Tonight on The Independents: Judge Napolitano, Rep. Thomas Massie, Shikha Dalmia, TV’s Andy Levy, and the Return of Two Minutes Hate!

Rocky Massie high! |||Wednesday night episodes of The Independents, as a perusal through the Reason archives will attest, tend to be chock full of libertarian red meat. Tonight is no different.

Batting leadoff, playing natural-rights field (ducks), is Fox News Senior Judicial Analyst and Reason.com columnist Andrew Napolitano, who will talk about 1) CVS’ decision to stop selling cigarettes, and whether that’s an example of a private business living life by its own lights, or an example of a lobbying heavyweight working the borderline between P.R. and corporatism; 2) the move by Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) to make Attorney General Eric Holder disclose the administration’s legal rationales for Barack Obama’s once and future executive orders; and 3) an outrageous Circuit Court decision allowing the city of Orlando to eminent domain a church (!) and give it to a Major League Soccer franchise (!!!!).

In the two-hole come TV’s Andy Levy of Red Eye fame plus “Conservative Black ChickCrystal Wright, who will discuss the latest developments and pharmacological hysteria over the heroin overdose of Philip Seymour Hoffman, and also the news that New York Mayor Bill de Blasio is creating new school days off in honor of Muslim and Asian holidays. The third hitter, fittingly, is Liberty Movement superstar Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Kentucky), who will talk about 1) the latest Edward Snowden/Glenn Greenwald nonsense emanating from House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers (R-Wisc.); 2) the latest promising developments in the fight to roll back mandatory minimums for drug sentencing; 3) whether he’s ready to go full legalization; and 4) his weird & wonderful off-the-grid farm. (Speaking of the latter, that’s the theme of Friday’s show, which will discuss Bitcoin, preppers, sovereign cities, and all kinds of wonderful don’t-track-me-bro arcana.)

Beloved Reason Foundation Senior Analyst Shikha Dalmia comes on to talk about the latest in immigration-reform politics, and whether Roger L. Simon’s modest proposal to withhold voting privileges for amnestied illegal immigrants is a clever way to depoliticize the issue. There will also be discussion of the latest awful farm bill, the latest idiot e-cigarette ban, the proposed upcoming boxing match between George Zimmerman and the rapper DMX, and the school that wants to ban the advertisement for banning guns at school because it shows a gun, at school.

And to put a cherry on that sundae, there will be a second installment of Two Minutes Hate, a reading of your worst viewer mail. Send your tweeted appreciations out to @IndependentsFBN!

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  • Fist of Etiquette||

    OMG there was almost not a The Independents post!

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    INDEPENDENTS ASSEMBLE!

    Killin me Welch.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    I need to watch that movie again.

  • Matt Welch||

    Dude, got it with four minutes to spare!

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    I'm a minute late with the call to arms. It wasn't up at 8:49:50.

  • BigT||

    Our tailgating before the Big Game is the best part!

  • Ted S.||

    When are you going to have Warty on as a guest?

  • ||

    What I miss?

    /zips pants.

  • kibby||

    Thank Jupiter...finally an excuse to get away from this neuroscience presentation!

  • Killaz||

    'America, the Beautiful', even more obnoxious than you suspected.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/c.....-socialist

  • Killaz||

    Oops, left out the quotes:

    Bates penned the poem "America the Beautiful" in 1893 after visiting Pikes Peak in Colorado, from which she saw the Rocky Mountains in one direction and the Great Plains in the other. When she returned to her hotel room, she wrote a letter to friends, observing that "countries such as England failed because, while they may have been 'great,'" they had not been "good." She declared, "Unless we are willing to crown our greatness with goodness, and our bounty with brotherhood, our beloved America may go the same way." She revised the poem several times. The most famous version appeared in her collection America the Beautiful, and Other Poems (1912).
  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    The worse part about these stupid controversies is that it reinforces the proggies smug sense of superiority.

    There is plenty wrong with multiculturalism but bitching about a Coke ad is why some conservatives really do earn the stupid label.

  • Killaz||

    The ad was part of a larger theme of vulgar nationalism at the core of the Super Bowl spectacle. They are okay with advancing the worst part of the American psyche if it is used to advance their agenda.

    Also, the lyrics of the song are among the worst ever written. And I've read Alice Walker's poems on masturbation.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    And to put a cherry on that sundae, there will be a second installment of Two Minutes Hate, a reading of your worst viewer mail.

    Way to bury the lede, Welch.

  • Matt Welch||

    It's in the headline, yo!

  • kibby||

    You're giving them too much credit.

  • ||

    Well, we can't give them too little credit, so...

  • kibby||

    You were definitely included in that "them", by the by.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Batting leadoff? Let's have some hockey analogies. Or metaphors. Or, well, not allusions but something. It's hockey season. Although I guess there's not really anything comparable there. Taking the opening face-off? Maybe. What were we talking about?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Pitchers and catchers report in 6 days! Spring training is almost here!

  • SweatingGin||

    !!! THIS^^^^

  • Raven Nation||

    How about "the opening batsman is Judge Napolitano"?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Get. Out.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    What the fuck are those?

  • Bam!||

    Upside ice cream cone earrings.

  • ||

    Peacock feather earrings? They're new! Go Kennedy! The more garish the better!

  • ||

    Oh man I wish I was watching. I want peacock feather earrings!!!

  • ||

    Maybe you could find Fox News Business if you weren't so stoned.

  • ||

    It's Fox Business Network. So which one of us is stoned now?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Guys, guys no need to argue. You're both stoned right now.

