Tonight on The Independents: No-Fly Takes a Walk, Border Kids Seek Lawyers, Cheney Goes Nukular, Rand Paul Re-Enfranchises Felons, Veterans Get Screwed, Gary Oldman Comes out...Plus Amity Shlaes on Obama’s FDR Impression, and Sultry After-Show

Dick. |||Tonight's episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, with re-airs three hours later) begins on a happy note: The U.S. District Court in Oregon has declared that the process for people to appeal their improper inclusion on the federal no-fly list is unconstitutional. On hand to react are Party Panelists Julie Roginsky of Fox News, and conservative commentator Kayleigh McEnany, who will also discuss a plan by House Democrats to provide free legal counsel to the abandoned immigrant children piling up on the southern border, and Dick Cheney's prediction in a radio interview today that the United States will be hit by a worse-than-9/11 terrorist attack within the next decade.

Dan Caldwell, the issue and legislative campaign manager of Concerned Veterans for America, will break down the latest grim V.A. report; Amity Shlaes will discuss the new graphic novelization of her 2007 F.D.R. bio The Forgotten Man (hopefully providing some Obama-administration comparisons); and the co-hosts will discuss actor Gary Oldman's politics-outing Playboy interview and also the new proposal from Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) to re-enfranchise some ex-felons.

Sexy aftershow begins on foxbusiness.com/independents a few beats after 10. Follow The Independents on Facebook at facebook.com/IndependentsFBN, follow on Twitter @ independentsFBN, tweet during the show & we’ll use the best of ‘em. Click on this page for more video of past segments.

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  • Fist of Etiquette||

    ...Dick Cheney's prediction in a radio interview today that the United States will be hit by a worse-than-9/11 terrorist attack within the next decade.

    Is he threatening us?

  • ||

    Hello.

    And I'm in a foul mood.

    Why, I'm angry enough to bite someone.

  • Sevo||

    "Why, I'm angry enough to bite someone."

    I understand soccer does that to ya.

  • Almanian!||

    You gonna get all Marv Albert on us.

    Sexy!

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Yes!

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Did you got the dentist and find out you need to have all your wisdom teeth pulled?

    And did you come home and find that your insurance only covers 60% and thus you can't afford it anyway?

    No?

    Then your mood can't be worse than mine.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I just let mine come in. It was cheaper to get them pulled that way.

  • Almanian!||

    My wisdom teeth were all in by 5th grade. I got them pulled in my 40's.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    My dentist was pretty adamant about them coming out because plaque buildup back there gave me several cavities and early stage periodontal disease.

    I suppose I can just keep going back for cleanings every 6 months.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Ask for chlorhexidine mouthwash, that will take care of the problem. If the dentist won't prescribe it, find a new dentist.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Writing that down. I'm getting a deep cleaning and fillings in two weeks.

  • PapayaSF||

    I swear by Listerine.

  • ||

    Hey dude, you could be like me and have your mom come tell you out of the blue on a Saturday morning when you're seventeen that you're getting all four wisdom teeth pulled in an hour, so go take a shower and get ready. Then she gave me one--one!--of the Percocets the doctor prescribed and that was it. She's not really into pain relief.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    As a protest, I wouldn't have taken a shower. I know how to upset my mother.

  • ||

    As a protest, I wouldn't have taken a shower. I know how to upset my mother.

    I tried that after I got home from having my appendix removed years earlier, and she forced me to shower even though it was astoundingly painful (no pain relief there either). You wouldn't know it from talking to her, but my mother is a total sadist.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Just you and your sister, right? Me and my brothers broke my mom down (and built her back up better than before). We can fart at Christmas dinner, and she won't even flinch.

  • ||

    Just you and your sister, right?

    Yeah. There's a reason we both got the fuck out of the house as soon as humanly possible. And now I just mostly ignore her and live 3000 miles away, which works.

  • Sevo||

    "She's not really into pain relief."

    In that case, kick her in the knee-cap; she might have new feelings about pain relief.

  • Bobarian||

    "She's not really into pain relief"

    She is really into Percocet...

    and a lot of other sick shit, though.

  • ||

    It's 10 years my dentist keeps telling me I have to take out my wisdom teeth for the same reason despite admitting they came in straight and pose no real damage. However, not too long ago I got an infection because of the plaque buildup and he pushed pulling them out again. I resisted again and since then I've been fine because I brush much more thoroughly back there now.

    I treat the request to remove them like I learned to smile whenever a mechanic tells me I need to do something or the wheels will fall off on the highway.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    See this comment:
    http://reason.com/blog/2014/06.....nt_4596079

    Also, a brand of dental rinse called "Cari-free" can prevent that.

  • ||

    Ha. Will go tomorrow and get me some of that hootch.

  • BigT||

    When I was a kid we went to a dentist who didn't use Novocaine and was too cheap to have an assistant so appointments took hours. And I had plenty of cavities. Child abuse.

  • Rich||

    Hmmm. Were his initials G.L. by any chance?

  • BigT||

    J.F.
    One day my brother and I were in the waiting room, waiting for another brother to suffer. We noticed that there was fresh cement in the walk outside, so we carved our initials in the concrete. The dentist found out and chewed us out. To this day (50 years later) we joke about him carving his initial in our teeth.

  • Almanian!||

    Ugh. I got "lucky" and got my wisdom teeth removed surgically when I had a implant to replace a tooth that had been pulled.

    All told, it all cost me about $2000 out of pocket.

    And then the implant failed about 8 years later.

    "Wow - that only happens in about...5% of cases...."

    "Yeah - I feel so much better..."

    Sorry :(

  • KalkiDas||

    Me too. I've been arguing with neocons. Just when I was just thinking I loathe progressives the most. Really, progressives and neocons are the same. They only differ in where and how their stupidity is applied.

  • Timon 19||

    "Chopper" Harris was not nearly as deserving of that nickname as is Suarez.

  • Sevo||

    Naah.
    He just took a look at the 'talent' in the security services and figured, well...

  • Almanian!||

    "It'll be 911 times a thousand!"

    "You mean..."

    "Yes. Nine hundred and eleven thousand...."

  • Agammamon||

    ...Dick Cheney's prediction in a radio interview today that the United States will be hit by a worse-than-9/11 terrorist attack within the next decade.

