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SATURDAY UPDATE: Over at Reason.tv we've posted Ron Paul's first New Hampshire TV ad, which is being torn to bits in YouTube comments and the Ron Paul Forums.

– Republican Bobby Jindal was elected governor of Louisiana in a landslide–the state's first non-white governor and the nation's first Indian American governor. Expectations are very, very high.

– The GOP held a debate and John McCain got off a one-liner about Woodstock that he proceeded to milk for a TV ad.

– The DREAM Act failed in the Senate. SCHIP failed in the House again. Both failed despite winning a clear vote majority, which is why America's system of government is the best in the world. (I'm being serious.)

– Sam Brownback, the grateful recipient of some attention for the first time since Ames, met with Rudy Giuliani and didn't not endorse him. Giuliani endorsed the Red Sox. Who's the bigger sellout?

– One million people signed up to support Stephen Colbert on Facebook.

Larger issues…

McCain, Who Won't be President. Ramesh Ponnuru is far too interesting a pundit to be pigeonholed like this, but his thought experiment about John McCain winning the presidency with a one-term pledge seems a piece with the larger McCain media narrative. The Rudy Giuliani storyline has been "social conservatives finally turn on him and sink him." The Fred Thompson storyline has been "he's lazy and he'll collapse." The McCain storyline has always been "he'll mount a comeback, but when?" Thus Ponnuru's argument that McCain could distance himself from the GOP jungle and "win a mandate for… fixing entitlements and beating terrorists" by pledging to retire after his first term. It's an idea that was floated in the Ronald Reagan campaign in 1979-1980 and abandoned because it would have made him look old and weak. But Ponnuru believes in the potential of McCain-as-savior and thinks he's the conservative with the best shot to win.

So, about winning. According to polls, McCain stands a better chance than the average GOP candidate of holding the White House. But McCain's acceptance of public financing for the primary might make him the most unelectable of the top candidates. If he wins the nomination it will be grueling, close-run, and exhausting for his campaign war chest. McCain will be out of primary cash, and unable to fund his general election campaign until the GOP convention kicks off in September. That would mean five or six months when McCain is off the airwaves against either Hillary Clinton–who's already winning over the bet-hedging donors that gave to her husband in the 90s and Bush in the oughts–or Barack Obama, who would have just pulled off a primary victory that made King David look like a piker. Five or six months during which the Democrats are able to hammer McCain in the rust belt and the sun belt, play around with ads in Virginia and Tennessee… basically build up a 15- or 20-point advantage heading into the convention, where McCain (who's said a contest against Clinton would be one of ideas, not insults) would presumably replay the Kerry '04 strategy of lining up aging Vietnam vets along the stage to blur the rest of the issues. How–unless the rest of the country learns to love McCain again, the way the press corps does–does McCain dig out of a hole in September '08?

Ron Against the Machine. On Monday, the Ron Paul campaign will launch a $1.1 million TV ad blitz in New Hampshire. "In the first commercial," reports Julie Bosman, "shot last week in New Hampshire, voters present some of the themes of Mr. Paul's candidacy, including his opposition to the Iraq war and his past as a doctor in a small Texas town." (Bosman quotes our own Nick Gillespie's analysis.) Marc Ambinder visits New Hampshire and confesses that national political reporters "did not take Ron Paul seriously" for "the longest time." The St. Anselm College poll puts Paul at 7.4 percent in the state, ahead of everyone but McCain, Rudy, and Mitt.

I predicted that if Paul started to garner real support, negative attention would switch from his policy stances to his connections on the ostracized right. And here it comes. The trend-setting conservative blog RedState has banned Paul comments. HotAir is chasing down Paul's donations from the White Pride fringe.

Huckabacklash. Those people who predicted Sam Brownback's withdrawal from the Republican race were right. In Iowa, in national polls, Huckabee is experiencing a well-timed mini-surge. The mainstream media love him: I remember watching reporters beam and smile when it became clear that Huckabee would come second in the Ames Straw poll, blowing away Romney's momentum. So the conservative press is pushing back. John Fund chatted with conservatives who say Huckabee's got no head for economics and left his state party "in a shambles." Quin Hillyer, who cut his teeth in Southern politics, marshalls Huckabee's record of not-illegal-graft and general weirdness. Depressed conservative Rod Dreher takes stock of both their arguments.

Below the fold…

– Matt Taibbi hits the road with Mitt Romney and chucks some pavement at the governor's coif.

– Terence Samuel has the (increasingly convoluted) theory of how Obama can beat Clinton.

– Jim Geraghty draws a path to the nomination for the GOP's five frontrunners.

– Daily Kos commenters storm the Clintons' barricades, ineffectively.

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  1. Actually, my expectations aren’t high (for Jindal) at all. He’ll be restricted by our democratic state legislature. Which is probably good. He can veto all the crappy spending bills, but they probably won’t listen to his “tough on crime” (read: put black people in jail for doing drugs) crap.

  2. MEXICANS ARE COMING! IQ! MUSLIMS IN EUROPE! PAY ATTENTION TO MY RANTINGS!

  3. Renaissance

    Yuck! =/;^p

  4. Weigel, you must be rubbing your hands with glee over the fact that you have another year of this bullshit political theater to write about. That’s assuming reason pays you by the word.

    If you’re salaried, well, here’s a tissue. Don’t get any snot on me, though.

  5. The St. Anselm College poll puts Paul at 7.4 percent in the state, ahead of everyone but McCain, Rudy, and Mitt.

    This is possibly (probably?) an overly optimistic assessent (read as wild ass guess).
    Ron Paul will take 3rd in New Hampshire, relegating McCain to also-ran status. Looking further, Giuliani and Pomney’s negatives indicate that they are beatable. Donations pour in, and the Ron Paul campaign is the most political fun we’ve had since Ross Perot.

    Hope so, anyway.

  6. The anti-Paulies (contributors and commenters alike) at HotAir appear desperate. They’ve “uncovered” a possible $500 donation from the new husband of David Duke’s ex-wife and another $2300 donation from a conspiracy theorist (egad!). The comments don’t really help their case any.

    They really seem to think (or wish) that all Paul fans are zombie-like drones that are secretly happy to be consorting with “commies and nazis”.

  7. A donation was made to Dr. Paul by Lonestar’s father’s brother’s nephew’s uncle’s former roommate.

    What does that mean to Dr. Paul?

    NOTHING!

    This shows just how stupid this whole digging through donations is. That and HotAir (and the LoneStar Times) are just another pair of Spaceballs…

    What they *won’t* comment about is what’s not there: corporate donations…

    That’s right, Dr. Paul’s donations are all from actual people! Actual people who are energized and happy and mad and hopeful and despairing, and all united by a common goal: elect this man to save the Union.

    I love it when they dig that deep and find nothing. Makes them waste time, money and effort chasing shadows and being foolish.

