Colbert Campaign: Watch Out, Ron Paul
Joshua Green at the Atlantic takes seriously Stephen Colbert's announced joke run for president in both major party primaries in South Carolina, and finds that Ron Paul
should be sweating….Paul's supporters are among the most passionate and committed this cycle. But their profile is similar to that of the voters Colbert might attract. ("Pot smokers," a Republican consultant called them.) Anonymous presidential advisor: "If Colbert wants to do it he's got to convert every young, semi-liberal Ron Paul supporter to the Colbert cause. If a young white male is going to vote, watches Comedy Central, and is internet savvy, chances are he's a Ron Paul supporter."
That's a great insight into what mainstream GOP consultants think of the Paul phenomenon, by the way.
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No worries, Colbert might have to report to federal-pound-me-in-the-ass prison.
http://www.viceland.com/int/dos.php?country=us
The youth of today!
Got no "brand" loyalty.
Joshua Green is mocking Ron Paul and his supporters.
does anyone else find this whole colbert for president thing to be remarkably stupid?
I can see Colbert catching legal trouble by some prosecutors with no sense of irony and an enviable ability to rationalize being a horrible knee-jerk prick.
JL:
Yes.
Jonathan, you mean all of them?
If a young white male is going to vote, watches Comedy Central, and is internet savvy, chances are he's a Ron Paul supporter."
Well,
I am a young white male that is going to vote, loves comedy central, and I am a computer science major.
I think that a lot of the things Ron Paul supports are absolutely insane and would never even consider voting for the guy.
Solution:
Paul/Colbert '08
At least Colbert is intentionally funny. Fucking fools.
I'm for Colbert/Putin, myself.
Whoops! Edward's off the lithium again!
AND EDWARD IS UNINTENTIONALLY A FANTABULOUS LOOKER.
WHO KNEW THAT TIGHTY WHITEYS ON THE OUTSIDE OF HIS DUNGAREES WOULD EMPHASIZE THE SPACE WHERE HIS PACKAGE IS SUPPOSED TO BE!
Solution:
Edward/Paul cage match.
That rage has to be good for something, right EDWAARRDDDDDDOOOO?
But Paul would have to be worried that you would say you wouldn't show, but then you would, folding chair in hand.
Edward is here. Where's DONDEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO???
A conspiracy theorist might theorize that someone at Viacom is very afraid of not only a Paul presidency, but the very message he brings. Colbert will no doubt get votes, diminishing Paul's overall returns. With fewer votes his message of freedom is much easier to ignore.
Speaking of folks who might have a bit of a skid mark about Paul, here's a prime example.
Yeah, go ahead and pile on when you know damn well I'm right.
I'm through with you fucking moonbats. This is my last post here. Delete me, I don't give a shit.
And fuck you, Urkobolds. Keep fucking with me and I'll crash your pathetic little website.
Uhhh...isn't Colbert breaking some FEC laws or something?
My intuition is that this Colbert stunt is going to actually help the likes of Ron Paul and hurt neocons.
Colbert is a political ninja -- which "side" is he on?
If all the pot smokers voted for the same candidate, he'd probably win that primary.
Yeah, Colbert is breaking appearance rules because of his show.
Thompson is breaking the same rules because of reruns of Law and Order on USA
Edward would be amusing if he was, I dunno, funny or something. What a boor.
fyodor-
Dude, they'd like, totally, you know, space out and forget to show up and vote.
It always makes me laugh when Edward refers to something as "pathetic." Funny stuff!
Edward's a bot isn't he? He keeps saying the same thing over and over again.
Except for that threat to crash a web site. I guess the bot's gone rampant.
Not sure if that was the real Edward or not, but it would be hilarious watching him try to crash Blogger.
And Hello, way to rip the first two words from a sentence to almost completely change its meaning.
I don't think this necesarily hurts Ron Paul. Oh, I'm sure it might deny Ron Paul some number of votes, perhaps a even a significant number. However, looking at things realistically, it does not hurt Ron Paul's message on iota.