  • Raven Nation||

    Fine, fine, you're both stoned.

  • ||

    Uh...both of us? But you're more stoned!

  • ||

    You don't know that!

  • ||

    It's a safe bet knowing you.

  • Raven Nation||

    Fuck, I need to get stoned. Or un-stoned. Whatever.

  • BigT||

    It's the 24/7 wedding planning.

  • SweatingGin||

    Needs more dreamcatchers. More garish the better.

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    Long danglers on Kennedy tonight

  • SweatingGin||

    Two minutes hate scares the shit out of me.

  • Ted S.||

    But does it scare the gin out of you?

  • Wasteland Wanderer||

    His shit is 20 proof.

  • SweatingGin||

    Close enough.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    And to put a cherry on that sundae, there will be a second installment of Two Minutes Hate...

    Crap. I don't think I brought any hate yesterday.

  • ||

    Herp durr? Ok, that's not quite right...

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Spring, is 4 months away.

  • SweatingGin||

    Grand Moff Serious Man|2.5.14 @ 9:00PM|#|–|filternamelinkcustom

    Pitchers and catchers report in 6 days! Spring training is almost here!

    Spring training is is 6 days. Fuck winter.

  • The Bearded Hobbit||

    Starting the seasons on the solar peaks is dumb. Is the day before the Summer Solstice any less of summer than the day after? No.

    What makes sense is the system that was worked out originally. Seasons start on the cross-quarter days. Spring started three days ago.

    ... Hobbit

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Has the Judge been sick? He looks different.

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    Thought the same thing. He looks like he's losing weight.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    I still say this guy is Napolitano's little brother.

  • ||

    Maybe it's CVS' way of sticking it to the government? Naahhhh...

  • Lady Bertrum||

    Welch's jacket is either suede or the matted fur of a diseased, dead dog.

  • kibby||

    I can't unsee that now, thanks.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    More like who shot the couch?

  • Ted S.||

    I shot the sofa,
    But I did not shoot the ottoman.

  • SForza||

    I shot Omar Sharif.

  • GILMORE||

    Matt is once again testing the outer limits of what constitutes 'Wrong' in Men's Attire.

    Kemele is banging it. Donegal wool? I approve. plus the matching kerchief and tie is always a win whenever it looks that *natural*. he's winning without trying.

  • kibby||

    I'm not so sure about your hair right now, Matt.

  • ||

    You're losing the crowd Welch! Independent harder!

  • Matt Welch||

    You and me both!

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    What if The Judge asked "What if?"?

  • Calidissident||

    OT: This is the first I've heard of this case, but unless this article is leaving out some very pertinent details, this sounds extremely sketchy.

    http://rollingout.com/criminal.....overdosed/

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Ha, I would love to see NYC go after CVS on this.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Okay, the Judge needs to start smoking in this segment. Kennedy also needs to light up using one of those Cruella de Ville cigarette holders.

  • ||

    They need Cruella de Ville e-cigs. They'd be genius.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    And they need to sell them in the Disney Store and at Disney resorts throughout the world.

  • SweatingGin||

    Worth it just for the pants-shitting rage from the left. Just like CVS probably took their losses from not selling tobacco out of the marketing budget, put the marketing budget for the independents to them smoking on the air. Salon, Slate, and MSNBC will give you a week of free publicity.

  • BigT||

    CVS can do what they want. We can take our condom business elsewhere!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    "Bush didn't even do it" is the litmus test.

  • kibby||

    I love how fanboy everybody gets when the Judge is on.

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    DONT TALK ILL OF THE JUDGE

  • kibby||

    I WOULD NEVER!! It's fantastic how adored he is by smart people!

  • SweatingGin||

    I must admit, I am quite impresses seeing him speak. I didn't watch his show when it was on, and I tend to skim his articles. He's a good speaker, though.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    He used to shout the Constitution at us on his show, but here he's being subdued. Another reason I think something is up with him.

  • ||

    Yeah, it's Obama's year of talking about action. Because that's what he does.

  • Lady Bertrum||

    Is Kmele growing a vagina on his face or is that an attempt at a beard?

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    Harsh!

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Your comments are surprisingly catty tonight. More so than usual at least.

  • Lady Bertrum||

    Meow.

    I want make the next Two Minute Hate, but I can't think of anything substantive to say. I'm reaching back to my mean girl days.

  • SweatingGin||

    Earring comments seem to hit home.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    That market is saturated.

  • ||

    Vicious. I like it.

  • kibby||

    Well he's not signing off on those Kmele action figures NOW.

  • Bobarian||

    'Action' figures? Mean like 'real dolls', don't ya?

  • Killaz||

    Wow. Maybe he'll smudge his cleft together and let them touch it to see if it feels like a real one.

  • GILMORE||

    THAT SHOULD EARN YOU HATE POINTS

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Uh, Obama is a constitutional scholar, Judge. I think he knows better than you.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    It's hard to fathom that Weiner sat in that very chair.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    The Judge just looked right into the camera and into the souls of the millions thousands of people watching.

  • BigT||

    The Judge just looked right into the camera and into the souls of the millions thousands dozens of people watching

  • ||

    The color of Kennedy's dress says she's a Seahawks fan, I don't care what she says.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    The Dish feed is choppy here. Either audio is cutting out or every other word the Judge was saying was an f-bomb.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    It was the latter. He just completely lost it.

  • SweatingGin||

    That's exactly what it was. Fuck this, Fuck that. Fuck Fuckity Fuck Fuck.