    Oh, most likely.

    And it will be by a leftists group pissed that either their handouts got cut or that the government didn't take enough from *other* groups to give them a larger handout.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    ...and the co-hosts will discuss actor Gary Oldman's politics-outing Playboy interview...

    Oh my. Are we gonna hear the seaward on Fox Biz?

  • Almanian!||

    Fuck you ALL. I LOVE Dick Cheney. He shot a fucking lawyer in the FACE and NOTHING ELSE HAPPENED!

    Motherfucker GOT AWAY WITH IT! Better than a fucking cop.

    Motherfucker is badass.

  • ||

    You forget that he made said lawyer apologize for getting in the way. I say that's bonus points.

  • ||

    Given the suspect officiating I'm seeing this World Cup, it may very well eclipse 2002 for 'Bull Shit' World Cup title. I really hope no more teams get hosed but I doubt it.

    Other than that, Germany should be pleased. Two teams they can't beat - Spain and Italy - are gone.

  • Hyperion||

    So, the question is, can they beat Estados Unidos on Quinta Feira?

    My South Korean friend is probably the only one in the office besides me on Thursday, and he's getting all excited about football. I was leaving today and he asked me if we can watch the game online. I was like 'Who's going to stop us?'.

  • ||

    I'm pulling for the USA but it's pretty clear some teams will have to fight the officials as well.

  • Sevo||

    Hyperion|6.24.14 @ 8:44PM|#
    "So, the question is, can they beat Estados Unidos on Quinta Feira?"

    Sure they can! They just have to wait until minute 64 and go ahead and score.

  • ||

    Of course they can beat the USA to answer your question. Beyond that, who knows? Really an open field. Not sold on Holland because they have a history of blazing starts only to fizzle but they look really good. Best of the bunch so far. Belgium, as I thought, are growing with each passing game. Argentina will have to pick up the pace. Other than that, open.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    and the co-hosts will discuss actor Gary Oldman's politics-outing Playboy interview

    Was he very disappointed in Hollywood?

  • Lady Bertrum||

    Gary reminding us why we love the police:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRBI1VSO7hc

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    I'm a fairly strong supports of immigration rights, but I have to say that should read 'tax payer funded' rather than 'free' legal services the Democrats wasn't to give those children.

    Because there is seemingly no issue where the Democrats do not eventually turn into an excuse to use more if other peoples money

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Good grief, writing with the smartphone instead of the laptop is for the birds, or at least those with more nimble fingers than I

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Are you a fatty?

  • Hyperion||

    I prefer a phone, tablet, or whatever, especially my desktop over laptops, I hate laptops.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I have a macbook air for living room couch browsing. It's light, and it keeps my balls warm.

  • Hyperion||

    Ugh, I'll stick to my 10" android tablet. I have a laptop, new, and I fucking hate it. Just like I have always hated all laptops.

  • Hyperion||

    Posting from my bad arse desktop right now, as usual.

  • KalkiDas||

    Theon wishes he had balls (and other parts) that could be warmed by a laptop.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Never been so characterized.

  • Agammamon||

    Don't wait for the translation, answer 'yes' or 'no'!

  • Sevo||

    Can't place the source, but it's familiar.

  • Hyperion||

    Good news, they don't need any money, only 42,000 pairs of underwear.

  • OneOut||

    You support immigration rights ?

    Legal or illegal ? Or both ?

    I find it hard to support something that should not exist, such as illegal immigration "rights".

  • Almanian!||

    I still like Gary Oldman best in "The Professional".

    Although he was mega-excellent in "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy" as well.

    And "Bram Stoker's Dracula". And "The Fifth Element".

    I like Gary Oldman best in whatever he's in that's on TV at the moment.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    He was a terrific George Smiley, really hope they adapt the other novels into movies.

    One of the most versatile actors ever, fun to watch dive into any role.

  • ||

    Oldman was pretty scary as that corrupt DEA agent in The Professional.

  • Agammamon||

    To be fair - *anyone* could be scary playing a guy who can drag you off the street in broad daylight, take you to a murder house across the border, and have you tortured to death, with complete impunity.

  • Bam!||

    Tom Hanks couldn't.

  • ||

    Or Keeanu Reeves.

    Or Gary Coleman.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Fuck you, Gary Coleman can do anything!

  • Bobarian||

    Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law FTW.

  • Bobarian||

    Fuck! Fail!

    Gary Cole.

  • Bam!||

    Though the movie itself was mediocre, he was excellent in "The Contender."

    "Leon" is my favorite of his films.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    What Keeps the Global Business Elite Up at Night?

    http://www.bloomberg.com/nativ.....e35cf436f#!/

    Climate change has replaced "asset price collapse" as their top concern. The debate is over except among the denialists.

  • Hyperion||

    Where's the emails?

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    What keeps you up at night?

  • PapayaSF||

    Whether Media Matters is going to screw him on their 25 cents per troll post deal.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    That, and his coke problem.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Why worry about asset prices when governments will bail you out?

  • Hyperion||

    Where's the emails? Jackass.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Ask Lois Lerner.

  • Hyperion||

    She's already been asked and unfortunately, she's a fucking moron, as apparently is everyone else who thinks that organizational emails are stored on a local HD.

    Where's the emails?, jackass.

    Fake scandal, jackass. Come on, defend it, jackass.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    SO the IRS is filled with bumbling bureaucrats. ARe you surprised?

  • Sevo||

    Palin's Buttplug|6.24.14 @ 9:09PM|#
    "ARe you surprised?"

    At your response? No; you are a slimy turd and respond in character.

  • Hyperion||

    Where's the emails?

  • Sevo||

    So you're one more lying asshole?

  • BigT||

    Climate change?? Hahahahaha!! The sun is going to put us through our paces regardless of what we do. We are entering a low sunspot cycle and it's gonna get colder the next 10-15 years. Even the Aussies, Germans, and Russkies have wised up.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    I didn't know that the global business elite included, "government, academia, NGOs, and 'international organizations'."

    You're really getting desperate.

  • ||

    Climate change keeps them up awake slobbering now that the Goracle has shown them how they can fleece the masses using that pretense.

    You are getting increasingly insane shreek. You need more coke to even out.