  8. Man, I read that dailykos thing, more specifically, the comments.

    Is it just me, or do Kos commenters creep some of you guys out. Check it:

    – Ever occur to you guys that maybe this went out because Hillary’s camp thought to A S K the DCCC to send this out?

    And that maybe – just MAYBE Obama’s people didn’t think to ask about something like this on HIS birthday?

    – Hillary’s team aren’t missing a beat – and if Obama’s folks didn’t think of this it’s not exactly Hillary’s fault.

    -The Clintons understand how to work the levers of power. I do not fault them for that.

    I mean, fer chrissake, maybe Obama’s people didn’t “A S K” for this because it never occurred to them to reach so low.

    No, Hillary’s team isn’t missing a beat, that’s what scares the crap out of me.

    And yes, the Clintons do know how to work the levers of power, which is why they’re going to love all the new levers placed there by George W. Bush, a president the Democrats will secretly love within the next 20 years.

  9. Is it any wonder why Ron Paul is increasing in the polls? It is not to me. The man is like George Washington. He follows the Constitution with exactness, no other candidate does that. He voted against the war in Iraq (only candidate to do that) . Hillary Clinton voted for it TWICE! He fights the “Patriot” Act, an Act that treats all civilians like terrorists and takes away some of our civil liberties. He does not give in to the “They hate us because we are free” bit and he knows, through research done by our own CIA, that the reason they attack us is in part because we mess in everybodies affairs. If another country came here and set up bases all over the place and bombed my father, do you think I would be happy about that? Do you think that would bring peace? Heck no! I would be raging mad! It is time we all wake up to the truth.

    http://www.ronpaul2008.com – Find out for Yourself why this great man is my Hero!

  10. The Nazi Storm front, esp. Don Black, is a big supporter of Ron Paul.Ron Paul & Stormfront That is very worrisome. He doesn’t understand the Middle East and neither do you Rheomites Reasonoids (Michael Young is an exception).

    Contrary to what many of you Libertarians believe, a cut off of aid to Israel by a Ron Paul will hurt the U.S. more than Israel. Somehow, I doubt either result would bother you guys.

    “There’s no need to fear; Underzog is here.!

  11. So, how did Bobby Jindal do in Jena this timearound?

  12. I wonder if Ron Paul can do some libertarian jiujitsu on the wingnuts, convince people that anyone so hated must have something going for him.

  13. So, how did Bobby Jindal do in Jena this timearound?

    IIRC he won LaSalle Parish hands down. %55 in a multi-candidate contest

  14. “not-illegal-graft and general weirdness”

    That right there basically is southern politics, no?

  15. Hey J sub D: Haven’t been in touch since the Tribes lost. I read your comment about supporting your new tribe. Welcome to Red Sox Nation! As much as I like Denver and Colorado, I am sticking to my Sox.

  16. 1. The MSM refuses to cover Huck’s greatest weakness. Search for his name at my site to learn what that is. And, go to his campaign appearances and ask him about it, then upload his response.

    2. The MSM loves the horserace aspects, but has consistently refused to look into the candidate’s policies, such as by asking them to defend their policies. Perhaps Reason could lead the way by encouraging the MSM to do their job.

    3. If you want to make Ron Paul a top tier candidate, follow these fairly easy steps.

    4. Here’s today’s antidote for today’s prog rock clip: youtube.com/watch?v=EWxVuIKWCM8

  17. Hillary’s team aren’t missing a beat.

    Not the sentence that I wanted to read that has both “beat” and “Hillary’s team” in it. Ah well, better luck next time.

  18. I sometimes wonder, whatever happened to all the hippies back in the 60s? May be its because they’re older now and are not as energetic. What about their kids? Did they loose hope?

    I had this discussion with a colleague who self-describes herself as a hippie back during the Vietnam war (she lost an uncle in the war, and other relatives were wounded). I asked her, what happened? She said that she’s no longer interested. She’d vote yes, but wouldn’t care much about the way she chooses (I am guessing she’d vote for HRC).

    Interestingly, we both agreed that one of the main reasons there isn’t much public outcry today regarding Iraq as there was back then with Vietnam is mainly because there is no draft. If there were to be one, the public outcry would have been very powerful.

    Discuss?

    Don’t know how to pose this question, but here it is anyways. Is it true that many current libertarians were hippies during Vietnam but were later disillusioned with the clueless left? I mean, what happened to all these hippie antiwar protesters? Are they now born-again Christians? Are they hibernating? Have they moved to Canada? Please, educate me!

  19. All this talk about politicians running for president makes me feel like a vomited all over the floor and was then forced to clean it up with my tongue.

    Seriously.

  20. The MSM refuses to cover Huck’s greatest weakness.

    Let me guess: he refuses to use nukes on border-crossers…

  21. The most revealing statistic from the St. Anselm College poll — 44% support for Ron Paul among the self-described liberals responding to the Republican primary preference. This matches up to another statistic elsewhere, where Paul has double the support in Team Blue states versus Team Red states.

  22. prolefeed:

    There was another poll by some university in NH that said that Mitt and G were having commanding leads in NH. I hope that they are either wrong or that the TV and radio adds that he plans to broadcast would have a huge effect on his poll numbers. One would think that the residents of “Live Free or Die” state would favor Ron Paul.

  23. I mean, what happened to all these hippie antiwar protesters?
    This question seems to be reverbing around the blogosphere this week. Here’s my stab at it

    Is it true that many current libertarians were hippies during Vietnam but were later disillusioned with the clueless left?
    This is P.J. O’Rourke, and to a lesser extent (because he’s not libertarian) David Horowitz.

    Are they now born-again Christians?
    This is Jane Fonda (although she didn’t convert to the right wing, just the religion)

    Are they hibernating?
    Well, Janis Joplin, Jimmi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Mamma Cass are, but the end of their winter depends on one’s particular theology.

    Have they moved to Canada?
    It seems to be no more than 100 thousand (and more like 50 thousand), based on that beacon of fidelity and truth, Wikipedia. What I find interesting is that in comparison, about 80 thousand people left for Canada after the revolutionary war (There are approx 75 million baby boomers; the 1790 census counted approx 4 million people total)

    The short answer is yes I think the draft is the key reason why the public outcry is different. America seems to be about 50/50 in big war protests due to the draft: Civil War, WW1, and Vietnam yes, Revolution, WW2, and Korea no.

  24. One would think that the residents of “Live Free or Die” state would favor Ron Paul.

    NH likes to think it’s Wyoming; really, however, it’s rural Connecticut with better skiing but fewer casinos.

  25. To follow-up on Kenny’s comment. New Hampshire has seen a large influx of people from Massachusetts. These people are fleeing the high taxes and high costs of living in Massachusetts.

    They move to low-tax New Hampshire and then get involved with local politics to improve the schools, fix the sidewalks and all sorts of stuff that will cost more money and therefore force property taxes higher.

  26. Is it true that many current libertarians were hippies during Vietnam but were later disillusioned with the clueless left?