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    My feed is great. Awful resolution but no chop.

    Feed 2 is where it's at.

  • ||

    Whoa, graphic teddy bear commercial. I'm shocked! What kind of family program is this?!?

  • SweatingGin||

    In standard definition, too.

  • ||

    Mine is HD, because I am better than you.

  • SweatingGin||

    The feed was HD, but the bars were like 30% of the screen.

  • ||

    Streaming wouldn't load through all of first segment. RAGE. Now it's working though.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Can't you just go to your local bar (gay or otherwise) and have them put it on?

    Do your part to get The Independents out there to all the drunken reprobates of America.

  • ||

    I wonder how the random townies would feel if I had my favorite bartender put it on at the local divey-tiki bar.

    I haven't been to the local gay bar since they renovated it, so I don't know if they have a TV.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I think Kmele would be very appealing to the audience in a gay bar. And regardless of which one you go to, make sure to teach them drinking games.

    We can think of something about Kennedy's earrings or if Kemle will be wearing a bowtie and quoting Hayek.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Soccer...the downfall of the Republic.

    The Europification of Merica.

  • Timon 19||

    You realize soccer started in this country at about the same time as baseball, right?

  • ||

    MOTORHEAD YEAH

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    FUCK YEAH!

  • SweatingGin||

    I was about to post that, and deleted it.

  • Lady Bertrum||

    TV'S ANDY LEVY.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    HOLY HELL PHILIP SEYMOUR HOFFMAN IS DEAD?

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    When you're not first, your last (to know) Fist.

  • SForza||

    Know, your lassed two no!

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Did you hear PSH is dead?

  • ||

    At first I read that as "Phish" and got my hopes up.

  • Killaz||

    I could have gone another decade without thinking of them if not for that post.

  • ||

    Holy shit, Crystal Wright is black?!?

  • Killaz||

    I wont watch until 11 if Conan sucks. Is she also hot?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    "This drug war is totally lost."

    Get a load of drug Walter Cronkite over here.

  • BigT||

    It takes a village to do Hoffman's heroin!!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I don't think Hoffman wasn't hiding his addiction.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Take one of those negatives out. Your pick.

  • kibby||

    I put four more in -- you can't tell me what to do, mister man!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Then you've done what I wanted you to do. DANCE ON MY STRINGS, PUPPET.

  • ||

    Kennedy, how dare you imply I can't be a functional alcoholic!

  • SweatingGin||

    I put the fun in functional

  • Bobarian||

    I question whether you're a functional human being

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    What is her fucking point?

  • Bam!||

    She said upfront: To be mean.

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    Apparently that people knew he did drugs? That's all I got out of it.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Today in Time Aaron Sorkin wrote a brief eulogy for PSH where he said that they were both addicts and that during the filming of 'Charlie Wilson's War' they had mini-AA sessions together to stay strong.

  • Ted S.||

    Why am I laughing at this? And I'm not even drunk.

  • ||

    Welch, you put your kid in public school?!? YOU MONSTER.

  • Bam!||

    It's practically child abuse.

  • SweatingGin||

    Dead to me.

  • SweatingGin||

    (I am also a monster)

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    It almost enough to sour the occasions when he'll Tweet an adorable story about the darnedest thing his kid said.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Welch: WHY WON'T THE CITY BABYSIT MY KID TODAY?

  • kibby||

    Public school, Matt? Really??

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    You ever find your car Matt?

  • Matt Welch||

    Cops told me Sunday that oh yeah, they noticed it in the Holland Tunnel on Jan. 18 going to Jersey. So, no.

  • Bobarian||

    Sounds like you get your kids to move the car when they're not in school

  • BigT||

    George Cloony enjoys a good tipple. Shocking.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Levy: It's a Jewish snow day!

  • Derpetologist||

    OT: Nye says the US can't be a leader in science if kids don't learn about evolution. I say knowledge of evolution is irrelevant to most jobs to most jobs in science, engineering, and medicine. In fact, emphasis on evolution might be discouraging otherwise talented creationists from pursuing careers in those fields. You don't need to understand evolution to design a circuit, prove a theorem, or do heart surgery. Knowledge of evolution is really only essential for life sciences.

    It's an important concept, but it's not more important than the many others. I think it's far more important to be skeptical and have a firm grasp of logic than to have knowledge of any given set of facts.

    /devil's advocate

  • Killaz||

    You show more respect for Nye's authoritah than I ever would and I'm on his side of that debate. Ignore him, it's safe.

  • Derpetologist||

    Nye really took a beating on Stossel's global warming special the other day:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTmoG0FcSKY

  • amelia||

    That was awesome. Bill Nye..."but, 7 billion people...7 billion..."

    Funny thing I've noticed since we got these huge winter storms - global warming die-hards depicting skeptics as drooling mouthbreathers for pointing to the storms as evidence against global warming. The morons don't even know that climate does not equal weather, they say. But not so long ago the warmists were freaking out over every extreme weather event. Apparently they've been spreading the word in the wake of the "polar vortex," and now realize they must not equate climate and weather.

  • Derpetologist||

    The human race survived 2 rounds of climate change with Stone Age technology. Cockroaches survived dozens of rounds with no technology.

    I think we'll be fine.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    The morons don't even know that climate does not equal weather, they say. But not so long ago the warmists were freaking out over every extreme weather event.

    I've a friend who thinks that this follows suit. The other day when we were in single digits (a pretty rare occurence in central KY) he looked at me and said "Climate Change is real."