  • Irish||

    Stanford discovers that people who think they're ugly are twice as likely to support Occupy Wall Street.

    I love the biases of the researchers. They claim that this shows that pretty people 'think they're part of a privileged social class' and therefore are mean old meanies who hate equality.

    I think it's just that the kind of person who is constantly bitching about how ugly they are is exactly the kind of whiny loser Occupy Wall Street appeals to.

  • Hyperion||

    I'm sure that don't equally, if not more, apply to radical feminists. No way, it couldn't be true.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    You would be correct. I hereby confer you an honorary PhD in... um...

  • Bobarian||

    Doctor of Ugly?

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Perhaps they think there's a free food plank

  • ||

    Sports quote of the day I ripped off the ESPN comments thread: America runs on Duncan.

    Also. Love Riley's indirect lash out towards Lebron.

  • Irish||

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Wtf?

  • Irish||

    This actually occurred today and had to be parodied.

    The best part is how completely over this John Boehner seems in the original video. His complete lack of interest is the only thing I've ever respected Boehner for.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    That is so enlightening

  • ||

    THAT was

    PRICELESS.

    I mean, just for that I LOVE him.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    200 views? What's wrong with this world?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I like that that has no description.

  • Irish||

    It needs no description.

  • ||

    Speaking as a Canadian, I worry for America.

  • Hyperion||

    There's pretty much not anyone in that video that I don't want to punch on the mouth.

  • Warrren||

    ALOTBSOL

  • Sevo||

    The CA legislature finally told the SF commie that they won't vote for his "Anti-Going-Out-of-Business" law, no way, no how:

    "Sen. Mark Leno abandons bill to curb Ellis Act evictions"
    [...]
    "State Sen. Mark Leno said Tuesday he is abandoning a bill aimed at curbing the number of Ellis Act evictions in San Francisco after it faced a tough hurdle of passing two committees this week, including one that previously rejected the proposal."
    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/.....576480.php

    (Comments mostly sane)

  • PapayaSF||

    Ha, good.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

  • ||

    Here's a better choice, considering all the blabbing that will go on in the next hour.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    I guessed that would be Talk Talk, but Missing Persons fits too.

  • ||

    Yeah, I'm much more Missing Persons than Talk Talk.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Damn, I just followed that YouTube trail down the 1980s rabbit hole.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Prediction: Blue.

  • Warrren||

    They don't have to work blue.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    They got a Lola Falana quality.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    They know that summer is coming.

  • Bam!||

    How long does she last?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Welch was so close to finishing his point without interruption. So close.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Just try a solid shirt, Foster. Just try it once and see what you think.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I think the Mexicans can take some of the blame.

  • Bam!||

    "We don't have a lot of time for this topic." -- Understatement.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    It's been established that America is, like, at least ten percent better at parenting that most foreigners.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    This seems like one of the few instances where "Think of the children!" is relevant.

  • ||

    I was thinking the same thing.

  • ||

    Did anyone lose streaming?

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    No, I have normal TV.

  • ||

    La-dee-daw.

  • BigT||

    My streaming is working OK

  • NebulousFocus||

    Baqi is down for me...

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Nighty night you West Coast assholes. I get up at 4:15.

  • Warrren||

    GNSTDLTBBB

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    How about east coast assholes who get up before 5AM but can still some crazy how manage to keep our teeth out of the bedside water glass before 10PM.

  • Andrew S.||

    Check your "not waking up 3 times a night" privilege.

    (I'm the worst sleeper ever)

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Sigh. Go in for a sleep study.

  • Warrren||

    I did that, it was so boring I could barely stay awake.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    [Crickets]

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    See?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    They bought their tickets. They knew what they were getting into. I say, let `em crash.

  • Derpetologist||

    I know I am a late-comer to the wisdom teeth sub-thread, but here is my tale. Mine came out when I was 14. The knock-out drugs made me really relaxed and happy. My parents said they had never seen me in such a good mood. When I came home, I drank a strawberry milkshake and watched a couple of movies, including Deliverance. I threw up the shake about halfway through.

  • Warrren||

    Ned Beatty in his BVDs does have that effect on people.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Banana milkshake or GTFO.

  • ||

    The 'squeal like a pig' part can do that to you.

  • Warrren||

    Really?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    He's a homophobe.

  • ||

    What's a homo?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    A politically incorrect term for a gay. You racist.

  • ||

    Thanks.

    Fag.

  • Wasteland Wanderer||

    I also had all four of mine surgically removed at 14. All the painkillers wore off way too early about halfway through the 72 mile drive home (I lived in the middle of nowhere, while I was still somewhat disoriented by whatever it is they knocked me out with. That...sucked.

    Oh, and it turns out the hydrocodone they prescribed made me severely nauseous. The rest of that week sucked severely.

  • Hyperion||

    Kmele's got it spot on with this. Fuck lists.

  • Hyperion||

    Who's this weird looking chick with the glasses and big earrings?

  • Derpetologist||

    Today in derp- this one is a real humdinger. It includes the following gems:

    "You're interfering with our free speech by not letting us tear down your posters" (7:50 mark)

    "saying that emotional arguments are not valid, in and of themselves, is a sexist argument."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jz63_lGuSE

    Have I mentioned lately how thoroughly I despise leftists?

  • Warrren||

    Otherer!

  • Hyperion||

    Have I mentioned lately how thoroughly I despise leftists?

    If you haven't and need someone to say it for you, I volunteer.

  • JW||

    Is it possible for a leftist to not be a batshit, barking at the moon, fucking loon?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I'm already sick of this Reason Magazine commercial. Have Meredith put one together for you.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Kennedy finds once again the best segue to laugh through.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Bureaucracy is the hill you don't want to charge.

  • Hyperion||

    I want to charge that hill. Do you have some nukulars?

  • Hyperion||

    Well, these whistle blowers are a real problem, no? We got to makes them disappear.

  • Hyperion||

    Choices? Choices?! Aaaahhhhh! Choices is bad! BAD! Kochotopus!!!!!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    VA: Resistance is futile.

  • Derpetologist||

    On derpbook, some prog posted a stupid meme about Cheney. Apparently, being liberal means caring about what the vice president did 5 and a half years ago, but not giving a shit about what the current president is doing.