Ron Paul's theses is that "Freedom is best for the country" and "freedom is popular". He is an economics wonk: his whole reason for entering politics was concern over Nixon's love of price controls and abandonment of the gold standard, and the lack of organized political opposition to these ideas. He has clearly and repeatedly stated that if some other Republican was to adopt his policies, that Ron Paul would support that guy's candidacy. Whil I believe he is making a dtermined effort to win the presidency, he is also trying to influence others to adopt his policies by offering a block of voters as a prize. Thus, in the likely even that he does not get the nomination, he could still change government policy by encouraging the guy who won the nomination to woo his supporters by adopting his policies.
So he propounds his policy ideas and attracts a following. Most of his followers agree with o0ne aspect of the package of policies he proposes. Many of them feel that he is the only acceptable candidate because they disagree so strongly wiht the others.
The only people who are going to vote for Colbert come from this disaffected pool.
Every vote that Ron Paul and Colbert earn will be seen as evidence of a set of voters who are up for grabs by 'electable' candidates. If the combined protest vote is large enough some group of anointed politicians will attempt to acquire them as supporters.
Thus, while Colbert can hurt Paul's chances of winning the nomination (which are pretty remote to begin with), they are not injurious to Paul's cause, which is to raise the profile of limited government.
I'm all for Noblet/Jellineck in '08.
EDDIE IS JUST A LITTLE MAD, BECAUSE THE WEIBSKOBOLD CRASHED HIS BRISS.
If a young white male is going to vote, watches Comedy Central, and is internet savvy, chances are he's a Ron Paul supporter."
uh that describes everyone in new york that i know, and very few of them are ron paul supporters.
If all the pot smokers voted for the same candidate, he'd probably win that primary.
If all the pot smokers... in VERMONT.. voted for the same candidate, he'd probably win the primary
I'm not so sure about South Carolina
Lawd, I've only been reading/posting here a month or two, and I've seen Edward rip up his membership three times already.
It's like Memento.
Edward, you need to tattoo, "Don't post at Hit and Run", backwards on your chest, along with "Fear URKOBOLD!" You might see it more if you had it inked on your taint, but that spot may be seriously withered by the time you are done here, if my intuition is correct...
YES. EDDIE'S BRISS WAS MORE OF A TWEEZER CEREMONY. THERE WASN'T ENOUGH OF HIS TROUSER SAUSAGE TURTLENECK TO MAKE A DECENT PINKY RING.
And... my intuition was correct.
See also:
How Ron Paul Could Win the Presidency - Lew Rockwell
http://www.digg.com/2008_us_elections/How_Ron_Paul_Could_Win_the_Presidency
What if the Ron Paul Fans Became SEO Savvy?
http://www.digg.com/2008_us_elections/What_if_the_Ron_Paul_Fans_Became_SEO_Savvy_2
39 Ron Paul Videos With Over 100,000 Views Apiece!
http://www.digg.com/2008_us_elections/39_Ron_Paul_Videos_With_Over_100_000_Views_Apiece
Denial of service attacks are a crime. The punishment? Ten year, hard taint-withering.
Or ten years, depending on the nationality of the judge.
I hate all of you. I really do.
don't forget the mandatory lessons of pleasuring the WEIBSKOBOLD's moon bat. EDDIE will be particularly interested in that.
*bats eyes at EDDIE.
DOES THIS SHIRT OFFEND YOU, EDWARD?
EDWARD IS A WHITE BELT (HIGHEST CLASSIFICATION) IN DONDER-KWAN-DOOOOO!
AND HE IS OFFENDED BY THE OFFENSE TAKEN BY OFFENSE.
HIS SEETHING RAGE IS SIMILAR TO DUNCAN'S AS HE HAS TO GO OUT AND... AND... AND... MACRAME!
or something.
Uhhh...isn't Colbert breaking some FEC laws or something?
Not if he isn't an actual candidate, because he hasn't filed any papers. You don't become a presidential candidate because you announce you're going to run on a comedy show, and pretend to fill out the papers, and say you are going to mail them in ... and then don't. Hint: do you really think someone is allowed to run on both the Democratic and Republican tickets in the same election?
A fake newscaster who pretends to be a conservative pundit pretending to run for office so he can make jokes about it ... naah, that couldn't be. He HAS to be running. He SAID he would.
Did someone's irony detector get accidentally turned off, or what?