    I would have laughed at him, but he's the kind of guy you can't talk to.

  • amelia||

    "Climate Change is real."

    So I've heard! Those exact words, spoken in solemn tones, as if they're all we need to hear on the subject.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    spoken in solemn tones, as if they're all we need to hear on the subject.

    Yep.

  • Whahappan?||

    What those morons don't get is that we're just mocking them for claiming every hurricane or heat wave as evidence of "climate change." They really are dumber than they think the skeptics are.

  • BigT||

    Evolution encompasses many concepts and logical progressions that are useful in other fields. Deductive logic, thorough observation, recognition of false data (Piltdown Man) etc.

  • Sevo||

    "Evolution encompasses many concepts and logical progressions that are useful in other fields. Deductive logic, thorough observation, recognition of false data (Piltdown Man) etc."

    True, but many concepts in science do those as well.
    To be honest, the biggest issue I can see is whether you wish to be taken seriously.
    Pretty doubtful you'd get hired for any sort of tech occupation if you're a creationist; you might just as well pitch a flat earth.

  • Derpetologist||

    But isn't possible for a creationist to be a good programmer? My buddy at work is an experienced electrical engineer and a creationist. Of course, the probably goes over easier here in Texas.

  • Sevo||

    Derpetologist|2.5.14 @ 9:44PM|#
    "But isn't possible for a creationist to be a good programmer?"

    No doubt. My point is as you hint at re: Texas.
    In most places, you'll have to be VERY good to overcome the rolled-eyes.

  • PapayaSF||

    Plus, the whole chaos + rules = complexity thing.

  • Killaz||

    I mean the evolution part, not the advocacy part. Systemic education should be discouraged. The species will only advance if the majority of us are autodidacts, and teachers are sent to the wall.

  • Derpetologist||

    People must teach themselves, but a good teacher can push the process along.

  • Killaz||

    Okay, maybe Year Zero solutions are not entirely necessary. But surely, schools of education undermine learning with their crackpot theories, so bomb them?

  • Derpetologist||

    Ed majors are by and large useless. I enjoy pointing out that teachers tend to have the lowest SAT scores of all college grads.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/he.....ege-major/

  • Bobarian||

    When you can't do, teach?

  • Derpetologist||

    It's bizarre that the people with the worst understanding of the subject end up teaching it.

    I gave a college admission essay to my English teacher to edit. What came back was an absolute masterpiece of gibberish. I was shocked that a someone who spent years studying English could write something so bad. I really wish I had kept that paper.

    The best I can describe it is it was like a blind-idiot translation from Japanese.

  • Snark Plissken||

    Lucid writing has to driven by clear thinking, which is driven by logic, knowledge, mental discipline, etc.

  • Bobarian||

    I didn't understand that...

    just saying.

  • Snark Plissken||

    Bloody liberal arts major.

  • BigT||

    Snow days - time for a coke break!!

  • Killaz||

    In a blizzard do dealers ride around on snow mobiles making home deliveries? We don't get enough snow most years to justify anyone owning one.

  • SweatingGin||

    In Kalkaska, MI, although that's more Meth country.

  • Killaz||

    I was thinking while watching last night's show with Shapiro where he was talking about Hollywood polluting America with its decadence how little the man knows about his country. How many meth labs are in Hollywood, Shap? I've been to parties where the entire trailer park got involved that put anything from a movie production or what I experience in South Beach to shame. If anything Hollywood needs to catch up.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Shave your face and put on a tie. I'm not buying a hotel room from you.

  • Bam!||

    I don't think I want to buy a hotel room from a guy in a opened collar shirt, tight jeans, and a scrappy almost-beard.

  • ||

    Trendy? Tell that to 90% of the media.

  • Bam!||

    That's a libertarian haircut if I've ever seen one.

  • Bobarian||

    Libertarian Hair club for men?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Is Thomas Massie trying to imitate Rand Paul with the hair?

  • ||

    I think Massie handed me three tacos at Taco del Mar earlier.

  • GILMORE||

    That's not a 'congressman', that's a dressed up 12yr old

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Welch keeps saying "swayed" because he wants people to notice his suede jacket.

  • GILMORE||

    ITS NOT SUEDE. FAKE.

  • kibby||

    SUBTLE.

  • GILMORE||

    No one throws Jell-O at a wall.

  • ||

    I beg to differ. At Johns Hopkins it was a sport in the Terror Room (the dining hall).

  • Bobarian||

    You nail jello to the wall.

  • GILMORE||

    EXACTLY = the pre-teen pretending to be in congress was funging-up his colloquial expressions.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Because we have no principles and only care about getting reelected.

    Pigs all! (almost all)

  • GILMORE||

    HOLD ON WHAT THE HELL IS THAT THING ON KMELES LAPEL?

  • Bam!||

    Burn!!!

  • ||

    Why is Massie reminding me of Gumby?

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    "Nobodies watching" ZINGGGG

  • BakedPenguin||

    SNAP!

  • Raven Nation||

    "Nobodies watching" or "Nobody's watching"?

    /grammar pedant

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    I like nobodies

  • Killaz||

    Different meanings. 'A bunch of nobodies watch this' or 'it isn't being watched by anyone.' Take your pick.

  • Bobarian||

    So, nobodies.

  • kibby||

    At least thirteen people are watching, guys. Don't be sad.

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    Me too!!

  • kibby||

    Okay, thirteen & a half.

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    Half of me is polishing my monocle.

  • BiMonSciFiCon||

    Burn

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Nobody's watching? He just made Two Minute Hate.