    I resisted the temptation to argue about it. Arguing with progs, at best, is like playing chess with a pigeon. At worst, it is like trying to sword fight a fart.

  • Hyperion||

    Weed hopper, have you not been shown the way, but you do not yet see?

  • JW||

    At worst, it is like trying to sword fight a fart.

    Nice.

  • GILMORE||

    The Independents Attire Review, 24 June 2014

    You Made Me Miss My Train!-Edition

    - Kennedy: Today we get a surprising new blouse: an orange & something-else print that has an entirely different effect depending on where the camera is. We like it, but confess the pattern at breast-line looks oddly like a Christmas Sweater. Or something from Charlie Brown's wardrobe. Kennedy's "tan" has subsided entirely in the presence of 'Kaylee Macaynee', a woman with the skin of Telly Savalas and a name like a rare African bird.

    - Matt: "The Pleasantville". Matt thinks Kennedy's shirt reveals a glitch in the Matrix. The utter absense of color manages to drain Matt's sorta-tan back to 'waxy-skinned'-normal. We think Matt would make an extremely attractive android.

    - Kmele: Shazam! We'd like to see a side-to-side of Kmele w/ Peter Suderman's Purple(Blue) similar getup last night, just so it would be more apparent how Kmele Does the Same Sorta Thing, But Better. That shirt is a perfect example of how I think the "neutral color" patterns work better than the multichromatic plaids. An example of Kmele at his best.

    Ahui Hou

  • Warrren||

    I want Kmele to start dressing like 80s Prince.

  • GILMORE||

    He doesn't have the hair for it.

    And he's too cuddly-bearish. He lacks the high-cheekbones, rat-like nervous-energy thing.

  • GILMORE||

    Now, I DO think he could do a great Mr T.

  • BigT||

    Kmele's a dead ringer for Dwayne Wade.

  • GILMORE||

    If Dwayne Wade was short. And looked like Kmele.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Plus unlike Dwayne Wade, Kmele is the best part of his team by a wide margin.

  • BigT||

    Explains your fashion reviews - you're blind.

  • GILMORE||

    Ableist!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Bball shorts, long sleeve tee, no shoes. Drinking chocolate milk, low-fat which I bought by accident.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Seaward. Called it.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Ha. Foster's Oldman is Commissioner Gordon only.

  • Hyperion||

    Gawd, I love you Matt, you fucking nerd, I really do.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I think Gary Oldman can play Matt Welch in the inevitable The Independents biopic.

    I don't think there is a Hollywood adage against going full fashion retard.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Nighty night you West Coast assholes. I get up at 4:15.

    Good night you assholes of Maine, you c*nts of New England.

  • GILMORE||

    Farewell and adieu to you fair Spanish ladies.

  • Hyperion||

    STFU about the World Cup conspiracies. There are none. Brazil is going to roll now, sorry Chile, you are about to be eliminated. Although, I love you guys, and I will trade my president for yours.

  • John||

    Chili is going to get rolled. That is the point of the conspiracy isn't it? To get the home team the cup?

  • Hyperion||

    You're joking, right?

  • John||

    That would be how it would work.

  • Hyperion||

    You drunk tonight, John?

  • John||

    You are drunk. You are trying to disprove the existence of a conspiracy by predicting the exact result a conspiracy would be expected to produce. You are not making your case very well

  • Hyperion||

    I'm drunk? Either you are not really John, or you are beyond drunk, amigo.

  • Ted S.||

    You are drunk.

    Lady Astor (I think), to Winston Churchill: You are drunk. You are very drunk.

    Churchill: You are ugly. You are very ugly. In the morning, I will be sober.

  • GILMORE||

    worst.Churchill.paraphrase.*EVER*

  • Sevo||

    But he had much to be humble about!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Uncomfortable.

  • Bam!||

    These people run the government.

  • Hyperion||

    The dumbest of the dumb and most corruptest of the corrupt. Doesn't that make you feel good?

  • John||

    If you only knew. It's worst than you think.

  • Hyperion||

    No, it's not worse than I think.

  • John||

    Bet it is. You just think you can conceive of how bad it is. You can't.

  • Hyperion||

    Yes, I can. What the fuck is up with you tonight?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    It's always worse than you think.

  • Rich||

    "It's later when you think."

  • GILMORE||

    Are these white people singing "we shall overcome"?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    HE WAS A COMMIE.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Grounds for recall. All of 'em.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I can't decide what's funnier: John Boehner not even hiding the fact that he doesn't give a shit or Mitch McConnel's look of "I really need to withdraw inside my shell".

  • GILMORE||

    I could only think, "where is a loose high-voltage cable when you need one?"

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Someone was dipping into his chemicals before the show.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    And elbow to the chiclets might not be out of line there.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    SOYLENT VERDE ES GENTE!!!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    You know who else got beat by the Americans?

  • Bam!||

    The British.

  • Pathogen||

    Indians?

  • Bam!||

    No homo.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Tasty traps.

  • Derpetologist||

    Speaking of singing politicians, does anyone else remember Congress singing God Bless America on the Capitol Steps after 9/11? I remember being so disgusted at how they were milking the nation's grief.

    A little later, my school participated in a mass, nationwide recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance. I stood, but did not recite.

  • Ted S.||

    Oh dear, I remember that too.

    I remember being cajoled into signing the school's condolence card for the bitch teacher who died in the Challenger explosion. The school, as far as I know, never sent condolence cards to the six non-teachers who died.

  • Hyperion||

    As much as I am starting to like soccer, I really wish the whining would start. So, STFU, Kennedy, there's a start.

  • Ted S.||

    Oh, Cesare Prandelli was whining that the refs deliberately get the stars get away with more.

  • ||

    Meh.

    Happens in all sports where the starts get protection.

    Especially basketball.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Why doesn't this Reason Magazine commercial highlight Friday Funnies as a major selling point? Meaning the print edition doesn't include Friday Funnies.

  • Derpetologist||

    Weapons-grade derp from Melissa Harris Perry:

    "Don’t demand that those you are supporting produce proof of the inequality they are working to resist."

    http://feministing.com/2013/04.....agoodally/

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Is that one of those linguistic anomalies where the sentence is grammatically correct but is utterly meaningless?

