.html
"corporate jets [aren't] perks at all, but essential to the whole state capitalist engine that makes America purr"
Y'damn skippy they are.
"corporate jets [aren't] perks at all, but essential to the whole state capitalist engine that makes America purr"
Private (owned by a company that pays for the consequences of overspending and that I can boycott) = FINE
Public (paid for with our tax dollars, over which we have no recourse but to TRY to unseat an incumbent every 4 years or so) = NOT FINE
Joe f#@kin' Strummer? Piss off, wanker.
Of course, the most important reason to deny the use of private jets to the congress is that as long as they don't have to fly commercial, they won't give a rat's ass about the TSA.
-jcr
Joe,
I don't think you'll find any Libertarian who objects to private jets as long as they're paid for by private funds. I don't have a problem with Al Gore flying around in a private jet, I have a problem with him preaching to me about carbon emissions when he obviously doesn't buy his own line of propaganda.
-jcr
Incidentally, we shareholders of Apple computer gave Steve Jobs a spiffy Gulfstream jet after he saved the company from going out of business. With the company's market cap having gained well over a hundred and forty billion dollars since he got the job, I'd like to see what happens if we give him TWO gulfstream jets.
-jcr
Scott Adams had a f*cking awesome reply to Congress a few months back.
The day Al Gore rides a cheap Wal-Mart Chinese-made ten-speed, and give up the mansion to live in a duplex in Enid, Oklahoma with no cable, air-conditioning or high-speed internet access, and has to shop at Aldi's, I'll take him seriously.
No, I still won't, come to think of it. Fuck him with a big piece of steel pipe.
I see Reason has finally made KM-W Senior Editor.
Long overdue but still satisfying to see.Congratulations Ms Mangu-Ward.
Keep up the excellent work.
I have a problem with him preaching to me about carbon emissions when he obviously doesn't buy his own line of propaganda.
They're working on it.
http://www.nrel.gov/biomass/algal_oil_workshop.html
These fuckers need to charge the public at least 10X the price of even the most luxurious exotic tour price to study 'global-warming' and other such 'phenomena'. That they can't afford this with their six-figure income, book-deals, outright graft, etc. is what makes it so especially pathetic. But meet some stupid cunt like Loretta Sanchez and you might begin to grasp why she needs to get on some boondoggle junket.
We need this so the voice of 'imagined' racist categories can be heard.
For extra points: What do anti-Castro Cuban Americans have in common with La Raza Chicanas?
A: Ding! Ding! That's right. Abso-fuckin'-lutely nada. Except they both speak a different kind of Spanish and were once lorded over by the same imperialist bullshit empire and share close to nil genetically. How's that for a bullshit category.
Idiots on the left, morons on the right...
...here I am, stuck in the middle with you.
There is a recession and these fuckbags are pulling this?
Is Nancy Pelosi even smart enough to be considered a human being? I think it's an insult to call that bitch a 'fetus'.
the "contact" theory is "Why buy one when you can buy two for twice the price." That doesn't explain why anyone would pay $66m for a $49m airplane. That's more like why buy one for the full price when you can buy one for 1.5 times the full price. Amazing.
Say, Bruce, that's a refreshing change... a post from you that doesn't infer racism re: Our Glorious Leader, Benito Obama.
I don't know why they can't just work from home.
Which home would that be?
Makes one wonder how Congresscreatures could have possibly operated before jets. Maybe they did less, as they are supposed to.
That would be very inconvenient for the real policy makers: the lobbyists.
How can take their lackeysfriends to lunch every day if they have to keep shuttling around the country to do it?
Ali Baba (to Nancy Pelosi's Junk): Open Sesame!
(Her twat opens and Ali Baba forgetting his face mask in case of mustard gas attack dies.)
The Israelis take over. Rahm Immanuel, a neutral in Obama's staff...
Libertarian guy: that's just one post, and I stand by it. But like I said, I wasn't talking about the people here, most of whom DID complain about Bush's overspending. I don't see why a statement that says it's talking about X people would offend people who clearly are not X. Read that comment for what it says and don't assume it's addressing anyone in particular.