  • BiMonSciFiCon||

    Also I am (mostly) not a nobody.

  • SweatingGin||

    Massie: "yea, but nobodies watching"

    Well, make sure you put Massie in there for the hate mail.

  • GILMORE||

    jesus, do we have to transition from serious stuff to DOPE all the time? people are just going to be all like, 'libertarians = Republican Stoners'...booooo

    OH HE SAID NO ONE'S WATCHING! BURN...

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Preppers and off the grid aren't synonymous.

  • BigT||

    Hemp is legal. HEMP (stock) has soared the past few days. It has gone up 30-fold in the past 60 days.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I think Massie's Gulch qualifies to have the label "compound" attached to it.

    But he's just to nonthreatening to have it be called a "lair".

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    Does he import fuel oil for a generator? Because his solar panels definitely aren't giving him enough juice to live "off the grid".

  • GILMORE||

    Ooooh, now we're all crazy stoner preppers.

  • BiMonSciFiCon||

    I'll tell you what I don't hate- Kennedy's earrings.

  • BigT||

    Sassy Massie kicked some ass-ee!

  • Matt Welch||

    I know this will sound like special pleading, but I really think he meant it sarcastically, as in OF COURSE he's ready to say he's pro-legalization (which he obviously is) because NO ONE IS WATCHING. In other words, because it's on TV, he wouldn't go near that statement.

  • ||

    Stop making excuses for the teenager, Matt. He needs to grow up and own his own comments.

  • BigT||

    Probably right. In his heart you know he inhales!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Zimmerman might want to hire a PR firm.

  • SweatingGin||

    Or fire the one he did. And go disappear somewhere quiet. Jebus.

  • amelia||

    I'm pretty appalled that he appears to believe he's a celebrity. Well know, for sure, but celebrated?

  • Bam!||

    I'm rooting for Zimmerman now.

  • ||

    Celebrity boxing: the ne plus ultra of true entertainment.

  • Bobarian||

    But not as good as celebrity death-match.

  • Bam!||

    I applaud Kennedy's Florida commentary.

  • ||

    Kennedy: always there to put the tasteless cherry on the terrible sunday.

  • BigT||

    Epi: keenly interested in Kennedy's tasteless cherry.

  • ||

    So?

  • GILMORE||

    Do we really need to make Race Wars a pay-per-view event?

  • Killaz||

    War without profit is just a waste of time.

  • SweatingGin||

    Welch: "Party of Science"

    ++

    I take back every terrible thing I've said about your ties.

  • Bobarian||

    Because they're jerks.

  • ||

    Maybe Shaun was worried he'd mess up his hair.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Putin will do it.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    What is that sellout wearing?

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Fucking wild thing.

  • ||

    Kennedy: jingoist extraordinaire.

  • BigT||

    Chuck Schumer - got 1600 on his SATs. Obviously, raw intelligence and common sense are not correlated.

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    GO CANADA

  • Ted S.||

    Yes, please, go Canada. Please go away. :-p

  • ||

    Just for you Ted. Speak any Cimbrian?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcKZbaujbnc

  • GILMORE||

    For the love of disco, matt, who the hell let you rock that collar with a *tie*? That needs a pimp hat and a cane.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    At one point it was okay to bring a gun to school. My old man did it all the time in hunting season.

  • The Bearded Hobbit||

    I did it in the late 60's.

    ... Hobbit

  • SweatingGin||

    GUN STICKERS!

    And soon pictures of Poptart stickers!

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    Oh that Matt Welch, such a jokester.

  • ||

    Oh look, Matt thinks he's Fonzie now. He's horning in on Gillespie's territory.

  • SweatingGin||

    Perfect opportunity for Matt Welch to post a link to the compilation of the Warty Hugeman saga/SugarFree's blog.

  • ||

    He doesn't have the guts. (sneers)

  • Bam!||

  • Matrix||

    I'm sure there were mass murders in schools all the time then, weren't there?

  • GILMORE||

    Sean White = wears a jacket and tie with more aplomb than Welch

  • BigT||

    No cowboys, no Indians, no pirates.... no cops, no soldiers!!

  • Bam!||

    I don't want my computer repaired by a gun who looks like a cliche mob loan shark.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    "We're here from the cliche mob. We're going to knock you into next week."

  • GILMORE||

    Oh, check it out, Common Sense before he lost his sense. When rap was good (sheds tear)

  • GILMORE||

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    What song was that?

    By the way, check out the rap group Pro Era. I'm not into rap too much but I like these guys.

  • GILMORE||

    see link

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    Saw that after I posted. Thank you sir.

  • GILMORE||

    I'll just post Good Rap Songs until the show is over

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzyaaMUCpWs

  • GILMORE||

    If you don't own this record you are in trouble

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwSkV8zRYh8

  • GILMORE||

    when you could be weird in rap... I miss that too... although KK lives.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfg4DaDsp4I

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

  • GILMORE||

    look, Atlanta when they were trying to do the Native Tounges style thing... and Black Skateboarders before it was cool!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwGbi_y0xu0

  • GILMORE||

    not bad, pretty laid back. from where? sounds like Pharcyde maybe missing how distinctive the voices were with them. Also, sleepier beats

    What I like about Rap =

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD8hhNtxPgs

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    I believe they are all from Brooklyn. The biggest guy in the group is Joey Badass. His first album is good stuff.

  • GILMORE||

    Last of the evening...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yaNOZXZ9S4

    I really need to start DJing again, if you cant tell.