    Like Chomsky's Colorless green ideas sleep furiously?

  • GILMORE||

    No, it means something = its just that the something happens to be *awful*. Its basically saying,

    "we have a huge constituency of human Grief-Trolls desperately pretending to be 'victims' of something = NEVER EVER QUESTION THE VALIDITY OF A PERSONS FANTASY MONSTERS"

    Specifically, she's trying to make sure that no one get "my victimhood is more victim than your victimhood" so that they can maintain the Mass Mind of Collective Victimization necessary to make their ProgDreams come true.

  • Derpetologist||

    No, it is merely an unintentional revelation of derp.

    "Don't demand proof of my claim if you want to support it."

    Wah?

  • ||

    I'd fuck her.

  • Derpetologist||

    You realize this comment refers to Melissa Harris Perry, correct?

  • ||

    Yes.

  • Pathogen||

    Not angry.. just.. disappointed.

  • ||

    Oh come now. She's not fuckable?

  • Irish||

    Imagine hearing this:

    'Oh Roothhhus J. Firethly. Give it two me. Yeah, wight there.' Followed by a lecture on Sylvia Plath's 'Daddy.'

  • Irish||

    Actually, that's not fair. Daddy is too good a poem for Perry to have a high opinion of it.

    She'd probably just lecture you on some poem she heard at a feminist slam poetry convention the weekend before.

  • OneOut||

    The chick in the red wife beater has huge arms and small tits.

    Not my favorite combination.

    Is there a point to this show ?

  • Bam!||

    "Is there a point to this show ?" -- To generate ad revenue.

  • Sevo||

    I hope.

  • Derpetologist||

    "is there a point to this show?"

    bathos

  • GILMORE||

    You turn the sound off and play Dark Side of the Moon.

    Its nuts, man.

  • Hyperion||

    Mine either, but she's pretty good looking.

  • ||

    Let me repeat.

    I'd bone her.

  • OneOut||

    Even with your own bone ?

    Not me. I;m married to a woman with small arms and big tits.

    The way women are supposed to be.

    Just joking. I'm sure she is cool in real life and were I single (and drinking) I would also.

  • ||

    What's marriage got to do with it?

    /smirks.

  • Hyperion||

    Hmmm, what is this? Commiefornia? Eugenics? Hmm, proggies ....

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Spoiler alert! Welch just told us out of the blue what's going to happen on Friday's episode.

  • Bam!||

    I think Dick Cheney is a delusional fanatic and has been for many, many years.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    If ISIS wanted to sit around all day going nowhere they'd be a teacher.

  • Hyperion||

    Damn, Kmele, that was great!

  • GILMORE||

    Guys, when TEAM-RED Barbie says dumb shit, let her finish, then slowly speak in full sentences why she's wrong. The talking over each other shit is headache-inducing, and no one can follow WTF anyone is actually saying. Barroom arguments are more coherent.

  • Hyperion||

    True, but Kmele still finished her off nicely, after she was otherwise getting murderlized anyway.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    My 1 year old nephew tends to stand very close to the screen during some of the segments.

    I worry this is a sign of the autism.

  • GILMORE||

    You could just be partially autistic.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Did she draw all the pictures or is she a fraud?

  • ||

    Who is worse?

    Harry Reid.

    Dick Cheney.

    Mr. Burns.

  • Hyperion||

    Is that the worst you can come up with?

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Algore.

  • ||

    Hey.

    I'm still angry.

    Forgive me.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Yes.

  • OneOut||

    This is easy.

    Burns is a fictional character.

    So, it's a tie.

  • Hyperion||

    So, is this chick in the yellow dress, a robot? Is she like the first fembot? Hmmm, I could have done better, I wonder if they are hiring?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Where did this Uncle Tom work as a journalist? Faux News?

  • Hyperion||

    Must have been. Aren't they the only lying media that hires that sort?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    OMG, look at that toe fungus. Amputate.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    I try to tune in halfway and the stream won't come through. Do you know how frustrating that is at my age?

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Oh, *now* the stream starts!

  • Sevo||

    There's a med for that, according to ads on the golf channel.

  • OneOut||

    lo fucking l

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Geez. At least call it Takin' It to the Matt.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Welch's Gripe Juice.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    THAT WAS MINE. Except it was Gripe Jam, which makes more sense because jam has a double meaning.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    I discovered it independently, I'm Newton to your Leibnitz.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Bologna. Everyone reads my comments and retains the information contained therein. I'm very popular.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Yeah, but...wait, what did you just say?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    That's another thing. I'm great at setting up jokes for others to bring home (as long as they're not complete morons).

  • GILMORE||

    Welch's Trademark Infringement Segment?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Matt Welch would allow Willie Horton into the voting booth with Kitty Dukakis.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    They charge extra to give a Kitty Dukakis in a voting booth, I would imagine.

  • Warrren||

    [cue porn music]

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    AH! Lou Dobbs.

  • Hyperion||

    DERBZ!

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Did I miss anything good?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I'm not going to lie to you, this aftershow better be sexy.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I have a question for the aftershow: Could Ron Paul microwave a burrito so hot that even He couldn't eat it?

  • BigT||

    Afterbirth has crashed.

  • Hyperion||

    Good grief, it's Lurch.

  • GILMORE||

    Ah, the 1980s

    I had a t-shirt with an F-111 and the caption, "Khaddafi Killer"

    We killed his children. The 1980s were *classy*

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    I had one with an F-111 and a mushroom cloud behind it that said Miller Time!

  • GILMORE||

    All those 1980s t shirts used the same colors and print-transfer process, such that when they aged? they all pretty much looked like Metallica or Harley Davidson shirts

    like so =

    http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/.....E9Hfww.jpg

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I have a question for the aftershow: My shampoo had an expiration date of nine months ago. What happens if I keep using it? (It's Prell, if that makes a difference.)

  • Bam!||

    Shampoo can expire? Really?

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    It affects your brain and turns you into a Democrat.

  • NebulousFocus||

    This concerns you? Do you think it will suddenly make your hair fall out? Most likely: they want to encourage people to buy more shampoo.

  • Sevo||

    ALL ONE! ALL ONE!

