New York, NY: If You Can "Make It Anywhere," Then Get the Heck Out
Eamon Moynihan at the Manhattan Institute's City Journal has some news that's news to me: New York City is the poorest city in America (poorer than Detroit) when you adjust its hapless denizens' income to the crazy cost of living. Some details:
Based on data from C2ER, a company that has been producing cost-of-living estimates for years, someone earning $50,798 in Chicago or $62,741 in Washington, D.C. enjoys the same standard of living as someone earning $100,000 in New York City. Not surprisingly, housing is the biggest factor. In Chicago, the cost of housing is 69 percent lower than in New York. In Washington, D.C., it's 46 percent lower. Utility costs are also lower—29 percent in Chicago and 39 percent in Washington. So are groceries, by 28 percent in both cities. The result is that New York City residents have far less purchasing power than anyone seems to realize. (What applies to New York City also applies to its suburbs. A person earning $76,256 in Chicago has the same standard of living as someone earning $100,000 in New York's Nassau County. Once again, housing is the main reason: its cost is 42 percent lower in Chicago than in Nassau.)
The next step is to apply these cost-of-living differentials to the most recent census estimates for per-capita income. This calculation yields a measurement of each city's average standard of living. Once you crunch the numbers, you find that the real standard of living in Washington, D.C. is 118 percent higher than in New York City. In Chicago, it's 75 percent higher….
Bettina Aten, a leading expert on purchasing power at the Bureau of Economic Analysis in Washington, D.C….estimates the cost of living in New York State in 2006 was 31.8 percent above the national average, second only to Hawaii, which, of course, is an island in the middle of the ocean. Once you apply that cost of living to 2006 estimates of median household income, you realize that New York State ranked last in the nation in purchasing power…..
It's clear that New York has a big problem. On a comparative basis, we're poor, thanks to a stratospheric cost of living—which itself is the result, I believe, of excessive and poorly designed regulation, most notably in the area of land use.
Joel Miller from Reason magazine's July 2006 issue on how land use regs in general make the cost of living, especially when it comes to housing, higher than it needs to be.
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A tax will help this. What we can do is hit the top 2% with at tax to subsidize the rest with housing credits. See, problem solved.
What, no mention of rent control as the largest contributing factor to the housing shortage in NYC?
What about the costs of getting mugged by the freelance socialists?
one more reason why a progressive federal income tax is stupid
I agree with this article, but I think it also gives short shrift to the ultimate driver behind this...geography. In most places, the riff-raff can be split out by either enough space or some geographical features like mountains or rivers. In New York, thanks to the fact the city is based on a series of small islands off the coast of the American mainland, you can really separate from your neighbors easily. Hence, people lean on regulations to do what living 20 miles away does in other parts of the country.
They should institute rent control in New York to help control housing costs.
I prefer the quoted section of the original article to the Reason header. "New York ranked last in the nation in purchasing power" is an observation I can get behind. "New York is the poorest city in America (poorer than Detroit)" is ludicrous, because they are not at all the same thing. Not even close.
Since that state is attempting to enact even more onerous soak the "rich" policies, those people who can make it anywhere are indeed going to be getting the heck out in ever increasing numbers - and taking the majority of the state's revenue base with them.
Based on my empirical evidence of those who live in New York City (including Manhatten, Staten Island, Queens and the Bronx), they don't drive, live in tiny apartments, pay outrageous prices for food...and wouldn't trade it for the world.
I couldn't live there, but it seems that for having the lowest PP in the US, they denizens seem to be getting along quite nicely. Sure they could move to Montana and buy a 80 acre ranch, but that does not seem to be high on their priority list. Now, of course there remain economic failures in the city (rent controlled apts being the most obvious), but overall I wouldn't call employed New Yorkers worse off than unemployed Detroiters (or even employed Detroiters that live in fear of their unemployed neighbors in the city).
some of us live quite well...
Just another day in the Bloomberg Kingdom
strike through16 years agoHaving the Yankees makes up for it.