If all the pot smokers... in VERMONT.. voted for the same candidate, he'd probably win the primary
I'm not so sure about South Carolina
Ummm ... what do you think is growing in the hidden understory of some of those tobacco fields in South Carolina?
Keep fucking with me, Urkobolds. I dare you.
OKAY.
*USES FEATHER TO TICKLE THAT "SPECIAL SPOT" THAT EDDIE LIKES OH SO WELL*
purty purty
Actually, prolefeed, according to the article I posteed in the first post on this thread, announcing his canidacy + raising $5000 = canidate according to the FEC. Also, the problem is not the TV appearances per se, but the fact that technically Comedy Central is sponsoring his bid, and the fact that Colbert acts as producer for the show. (Not to mention the fact that Comedy Central, for a short time, actually hosted his presidential bid website.)
OOOH! I'm starting to want the Edward Treatment! It looks like fun so far! Tickling, flattery, what else could a guy ask for?
prolefeed,
Nothing! Nothing at all! Seriously! It works better in corn fields.
Or so I hear. I was always more on the retail end than the production end of that business.
Speaking of Colbert...Conservative T-shirt Girl is BAAACK!! I hadn't seen her all week and thought she was gone for good...
Hey Urkobolds, how about keeping your schtick confined to your own unfunny, racist website and keep it off of here. Thank you.
..unfunny, racist website..
Is Edward referring to the Award-winning Monkey Tuesday's? Or the very deserving but still un-lauded Sulu Fridays?
POT smokers?
Ohnoes!
Reasonoids, the Republican Committee for the Defense of Tighter Asses doesn't think you and your good-time-charlie antics are funny. At all.
SCHTICK.
WOW THAT'S IMPRESSIVE. HIER I THOUGHT WE HAD BANTER, MAYBE REPARTEE, EVEN. BUT ACTUAL SCHTICK? DAMN. WE'RE GOOD.
NOW, DID YOU KNOW THAT THE HERBAL TAINT-GROWTH PRODUCT YOU PURCHASED REALLY DOESN'T WORK?
And that's why he's the Ur-troll, the Uber-troll, the Troll of Trolls.
Eddie, he is your God, and you are a worm before him. You parachute into these threads hoping to troll, and end up getting trolled right out of your dignity.
pwned.
I stand in awe of the Urkobold.
The Facebook group "1,000,000 Strong For Stephen T Colbert" currently has 723,834 members. The group got more members in five days than Barack Obama's 1,000,000 strong group (of which Giuliani's daughter Caroline used to be a member) got in nine months. In six days the group got more members than the group "Stop Hillary Clinton: (One Million Strong AGAINST Hillary)" got in eight months.
Apparently, in South Carolina it is. At least that's what Colbert said in an interview i heard.
So, I guess you have to take that for what it is worth. 🙂
I might actually have a reason to vote in 2008 if Colbert sticks around.
Keep pushing me, Urkobolds. If you want a war I'll give you one. Don't think for one second I'm joking either.
JOKING?
HEAVENS NO, EDDIE. YOU ARE A MAN WHO FOLLOWS UP ON HIS THREATS FOR ACTION!!!
Colbert will never win over Ron Paul's stalwart neo-nazi supporters.
Someone really has to start bookmarking and archiving all the "Redstate", "Freeper", Josh Green type hatred and disdain for Ron Paul and his supporters.
If Paul goes 3rd party or is the subject of some netroots driven write-in campaign, and the Republican candidate loses in a close election, I don't want to hear any whining from Republicans.
I've said all along that the secret silver lining to the Paul campaign is that it has brought to the surface just how much disrespect for libertarian-republicans there is among the nationalist and evangelical wings of the party. People have to realize that no matter what Dondero says about it, the Republican party hates you and wants you to go away. Remember all this stuff when mainstream Republicans try to whine that you "nadered" them, later on.
That's true. We neo-nazis are sticking by our man. Go Herr paul!
Has anybody heard the rumors that Ron Paul is gay?
COLBERT SHALL TRIUMPH! LENI RIEFENSTAHL SHALL PAINSTAKINGLY DOCUMENT HIS EFFORTS!
Edward is using "Urkobold" as his handle now, even though the real URKOBOLD uses..."URKOBOLD".
Is this your war, EDDWAAARRDDOOOO? Are you French?