  • SweatingGin||

    What's that you said? More Motorhead?

  • GILMORE||

    Everyone knows Hawkwind is better than motorhead

  • GILMORE||

    And they said the '90s sucked.

  • SweatingGin||

    So, this is the second installment of two minute hate, right?

    IIRC, it was Epi: 2. "Dry Gin Wet Farts" (probably Mary): 1
    Twitter: a few.

    Does that seem right for the score?

  • Bam!||

    They also used my communist killing comment, though didn't properly accredit me.

  • ||

    I hate the two minutes hate. It's not hateful enough.

  • BigT||

    The real question is how to keep it to two minutes.

  • GILMORE||

    Let the hate flow through you

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Welch is unarmed. Strike him down. Give into your snark for your hate has made you powerful.

  • Matt Welch||

    You are correct, sir.

  • SweatingGin||

    Nice to see score is being kept.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    WILL SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT ONE PARTY ALL THE LATINOS ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    The downside to these taped shows are no Kennedy gaffes and off-prompter moments. Particularly the ones that happen coming back from break.

  • BigT||

    Yeah, I miss her boogers.

  • ||

    We all, do, Big. We all do.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    Not me. ebay.

  • Lady Bertrum||

    Ohhhhh, no. Just no.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Are you itchin' to sink your claws into Shikha?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Taxation without representation is a good point about the hold on voting rights. Had not considered that.

  • Bam!||

    Kids can be taxed but can't vote.

  • Sevo||

    Kids are considered represented by their parents.

  • Bam!||

    Emancipated minors are taxed but can't vote.

  • Wasteland Wanderer||

    Also, residents of Washington DC are taxed but don't have any representation in congress.

  • ||

    The border can be sealed like McCain can seal his Depends. You can try, but there's going to be lots of leakage.

  • kibby||

    Well I guess I'm dong eating dinner. Thanks lots.

  • kibby||

    UGH DONE. STUPID HANDS.

  • SweatingGin||

    vietnamese for dinner, eh? was it tasty?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    That makes me think of this

  • kibby||

    Man, I need to watch that movie again sometime soon.

  • GILMORE||

    I played in an '80s "live karaoke" band very briefly.

    It was called 'Sexy American Girlfriend'. They still play I think.

    I have to say, the name was inspired.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    There have been some epic Freudian typos today.

  • ||

    It was perfect the first time.

  • kibby||

    Shut up I hate you so much.

  • ||

    MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

  • kibby||

    I have hated you since before my birth, so this mission has been accomplished for some time now.

  • ||

    That's a long time. Have you considered primal scream therapy? John Lennon did it!

  • kibby||

    Do I look like a filthy hippie to you?

  • ||

    This is a trick question, I can tell.

  • kibby||

    I can't understand how -- who would ever want to be identified as a hippie?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Not with that attitude you can't guarantee securing the border.

  • SweatingGin||

    I never expected Shikha to have such a strong accent.

    She gives a very strong interview, especially with Kennedy playing devil's advocate.

  • SweatingGin||

    ^^ That's a complement, Welch.

  • BigT||

    Felons don't vote, but are taxed. Sometimes you forfeit your privileges when you break the law.

  • Agammamon||

    Rights, they're rights.

  • GILMORE||

    Citizenship is an attitude, a state of mind, an emotional conviction that the whole is greater than the part...and that the part should be humbly proud to sacrifice itself that the whole may live

  • SweatingGin||

    Jebus, Kenny is just baiting us, and Welch is trolling the thread for hate.

    It's a TRAP!

  • ||

    Not if Han can get the shield generator down!

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Lock S-foils into attack position.

  • BigT||

    Oh no! They killed Kenny!

  • SweatingGin||

    I blame autocorrect, I did not mean to say Kenny. Kennedy, of course.

    After typing that, I'm 90% certain it was my muscles that typed Kenny, not autocorrect.

  • SweatingGin||

    I blame autocorrect, I did not mean to say Kenny. Kennedy, of course.

    After typing that, I'm 90% certain it was my muscles that typed Kenny, not autocorrect.

  • ||

    OK, I'll take Bowie for a bumper.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    There's a party in my panel and everyone's coming.

  • kibby||

    A panel party?

  • SweatingGin||

    Rick from Pawn Stars: "Buy my razor!"

    Okay, I heard how much it's worth. I'll give you a buck.

    "You just said it was worth 20 bucks!"

    At an auction, maybe. I'm offering you a buck now.

  • SweatingGin||

    Tim Carney's article on the farm bill from today is well worth reading.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Welch went all out on that exposition. Almost like he had too much sugar in him.

  • BigT||

    Farm bill is entitlements?? Maybe they should re-name it the Plantation Bill !!

  • ||

    IT WAS SESAME STREET. ELECTRIC COMPANY HAD EASY READER.

  • SweatingGin||

    This used to be a helluva good country.

    Please explain further. Was Peter Fonda or Jack Nicholson on the Electric Company and I didn't know?

    'splain please.

  • ||

    Morgan Freeman.

  • The Bearded Hobbit||

    +1 Easy Ride

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Which side of the Christmas War is Levy on?

  • ||

    The Hanukkah side?

  • kibby||

    The misanthropic one?

  • Lady Bertrum||

    "Let's put some pork in the belly of my state."

    Oh, yeah baby.

  • SweatingGin||

    "Where is the love mail?" I love Kennedy's earrings. I really do.

  • Bam!||

    I loved her unscripted insensitive laughing yesterday.

  • SweatingGin||

    me too. Really. Not room 101 love.

