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'God Saves Our Bunnies'

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An Indonesian court has rejected indecency charges against the editor of Indonesian Playboy, finding that the magazine's slightly risqué pictures of clothed women "could not be categorized as pornography" because all the naughty bits were covered. Islamic activists, who want to forbid women from wearing "provocative clothing" in everyday life as well as magazine spreads, are pissed:

A leader of the Islamic Defenders Front, Irwan Asidi, warned his organisation would "declare war" on Playboy. "We will attack the Playboy office and sweep up copies of the magazine, which will destroy the morals of Indonesian children."

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  1. Guy sounds a lot like Bill Donahue, frankly.

  2. “We will attack the Playboy office and sweep up copies of the magazine, which will destroy the morals of Indonesian children.”

    So THEY want to use copies of the magazine to destroy the morals of Indonesial children? Heh.

  3. Anybody read Playboy recently? I think the IDF really is doing the people of Indoneisa a big favor here.

  4. Islamic Defenders Front

    Who’s that? Why, he’s the People’s Popular Front! SPLITTER!

    So how risque are these magazines exactly? Do they have bare ankles? See-through burqas? Full frontal faces?

  5. Hey. Look at that guy with the No Bunny sign. He’s telling Playboy to go to hell, but it’s much more powerful because he cleverly made the text like like a URL. See that way it’s… He’s also saying… um what is up with that anyway?

  6. Gee, my life in this sweatshop sucks and I’m a failure at providing for my family. I can’t direct my anger towards my boss because I’ll be killed or tortured. Can you help me vent my anger?

  7. Well, since they’re doing it for the children, I guess it must be OK. Right?

  8. why do i now want to look up pictures of fully clothed women on google?

    ..

    .

    .

    How do I look up pictures of fully clothed women on google?

  9. Who the hell still uses magazines for porn? I’m shocked Playboy even has circulation. Last I heard, Penthouse was down to about 350,000, which terrible for porn.

    BTW, how is the Libertarian movement doing in the Islamic world? Not to sound all Marxist, but it appears they need to go through a few more stages of development, namely understanding the concept of separation of church and state.

    I wonder how Locke or Hobbes fares in Indonesia.

  10. Under-developed world, indeed; in the information economy no-one pays for porn.

  11. When did .TO_HELL! become a valid domain?

  12. There is an article in this month’s Reason about the history of dirty pictures in magazines (I think that is what it is about – I haven’t read it yet). I would love to see what we thought was risque 100 years ago versus what they think is risque today.

  13. I’ve finally figured it out: a religion that bans booze and nudity makes people cuh-raaazeey.

  14. ‘God Saves Our Bunnies’

    Last night, mrs. Lunchstealer got a text message from a friend of ours that said “Men are evil – bunnies are good!”

    We hadn’t seen the new South Park yet, so we were baffled.

  15. “‘God Saves Our Bunnies'”

    coincidence?

    Across the street from us is the (one time) playboy mansion. Up the street is the cardinal’s house.

    hmmmmm. the mind boggles.

    And I’ll be in my bunk

  16. 100 years ago, a woman showing her ankles was risque.

    As for 100 years from now, I suspect it will be pictures [or holograms, or induced synaptic analogues] of hamburgers.

  17. Is it just me or would it be really interesting to read an indonesian playboy? I think it is fascinating to study other cultures erotica, from an academic viewpoint, of course.

  18. In a not so off topic story, NY City wants to circumcise you!

    Could this lead to people thinking: “Hey, you’re circumcised, I’m circumcised; Who needs protection?!”

  19. Hey. Look at that guy with the No Bunny sign.

    I think he plays “Fez” on That ’70s Show. But I’ve never seen him so angry.

  20. “I think he plays “Fez” on That ’70s Show. But I’ve never seen him so angry.”

    I thought his Fez was familiar

    (runs off)

  21. “Who the hell still uses magazines for porn? I’m shocked Playboy even has circulation. Last I heard, Penthouse was down to about 350,000, which terrible for porn.”

    Playboy isn’t porn, really. You know how people used to say ‘I only read it for the articles?’ Yeah. There isn’t really any reason to read it anymore *except* the articles.

    That said, they’re usually pretty good articles.

  22. This might be a terribly unpopular opinion/rant but I’ll state my case anyway….

    I’ve grown tired of making excuses for the whole Arabic world… I’m known around the circle of my friends as the Islam appologist, but frankly I’m beginning to have a change of heart.

    We honestly stand at a crossroads of human history. We can embrace the ‘west’ and begin to see human civilization propeled forward in a huge surge of science, or waste our time, money, resourses and young people to this worthless fight against a people that obviously do not want to see anything in thier shallow world change.