(Suck on it, Red Sox Nation)
I would question one thing about the methodology of this comparison -
Does it attempt to include housing costs per square foot? Because that sort of comparison will always make suburbs look "cheaper". But you don't replace a 2500 square foot Nassau County house with a 2500 square foot Manhattan co-op. They aren't really comparable goods.
Q. What do the Philadelphia Phillies, Tampa Bay Devil Rays, Boston Red Sox, Colorado Rockies, St. Louis Cardinals, Detroit Tigers, Chicago White Sox, and Houston Astros all have in common?
A. All have played in the worls series more recently than the New York Yankees.
strike through and Steinbrenner can suck on that for a while.
I've always been shocked at how dark, dank and small the housing of the middle-class is in the cities of the northeast and how limited a lot of their consumer choices are.
The other great irony of New York is that its great cultural/lifestyle advantages e.g. restaurants, art galleries, the theater etc all exist to entertain the very wealthy whom most New Yorkers seem to hate and want to punish with ever increasing taxation. New York is a great cultural city because it was once a great commercial city. As its political culture becomes increasingly hostile to commerce, its cultural dominance will fade as well and it will become just a giant museum.
Not having a car and having a small apartment were features, not bugs, for me when I lived there.
I hate having a car and having to drive everywhere. So much better and more relaxing to hop on the subway, walk or take a cab. Plus, think of all the money you put into your car each month. If you instead put that towards rent your rent prices might look more like those in NYC.
As for the apt size, what do I need a large apt for? I'm a single male in my 20s, I don't have or want a lot of large possessions.
Not having a car and having a small apartment were features, not bugs, for me when I lived there.
I hate having a car and having to drive everywhere. So much better and more relaxing to hop on the subway, walk or take a cab. Plus, think of all the money you put into your car each month. If you instead put that towards rent your rent prices might look more like those in NYC.
As for the apt size, what do I need a large apt for? I'm a single male in my 20s, I don't have or want a lot of large possessions.
That froggy sure sounds comfortable in the pot that's brewing. Wish there was a way to make him even happier. I know, let's take his pillow and tax his bed!
Speaking of Bloomberg, I would like to thank him for his war on the New York restaurant industry. Since the eighties there has been a steady trickle of New Yorkers moving into my state and others who set up shop and they have brought with them a great variety of dining experiences. I've noticed a few new places that have opened this summer in spite of the recession. I also noticed in a review of one of those spots the head cook previously worked for several years in Manhattan. Thanks Bloomberg, thanks a bunches! Thanks to Cuomo as well for starting the trend.
The only thing worse than the Yankees are Yankees fans.
J sub D, there's no Devil in Tampa Bay Rays.
...which really blows if you're living in upstate NY, where there few decent jobs and almost all the same regulations and taxes.
It's doubly annoying when you have to listen to NYCers complain about how their taxes are siphoned away to keep the school systems in Buffalo and Syracuse from going bankrupt. Trust me, most upstaters would happily secede if the option were on the table.
This and all the other related comments completely ignore that the article wasn't comparing things to the suburbs, but to other cities like Chicago and DC.
I can not have a car and live in Chicago or DC, and still save a ton of money over NYC.
And as the article notes, the NYC suburbs are more expensive than suburbs of other towns.
Saying that the difference is explained by city living, not having a car, smaller apartments is completely missing the point.
No, because it's not. It's evil and immoral, but of all the regulations it's not the main cause of housing shortages.
I'm not sure what the point is. Incomes are higher in NYC. When I moved here, I immediately doubled my income, and my standard of living went up.
That, frankly, is bullshit (except the art galleries...). Of the 17,000 restaurants in the 5 boroughs, maybe a hundred "exist to entertain the very wealthy". As for the theater, the huge crowds that vie for free tickets that are given out in the afternoons for most shows are not comprised of the "very wealthy" either.
Yeah, but averaging the cost of living across the entire state hides the fact the the cost of living away from the orbit of NYC is way below the national average. Unfortunately, incomes suck too, which is why I got the hell out of there.
New York City residents have far less purchasing power than anyone seems to realize.
"...Than anyone seems to realize"? Are these guys fucking dopes, or what?