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Umm...Best. Soap. Ever.

  • Sevo||

    And reading material while you're on the throne!

  • GILMORE||

    Rub some on your balls. If it burns, let it sit another 6 months, then try it again.

  • Bam!||

    I totally believe Kennedy could grow a beard.

  • GILMORE||

    Matt makes everyone feel like they're at a junior high sleepover.

    "Favorite Zepplin album"?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    This show sucks the sweat off a dead man's balls.

  • GILMORE||

    I think FdA locked up the "Cliche insults" on 2minH8 with the 'fuck like dead people' thing.

    and there's the cutoff...

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Ha. McGovern.

  • GILMORE||

    FBN decided this after-show has descended into hopeless-"remember when!?" and is going to just pull the plug mid-sentence on someone.

  • GILMORE||

    Kaylee officially was like, "uhm, I'm not Old?"

  • Bam!||

    Murphy Brown's fake Kennedy. Only clip I could find.

  • RAHeinlein||

    Obviously, REASON has lost it - move to Transom for some rational articles and thought.

  • GILMORE||

    Transom???!? Those greasers!?!

    You come around this neighborhood, we'll show you who's got the 'rational' something, in your FACE!

  • Heroic Mulatto||

  • GILMORE||

    Is it the articles they like .... or the THOUGHT!?

    Because what the internet really needs? IS MOAR POLITICAL BLOGS BY DC INSIDERZ?!

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    The Independents showed some promise in the earlier seasons, but now it's grown tiresome...what season is it now?

  • GILMORE||

    Summer

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Whatever, the show has the life cycle of a fruit fly, it reached senescence rapidly.

  • ||

    Keep watching. I read the books and Kennedy gets her head chopped off and Matt leaves on his own and sails to Bravos where he is trained as an assassin.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    ...and Kmele Foster grows a moustache, trains it carefully, and pits it against Bolton's moustache in a climactic battle?

  • GILMORE||

    **SPOILERS

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    I didn't reveal the part where the climactic battle turns out to be all a dream.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    It's actually a foreshadowing.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    The Ayn Randian abomination that is the illegal parking app plaguing San Francisco

    t’s called MonkeyParking, and it lets people auction off their parking spots to the highest bidder before they pull out and go on their way. As if it weren’t enough that middle-class San Franciscans are getting squeezed out of their housing, now they get to worry about some tech tycoon outbidding them for their parking spot. These are public, metered parking spaces, mind you, paid for by taxpayers.

    [...]

    I know this is Silicon Valley, where words have no meaning, but it takes a special brand of Ayn Rand–spouting nincompoop to try to pass off the unilateral privatization and scalping of public services as a new form of “sharing.”

    Its defenders in the venture-capital community, meanwhile, have lauded it as an ingenious, market-based solution to the pressing societal problem of rich people having to wait in line for a parking spot like everybody else.

    He then goes on to cheer the brave San Francisco DA that is threatening to sue the app unless it stops.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    What a whiny piece of shit.

    Seriously. What a whiny piece of shit.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Some good comments that point out how the app is simply the market responding to San Francisco's inefficient allocation of parking spaces.

    And then some pretty choice derp:

    SirMIPSALot 5 hours ago
    "Sharing economy"... I threw up a little in my mouth, sorry.

    khalleron 5 hours ago
    @SirMIPSALot Notice how righties have a habit of labeling things as the EXACT opposite of what they really are? No Child Left Behind (because we leave ALL of them behind!) and the Patriot Act (because stepping on liberties is patriotic!)

    nomoreno 4 hours ago
    People who think the market solves all problems, always conveniently ignore all the problems the market causes.



    This would cause a shortage of parking, as folks would delay or sit on spots until they get the highest bid instead of coming and going as their personal business dictates.



    It also makes a mockery of the public square, one of the hallmarks of a civilized society.

    Didn't public squares exist for the historical purpose of gathering people around to watch executions or public punishments?

  • Irish||

    @SirMIPSALot Notice how righties have a habit of labeling things as the EXACT opposite of what they really are? No Child Left Behind (because we leave ALL of them behind!) and the Patriot Act (because stepping on liberties is patriotic!)

    Yeah, I hate those fucking right wing scumbags like Ted Kennedy.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    The fucking Patriot Act was proposed by Tom Daschle based off of earlier legislation penned by Orrin Hatch, Patrick Leahy, and Arlen Specter.

  • Irish||

  • Irish||

    This would cause a shortage of parking, as folks would delay or sit on spots until they get the highest bid instead of coming and going as their personal business dictates.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, 'I'll just be late for my appointment or not go to work today because I think I can get an extra $2.00 for this parking space.'

  • Sevo||

    "This would cause a shortage of parking, as folks would delay or sit on spots until they get the highest bid instead of coming and going as their personal business dictates."

    SF gov't has removed thousands of parking spaces to replace them with bicycle lanes and 'mini-parks', not to mention what seems to have been a short-lived zoning restriction on providing parking with new residential construction, since that would 'discourage reliance on the automobile'. Right.
    And now they are gonna gripe that their wholly-invented shortage has found a market?
    Now after all that, WIH does the taxpayer provide storage space for privately owned automobiles on the street? Do people buy, oh, pianos that are too large for they place they live and thereby decide to leave them on the street?
    I'm not suggesting you must own parking to own a car, but I'm suggesting if you don't, you pay for the privilege of storing it on the street.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    The imbeciles don't even understand the business model. MonkeyParking isn't buying a parking space, it's paying for the service of someone leaving at a certain time. Of course, Proglodytes masturbate to the thought of regulating and restricting a particular individual's freedom of movement, but it's not illegal yet. A fact that Dennis Herrera will ignore as catamite for the corrupt political machine that is his master.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Didn't public squares exist for the historical purpose of gathering people around to watch executions or public punishments?

    No. Public squares, or the agora, have been found in virtually every city since the urbanization of humans, as they are an expression of the naturalness of individuals engaging in economic exchange for mutual benefit. It is only after fucking authoritarians who deny humanity establish their rule by slaughter and mayhem does an outdoor urban marketplace, once filled with human activity, called Red Square become a dead, depressing, empty space only used for staging vainglorious military parades.