    I’m starting to think that maybe wiping these people off the face of the earth might not be a bad thing. Maybe humans just need a systematic genocide every few hundred years to weed out the undesireables.

    We can continue to fight these people for the next what, hundred, two hunderd, three hundred years, wasting huge amounts of time, money etc. Or just give them the ultimate ultimatum, either learn to play nice with the other kids in the sandbox, or get wiped out. The world is too small for people to just decide to Jihad everything they dont agree with, which to these people seems to be everything.

    I’m done making excuses for these people, if really were the Roman empire we would have wiped these people out 5 years ago.

  23. “I’ve grown tired of making excuses for the whole Arabic world.”

    um. check out where this story is from.

    fucking up that eeny, teeny, little detail kinda exposes yer rant.

    um.

    yeah.

  24. Are these the same guys who lust after the thought of deflowering 72 virgins in Paradise?

  25. Well. Genocide has arrived at Hit & Run.

    I think maybe just waiting for Mr. Fusion and laughing as more primitive cultures fall further and further behind might be a better option. Schadenfreude versus Die Endl?sung der Judenfrage, if you catch my meaning.

  26. “We will attack the Playboy office and sweep up copies of the magazine, which will destroy the morals of Indonesian children.”

    Poor grammar aside, I have a couple of observations:

    This assumes Indonesian children are born with perfectly good morals, and that said morals are quite fragile.

    Mohammed, these people are idiots!

  27. Kannabis-You’re advocacy of genocide is psychotic, but I understand where the frustration comes from. I’m personally sick and tired of hearing apologies for the medieval mindset of some of the people over there.

    OTOH, I’ve spent time talking to shop keepers and people in cafes in Middle Eastern countries, (Egypt, Jordan, and too a lesser extent, Turkey) and found most of them to be intelligent, well-read, completely charming people. My experience was before 2001, but I have at least spent enough time over there to realize that Middle Easterners are no more monolithic than any other group defined by geography.

  28. Creech,

    Yeah, but not naked houri.

    Interesting how uptight they are in Indonesia. I found the Muslims in nearby Malaysia to be quite friendly and reasonable.

  29. What VM said.

    For the record, am I invoking Godwin’s law if I characterize a post about racial genocide as a call for the “final solution,” or is this just such an obvious parallel that it’s impossible not to make this leap?

  30. VM makes a good point-Muslim =/= Arabic. My comment failed to point out that distinction.

  31. Who the hell still uses magazines for porn? I’m shocked Playboy even has circulation. Last I heard, Penthouse was down to about 350,000, which terrible for porn.

    Hey, that’s about 300,000 more subscriptions than the Nation or National Review have.

    Kannabis-You’re advocacy of genocide is psychotic, but I understand where the frustration comes from. I’m personally sick and tired of hearing apologies for the medieval mindset of some of the people over there.

    GOSH. You Islamophobes just don’t GET IT. You didn’t come from their culture, so you can’t possibly understand why sexual repression, honor killings and chauvinism are OK over there. It’s their CULTURE. You can’t understand, so don’t be so JUDGMENTAL ‘n stuff.

  32. We can continue to fight these people for the next what, hundred, two hunderd, three hundred years, wasting huge amounts of time, money etc. Or just give them the ultimate ultimatum, either learn to play nice with the other kids in the sandbox, or get wiped out. The world is too small for people to just decide to Jihad everything they dont agree with, which to these people seems to be everything.

    Wow, most people usually take a while to make contradicting statements such as those above. This guy took care of it in the same paragraph.

    So, we should wipe out people that don’t agree with us, because they want to wipe out people that don’t agree with them? wtf!

  33. These people are angry at the west because of our freedoms. In a classic example of cognitive dissonance they condemn the thing they can’t have.

  34. By the way, Hit & Run has refused to post anything about Keith Richards snorting his dad’s ashes. So I’m going. . .well, I guess I have already mentioned it.

    Yeah, he says he was just kidding about the whole thing now, but I ain’t buying it. He did it. I hear he’s after some of Scotty’s ashes, now.

  35. ProL:

    of course it’s true. “Sigh” told me so. He’s very muscular, you know *bats eyes*

    He was telling me about the time when he and the “meletary lawyer” (sic) were rubbing korn syrup over each other’s ripped bods (they do tae bo, you know, so you know they’re bad!), and one’s, um, gun… yeah… gun went off because it got gently bumped.

    gently bumped
    again and again.
    faster and faster.
    and then roughly bumped, while “Sigh” kept yelling, “put a jihad on it! Show it cultural relativity! jihad jihad!”