    Well at one of them is. The socialism and love everybody crap doesn’t go well with a functioning brain. Don;t get me wrong, I still like the hedonism, care for the environment, and music, but when you throw reality into the mix, alot of hippie culture is nonsense. Listen to tthe lyrics of Imagine by John Lennon sometimes. Pure tripe.

    I read your comment about supporting your new tribe. Welcome to Red Sox Nation! As much as I like Denver and Colorado, I am sticking to my Sox.

    Hardly a member, just supporting the AL over the NL. I always did like Luis Tiant and Yaz though.

  27. That is unbelievable about the state of Louisianna’s ethics rules.

    If a state legislator 1) owns a business that contracts with the government, 2) runs a lobbying firm and 3) his contracting business hires his lobbying shop to work the committee he sits on, is that considered hitting the trifecta?

    About Ron Paul – I always thought he was going to shake up the race, but never considered it a real possibility that he could win. And there is still no farking chance he’s going to take any southern states. But no one is pulling ahead, Paul is floating up into the top tier, and it’s starting to look like a brokered convention. He could definitely finish top 3 in NH, and maybe win it, if enough people feel like he’s a legitimate candidate. A big media buy will help with that. Lemme tell you, if it’s Mitt 32%, McCain 30% and Paul 28% when the votes are counted, the headlines across the nation are not going to read “Mitt Romney wins New Hampshire Primary.”

    He’s gone from joke candidate to protest candidate to minor candidate to also-ran to third tier to second tier and now he’s poised to storm the top tier. By way of comparison, Howard Dean was never lower than a third-tier candidate. What’s next, frontrunner? Prohibitive frontrunner? I can’t think of a time this has ever happenned before.

  28. To back up what XMAS wrote about NH, in the 2004 presidential election, the southern counties near the Mass border – the ones where most of the Massachusetts transplants were expected to give Kerry a big boose, making him competetive in that long-Republican state. As it turned out, those counties voted for Bush in higher numbers than the central and northern tiers. The Massachusetts transplants are basically political refugees.

  29. Kenny, Xmas, J sub D, joe: Thanks, that was informative.

    Regarding the draft thing, all Americans are still being involved in the war through funding it (taxes). You’d expect more from conscious tax-payers. Of course congress’ hand is tied because the Dems do not have enough authority to stop funding the war. people are predicting a long war and may it is too early for people to come out in droves to protest. But I guess that eventually they will if no significant troop and violence reduction is achieved in Iraq.

  30. What’s up with reason.tv’s not enabling comments?

  31. “First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.”
    — Mahatma Gandhi

    RedState banned Paul supporters, it’s true.
    But they handed an olive branch to you.
    One blog lifted the ban
    So if Paul is your man
    You can shill him in limerick or haiku.

    Inspired by that I went gunnin’
    After the other candidates runnin’.
    I am no poet
    I’m for Paul and they know it
    So *crickets* was my due for my funnin’.

  32. Minor correction. The investigation into the $500 contribution to Ron Paul being publicized by Michelle Malkin’s Farts originated at small neocon blog in Houston.

    The proprietors of that blog seem very surprised that Pro-Paul reader comments quadruple when they mention Ron Paul negatively. They characterize his supporters as crazy folks.

    They simply don’t have a clue about the latent appeal in Ron Paul’s message.

  33. Wait. I was “warned.” Limericks are not allowed unless they bash Paul.

  34. If they weren’t taking Paul seriously, bob, they wouldn’t be tearing him down.

    Michell Malkin has ears, bob. Cute, functional, totally hot ears. She can hear the applause from die-hard Republicans at the debates when Paul denounces the war. Scares the hell out of her, and all of ’em.

  35. bob, they must be unaware of the age old adage, “All publicity is good publicity.”

    The RedState ban has only raised Paul’s profile, there and everywhere. Much appreciated!

  36. We’re in vigorous agreement, ya’ll. I’ve suggested on that blog that they’re doing Ron Paul a huge favor, and are showing fear of his impact. The typical reply is that Alex Jones donated 2300, and a truther can never be president.

    A few weeks ago I signed up for some RP block walking scheduled for today. I had decided not to do it… Until that neocon blog started slamming Ron Paul.

    My feet are tired. But it’s a good tired.

  37. I’ll tell you what – if the Clinton campaign starts pivoting to environmental protection and social security, it will mean that she’s taking the possibility of a Paul nomination into account.

  38. I mean, what happened to all these hippie antiwar protesters?

    They’re all supporting Hillary in hopes that she’ll invade Iran.

  39. They’re all supporting Hillary in hopes that she’ll invade Iran.

    And then they get something to do by protesting the war? I guess the Iraq war was not good enough for them πŸ˜‰

  40. Do these nutbags really expect the Paul campaign to do intensive background checks on every $100 and $500 donation? And then reject them if they find something unusual about their second or third cousins?

    And they call *us* crazy!

  41. And then they get something to do by protesting the war? I guess the Iraq war was not good enough for them πŸ˜‰

    They aren’t protesting the war in Iraq, they’re protesting the Bush administration. Go to an anti-war rally and look at the signs. You’ll see anti-Bush, anti-Republican, anti-Israel, anti-Jew, anti-WTO and anti-capitalism, but you won’t see an anti-war sign.

    I haven’t seen a genuine anti-war protest since Gulf War One. And that was mostly Buchananites.

  42. Paul’s NH ad leaves a lot to be desired.

    Can it be stopped? Please?

  43. oh my fucking god. that is a terrible ad.

    and everybody there has facial hair. wow.

    that stupid appeal to authority really was over the top, “the man’s a doctor. he understands the health care mess”.

    giggle.

    I did like the “well, I don’t always agree with him, but he’s honest” isn’t bad…

  44. VM:

    I thought that the ad was a bit superficial, too. Why don’t they emphasize the vote against the war, for example? Could mentioning that hurt in NH?

  45. You know how people talk about a band “selling out” when they get popular? They’re new stuff sucks; it’s shallow and superficial; they’re appealing to meatheads who don’t really get what they’re about; they’re just going for a mainstream following – that sort of thing?

    Ask yourselves something: what is it you hope Paul will accomplish with this ad? Hint: making people with subscriptions to Reason isn’t it.

  46. joe:

    Yeah, I agree. May be it is not too bad after all.

  47. keeping on with the “superficial”, you two are probably right.

  48. My main beef with the ad is that it seems to be political fluff with no discussion of policy or ideology. However, it does represent an appeal to your “average American” (whatever the hell that means these days) based around the concept of freedom, so I can live with that.

    If RP supporters want to appeal to a larger group, they will have to get used to this sort of thing. V for Vendetta references hinting at violent overthrow of government doesn’t exactly fly with Mom and Pop in Bumfucksville, NH.

  49. I think he’s trying the Reagan pivot.

    The knock on Reagan was that he was crazy and dangerous. He pivoted on that at the 76 convention.