  • Lady Bertrum||

    The best kind of laughing is the insensitive kind.

  • ||

    It's in the love shack. Just follow the sound of Fred Schneider.

  • ||

    Bernie? NERD ALERT

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    And... I'm out before LOU is in.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    He has no way of knowing because HR doesn't watch the show.

  • Matrix||

    NYPD cop breaks 10 y/o boys leg and sexually assaults his mother

    Might induce rage. Will repost in MLs tomorrow for more rage.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    You buried the lede!

    The youth was recording him with his cell phone. That apparently set the officer off, resulting in the assault.

    I know that's what I do when someone records me, break his legs and then flick his mother's nipples.

  • BigT||

    GILMORE!!!

  • GILMORE||

    let me guess = I hated on matts' fashion? Shit I've been doing that *for years*. when all he had was two ties. and it was a problem if it happened to be raining.

  • ||

    It was your pancreatic cancer comment from another night. Admittedly a good one.

  • GILMORE||

    ahh. OK, that makes sense. I suppose good hate has to truly be sincere and a direct response to WTF we're watching. Like that gnome they had on who pretended to be a congressperson and told Matt no one is watching his stupid show and laughed in his face.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    She counted to one on her hand.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    "I'm counting to 1 right now"

  • Marc F Cheney||

    I think Kennedy is kind of attractive. THERE I SAID IT.

  • ||

    OH SNAP BERNIE

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    He's the ass man.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Score.

  • SweatingGin||

    Congrats!

  • Scott S.||

    I LOLed when I saw the name.

  • SweatingGin||

    ONE OF US! ONE OF US!

  • Matt Welch||

    The greatest thing is that I have zero input in this (and also we don't know what's going to be read until Bernie Maxsmith lays it on us). So the citation is 100% earned.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    He cut part of it out.

    The parenthetical was:

    (Put that in your two minutes of hate Welch!)

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    You mean all we have to do is ask?

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Apparently.

    Didn't figure they'd have the balls to put the word fuck on teh teevee.

    Would have played better if they put the whole thing in.

  • Bobarian||

    This show was better than watching FdA fuck.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    I don't fuck. Been married for 20 years.

  • BiMonSciFiCon||

    I love that the 2 minutes of hate is half HnR'ers making jokes.

  • ||

    I STILL HOLD THE LEAD BITCHES

  • kibby||

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  • Bam!||

    Kennedy sounds a bit codependent.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    *golf clap for FdA*

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    AH! Lou Dobbs.

  • BigT||

    Francisco for the win!!

  • ||

    AIGGHH LOU DOBBS

  • BiMonSciFiCon||

    I love everything about the Independents.

  • Trials and Trippelations||

    I really think Reason commenters should be guest on the show.

    The hate was great.

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    The show would experience unexpected *technical difficulties* 30 seconds into the interview.

  • BigT||

    Reason commenters should be guest on the show

    WARTY!!

  • Trials and Trippelations||

    Thanks for bringing Warty up now we'll never get invited to the show

  • SweatingGin||

    I'd be satisfied with a Gillespie post on the Warty Hugeman Epic.

  • BigT||

    The internet feed is about 30 seconds behind the cable broadcast. It's frustrating.

  • SweatingGin||

    2 Minutes Hate Scor Card:
    ---
    Episiarch: 2
    "Dry Gin Wet Farts": 1
    GILMORE: 1
    "Francisco d Anconia": 1

  • Matt Welch||

    The important thing is that it's not a competition.

  • SweatingGin||

    Of course it's not. Definitely not a competition. No score card. We're definitely not betting on this in the morning link, and definitely wouldn't cut you in on the action for throwing it one way or the other.

  • Trials and Trippelations||

    I think if you find Matt's car your odds of winning would greatly increase

  • ||

    Now it's even more of a competition...and I'm winning!

    (slides a fifty over to Matt)

  • GILMORE||

    WHUT?! I wasn't watching! GO BACK?!!

  • GILMORE||

    You know, I have no hate in my heart.

  • SweatingGin||

    Oh, and I'm about 90% sure "Dry Gin Wet Farts" was Mary, after everyone had gone to bed.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Wow, Richard Cordray, the head of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, is a contestant on Jeopardy!'s Tournament of the Decades.

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    What is this 2 minutes of hate? I shut the show off a 9:57 to avoid Lou. You can never be too safe when dealing with Lou.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    Bad call.

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    I'm still new at this Independents thing, give me a break

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    The live stream I'm seeing isn't very live.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    They said the next one would be Tuesday. They said that yesterday. When it was TUESDAY. Who the fuck knows.

  • kibby||

    It's not every night, r-tard.

  • ||

    That was uncalled for, dude.

    (looks up, sees FoE)

    Sorry, never mind.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I disagree.

  • kibby||

    You can disagree all you want, but it won't make a live stream aftershow magically appear, now will it?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Agree to disagree.

  • SweatingGin||

    Berating Matt enough might?

  • kibby||

    You people are like leeches.

  • Killaz||

    We release the humors, you mean?

  • kibby||

    That was very clever. You get a prize!

  • SweatingGin||

    I saw 'K' sweater, and ran away. 23 hours old is too much.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    That was a pretty good Live Stream After Dark episode, though. The North Korea guy was interesting.

  • GILMORE||

    I was too busy doing a you-Tube Rap-Medley...

    does anyone recall what tasty bit of hating hate was deemed hateful enough to make the cut? Am curious.

    Next time I'll actually try.