  • ||

    The old Slate would have run a contrarian article about the benefits of the app, encouraging readers to question their pre-conceived notions. Now I have to dive into the comments for that.

    Heh.

  • ||

    Trying to figure out how Ayn Rand got involved here since we're talking about scalping a public good.

    If I recall correctly, she had one of her characters throw another down a flight of stairs for offering him a government loan.

    Ayn Rand was a crazy lady with a lot of bizarre stuff in her books, but let's not exaggerate her beliefs when we don't need to.

    And that's from a paying user.
  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Study suggests people who enjoy casual sex also enjoy high self-esteem; Slate Double X says problematic!

    But whose boats are being floated here, exactly? Vrangalova told Pacific Standard that people who rate high on the sociosexual scale are generally “extroverted” and “impulsive” men who are more likely to be attractive, “physically strong,” and “more sexist, manipulative, coercive and narcissistic” than their peers. The people on college campuses who are the most likely to engage in casual sex—and to reap its benefits—are also dudes who are high in social status and low in character. For college students like them, ‘‘not all casual sex is bad.’’ But is that actually good news for anyone else?

    It may be that attractive, manipulative, narcissistic, and sexist men are simply naturally inclined to enjoy no-strings-attached sex. Or it might be that only these men have acquired the status necessary to not suffer any social consequences for doing so. Pacific Standard’s takeaway from the study is “Casual Sex Is Actually Excellent for You, If You Love Casual Sex,”...But before we all cheer for these results, maybe we should look at who on campus really gets to love casual sex, and who’s still left out of the party.

    Solution: single-payer bang-buddies.

  • GILMORE||

    Can we play a game where no one links to Salon or Slate to funnel people to retarded prog-clickbait, for like a whole week?...

    i want to live a world with less retarded in it.

  • Warrren||

    I'm with you!

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    I don't get why people do this to themselves? Slate? MSNBC? Why? Isn't there enough to be outraged about without seeking it out?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    It's called gathering intel. It's for stronger stomachs than mine, but I'm glad the Moff and company are out there doing the dirty work.

  • ||

    Well, many men pay to be abused by dominatrixes (dominatrices?). So...

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I find enjoyment mocking them, and, as HM points out, it is useful to try and understand what they are buzzing about.

    In my personal life I don't debate that much, but I really wish I had found Reason a few years back when I was in a couple of poli-sci classes taught by a bona fide Marxist and a very progressive feminist.

  • Warrren||

    Jesus.

  • ||

    Meh. I'm not going to bother clicking, but I would suspect that more of the effect goes in the direction Slate speculates (high self esteem helps or inclines one to get more casual sex) than what they allege* The Pacific Standard speculates (that having casual sex boosts self esteem).

    *knowing Slate, and Double X in particular, it wouldn't be surprising if they mischaracterized it.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    "Meriam Ibrahim, the Christian mother who had been sentenced to death in Sudan by Islamic authorities, has been re-released, according to reports on Tuesday late afternoon. Ibrahim was originally sentenced to death and ordered to be lashed for allegedly converting from Islam to Christianity, however, she was set free from prison on Monday when an appeals court overturned the original conviction. The joy of her release was short-lived, however, as she and her Christian husband were detained at an airport in Sudan less than 24 hours following her release. But another update on Tuesday has confirmed that Ibrahim has once again been released by Sudanese authorities."

    http://www.christianpost.com/n.....fe-122161/

  • Warrren||

    It's like a Rom-Com as written by Hitler.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Meriam Yehya Ibrahim, her name is just the Arabicized form of Mary Jane Abraham.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    As an apology for the Slate links, here, have some Kaley Cuoco

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Who the fuck do think we are, sarcasmic? If I wanted to be guilted into contributing to OxFam's famine relief fund, I would visit their site.

  • ||

    Hips too wide, boobs too big, hair too blonde.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    'After the Casper Smart transsexual controversy, he started to get freaked out and paranoid she would say something, and called her six times in one day to plead with her not to spill.'

    Y'all owe Tiger an apology.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    nice

  • Heroic Mulatto||

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Your challenge is to write crossover fanfiction combining Ally McBeal and the Monkees. The story should use bondage as a plot device!

    I must admit, I am kind of intrigued by this one.

  • Bam!||

    Your challenge is to write crossover fanfiction combining Lizzie McGuire and The Bible. The story should use magic as a plot device!

    That's doable.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    So's this:

    Your challenge is to write crossover fanfiction combining Teletubbies and Indiana Jones. The story should use murder as a plot device!

  • Bam!||

    This could be epic:

    Your challenge is to write crossover fanfiction combining Dilbert and James Bond. The story should use body switching as a plot device!

  • Sevo||

    BTW, re: the SF parking app, the simple answer is that the gov't really doesn't like competition, since the private folks usually do it better:

    "Update: SFpark entering evaluation phase. Changes to data feed, mobile apps, and web map effective starting December 30th. All other parts of the pilot, including demand-responsive rate adjustments, will continue as usual. The SFpark pilot evaluation and next steps will be released in Spring/Summer 2014."
    (you might notice they're a bit late)
    http://sfpark.org/

  • Irish||

    That fake Salon twitter account really is genius.

    Salon.com
    ‏@Salondotcom
    How the Koch Brothers deceived the world into believing in a "Holodomor"
    Salon.com @Salondotcom · 3h
    Seven misconceptions about Stalin’s land reform
    Salon.com @Salondotcom · 3h
    "We need to elect a white man king and push gay people off cliffs": Patton Oswalt's disgusting pillow talk
  • ||

    Salon.com ‏@Salondotcom 19m

    Why homophobes are becoming more racist

    lulz

  • Irish||

    I love the people who don't realize this is fake:

    J Eddie ‏@JimEddieHunt 9m
    @Salondotcom Well, what the hell are you guys? Panderers for Profit comes to mind. You guys are actually forming homophobes and racists.

    You'd think the fact that this account has 600 followers would clue him in to the fact it's not the real Salon.

  • Warrren||

    A proggie's primary weapon is to not notice things.

  • Pathogen||

    Ignorance is bliss..

  • Bobarian||

    "600 followers"

    Too many?

  • MJGreen||

    How the Tea Party liars are evading blame for lost IRS emails

    I love this account.