    Paul doesn’t have that kind of time, so he has to simultaneously develop the “ideologically pure” brand and the “but see, he’s a totally normal candidate and not threatening at all” brand.

  50. This is a very low key way for Ron Paul to say “I’m not the nut you’ve heard I am”.

    Sorry if he didn’t come out with “Ron Paul’s Triumph of the Will” which is about all that will make you folks happy. Maybe after the inauguration.

  51. So, what does everybody think about white people heading for minority status? Is anybody doing anything about this? If not, why?

  52. Nice try, Chalupa impersonator. You didn’t leave an email address.

    Anyway, I too think the Paul ad is trying to make him look less nutty. I hope it succeeds and the scenario joe talks about (A close third in NH) could take place.

  53. Grand Chalupa: What do you think about trolls being a minority status? Are you doing anything about this? If not, why?

  54. Can we get checks?

  55. No, it’s me. How bout them negros?

  56. At least it will mean the death of affirmative action.

  57. No, it’s me. How bout them negros?

    Thats great Chalupa. Now do the Jews! The Jews! You can’t get anymore “anti-PC” than being anti-semitic.

  58. Thinking of it again, NHites are not really your “average American” voters. The ad comes across as too nice and not aggressive enough. NHites are tough people, they want tough.

  59. So, what does everybody think about white people heading for minority status? Is anybody doing anything about this? If not, why?

    Chalupa, you flaming idiot, white peoplehave ALWAYSbeen a minority on Earth.

  60. My space bar is obviously edfective. Oops, it’s better now.

  61. Make that defective. Damned keyboard was probably assembled by the “coloreds”.

  62. Here ye, here ye. The sky is falling.

  63. You want offensive racism?

    It does not get much more offensive than this!

    Blazing Saddles – “Hey, where are the white women at?”

  64. The sky isn’t falling, it’s just been raining idiots since 4:14 pm, EDT.

  65. This weekend in the Ron Paul Wars, RedState hit a new low: they issued a warning to a member whose entire post consisted of the Bill of Rights.

    Apparently the moderators determined that the Bill of Rights is Ron Paul Spam, and that posting the Bill of Rights constitutes “shilling for Paul”, even if you don’t use his name.

    I shit you not.

    How’s THAT for a brand identity, bitches!

  66. I thought the ad was tolerable until the very last line. “he’s really catching on”. fuck. you can tell he is fiscally conservative and adhering to a strict budget.

  67. Ya know, thinking about the Chalupa thang…

    A Chalupa is a small boat with a very shallow draft.

    Fits the Grande Cabron somehow.

  68. Grande C,

    Skimming the tops of discourse on race, but always afraid to plumb the depths.

  69. Ron Paul has apparently earned the endorsement of George Carlin.

  70. Sage,

    I wonder how Paul would respond the George Carlin’s concerns about the dismantling of social security…

    That video endorses Ron Paul’s positions about as much as, well, it doesn’t.

  71. Good, I liked that speech (never head of George Carlin though), but that was just a voice-over without explicit endorsement. A bit confused.

  72. iih,

    Never heard of George Carlin!!!!!

    Oh my, you need to look for his stuff and catch up. Truly funny guy.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Carlin

  73. Apparently the moderators determined that the Bill of Rights is Ron Paul Spam, and that posting the Bill of Rights constitutes “shilling for Paul”, even if you don’t use his name.

    I shit you not.

    How’s THAT for a brand identity, bitches!

    That’s hilarious!

  74. NM:

    Learning… slowly learning.


  75. Chalupa, you flaming idiot, white peoplehave ALWAYSbeen a minority on Earth.

    Depends how you define “white people”.Caucasians probably have been the predominant “racial” group on the planet and, although essentially unknowable, may have been the majority of all humans in the past.All racial definitions and categories (and any demographic study and speculation thereon) opens up a rather nasty can of worms.

    Flemur might have a can opener!

  76. SIV, given the sheer size of China both now and in history, using 19th century racial categories “Mongoloids” were probably always the largest.

    I should register an account and post a copy of the Declaration of Independence on Red State and see if I get banned.

  77. Mandatory on any thread discussing youtube comments:

    http://xkcd.com/202/

  78. SIV,

    I think “Asian populations” have had the larger numbers for more of history…

    For a visual
    http://desip.igc.org/populationmaps.html

    And a table
    http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/history/world-population-growth.htm

  79. NM:

    I like Carlin’s comedy. Deep. Don’t entirely agree or disagree with him on abortion, though.

    But the last question arises a question in my head: Why did the founding fathers restrict voting to free men only, but not women? Would a free black man have been able to vote back then?

  80. Neu Mejican,

    “Asian Populations” is a geographic category not a racial one. Most people in India can be classified as “Caucasian”. Ancient Japan and SE Asia were populated by Caucasians.

    See my qualifier/disclaimer above regarding definitions and categories.

  81. SIV,

    Of course, we can always adjust our definitions to make our arguments accurate…an ability shared by all members of the species.

    Geographically defined populations are more precise than racial defined ones…so I used a geographic argument.

    http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1438.html

  82. Tucker Carlson did a piece last night on the RedState RP ban.

    Thanks again for all the free advertising, RedState!

  83. Anybody following that TNR meltdown over the Private Beauchamp stories?

  84. Neu Mejican:

    I can’t see how geography could define race (admittedly not an easy definition).

    I am using an anthropological definition for my statement above.As loaded and imprecise as any definition of race can be, Craniometrics and other biological criteria would appear to be the most “scientific”.

  85. Does anybody know if Ron Paul has responded to this?

    An Open Letter to Ron Paul

    Dear Congressman Paul:

    Your Presidential campaign has drawn the enthusiastic support of an imposing collection of Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, Holocaust Deniers, 9/11 “Truthers” and other paranoid and discredited conspiracists.

    Do you welcome- or repudiate – the support of such factions?

    More specifically, your columns have been featured for several years in the American Free Press -a publication of the nation’s leading Holocaust Denier and anti-Semitic agitator, Willis Carto. His book club even recommends works that glorify the Nazi SS, and glowingly describe the “comforts and amenities” provided for inmates of Auschwitz.

    Have your columns appeared in the American Free Press with your knowledge and approval?

    As a Presidential candidate, will you now disassociate yourself, clearly and publicly, from the poisonous propaganda promoted in such publications?

    As a guest on my syndicated radio show, you answered my questions directly and fearlessly.

    Will you now answer these pressing questions, and eliminate all associations between your campaign and some of the most loathsome fringe groups in American society?

    Along with my listeners (and many of your own supporters), I eagerly await your response.

    Respectfully, Michael Medved

  86. SIV,

    I can’t see how geography could define race

    That is why I linked to the nature article.
    It explains it in detail. At the genetic level, geography is the more precise grouping due to its connection with migration patterns out from the original population with eventual (partial) isolation between sub-populations.