Speaking of the congress working from home, I wonder what would happen to the country if those SOBs actually had to live in the same districts as their constituents, instead of hiding out in Washington, and only having to face us whey they're not in session?
Seems to me that it make make them somewhat more responsive. Today, they live in an echo chamber with other power-crazed imbeciles.
-jcr
Bruce, if you were me, you would have:
Been accused of "racism" for the *crime* of being against affirmative action
Been accused of racism for not voting for Obama, despite not having voted for McCain, either
Been told numerous times that my party philosophy is racist because... well, Just Because They Say So, Dammit
I'm sick of this shit, Bruce. The Dems play this far too often. Here's one example from a MediaMatters poster:
"Author by harley (August 08, 2009 10:57 am ET)
Teabagging anti-Democracy hicks should be treated like terrorists and combatants captured
on the battle field. Gag them, bag them, tranquilize them, arrest them, and toss them in
prison indefinitely. Teabagging anti-Democracy hicks are terrorists and anti-American."
You can find more at DemocraticUnderground, NewsHounds, and other bastions of liberal thought. And I don't need to remind folks there are a few knuckle-draggers at places like FreeRepublic.
It's getting to the point where any criticism of Obama is met with suspicion of a) being a "teabagger", b) not being a Democrat, and c) disagreeing with anyone who is a Democrat. Et cetera.
I've also been told ANY criticism of a Pelosi, a Hillary, or any other female Democrat is "de facto misogyny", and that calling Barney Frank on his gross mismanagement skills and corrupt nature is "de facto homophobia".
And it sure as hell doesn't help when you come along and pour gas on the fire. We get enough of that shit from the likes of Jesse Jackson and other professional wound reopeners on the far left. With them, and the far right, it's a never-ending battle to muzzle the populace, one way or the other.
At least you didn't drag your myopic theories into THIS particular thread... but then, the thread is young.
In other words, if I had a dime for every time some nimrod put ACTUAL racist remarks/behavior in the public eye by bringing up BOGUS racist behaviors, I'd have - as Slim Pickens put it - "a shitload of dimes".
Bruce, it's like when a woman goes vindictive and files false rape/child abuse/domestic abuse/et cetera charges, or when a man does it for that matter. It cheapens the ACTUAL, substantive incidents. I've seen it happen one too many times - peoples' lives ruined on "the word" of someone out for revenge. Happened to me, almost, and that's as far as I'll say about it. Trust me, it isn't pretty.
So give it some thought, Bruce. Seriously.
Sorry for the vent/thread hijack, folks. What was the topic again?
Oh, yeah... the hypocrisy of Important Government Twaddlers needing their own jet planes, months after they told Big Three auto execs how immoral it is for THEM to use jet planes. I'm back up to speed now.
Certainly, not all representatives use the cessna fleet.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/22/plane-carrying-ron-paul-makes-emergency-landing/
Perhaps more importantly. Algal fuel? Are you kidding me? I used to work in a laboratory next to Steven Mayfield http://www.scripps.edu/cb/mayfield/steve.jpg
Who broke the first rule of science - he was in the whole business "because he wanted to make a difference", not because he was curious. Of course his idea was to take a million acres of desert in Arizona, flood it, and grow algae on it and harvest it for oil. Never mind that a) environmentalists would throw a shitfit. b) where's that water going to come from? c) The H2O emissions from the increased water surface area alone will probably double the annual CO2 forcing. d) How the hell are you going to keep your genetically modified algae (which are usually less fit than wild algae) from being outcompeted by native or adapted species? The salt flats of arizona are a long way from the laboratory.
Basically he got this idea that he would buy cheap land and saw huge dollar signs in his eyes. Meanwhile on the grounds of the "expertise" of people like him, billions of federal dollars will be put into this boondoggle, while lining the pockets of those very advocates who are pressing for it. The system works!
strike through16 years agowhat's worse: congressional jets or congressmen on corporate jets?
I can't say, but I know what's best: congressmen disappearing over the Atlantic.
I can't believe that I'm even going to try to defend Nancy Pelosi, but I think this move is somewhat defensible as far as over-priced government boondoggles go.