  • Irish||

    Porn star arrested for orgy with 14, 13, and 12 year old.

    “God knows im humble. I'm loving and caring fun leads to trouble just live and learn,” wrote Byndloss, who also declared, “I love my career i hope this doesn't interfere with my dreams but only time will tell. #blessup for me peeps much love!!!!!!!”

    'I hope my pedophile orgy doesn't mess up my career lol!'

  • Warrren||

    God's purpose for her is "object lesson".

  • Gene||

    “How does it feel knowing you will spend a long time in jail, and will be labeled a sex offender. Feeling suicidal, hopefully?”

    Ouch, a tad harsh that one.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Think I'll give FX's new series 'Tyrant' a look. Only because one review I read criticized at as being almost like a Middle Eastern version of 'Dynasty'.

    Which sounds like a selling point, really.

  • Warrren||

    I hope one of the characters made his money with dairy products and is known as the Milk Sheik.

  • Pathogen||

    Yeah, his madrasa would bring all the boys to the yard...

  • Warrren||

    ...and only the boys.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    On Facebook, the Conservative Daily page (which has over 5 million subscribers) actually posted a link to a story involving a SWAT team literally blowing a hole in a child's chest during a no-knock, middle of the night drug raid.

    While the comments feature a lot of cop worshiping, I am encouraged that conservative media outlets are starting to move a bit on the drug and police militarization issue.

  • Irish||

    I'm discouraged by the fact that leftists have begun cop-fellating in reaction to conservatives moving in a rational direction.

    The number of 'WHY DON'T POLICE OFFICERS SUPPORT GUN CONTROL TO PROTECT THE NOBLE MEN OF THE LAW!' articles I've seen on the left lately have been sickening.

    As conservatives become more libertarian, we really are ending up with a situation where we've got people in this country in favor of freedom, and flat out, unquestioned fascists on the other side.

    The left in this country is going to be a totalitarian movement in pretty short order.

  • Warrren||

    They always have been. Alinsky made that clear. They will do or say anything to gain power for their own benefit.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I think I can break it down into 3 types of progressives:

    1. Benign believers: they genuinely believe in both civil liberties, nonviolence, and the usual economic nonsense. But they are principled enough to be disgusted with Obama and Clinton. These are the ones that would probably peel away from an increasingly authoritarian left.

    2. Useful idiots: the largest group, they're the trained seals you see at Raw Story or Salon. Too stupid to really understand the implications of progressive ideology, let alone have a fair understanding of conservatism or libertarianism, they wear their progressive ideology as a fashion statement of their tolerance, intellect, and modernity. And that's really all they care about, feeling superior to the Bible-thumping bitter clingers in flyover country.

    3. Stalinists: thankfully small, but these are the ones that would happily build the Gulags and bring back firing squads for the purpose of establishing absolute power to reshape the world

  • Warrren||

    I think the number of people in group one is even smaller than the number in group three.

  • Pathogen||

    For two out of three of those groups, a significant body count is their ultimate end-game. The exact make up that count is the bone of contention..

  • Raven Nation||

    Subgroup of #2: academics who are really dedicated to the cause, really smart, but would not be on board with #3.

  • Agammamon||

    And would plenty of time to regret their support on the train ride to the camps.

  • Warrren||

    That poll from the other day that had trust in the police at only 53% shows that is happening as there is no way to get that low without at least losing some support from conservatives.

  • Irish||

    I think many conservatives have actually become pretty ambivalent towards cops. The mainstream Republicans are the real cop worshipers on the right.

  • Warrren||

    I think this will start showing up in jury selection and conviction rates.

  • Pathogen||

    Accepting the cops word as gospel is becoming less a civic duty, and forgone conclusion in court these days.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I noted in the comments of that Facebook post that the majority of vehement cop defenders were conservative women.

    A lot of them were like "How dare you bash our brave boys in blue? My husband has been a cop for 25 years..."

  • Dances-with-Trolls||

    Or dad was a cop, or the brother is, etc. Seems especially prevalent among women to do the reflexive defense in my experience. Myself, I have two cops in my family and I won't say so much as hello to the fuckers.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Good Country Index attempts to rank which countries contribute the most overall good to the world; Ireland came in first

    How does the Index work?
    There are 125 country balance sheets graded across seven categories, including things like science and technology, world order, prosperity and equality and health and wellbeing. Each of those seven has got five datasets in them. Take for example world order. That includes five data sets representing things like how much each country gives in charity and overseas development, its population growth, and its status of ratification and signatories of UN treaties.

  • Irish||

    its status of ratification and signatories of UN treaties.

    So ratifying any UN treaty is treated as an unquestioned good?

    Countries still behave as if they weren’t connected; they still measure their performance entirely inwards. My argument is that we can’t just blame governments for this, it’s the fault of populations who don’t demand anything different of them. They say they want three percent growth or they’ll vote for someone else. We have to start asking where that growth comes from. We are screwing poorer countries to buy products more cheaply, we are raping the environment to produce more energy to drive our industry faster. Countries perform better and better but the world and planet and humanity in general are getting worse and worse. The whole system starts to look like a rapidly growing tumor. It has an illusion of health because of its growth but it’s almost as big as the host body.

    Well someone's a moron.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Countries perform better and better but the world and planet and humanity in general are getting worse and worse

    Wow. You hear that, millions of brown and black people that are alive and not starving? Globalization has made you worse off by poisoning your soul!

  • Pathogen||

    No more medicines or pesticides for those fuckers in Africa, my our Earth just cant take it.. They'll thank us later, when the Earth is 'better'.

  • PapayaSF||

    This is a prime example of how a TED talk can be terrible. It's glib and counterintuitive and superficially convincing to many, but it's just bright people deceiving themselves.

  • Sevo||

    "equality and health and wellbeing."

    Wanna bet someone has a thumb on the scale?

  • Warrren||

    Why would Sig design the P232 without a slide stop? Weird.

  • Pathogen||

    They didn't want to 'other' lefties..

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Ah shit, Eli Wallach has died

    RIP Tuco.

  • Warrren||

    That leaves the Good.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    That guy? He's just a dirty son of a bitch!

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

  • RishJoMo||

    Sounds like a very cool plan to me man, Wow.

    www.WentAnon.tk

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