    Craniometrics and other biological criteria would appear to be the most “scientific”.

    Categories based on physical features will not reflect the underlying processes. The “most scientific” populations are the ones based on geography…at least that is the current thinking in research on global genetic diversity.

  87. Neu,

    From the Nature link:

    We show that racial classifications are inadequate descriptors of the distribution of genetic variation in our species.

    And vice a versa I suppose.

    I am no proponent of any racial definition and see such as largely social and legal constructs. That said, if you give physical anthropologists a pile of human remains they will sort them in the same manner independently of each other.

  88. The Ron Paul ad really stinks. Not because of the message, but because of the production values and acting (the bearded guy is particularly atrocious- is that Jesse Benton’s brother?). It looks like a HS media project. That this could be produced scares the hell out of me. Heads need to roll in the Paul media department.

  89. EDDIE:

    YES. SOMEONE KNOWS.

    ALSO, GOOD GUEST COMMENTARY AT URKOBOLD. THE URKOBOLD IS PLEASED WITH YOU.

  90. More pressingly, has Edward ever answered the open question I placed?

  91. at least that is the current thinking in research on global genetic diversity.

    emphasis added

    So “Race” is a genetic category?
    That might “solve” a few problems while creating a slew of new ones.

    I thought I would have to wait for Flemur to weigh in with that argument.

  92. IRRELEVANT, FLUFFY. BE CAREFUL OR WE’LL PUT NAIR IN YOUR PRODUCT. SO YOU’LL NO LONGER BE FLUFFY.

    EDDIE DOESN’T HAVE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. IT IS HIS PRIVILEGE AS RESIDENT INTERNETS TUFF GUY.

    THE URKOBOLD WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION FOR EDDIE:

    “SOMETIMES. WITH FLOWERS AND PLENTY OF LUBE.”

    WILL THAT SUFFICE?

  93. That video endorses Ron Paul’s positions about as much as, well, it doesn’t.

    Yeah, I know. It was a joke.

  94. SIV,
    American Association of Physical Anthropologists Statement on Biological Aspects of Race

    http://www.physanth.org/positions/race.html

    The geographic pattern of genetic variation within this array is complex, and presents no major discontinuity. Humanity cannot be classified into discrete geographic categories with absolute boundaries. Furthermore, the complexities of human history make it difficult to determine the position of certain groups in classifications. Multiplying subcategories cannot correct the inadequacies of these classifications.

    Generally, the traits used to characterize a population are either independently inherited or show only varying degrees of association with one another within each population. Therefore, the combination of these traits in an individual very commonly deviates from the average combination in the population. This fact renders untenable the idea of discrete races made up chiefly of typical representatives.

  95. Some of the RP videos are better than others. For example, This one.

  96. SIV,

    So “Race” is a genetic category?

    No. No. That is not the implication.
    The implication is that populations defined by geographic region are more homogeneous genetically than those defined by external physical features.

    The problem is essentially the same as the one the AAPA is trying to get across. Racial classifications are not particularly useful for scientific study. Good science is done with much more restrictive population definitions.

  97. Doesn’t Edward = Eric? as in Dondero?

    I think I smell doo doo again – Donderdoodoo.

  98. I think Paul’s campaign ads should just be clips of the war interspersed with Colin Powell’s UN presentation played over a soundtrack of the Shaker spiritual I Hunger and Thirst.

  99. This one is pretty good too.

  100. Guy-
    The Beauchamp affair is a tempest in a teapot that is archetypical of the inane level of political discourse today. Beauchamp is a douche, but the bloggers playing ‘gotcha!’ think they have uncovered the greatest scandal since Gerd Heidemann .

  101. sage:

    Good video. Whose song is this?

  102. iih,

    If you’re talking about my 7:06 post, I believe that’s Tom Petty.

  103. Here’s another good one. It might be old.

  104. sage:

    Yeah, the 7:06 one. Thanks.

  105. You can digg the article about the redstate censorship here.

  106. The American Association of Physical Anthropologists Statement on Biological Aspects of Race is representative of their current “political” position rather than their body of work.

    Skeletal remains are classified by their morphology and metrics rather than any genetic analysis.

  107. Does anyone have any idea of the actual “truthiness” of Colbert’s run? The show made of spectacle of the application process (and an amusing one at that), but has there been anything that has crossed the line from fiction into fact?

  108. Neu,

    We should probably hold this discussion for the future on another thread with a related subject post. Both SoS and Flemur
    might have something to offer.

    My initial statement “it depends how you define white people” was in reference to how the traditional anthropological definition of “Caucasian” would reflect in “racial” demographics in the present, historical past and antiquity, respectively.

  109. I don’t think that was really Chalupa.

    “Race” doesn’t actually correspond to any one thing; it’s a socially-constructed concept that does a good-enough job describing a complicated set of interacting factors. Like “society” or “chi.”

    The Scott Beauchamp affair is the greatest breakthrough for the conservative blogosphere since they “discovered” the Schiavo Memo was a forgery.

  110. I could never understand the Beauchamp affair. No one can explain it to me in 3 sentences or less, so I tend not to try to understand it. (Almost anything can be explained in 3 sentences or less, I think.)

  111. So you’re for the “PC orthodoxy” as Flemur says SIV?

  112. Here’s my try in 3 sentences:
    1) An army junior enlisted wrote a series of articles for an American bi-weekly poltical magazine as a first-hand account of things in the middle east.
    2) Some stuff written by this soldier, who now (and perhaps before) has a personal relationship with a member of the magazine’s staff, seems to have modified the locations of some events and the sequence that they occured.
    3) How big of a deal is anything in sentence (2) depends entirely on the cross product of your political persuasion, and your opinion of the Iraq war

  113. Kenny:

    Got it! That explains why Michelle Malkin was mad at TNR.

    However, you cheated. Point (2) is a few sentences merged into one.

  114. 1) You know, thinking about it, I really like the three sentence thumbrule, iih.
    2) It is like a free form haiku, and it avoids screeds from truthers, racists, AndOtherKooks.
    3) Even though I enjoy both their works, I think Prof Reynolds would be good at it, but Mr. Weigel, not so much.

  115. Whoever brought my attention to George Carlin: Damn you! Carlin is addictive and so funny. Here he is on stuff.

  116. Just like rubbin’s racin’, compound sentences are still English sentences.

  117. You know, thinking about it, I really like the three sentence thumbrule

    It helps in defining the question in that see of noise.

  118. why the hell didn’t the ad just use Ron Paul’s actual speeches and actual people (rather than actors) talking about Ron Paul? Not only would it have been cheaper, it would be about a million times more effective.

  119. oh, and Edward, do you think vegetarians should have to apologize because Hitler found their ideas so appealing? That doesn’t qualify as a Godwin does it?

  120. ????? ? ??

    Solider writes stories
    Some events are disputed
    Bloggers’ conniptions

  121. Kenny,

    That’s too short. I think we still need full sentences.