Sure, congress pitches lots of money into lots of holes all the time, but on this issue, it makes sense for the congressmen who are from the West Coast to have access to private planes. They have to see their constiuents each weekend, and be in DC each work-week. That kind of commute would discourage the poor, the honest, and lazy. Easing the travel burden on congressmen with distant districts lowers the barriers of entry into politics in those districts, which makes them more democratic. Finally, poor, honest, and lazy politicians have a chance to get elected and do less in goverment!
Additionally, without private planes, constinuents in far-off districts get less face time withi their representatives. How could we yell "Read the Bill, you jackass!" at a meet & greet down at the local VFW if the congressmen can't afford to come out to his district very often?
So yes, it's a waste of money, but it does make some sense. At least to me.
Abdul,
Its called telecommuting jackass. Pelosi could just as easily set up townhalls where she uses teleconferencing to give facetime to her screaming constituents.
This is going to bog down the country's airports even more when this official fleet of planes starts ferrying these overly entitled blowhards around. You know they're going to demand that everything stop while their plane is landing or taking off and that they have priority for everything. It'll be as if Air Force One is going in or out of every airport in America every day. This is going to be really annoying for us commoners.
Please get your facts straight here. Congressmen don't use these jets to fly around the country, go back to their districts, etc. They are only used when they take official international trips. Otherwise they fly coach, and often do so using their salary without reimbursement (i.e most trips back to their districts).
Private (owned by a company that pays for the consequences of overspending and that I can boycott) = FINE
Tee hee. Except these weren't private companies that Mangu-Ward was defending, rather state corporations that had just been bailed out with government money.
Kind of like Gazprom.
Its called telecommuting jackass. Pelosi could just as easily set up townhalls where she uses teleconferencing to give facetime to her screaming constituents.
You just typed that I was a "jackass" and I didnt' even mind. It just doesn't have the same sting unless you do it in person.
But, if Adam is right about the purpose of the jets, then I stand corrected and this whole issue goes back to "totally unjustifiable waste of our money" instead of "mostly unjustifiable."
Good question to ask of congresscritters during events in their districts: "So, Rep. [Name], did you fly here via regularly scheduled commercial air service, and can I see your ticket?"
Congressmen don't use these jets to fly around the country, go back to their districts, etc.
False. Note the number of times the Air Force ferried Pelosi to San Francisco.
False. Note the number of times the Air Force ferried Pelosi to San Francisco.
She's third in line to the presidency. This is not complicated, and she's not a standard member of congress. George Bush and Dick Cheney used their air force provided planes to make their campaign and personal trips. As do Biden and Obama.
She's third in line to the presidency.
So what?
George Bush and Dick Cheney used their air force provided planes to make their campaign and personal trips. As do Biden and Obama.
Bush, Cheney, Biden, and Obama also have the Secret Service giving them round-the-clock protection. You're not suggesting that Pelosi should get that too, are you?
"...she's not a standard member of Congress"
No, but she thinks she's the fucking Queen of the House. [For the record, I had just as much respect for Gingrich when he was House Speaker; IOW, big fuckin' deal, so what. A brain-damaged monkey could do that "job".]
She can fly like normal people do. Jesus, she's married to a millionaire, they can afford to buy their OWN goddamn jet.
Here's a thought from a non-American who never usually gets involved here.
Looking at the vitriol and contempt vented in these comments, is it any surprise that your Congresspeople are of low quality? Would you want to soak all that up every day?
Good, effective people are going to go elsewhere. You get the Congress you deserve.
Rollo, as someone who has lived in other countries, I can tell you that politicians are basically the same everywhere.
It's just that more Americans recognize them for the scumbags they are than people in other countries do.
Those are sweeping statements. Here's another one, that I find more persuasive. "The American people have watched their leaders bow and scrape before them for the last three decades -- and they are repulsed by it." (Fareed Zakaria, The Future of Freedom)
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Couldn't agree more about the perks of flying on private jets, but the amount of money used by members of congress for the pleasure is ridiculous. Spend the money on people who need it, like the voters!