Ginslinger -- got a better link? The one you posted leads to a pictures of kids partying.
Seriously, does the FEC not recognize a spoof when they see it? Oh, right, government employees -- malfunctioning irony detectors.
Be interesting to watch Comedy Central's lawyers duke it out with the FEC if they really proceed with such a ridiculous charge.
THAT'S TRUE! RONPAUL (sic) KNOWS ALL OF THE FOOT TAPPING MOVES!
HE IS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE "RIVERDANCE WANNA BE COMPANY". YAY!
DIDJA KNOW THAT RONPAUL (sic) WAS PHOTOGRAPHED IN A THREESOME WITH dunder(head)oooooo AND edward(ild)ooooooooooo?
YES! AND RONPAUL IS A LOUSY TIPPER!!
JL,
Count me in, too. Not funny, not clever.
OMG!OMG!OMG! I ORDERED A CHAEZBURGER. I'M CANCELING MY SUBSCRIPTION. I'M TAKING MY BALL AND GOING HOME. WHY DOES EVERYTHING HAVE TO DO WITH THINGS GOING IN AND OUT OF MY ASS?
IS THIS THING ON? WHAT IS THE BEST GARNISH FOR LEMON CURRY? RONPAUL SUX. URKOBOLD IS SILLY. MY SHOES ARE TOO TIGHT, WHILE THE SOCKS ARE TOO LOOSE.
IT'S A WAR ON WAR! DID YOU KNOW THAT I AM EDDIE????
WHAT IS THE IN FLIGHT VELOCITY OF AN UNLADEN SWALLOW?
Oh, and Edward, joe was right you were pwned by urkobold. Time and time again.
Fine. You can't say I didn't warn you. I hope you hacks can finish what you started.
Here's a link to a discussion of the legal issues involved in the Colbert "campaign.
Many more articles if you google "FEC Colbert".
I'M EDDIE!
LAST WEEK I SAW RON PAUL RECEIVING A LARGE, LUMPY, FOUL-SMELLING ENVELOPE FROM A MINION OF URKOBOLD.
RON PAUL IS IN THE PAY OF BIG URKOBOLD!!
NOW LET ME BLOW YOUR WHISTLE!!!!
THAT WAS ME. IT WAS THE LEFTOVER FROM THE GERMAN SCHEISSE VIDEO WE FILMED TOGETHER.
Wow, here comes the whole clan. The World of Warcraft server down or something?
RON PAUL IS A SCHILL FOR BIG SCHEISSE!
OMG! YOU PLAY WARCRAFT, TOO? HOW COOL IS THAT?
(actually, my site, on url, isn't really mine)
EDWARRRRRDOOOOOOOOO!
EDWARRRRRDOOOOOOOOO!
The World of Warcraft server down or something?
The only thing that's gone down around here lately is your mom.
EDWARRRRRDOOOOOOOOO!
Hmm. I think this is how the whole Palestinian-Jewish thing got started.
I don't play games. Keep fucking with me and you and the rest of the Urkobolds will find that out.
"YES. EDDIE'S BRISS WAS MORE OF A TWEEZER CEREMONY. THERE WASN'T ENOUGH OF HIS TROUSER SAUSAGE TURTLENECK TO MAKE A DECENT PINKY RING."
Reason, my ass.
See, somebody who could actually back that up says it 3, maybe 4 times.
Somebody who can't just says it over and over and over and over and over.
RAID TONITE!
EVRY1 MEET @ http://WWW.MAINSTREAMLIBERTARIAN.COM, BUFF THE DPS'S,
THEN WITHER OUR WAY THROUGH EDWARD'S TRASH MOB!
AND BY TRASH MOB, WE MEAN TAINT!
SILLY, SILLY, SKIP. YOUR ASS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CEREMONY. JUST ASK "EDDIE". AS YOU PROBABLY HAVE HEARD, HE DOES NOT PLAY GAMES.
WHICH IS A SHAME. I HAVE A FOURTH LEVEL WICHSER HE COULD PLAY.
Edward,
Just so you know, they really will ban you around here if you continue to make creepy threats. I've seen it done. Besides, you're making VM all crazy, and it's so much trouble getting him straightened out. He'll be posting in Danish for weeks after this.