  122. What’s comical is that the reason Ron Paul is in poltics is to enact the policies of a certain Jewish economist whom the Nazis really wanted to kill.

    If Ron Paul was to somehow become supreme dictator for life, but enact his current crop of policies, the Nazi’s would be turning against him within 3 years tops when he thwarted their attempts to get the govenment to take up “racially aware” policies.

    Calling Ron Paul a Nazi sympathiser is like calling the ACLU a bunch of KKK sympathisers.

  123. What does everybody think of this…http://www.davidduke.com/general/kayla-rolland-one-more-victim_21.html

    The man makes some good points.

  124. a

    SoS = Neu

    Huh?

    SIV,
    It doesn’t sound like there is much difference in our positions. You started with “depending upon how we define it” and I followed with a “if we define it this way then X.”

    I don’t see much sense in trying to define race as a generalizable category system. Race, technically, just means “grouping” or “class,” so whenever scientists are asking a question, their category will need to be appropriately defined to facilitate finding an answer to that particular question. The concept used by racists is biologically pretty meaningless, so it doesn’t lend itself to answer the questions they want to answer. Most scientists, however, are not really interested in those questions (and their implications) anyway.

  125. So, what does everybody think about white people heading for minority status? Is anybody doing anything about this?

    Well, I schtup my wife on a regular basis, and got a few anklebiters out of the deal, but frankly, Grand Chalupa, not really thinking about stopping TehBrownSkinnedMenace when doing it — or before or after, either. Quite frankly, often envision I’m doing one o’ them BrownSkinnedMenaces while doing my wife. So, does that make me a race traitor in your view?

    Dude, get a life. The average amount of skin melanin in the U.S. going up a couple percentage points over a few decades isn’t something to get your knickers in a twist about, unless your stock portfolio is composed exclusively of sunscreen manufacturers.

    Seriously, is

    this

    so bad?

  126. Re: the Ron Paul ads — kinda boring, the comfort food of political ads. Some people actually LIKE meatloaf and mashed potatoes.

    Hope they ran those puppies by a focus group to see if actual people in NH like it. Clearly they’re not preaching to the converted.

  127. SoS = Neu

    I wouldn’t think so as Neu is all about the “science” and SoS strays into unorthodox anthropology/humanities a bit.

    Cesar,

    I’m not sure what the PC orthodoxy on race is as much of it is contradictory- if not outright, text-book definition of racist.

    I do know that there was a period of 50 + years in Anthropology when they had left the 19th century racist roots behind yet still recognized race as a valid category of study.
    Physical Anthropologists have not disavowed their work in this area, they just don’t over-emphasize it in today’s PC academic/political environment.

  128. Hope they ran those puppies by a focus group to see if actual people in NH like it. Clearly they’re not preaching to the converted.

    I was thinking the same thing, and the point made upthread about the production vales is valid – political ads are more like wedding videos than films. Dissolves, picture-in-picture, and all the other kitschy crap just works better for a 30 second clip.

    sage, the “Tom Petty” vid was good, but it would have to be severly cut to become a commercial, and getting the rights would be real friggin’ expensive, unless Petty is a RP fan. (Also, it’s more of a preaching-to-the-converted video.)

  129. This weekend in the Ron Paul Wars, RedState hit a new low: they issued a warning to a member whose entire post consisted of the Bill of Rights.

    Apparently the moderators determined that the Bill of Rights is Ron Paul Spam, and that posting the Bill of Rights constitutes “shilling for Paul”, even if you don’t use his name.

    Perhaps it would be acceptable RedState material if the person posting improved the Bill of Rights like this:

    Amendment VI

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence involving water and boards.

    Feel free to make similar suggestions for the rest of the Bill of Rights.

  130. RedState has a thread going that offers an “olive branch” to Ron Paul supporters — you can post anything you want — if it’s written in haiku — leading to this post, presumably about VM πŸ˜‰

    In the basement room
    rancid food, porn, filthy clothes
    murmuring RonPaul!

    “A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition.” — Rudyard Kipling

    Apparently some RedStaters have a sense of humor, too.

  131. prolefeed:

    They require that I register to post a comment. Or at least I think that is the problem. It said “You are not authorized to post comments.” But I ain’t going to give these freaks any login information.

  132. Ha! Rockies are finally making a game of it!

  133. I knew kenny! Damn it! πŸ™

    The Red Sox will still win. I am positive πŸ˜‰

  134. The Red Sox are just adding a bit of spice to an easy sweep.

  135. Responding to a question about how Jindal did this time around in heavily Rebublican La Salle parish, given its apparent reluctance to vote for a GOP candidate that isn’t white, SIV notes:

    IIRC [Jindal] won LaSalle Parish hands down. %55 in a multi-candidate contest

    Well I suppose that’s one way to spin it. You might also note that statewide he won 54% of the vote, which means that in an overwhelmingly GOP parish he got essentially the same level of support as as he did throughout the rest of the state.

    Now, given that overwhelmingly Republican parish, you might have expected the GOP candidate to get a substantially greater level of support than he earned in the rest of the state – and, the thing is, in almost every other election, you’d be right. I’d hate to speculate on why, in this instance, you’d be wrong.

    By way of comparison, in the Lt. Governor’s race the GOP candidate Sammy Kershaw got 30.3% of the vote statewide but managed to get 59.4% of the vote in La Salle parish – or nearly twice the level of support he had statewide.

    Here are some recent elections results comparing the percentage of votes won statewide in Louisiana to La Salle parish for GOP candidates.

    2007 Governor Jindal 53.9 55.2 +1.3
    2007 Lt. Gov. Kershaw 30.3 59.4 +29.1
    2004 President Bush 56.7 80.4 +23.7
    2004 Senate Vitter 51.0 68.7 +17.7
    2003 Governor Jindal 48.1 39.2 -8.9
    2002 Senate Haik Terrell 48.3 66.9 +18.6
    2000 President Bush 52.6 74.7 +22.1

    PS – why doesn’t the pre /pre tag work? Need html help to format that block – but you can get the idea. The first number, statewide, second is La Salle and the third is the difference between them. The last number is the telling one.

  136. Kenny,

    HA! 9-5. Told ya! (sorry I am being such a prick)

  137. No worries, I just was hoping for a close game/ series
    I really don’t have a dog in the fight (I’m a Orioles/Nationals fan based on where I grew up) I just worry about the karmic imbalance that will occur in the universe if the Red Sox start to become a successful franchise (or even worse, a dynasty).

  138. I was just looking up some stuff of Kreshaw from the post above. Wow, isn’t “jungle primary” an unfortunate name for a political process, especially based on the thesis of Mr. Courts post?

  139. I just worry about the karmic imbalance that will occur in the universe if the Red Sox start to become a successful franchise (or even worse, a dynasty).

    No worries, it is all tribalism in sports.