    I don’t know what happened next. The red line closed its doors and went along from the Belmont stop…

  36. VM,

    Incidentally, Disney is not pleased with Richards’ remarks, whether or not they are true (which, of course, they are). I hear that executives at Disney want to exterminate the English people over this. Wow.

  37. Just remember: genocide is the most exhausting activity in the world. Except for soccer.

  38. Number 6 | April 5, 2007, 3:46pm | #
    Just remember: genocide is the most exhausting activity in the world. Except for soccer.

    And whacking off to free web p0rn…

  39. Are these the same guys who lust after the thought of deflowering 72 virgins in Paradise?

    Someone should tell these idiots that this IS paradise. Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth.

  40. For the record, am I invoking Godwin’s law if I characterize a post about racial genocide as a call for the “final solution,” or is this just such an obvious parallel that it’s impossible not to make this leap?

    Godwin’s Law doesn’t take into consideration whether or not you are justified in invoking the N-word.

  41. While I said Arab, I proly should have said Muslim, or maybe even fanatical Muslim…

    Jimmydageek, since we are at ‘war’ with this ideology we are pretty much killing ‘those that dont agree with us’ right? I mean, we can do it like I said, slowly over the course of the next few decades or tens of decades or just get it over with quickly right? We start in what Iraq/Afghanistan, move to Iran, next Syria, then maybe Saudi Arabia, then move on to the African nations over the course of god knows how long. I fail to see the contradiction when you think about it… this war we are waging is in the end a war on an ideology, an Ideology that has massive support within the Muslim culture as a whole.

    If the Muslim culture did not support it, you would find a great deal of ‘moderate’ Muslims crying out for an end to the jihads… however thats just not the case, case in point, any editorial page in a Muslim dominated cultures newspaper…

    So we wipe them out slowly, or we do it quickly, either way, it appears that thats the way its gonna be.

    Comparison to Hitler is a bit off base, the jews wernt exactly strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up German buses.. Jewish rabbis wernt exactly calling on all Jews to fight the infidels, Jews werent in Dufar burning down villages of Christians and killing them by the thousands weekly…

  42. Keith Richards! Snorted his dead father’s ashes! I will have a reaction to this!

  43. I’d say kanabiis is no longer in danger of being considered a “Islam appologist”.

  44. Pro Libertate,

    “Meh” is a valid reaction.

  45. de stijl,

    Then our enemies have already won. I bet they’re appalled. Probably melting down their Stones’ LPs as we type.

    Decadence!

  46. Pro L: I second the meh. I’ve put worse up my nose.

  47. My whole reaction to the Keith Richards thing was:
    “Wouldn’t it itch, it’s not like ashes dissolve into the bloodstream.”

    Yup, that’s it.

  48. WORSE? What could be worse? Your mother? Hitler?

    I know I’m the only non-drug (or corpse) user to ever read Reason, but this is unexpected, even to my Bambi-innocent eyes.

    You know, this would be a good Stephen King novel. Hmmm, bets on whether Dad takes over? Hope he can play guitar.

  49. “Keith Richards! Snorted his dead father’s ashes! I will have a reaction to this!”

    Just what is the ash composed of, anyways? I think the volatiles would be gone. You’d probably have calcium carbonate, ferrous oxide, and a few uncombusted carbon compounds. Depending on the presense of dental fillings, you might have mercury and antimony oxides, plus gold and silver.

    What else?

  50. These people are angry at the west because of our freedoms. In a classic example of cognitive dissonance they condemn the thing they can’t have.

    Of course, American anger over this might be a case of congative dissonance because we know that they’re probably right about the harmful effects of pornography.

  51. Aresen,

    A liberal helping of Dad!

  52. Re: Playboy’s circulation, I think they make most of their money off their brand and various media endeavors these days, and not off the magazine itself, which is mostly a promotional tool. I mean, I’ve heard of people getting the magazine for free for years. Not that I have any direct knowledge of that…..

  53. since we are at ‘war’ with this ideology we are pretty much killing ‘those that dont agree with us’ right?

    Speak for yourself. I’m not at war with their ideology. Their energy is fed by opposition. Best to avoid and ignore them.

    Why we such a hard time avoiding people who live on the other side of the planet vexes me. We have our own fundamentalists who insist on poking sticks in the hornet’s nest over and over again.

  54. Pointers to pro-Libertarian Muslims:

    The Minaret of Freedom.

    Reason interview with its founder.

    Calls for extermination of a people are worse than disgusting. Even if it were possible to kill everyone with a jihadist mindset who was likely to act on that impulse, how do you justify the collateral damage? Sick, sick, sick.