Just to make the peace, I think Ron Paul is a Nazi, too. A Liber-Nazi, but that's a quibble.
Hey eddie...COME AND GET ME TOO! YOUR NETFU CANNOT DEFEAT MY MONKEY TAINT SKILLS.
COME ON, EDDIE! THIS MEANS WAR, RIGHT?
RIGHT?
EDDIE?
HELLO?
Just as I thought-big mouth on a basement-dwelling little bitch.
NOW I'M AN URKOBOLD, TOO, EDDIE. WILL YOU MAKE WAR ON ME NOW?
HOW ABOUT IF I TALK ABOUT YOUR MAMMA?
YOU KNOW, YOUR FAT, ALCOHOLIC MAMMA?
EDDIE?
HELLO?
Did you know that an anagram of URKOBOLD is "Cum dump" (of course, it must first be translated into Farsi)?
EDDIE DOESN'T PLAY GAMES. THAT'S TOO BAD. I BET I COULD BEAT HIM IN TRIVIAL PURSUIT. LOSER HAS TO GET "RON PAUL IS MY LOVEGOD" TATTOOED ON HIS TAINT.
"Just so you know, they really will ban you around here if you continue to make creepy threats."
And yet, some piece of backdoor poon-tang can clog the thread with childish blather and that's considered reasonable?
LOSER HAS TO GET "RON PAUL IS MY LOVEGOD" TATTOOED ON HIS TAINT.
See my 2:15 post. Ruminate.
And yet, some piece of backdoor poon-tang can clog the thread with childish blather and that's considered reasonable?
Yes.
But we make a lot of fun of him for it.
Skip,
Yes, that's correct. Even childish, racist blather.
prolefeed, et al.
Interesting, that is not the link that I typed in, and furthermore, it's not hypertext, as it clearly was when I previewed. Well, back to web pre-school for me.
"Yes, that's correct. Even childish, racist blather."
Deep.
And yet, some piece of backdoor poon-tang can clog the thread with childish blather and that's considered reasonable?
No, just entertaining.
Maybe you should lighten up, Skip. Being a stiffy probably isn't much fun.
No, but having one is GREAT!
(apologies to Skip)
I realize that you may have been expecting a comment thread that is only dedicated to getting to the real nitty-gritty, in-depth dissection of Stephen Colberts run for the Presidency, and in that case, I am sorry for my part in obfuscating serious analytical discussion of theis really serious matter.
Danger - that was the Capitan - that was an excellent reference at 2:15!
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that was the Capitan
???
no idea, either. never mind.
All of the Eddie are belong to WEIBSKOBOLD, and I'm a little faint from the activity!
"I realize that you may have been expecting a comment thread that is only dedicated to getting to the real nitty-gritty, in-depth..."
I'm okay with a little fun, but a highjacked thread ain't it.
On topic:
the characterization of a Paul supporter as "semi-liberal" is very strange. Paul supports or at least his ideas fall on the side of several socially-conservative positions.
I guess ending the drug war would be "semi liberal"..... hmmmmm.
Opposition to which war would rally the social conservative ranks against him? Or which one would dominate?
I think 'semi-liberal' is a coping mechanism used by conservatives who are fighting the idea that Dr. Pauls positions might actually be more conservative than theirs.
See? On Topic....I can do this...breathe...
yes - and the tainting effect of the word "liberal" is enough to get those oh-so-open socially-conservative minds to shut a little tighter.
However, if they would open their eyes ([and] see the lies all in front of [them]), Paul would be the ideal gateway candidate for them along the way to libertarianism. although they'd have to get used to the fact that they'd be confronted with issues and elements of life they're afraid of/ dislike... it's a quandary!
I'm okay with a little fun, but a highjacked thread ain't it.
Okay, people -- for Skippy's sake, let's knock off the fun and stick to this thread's serious topic: the Colbert candidacy.
One last comment to EDWARRRDOOOO, though:
I don't play games.
Your mom does, though.
Keep fucking with me
Your mom has that covered.
Okay, that's my last insult to Edward. I'm outa this loony bin. No more. I mean it. I'm outa here.
In my view, this comes down to a lack of recognition of how social and economic policies benefit us differently. Many bumper-sticker GOP voters are more inclined to believe (and are encouraged to believe) that a gay couple getting married is going to have a more deleterious effect on their life than a nanny state with high taxes. After all, we already have taxes, so it is a case of the Devil You Know. Look at the term "Culture War".