  140. Brian – Every time I’ve tried to add “pre” data or tables, it hasn’t been recognized. That could have more to do with my crappy HTML skills than the blog software, though.

    Earlier today, I had a post that got eaten by my browser re: one of joe’s comments on NH elections. He stated the southern NH had a bigger % of Bush voters in 2004 vs 2000. I thought the reason why might be the 2000 Nader vote, so I did a quick analysis, adding Nader’s votes to Gore’s for 2000.

    The two big southern counties are Hillsborough & Rockingham – and they both had a higher % of Bush voters in 2004 than in 2000, even assuming every 2000 Nader voter would have gone for Gore. Nearly every other county had an increase in Democratic votes. I have the data in a lovely table, which, of course, I can’t post.

  141. Doesn’t Edward = Eric? as in Dondero?

    I think I smell doo doo again – Donderdoodoo.

    Forward his mail to the Tijuana jail. Or, in an alternative universe he’s getting a tan on the Seashores of Old Mexico with some hot little senorita.

    You pick.

  142. Prole: what part of the Aloha state do you live in?

  143. “A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition.” — Rudyard Kipling

    Amen.

  144. Speaking of the Rockies, Colbert, and other current events, the punchline in the last twenty seconds of this video is simply jaw dropping.

  145. Just in case (for TWC):

    Prole: Howzit? Where you at, brah?

  146. Brian,
    Your post seems to say more about Jindal’s popularity statewide than anything about La Salle parish. Kershaw got 59%. Jidnal got 55%. Kershaw did so much better in La Salle than he did statewide because of his unpopularity statewide, not because Jindal had some particular problem in La Salle. The four point difference between Kershaw and Jindal might suggest a teeny racist element, but hardly anthing substantial.

  147. Forward his mail to the Tijuana jail. Or, in an alternative universe he’s getting a tan on the Seashores of Old Mexico with some hot little senorita.

    You pick.

    Nah. Screw it – I’m goin’ back to bed.

  148. From the Michael Medved letter quoted above:

    “As a guest on my syndicated radio show, you answered my questions directly and fearlessly.”

    Deal with the rest of the letter as soon as time permits, but RP should excerpt and roll out that quote all over the place now!

  149. Almost anything can be explained in 3 sentences or less, I think.

    Here are two unrlated things that can’t be explained in three sentences –

    1) String theory.

    2) Paris Hilton’s fame.

    I’m sure there’s more. πŸ˜‰

  150. The average amount of skin melanin in the U.S. going up a couple percentage points over a few decades isn’t something to get your knickers in a twist about, unless your stock portfolio is composed exclusively of sunscreen manufacturers.

    Wise statement indeed, prolefeed.

  151. I’m sure there’s more. πŸ˜‰

    Women?

  152. Kenny,

    Sounds like you got a few all facts wrong, but if that story is coming across to you in the manner it probably does not matter to discuss it.

  153. I’m sure there’s more. πŸ˜‰

    Women?

    smartass sob, why did you use the question mark?

  154. Holy shit that Ron Paul ad was terrible. It’s like they hired the director of a 60’s educational film strip to shoot it.

  155. Kolohe and The WIne Commonsewer:

    Eh, howzit, brah? I wen’ stay Windward Oahu, yeah?

    Don’t actually talk that way — if a haole boy likes me talks pidgen, he better talk it fluently, or it comes across as fake and patronizing.

    I do say “howzit”, though, and say “okole” instead of “buttocks” without thinking about it. Imagine I’ll slowly incorporate more pidgen if I wen’ stay a few more decades here.

  156. SIV,

    Physical Anthropologists have not disavowed their work in this area, they just don’t over-emphasize it in today’s PC academic/political environment.

    To repeat myself: Good science is done with much more restrictive population definitions.

    This is as true in Physical Anthropology as any other field and reflected in the AAPA statement on the issue. Their position is an empirically driven position.

    PC = the accepted view.
    In science that tends to mean the view that has held up to scrutiny the best so far.

  157. I grew up as one of the minority pink skins in a home town with a majority of brown skins. Explain to me the problem again, because I can’t see it.

  158. Thanks for posting that, scineram. That was a good ad. Better than #1.

  159. Medved is a tool. Paul has no duty to dissassociate himself with goofs that support him, every candidate has plenty of those. Ha Medved publicly called on Romney to denounce Bob Jones? What a tool.

  160. Guy-
    I am then interested in an explanation (in three sentences or less, of course) of TNR bruhaha with the correct facts.
    Seriously.

  161. Has anyone seen Laura in her new look? I have to say, I did like the way she responded to Wallace.

  162. Guy Montag:

    Can you explain the TNR in 3 sentences or less? Just the bear minimum possible.

  163. Has anyone seen Laura in her new look? I have to say, I did like the way she responded to Wallace.

    No, she should have been a rude, inconsiderate, Ugly American, pissing off her hosts and sending the message “We’re better then you!” Yeah, that’s the kind of diplomacy that the asshats at The Weekely Standard would endorse. What a bunch of putzes!

  164. That #2 commercial was awesome.

    The first one.. not so much.

  165. Guy Montag:

    Can you explain the TNR Beauchamp affair in 3 sentences or less? Just the bear minimum possible.

    I guess even in three sentences people will differ.

  166. Yes, #2 ad was very good and much, much better than the 1st.

    This ad should help bring him in votes.

  167. Apparently at a rally in Cheyenne today they filmed part of another TV commercial: they got the crowd to chant “I’m Ron Paul, and I approve this message!” for use at the end of a future ad. I’d like to see that. I’m not sure the FEC will let them use it, though – I thought it had to be the candidate’s own voice.

  168. Fluffy — what if Ron Paul was in the crowd saying that?

    Ad #2 — way better. Was he changing his position on spending by merely saying he won’t vote for an unbalanced budget, or finessing his previous statements about gutting unconstitutional (read: virtually all) Congressional spending in order to appear more mainstream?

  169. smartass sob, why did you use the question mark?

    I was still asleep. Any guy knows that women can’t be explained in three sentences.

  170. Nor probably even an infinite number.

  171. prolefeed, he very much needs to sound like a conservative who wants to end the Iraq war. His mention of “wasting trillions of dollars” drives home this point.

    Saying he will veto any unbalanced budget that’s sent to his desk is, I’m sure, a careful statement. Note that he didn’t say he would sign off on a budget that, while balanced, still funds all the fecal beauracracies.

  172. Geez, all I did was ask whether Ron Paul had responded to Medved’s open letter. You Ron Paul people are a sensitive lot.

  173. That Ron Paul ad is bad because everyone in it is obviously an actor speaking scripted, unnatural lines. It certainly doesn’t give you the impression that Ron Paul is truly “catching on” among actual, real people.