    Kevin

  55. We will attack the Playboy office and sweep up copies of the magazine, which will destroy the morals of Indonesian children.”

    Hey, genius, the offices where they do page design and layout, and the place where the printing press that runs the copies of it off are most likely two completely different locations.

    Jackass.

  56. kanabiis,

    You fail to realize that the only reason we are at war with them is because of our worldwide “interests”. If we didn’t have these “interests”, I am not so sure that we’d still be at war with them. It’s our world-domination mindset that fuels their hatred towards us. So, that goes back to me saying: “So, we should wipe out people that don’t agree with us, because they want to wipe out people that don’t agree with them? wtf!”

  57. Fan-freaking-tastic!
    One person makes an anti-Islam remark and all the commenters dogpile on him.
    There is a smile on my face and a proud little tear in my eye.

  58. At an undisclosed location in California, some Reason writers, editors, and select commenters are probably snorting Milton Friedman.

    I am appalled.

  59. Collateral damage? The way I see it, the sane ones have already moved out.. There are plenty of non radical Muslims in the UK, US, happy to embrace ‘western’ (read civilized) culture.

    And I would hardly compare the fundementalist christians in America with the fundementalist Muslims.. its not like baptists and catholics are shooting eachother in the streets on a daily basis… While the christian fundementalists maybe a crazy bunch, I really dont hear Rev. Falwell calling for jihad on the
    New Life Church because they observe Easter differently.

    Sunni/Shite violence however… well just look at Iraq.

  60. highnumber,

    I don’t know that it’s necessarily the anti-Islam facet of his comment that’s stirred up the interest as much as the genocide portion.

  61. pro lib,

    They are also snorting Noam Chomsky in Chicago (VM)…

  62. “well just look at Iraq.”

    um… yeah. between that and “Arabs”, methinks you trolling, just not in the fun way.

    your hatred and your lust for power have caused you to go down this path we can’t follow. You have done that yourself.

    Now tell grandma to let you out of the basement. Read Minaret.org, as Kevrob (and others) mentions whenever these posts come up.

    Okay? good.

  63. Chomsky I could see. His body is probably a hallucinogenic. Of course, the one difficulty in snorting Chomsky is that he’s STILL ALIVE!

    I feel like I’m in a room with zombies beating on the door. I’m like totally getting frozen now.

  64. Jimmydageek,

    The US has interests all over the world, sometimes things we do might not be popular with other countries, but civilized ( i use that term loosly) people air thier grievences in ways better then piloting 2 airplanes into skyscrapers.

    We have airbases in Italy, I’m sure some Italians might not be happy about that, but you dont see mass bombings of American soldiers in Italy do you?

    We have large interests in Hong Kong and Taiwan, its no secret that the Chinese are not happy about this, again, you dont see tons of Chinese people blowing up American business in Hong Kong do you?

    Anger over US interests is understandable, blowing up shit because your angry is not acceptable. My 3 year old gets angry at me sometimes and throws a tantrum and throws things, I let him know in no uncertain terms that that behaviour is unacceptable, in time he will learn how to let me know hes angry without acting like a spoiled brat…

    I dont think its unreasonalbe to ask grown adults for the same….

  65. snorting Noam Chomsky in Chicago (VM)…

    *looks up. puts down the leather-bound copy of “Heather Has Two Mommies” (the one with the sweaty pillow fight scene on page 69) . wha??? nothing to see here. GO AWAY! BATING!

  66. pro lib,

    who said chomsky had to be dead? all you need is a limb or two…

  67. I’d like to say that all this talk regarding what to do about problems with “muslims” and “arabs” reaffirms my belief that it isn’t possible to come to rational conclusions from reasoning based on any unit larger than the individual.

    Carry on.

  68. VM… While I dont think that going into Iraq was a good thing, we did and I cant change that, we overthrew the government and gave the people there a chance to start fresh… Instead of looking at this new found chance at doing something good for themselves, they have decided to run around blowing eachother up because of petty differences in thier religious beliefs, and I’m Trolling for pointing out the elephant in the room??

    WOW

  69. Aresen | April 5, 2007, 4:11pm | #
    Just what is the ash composed of, anyways? I think the volatiles would be gone. You’d probably have calcium carbonate, ferrous oxide, and a few uncombusted carbon compounds. Depending on the presense of dental fillings, you might have mercury and antimony oxides, plus gold and silver.

    What else?

    Rust in peace Keith Richards dad.

  70. no the flaming, dogmatic, narrow-minded racism disguised as “outrage” that clearly misses the point that there are other socio-economic and socio-political things afoot.

