Another Look at Fred
Michael Tanner makes the libertarian case for Fred Thompson:
During his eight years in the Senate, Thompson had a solid record as a fiscal conservative. The National Taxpayers Union gives him the third highest marks of any candidate (trailing only Reps. Ron Paul and Rep. Tom Tancredo).
There are only three more GOP candidates who have served in Congress—Duncan Hunter, Sam Brownback and John McCain—but it's fair to say Thompson has the highest NTU rating of the first tier. There's no good metric for comparing him to Romney and Giuliani.
He generally shared McCain's opposition to pork barrel spending and earmarks, and voted against the 2002 farm bill.
"Generally" is a tricky word. The Club for Growth has summed up Thompson's record on earmarking:
Thompson was fiercely protective when it came to his own earmarks. His congressional website boasts of the federal dollars he was able to "snag" for his Tennessee constituents, including $25 billion in highway funds; $70 million for the Tennessee Valley Authority; $2 million for the Tennessee River; and $23 million for the Spallation Neutron Source project. Thompson felt so strongly about preserving funding for the Tennessee Valley Authority, he fought to exempt funds for the TVA from the balanced budget constitutional amendment in 1995, carving out a new category of "constitutional pork." And though Thompson supported and voted for the presidential line-item veto, he fought vehemently to undo President Clinton's veto of two Tennessee projects.
But back to Tanner…
He voted for the Bush tax cuts and has generally been solid in support of tax reduction. He has consistently supported entitlement reform, voting to means-test Medicare and supporting personal accounts for Social Security.
He's good on taxes, although of the candidates with a congressional record that only distinguishes him from McCain. And I'm still confused as to why he supported Social Security accounts in the Senate but blandly talks about the crisis and the need for solutions now. No mention of accounts.
On federalism, there may be no better candidate. His Senate record is replete with examples of his being the lone opponent of legislation that he thought undercut federalist principles. He took this position even on legislation that was otherwise supported by conservatives. He opposes federal action to prohibit gay marriage on federalist grounds, although he supports state bans.
This assertion makes me question Tanner's other assertions. Thompson clearly supports a Constitutional Amendment to bar states from recognizing gay unions affirmed in other states, and he's convinced Gary Bauer that he wants to go further. And as James Kirchick has pointed out, Thompson has been blase and fibbed about the popularity of gay marriage in state legislatures, claiming that none of them have voted for marriage rights when California has multiple times.
One blight on this record is his vote in favor of No Child Left Behind, but he now says he opposes increased federal involvement in education.
See, that's a problem with Fred: He had some good instincts in the Senate and some bad ones but he never really answers for the bad ones. How soon did he turn against NCLB? On CFR, was he misled by friends like John McCain? Because his version of why he supported McCain-Feingold (supported in a crucial role, it might not have passed without him) doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
Tanner makes the case that Thompson was a fine, flawed senator with some of the right instincts on taxes and federalism. I didn't disagree. But the small role his Senate record plays in his campaign and his pose as a grim, serious Washington outsider reminds me of John Edwards. Neither man showed much leadership on the issues they're running on when they were in the Senate, and now they argue that they're uniquely ready to lead.
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His record suggests the moment his hand touches the bible, all federalists notions will disperse in with the winter wind, and the imperial executive will continue apace.
Are you crazy man? Are you trying to summon Bill Quick?
So, libertarians should vote for Thompson because he talks a good game and once in a while follows through.
No, thanks.
Billy!!! oh Billy! please come quick! but not as quick as last night...
*walks in on BILLY and DUNDER(head)OOOOO
BILLLLYYYYYYY!!!!!
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!
*sets self on fire and jumps off of conveniently-located cliff*
He will go to war with Iran. Is this a libertarian position??
I'm compelled to laugh out loud every time Gary Bauer comments on gay issues.
If he doesn't have the stereotypical affectations of a homosexual, I don't know who does.
I bet Gary is mad at Larry -- for getting caught.
He will go to war with Iran. Is this a libertarian position??
Only if you're Eric Dondero, or possibly SIV.
Why does Weigel hate Tennessee?
Ditto AC. Succinctly put.
The answer is pretty easy. He's not a libertarian, he's not a conservative, he's a Republican.
What's being totally ignored here by Reason and even Tanner is the fact that Fred Thompson has had friendly relations with libertarians and the libertarian movement since the early 1990s. That's a huge plus in his favor.
In 1994, one of Thompson's Top Campaign Advisors for his Senate race was none other than Republican Liberty Caucus Vice-Chairman Michael McCloskey of Knoxville-area.
The RLC supported Thompson heavily in that race. Thompson returned the favor by having McCloskey and other libertarian Republicans up to Washington. He also loaded his staff with young libertarians.
Thompson also gave a front page interview to Republican Liberty (then the in-house publication of the RLC).