  174. Hi, Eddie,

    Why don’t you ask the pro-war candidates to repudiate *this* –

    https://www.reason.com/news/show/28545.html

  175. That Ron Paul ad is bad because everyone in it is obviously an actor speaking scripted, unnatural lines. It certainly doesn’t give you the impression that Ron Paul is truly “catching on” among actual, real people.

    Truth in advertizing?

  176. Hey, Maddie!

    I think the pro-war candidates should respond to it (whatever it is).

  177. Well, Ed, who advertises truthfully?

  178. iih

    Maybe Ron Paul does.

  179. The liberal woman on the tiresome MacGlauglin Group predicted that Ron Paul will be the story coming out of New Hampshire. That’s the first indication I’ve seen that real people (nothing personal) are taking the Doctor seriously. If he is the story coming out of NH, which I doubt, he sure as hell will have to start addressing the issue of his unsavory supporters.

  180. The funny thing about that Paul ad is that those people aren’t actors, they’re actual supporters from New Hampshire. So they sound fake, even though they’re real. And if they had gone out and gotten actors to portray supporters, they’d be fake, but would sound real. There is some sort of French postmodernist ironic point in there somewhere.

  181. Simulacrum

  182. What’s that smell? Someone light a match, please.

    Anyway …

    The funny thing about that Paul ad is that those people aren’t actors, they’re actual supporters from New Hampshire. So they sound fake, even though they’re real.

    For real? I mean, is that so?

    I guess the problem is that they’re still self-consciously speaking for the camera. They should have had people being interviewed, or talking with each other, in response to the question, “Why do you support Ron Paul?” and let the cameras roll, and then grab some natural soundbites from that. Maybe let them respond to some other questions first — “What’s your current party affiliation?” “How do you feel about the current state of the country?” — and give them a chance to forget the cameras are rolling so that they end up talking more normally and naturally.

    They certain sound like they’re acting.

  183. On the other hand …

    While viewing this Hillary Clinton ad, which is much more slickly produced and, on the surface, much more impressive, all my cynicism sphincters cut loose at the 10-second mark. And I can’t remember what, if anything, was said during that commercial. Something about Hillary fighting for something.

  184. They should have had people being interviewed, or talking with each other, in response to the question, “Why do you support Ron Paul?” and let the cameras roll, and then grab some natural soundbites from that. Maybe let them respond to some other questions first — “What’s your current party affiliation?” “How do you feel about the current state of the country? “ARE YOU A NAZI?”

  185. OMG! I spit coffee out with that last line. Well played, old bean. Well played.

  186. Edward isn’t Dondero, after all. He’s Underzog! Hey, do the line about us being “Roehmites”. That always cracks me up.

  187. Baked –

    sorry – could you say that a little louder. that “whisk on concrete” sound is deafening! sss
    sss
    ssssss
    ssssssswwwwwwwww

    swwwwweeeeeeeppppppp
    sssssswwwwwweeeeeeeepppppp

    SWEEP!!!

    but we’ve been figuring that Eddie is a multiposter – like Dan T’s different names, or Passim’s incarnations… just who. Mr. Crane refuses to answer!

  188. Moose – I almost felt bad for the Rockies….. Ok, no I didn’t. You should feel good about next year, though. The Tribe has the pitching to win the WS.

    As for the troll revue –

    Will the real Ed Shady…
    Please stand up?
    Please stand up?
    Please stand up?

  189. hay – Baked πŸ™‚

    now that the “goddammit, bummer” has worn off, I’ve been jumping up and down with excitement to see the Tribe play in October (I never got the chance in the 90s)! And the smile from the Cavs making the finals is still there! That’s one that still feels like a dream!

    But the Rockies represented the best of the NL. Remember in the 80s when the AL East was called the AL Least? The dominant team is from there right now. (and mein gott, how dominant!!)

    are you excited about Sunday’s football? and joe was right that the ‘Skin’s D would give problems. grin. [keed keed]

    do you think they played “Hail to the Redskins” with the garbage time touchdown? [ducks]

  190. Long as we’re talking football, I’d like to point out that the Browns are 4-3 and the Lions are 5-2. Apocalypse, ye must be nearby.

  191. Also, RP ad #2 whups the llama’s ass with a belt.

  192. They should have had people being interviewed, or talking with each other, in response to the question, “Why do you support Ron Paul?” and let the cameras roll, and then grab some natural soundbites from that. Maybe let them respond to some other questions first — “What’s your current party affiliation?” “How do you feel about the current state of the country? “ARE YOU A NAZI?”

    “WHERE’S OSAMA BIN LADEN?!?!”

  193. The Indians were the second-best team in baseball. Man, was that series a sqeaker!

    The Patriots, on the other hand, are just about to lap the field.

    The Redskins really do have a good defense. Seriously!

  194. “The Indians were the second-best team in baseball”

    Not even close to #1 – probably closer to 5 than one! Everybody got the “rented mule” treatment from the champs this time ’round! This year there was no debate about which team was head and shoulders best!

    didn’t know that the Belmont, MA high school team was also “the Redskins”!!! Man. πŸ™‚

  195. Isn’t it good to be a New Englander these days?

  196. Everybody got the “rented mule” treatment from the champs this time ’round!

    Not the Tribe. 4-3, after being down 3:1, is not the rented mule treatment.

  197. How ’bout that Matty Heisman?

  198. πŸ™‚

    the final three games and then the series was an awesome display! πŸ™‚

    and unlike last year, the best team in Beizbol won this year! would that NCAA futbal were so clear cut!

    MATTY!!!!!!!!!!!

  199. There’s more parity in NCAA Football than in the NFL this year.

  200. Hokey as it may be, Ron Paul’s campaign ad is up to no 3 in the onion av club’s internet video chart.

    http://www.avclub.com/content/videocracy

  201. Guy-
    I am then interested in an explanation (in three sentences or less, of course) of TNR bruhaha with the correct facts.
    Seriously.

    PV1 Beauchamp said the war may have turned him into a monster, monster enough to taunt a scarred woman in Iraq, who he saw every day.

    PV1 Beauchamp swore this story was correct, until another secret-unnamed soldier allegedly told Foer it happened in Kuwait, before they got to the war and the jury is still out as to the story itself.

    Foer says this is a minor detail, but the story is still true.

    Well, that is just for one story in one article and I did not run-on much more than you did. Can’t explain the whole thing in 3 sentences, but then again, this is bigger than a nursery rime.

  202. but then again, this is bigger than a nursery rime.

    Damn skippy! I’d say it’s closer to a lullabye, but a cool one, like maybe that one Ringo sang with the Beatles.

  203. While it’s not a great ad, it says the right things, appeals to the right group of voters that may be undecided, and is tailored to NH. Would you prefer pot-smoking tax evading white supremacist 9/11 truthers blogging from their parent’s basement? That wouldn’t get many undecided voters on board. The avoidance of stereotyped supporters is refreshing. And best of all, it is not an attack ad. I bet the NH and Iowa people get bombarded with them more than the rest of us and no one likes attack ads.

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