    That’s why.

  71. VM, go back to your business. I’ll handle this.

    Dude, he’s ‘bating!
    Leave’m ‘lone!

  72. Brianterrel,

    Wasnt the topic of the original post about how Muslim extremists want Playboy to die??

    Had this been a post about Phil Donahue and his raving lunatic rants, I probably would have offered a solution to the problem of christian fundementalists in America..

  73. k,
    Now that you’ve brought it up, let’s hear it.

  74. Highnumber,

    How about marginalize thier political power by imediately recinding thier status as a religous orginization the moment thier clergy lobbies for political gain.

    By biblical writings, a follower of christ is only limited in profession by 2 things, politician and police/military. Just about every major christian organization has a political arm now, In my opinion, that completely invalidates them as a church. Thats just for starters.

  75. I wonder if they airbrush the burqas to make them look sexier?

  76. How about marginalize thier political power by imediately recinding thier status as a religous orginization the moment thier clergy lobbies for political gain.

    You realize you are on a libertarian website, right. We don’t believe that religions need to be granted a special “religion status” by the state to be a religion.

  77. oops… first paragraph should be quoted

  78. Rex Rhino,

    Except for Scientology.

    ?

  79. If Reason had its way, every member of Islamic Defenders Front could immigrate here just as long as they made money for someone, and even without that condition.

  80. If a dude does a suicide bombing in drag, could he be mistaken for a virgin in the afterlife?

  81. Does that get an “Amen” or does that get an “Awomen“?

    You know, because they’re in drag and maybe you can’t tell if it’s a he or a she, and…

    I’ll shut up. You don’t have to tell me.

  82. Pro L: What’s so bad about that? It’s not like he burned someone else’s flag and snorted the ashes. Now that would be out of line.

  83. Mmmm, pop-snorting is bad, m’kay?

  84. I suggest a Janet Reno edition of Indonesian Playboy.

  85. Who’s that guy in the front leering at, anyway?

  86. Listen: I have *tiny* penis, and can’t begin to compete with what’s in Playboy. On top of which, I typically ejaculate in about 15 seconds.

    I want women kept in ignorance because I don’t want to have to measure up.

    I’m ready to kill to avoid shame.

  87. Colorless Green Ideas snort Chomsky’s living ashes furiously.

  88. “We have to go forth and crush every world view that doesn’t believe in tolerance and free speech.”

    – David Brin

  89. Conrad, the HK lawyer/blogger/ex-marine who vanished when his bosses caught him saying stuff he shouldn’t of, used to mention where the gals were best.

    According to him, Indonesia, while dangerous and backward post-Suharto, had the sauciest tarts of all.

  90. I’m done making excuses for these people, if really were the Roman empire we would have wiped these people out 5 years ago.

    I’d like to simply note that the Romans never defeated the German tribes or the various Persian dynasties despite vigorous efforts to do so.

    Quintili Vare, legiones redde!

  91. Grotius,

    “Defeated” may be the wrong word. “Eliminated” would be better. The Romans won plenty of victories against Germans and Parthians (later Persians), they just never got rid of them ? la Carthage.

  92. I think these guys just want some free subscriptions.

  93. Aya: so they can threaten to cancel them?

  94. Personally…I find those Muslim women incredibly SEXY..with just their beautiful eyes showing they ALL look sexy…Heck even Nancy Pelosi would have looked SEXY..IF she had only covered her face…I guess I’m just getting weird.

  95. I’d like to simply note that the Romans never defeated the German tribes or the various Persian dynasties despite vigorous efforts to do so.

    You might ask a Teutone or Cimbri about that, if you can find one.

  96. Do you think that if we renamed W Iranicus and gave him a triumph, he might bring the troops home?

    Kevin

  97. What’s scary is this sort of protest is starting to raise it’s ugly head here in the United States.

    Talked to a fellow Blog Talk Radio-er the other day, “Karen” of K’s Frame of Mind, and she told me that the Muslims in Cincinnati are still out there every week protesting the 24-Hour Fitness Clubs throughout southern Ohio for allowing Co-Ed Male/Female workouts.

    They are wanting the 24-Hour Fitness Centers to separate Males from Females in their facilities.

    Why aren’t we hearing about this in the libertarian media?

    We’re already starting to see what’s in store for the US with what’s happening in Western Europe: Paris banning nude or topless sunbathing, Gays being jeered by Muslim youth in the streets of Amsterdam, Prostitutes closing their window shops due to Muslim pressure.

    It’s coming here folks. And the Ohio stuff is just the beginning.

  98. kevrob,

    Make it Parthicus, and I’m with you.

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