Rhywun, you may have doubled your income, but not every does:
"The next step is to apply these cost-of-living differentials to the most recent census estimates for per-capita income. This calculation yields a measurement of each city's average standard of living. Once you crunch the numbers, you find that the real standard of living in Washington, D.C. is 118 percent higher than in New York City. In Chicago, it's 75 percent higher...."
I lived in Manhattan for 10 years and personally thought the benefits outweighed the cost.
Having said this, when I was on the roster for the bi-annual career trip to NYC from my Grad School I would provide the eager students ("Yes! I want to work 85 hours a week for $50-60,000!" "I refuse to hear your warning that only a few of us have a chance at advancement if we get wall street analyst gigs!") a list of living standard comps between NYC and 5-6 other cities of regions. It had little effect.
New Jersey has a huge potential to gain from fleeing New Yorkers, but we suffer from the same over regulation. If we just relaxed zoning restrictions in this state, we could add another million people easily.
uh oh, the only thing sure to bring out as many trolls as a negative piece about obama is a negative piece about NYC.
I never did understand what kind of masochist would voluntarily live in New York City. If you have every visited any (other?) city in the First World you should no better than to voluntarily make this your permanent residence.
Oh really? And (anyone in the class is welcome to answer) how are they not the same?
The Angry Optimist | August 9, 2009, 3:25pm | #
"" I prefer the quoted section of the original article to the Reason header. "New York ranked last in the nation in purchasing power" is an observation I can get behind. "New York is the poorest city in America (poorer than Detroit)" is ludicrous, because they are not at all the same thing. Not even close.""
Oh really? And (anyone in the class is welcome to answer) how are they not the same?
Because the median is not the mean?
This data is all based on large-scale averages, ignoring total wealth of the area, growth, the various demographic strata and the differences in opportunity for wealth creation, social mobility, etc. Living in NY is *expensive*... but the relative purchasing power argument is basically a non-qualitative BS exercise in 'reading into' a self generated statistic. Sorry Brian, but it is. Cute though, for what its worth.
You want to live in detroit dude, go ahead. But the claim that "average purchasing power is low" does not = poor. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to straighten that out.
Shannon Love | August 8, 2009, 10:08am | #
I've always been shocked at how dark, dank and small the housing of the middle-class is in the cities of the northeast and how limited a lot of their consumer choices are.
I've always been shocked at how dark, dank and small the minds of critics of NYC are.
Regarding the 'consumer choice' point... thats ridiculous. I'll gladly introduce you to my butcher, my baker, my tailor, nearby 24hour hibachi steakhouse, and an organic dry cleaner (whatever that is). I've got 3 farmers markets within walking distance. 20+ options for brunch within walking distance. Need a tattoo? Psychic reading? fed ex store? Muffin specialist? Good prosciutto? Cheap electronics? Cashmere socks? Books for $1?
Forget about it. But yes, there are no walmarts.
we also lack parking space
Either these calculations are wrong, or free market theory is wrong.
If "real" incomes are actually 75% higher in Chicago than New York, people would move to Chicago until the change in housing values balanced the income differences out.
The problem with these cost of living calcuations is that they just can't account for some things. People pay a premium to live in NYC because it has something that they like...some sort of atmosphere or network that doesn't exist to the same extent in other cities.
GILMORE - at an individual level, either the average New York dollar goes further, or it does not. You can throw up "total wealth" and "other demographic strata" and whatnot, but at the end of the day, the average New Yorker is poorer than your average dweller of other cities.
Like Chad said, there may be incalculable premiums or social preferences that calculate into it, but your dollar does not go as far as other individuals' dollars. If you like NYC (and I do, too, I swear it), that's fine, but don't get all nasty-ass because someone dared to point out that you spend way more on average for basic amenities than most people in the United States do.
Oh, and just because I agreed with a limited point of yours, this still makes you a fucking moron.
Real incomes are higher in one place than the other. Like I said, this does not figure in subjective preferences. You're saying that if people eat in expensive steakhouses instead of Applebee's, free market theory must be wrong. That makes you a dumbass.
I'm just shocked that it appears Chicago is cheaper than DC.
Oh, what I would give for affordable rent...
Thanks, subsidized housing!