I think a lot of time is wasted worrying about the liberal-conservative distinction. Paul has some characteristics of each, but his real focus is on limited government and maximized personal liberty. He's not pure classical liberal, of course, but he's a whole lot closer than any other candidate.
People often say vote the issues, but most of them don't mean it. Paul could do a lot to rein in the federal government, both on the civil liberties and government-as-bloat fronts. Want to end the war? Want to end the War on Drugs? Want to stop torture? Want to slow or reverse the ever-more invasive government? Then vote Paul.
Unfortunately, we've been so diminished by our willingness to vote "sound bite" that people are going to be put off by single issues--Paul's on the wrong side of the abortion issue, he's soft on terror, he likes drug users, he's too Christian, he's too friendly with big business he's too whatever. Bah.
PL: Yep.
I'm convinced! I'm dumping Paul and voting for Colbert--Wait, wait...I don't live in South Carolina.
If all the pot smokers... in VERMONT.. voted for the same candidate, he'd probably win the primary
I'm not so sure about South Carolina
Dude, rednecks are some of the biggest pot smokers out there. Ever been to a Hank Jr. concert?
"If all the pot smokers... in VERMONT.. voted for the same candidate, he'd probably win the primary"
If you took all of the urinals out of all of the bus station restrooms in America and laid them end-to-end...you wouldn't want to be there when they did it.
- hat tip to Johnny Carson circa 1974
Here ya go guys.
A balanced look at the make up of the libertarian movement...
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3328/floating_utopias/
...adherents of "libertarianism," that peculiarly American philosophy of venal petty-bourgeois dissidence. Libertarianism is by no means a unified movement. As many of its advocates proudly stress, it comprises a taxonomy of bickering branches-minarchists, objectivists, paleo- and neolibertarians, agorists, et various al.-just like a real social theory. Claiming a lineage with post-Enlightenment classical liberalism, as well as in some cases with the resoundingly portentous blatherings of Ayn Rand, all of its variants are characterized, to differing degrees, by fervent, even cultish, faith in what is quaintly termed the "free" market, and extreme antipathy to that vaguely conceived bogeyman, "the state," with its regulatory and fiscal powers. Above all, they recast their most banal avarice-the disinclination to pay tax-as a principled blow for political freedom.
Who is this "Conservative T-Shirt Girl" of whom you speak?
Hey! I missed the meltdown. No fair!
But wait, I thought that Ron Paul's supporters were all anti-Semite racist isolationist abortion clinic bombing skin-head conspiracy nuts....
BTR
So was Edward actually banned for his rather cryptic threats? Or is he just in his basement masturbating gloomily while fondling his mother's underwear? Inquiring minds want to know!
Edward, the poor silly thing, said:
So, you're like a battered wife who keeps returning to an abusive relationship? 'Cause all I see here is you getting your ass beat. But, really, you do have it coming.*
* Apologies in advance to all women (and men) who are in real abusive relationships.
okay. i have arrived to settle this thread down.
minions and subordinates of the urkobold: go home. your work here is over. urkobold ain't paying you overtime.
edward: sorry, man. it just wasn't your time to shine.
Ron Paul is such a fucking joke.
Edward -
certainly. In many ways. However, check out why some people hier support him. Some are clear in their support, others are more vague. He has some fairly strong support here in both groups.
But you certainly are correct - I do think some of his ideas are fucking jokes. My question as a voter is: what elements of his candidacy (ideas, presentation, behavior, etc) are fucking jokes, and I'd check off the other candidates' fucking jokes, too.
then you prioritize which fucking jokes are acceptable, which are not. Then you have yourself a candidate.
Or you flip a coin.
In the end, it won't matter. Soon ZOD will become president. URKOBOLD endorses ZOD!
Did Edward seriously come back at 2:00AM just to say....nothing?
Hahahaha, I absoluely love it when people on this site act like Ron Paul has a chance in hell of becoming the president. And what is even funnier is how the people on this site think libertarians are the intellectual cream-of-the-crop. The two are mutually exclusive. If you think Ron Paul is gonna win, you are an absolute moron.