It's not always dry statistics that matter, but personal relationships, as well. And on that score, Fred Thompson has been the most closely associated GOP candidate with libertarians, save Ron Paul.
And even on that score, Thompson was associating with the RLC when Paul was still hanging out with the Libertarian Party (1993/94).
Donderooooooooooooooooooooooo
RE: libertarian
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
Fred boasts of being on the short end of some 99-1 votes when the Constitution was being ignored. Has anyone found any of those 99-1 votes in his record? Even one?
Gary?
[looks under pile of pale yellow undies]
Gary?
oh hi Larry. Wanna join Billy Q and me for a rollicking, crisco-butter-stix blood and fecal matter smeared threesome?
Hunh? FT is more libertarian than RP because he associated with a Republican organization instead of a Libertarian organization? Wow! Just wow!
I'm still waiting for Fred to say something more substantial about his platform than rehashing what he did in the past.
The votes in favor of gay marriage by the California legislature are little more than a stunt, as Prop. 22 passed by referendum several years ago makes these proposed laws unconstitutional. The legislature would have to put gay marriage back on the ballot, where it will lose (again). Whatever Arnold's motivations for vetoing the proposed laws, please tell TNR and Mr. Kirchik that this is one example of Separation of Powers at work.
Fred boasts of being on the short end of some 99-1 votes when the Constitution was being ignored. Has anyone found any of those 99-1 votes in his record? Even one?
Craig,
IIRC, the votes were in opposition to the Gun-Free Schools Act and forcing States to adopt the .08 DUI standard or lose "Federal" highway funds.
How soon did he turn against NCLB?
Actually, I heard Thompson say a while back that he voted in favor of NCLB as a favor to a fellow Senator. He never supported NCLB; he just figured it would pass anyway.
Which major party presidential candidate is the "second most libertarian" after RP?
Fred Thompson,s record and expressed opinions suggest that he is. I am waiting to see if he holds to this during the Primary- and if victorious- the General election.
DONDEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Does Rudy know you're cheating on him with Fred?
Which major party presidential candidate is the "second most libertarian" after RP?
Wrong, I'm pretty sure its Bill Richardson. Thompson isn't libertarian if he wants a monarchial executive branch and war with Iran.
Prop 22 is not a CA constitutional amendment. It is currently tied up in state court and most likely will be ruled unconstitutional on Free Religion, Free Association, Gender Discrimination, and Privacy Rights violations (as if that wasn't obivous!). Therefore the CA legislature's bills to legalize it are not unconstitutional but are prefectly legitimate. I ought to know, since it's my job to know being on the LPC Legislative Team
And Dead-in-the-Head-Fred is no libertarian. Neither is Eric Dumdero. No real libertarian would think that first strike equates to self-defense...
"The Revolution will NOT be televised!" RP08
Yeah, guess you're right. Libertarian doesn't mean what I think it means.
Silly me. I always thought libertarian meant busting your ass off for the libertarian movement.
Thanks to the Reason Blog, I now learn that it actually means sitting in your armchair, and bashing libertarians who actually do all the work for the movement.
The less you work for the libertarian movement, and the more you bitch about those who do, the more "libertarian" you are.
What a revelation!
Rudy is definitely first choice.
Fred is a strong second. Problem with Fred I have is that I think he'd have limited appeal in the Northeast and Pacific West. Rudy is polling well in NJ, New Hampshire, PA, Oregon, and Washington. Fred is only polling well in the South.
If it's Fred, that's great. But he damned well better do something dramatic, like appoint Condy, Dennis Miller or Tommy Franks as his VP. And preferably someone with some appeal in the Northeast.
Wait a second. If that's what the word "libertarian" means, then what you said could be restated thusly:
Splendid circular argument. Whatever movement it is you think you're fighting for (by pushing Rudy and/or Fred), it ain't the libertarian one. Silly you indeed.
See what happens when you get into politics without a philosophy.
It becomes all about power, the getting of it, the keeping of it.
It is true that Thompson intersected with the early RLC, the newsletter, RLC Tenn. organizer McCloskey, etc. His voting record was about 75% positive according to Cliff Thies' Liberty Index.
I disagree with Eric though about Thompson's potential appeal in the Northeast and Northwest. It's still early. He already has a perceived familiarity to people all over the country - they have already invited him into their homes, so to speak. People don't see him as a hayseed or oafish Boss Hogg or Dub Taylor - he's more of a wise and fair Southern patriarch, like Big Daddy from Cat on a Hot Tin Roof.
He is lagging in New Hampshire, but that's only b/c Flip Romney is from neighboring Mass-ass-a-chusetts and got there much earlier.
What's most important is that he's someone GOP upper-tier leaders can rally behind without feeling awkward or guilty or pointless.
I personally like him, although his foreign policy is taken out of the Project for a New American Century playbook. Fred's CFR association drives the conspiracy crowd nuts, but they don't matter.