  • Trials and Trippelations||

    Something about pancreatic cancer

  • GILMORE||

    don't worry Epi got me

  • ||

    Now that you're within one point of me, you might want to watch your back before I really "get you".

    (sharpens knife)

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    I didn't get a chance to watch the show. So what did I miss?

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    kibby didn't like Matt's hair.

  • kibby||

    Matt didn't like Matt's hair either.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Matt's hair doesn't like Matt's hair.

    What else is new?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    *after a quick glance at your tumblr*

    You a Classics major, kibby?

  • kibby||

    I am indeed.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Salve! I actually have within arm's reach of me Orberg's Lingua Latina per se Illustrata. Have you ever used that textbook?

  • kibby||

    Salve, amice! I have not -- we used (& I'm currently going through & doing again) the Oxford course with its hysterically bad drawings.

    That book looks way more useful than what I have!

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    As someone who studies language pedagogy, I really like Orberg in that he attempts to teach Latin as one would learn a "modern" language with an immersive method. I never used the Oxford course, but I did use Cambridge's Reading Latin and Reading Greek series, back in the day. There are no drawings whatsoever in those texts and they are dry as a bone!

  • kibby||

    That seems like a logical way to teach it -- I know there is a big push to make speaking in Latin & Ancient Greek classes more common, which is something I wish we'd done more of.

    The only modern language I've taken since high school was filled with heritage speakers who already spoke Persian pretty fluently, but couldn't read or write it. I constantly felt like I was miles behind in that class.

  • GILMORE||

    I took spoken latin in HS for 3 years.

    results? well, I can still read/quote Cicero but that's probably because I memorized it. In fact I memorized the first 20 @#*$@ pages of the textbook we used and just tried googling the first few sentences to find the book, and WHAMMO = what do we get? Some punk ass kid trying to cheat on his goddamn homework!

    http://answers.yahoo.com/quest.....158AAEwAJv

    Ecce, Romani! was the book (I think there were 3 volumes of that) then we did cicero, then some other stuff...

    I'm still pissed about that little cheat now.

  • kibby||

    I never understood how teachers didn't get super pissed about that. If I do change my mind about this Masters thing, I'm going to be such a mean Latin teacher!

    Nobody is FORCING you to take it, at least not in college, so take something else if you're not going to put in the effort.

  • Killaz||

    Haven't watched it yet, but from the description above . . . hmm, a point of view twice vicariously removed probably wont help.

  • Matt Welch||

    Watch the repeat at midnight! It was a good one!

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Midnight? That interferes with my vampire LARP. Though, this week I guess we could all pretend we're a bunch of libertarian vampires getting together to watch cable TV.

  • SweatingGin||

    Wednesday, already?!?

  • Killaz||

    I tape them so my nephew can watch them when he gets in late. He woke me up in the middle of the night laughing at the BYU segment.

  • Bam!||

    Tapes still exist?

  • Killaz||

    In the verb form, why yes.

  • kibby||

    Yes they do. *desperately clutches VHS of The Nona Tapes*

  • Killaz||

    Last time I used tape to record, it was the X-File episode where the !!!!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!! Lone Gunmen are killed off. !!!!!!END OF SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!! I have yet to watch it. Though, now I have no devices to watch it on.

  • SweatingGin||

    I can't remember for sure what I last recorded (probably DS9? But maybe X-Files). But given that my last VCR was stolen after that, there's a non-zero chance that it was the same thing.

  • Raven Nation||

    Well, embarrassingly, I still use a VCR.

  • SweatingGin||

    Somebody broke into my college house, moved the DVD player, and took the VCR. Early 2k's.

    Aside from them leaving the VCR remote and stealing a diffrent one, not a big loss.

  • SweatingGin||

    Somebody broke into my college house, moved the DVD player, and took the VCR. Early 2k's.

    Aside from them leaving the VCR remote and stealing a diffrent one, not a big loss.

  • Sevo||

    Shoulda been a Brisco County Jr. episode!

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Buzzfeed summarizes rape culture

    The “Friend Zone”

    This is the idea that a “nice guy” can be put into a sexless friend zone by a woman close to him who unfairly doesn’t realize he’s the perfect romantic partner for her. The friend zone narrative puts the focus on sex as a reward.

    Couple this with the fact that according to the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network, approximately two-thirds of rapes are committed by someone known to the victim, and suddenly the idea of a friend secretly pining after a girl and also being unable to respect her personal boundaries isn’t so romantic.

    Blogger Kevin Beirne has an excellent breakdown of how the friend zone leads to rape culture:

    The friend zone myth is dangerous and insulting because it perpetuates the idea of women as a prize or a reward for being “nice”. It dehumanises women in a way that is more subtle than cat-calling, and this is why so many people fall for it. I fell for it too, when I was younger.

    This is just one section among others.

    False Rape Accusations
    [snip]
    The reality of “false rape” accusations is clear: That a woman would lie to law enforcement is both statistically low and hard to prove. The FBI has called attempts to organize it under one statistic meaningless. There is no formal record of false–or unfounded–rape accusations but they do happen, just not often

  • GILMORE||

    "Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network"

    What channel is that on Comcast?

    (runs)

  • Anonymous Coward||

    This is the idea that a “nice guy” can be put into a sexless friend zone by a woman close to him who unfairly doesn’t realize he’s the perfect romantic partner for her. The friend zone narrative puts the focus on sex as a reward.

    Couple this with the fact that according to the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network, approximately two-thirds of rapes are committed by someone known to the victim, and suddenly the idea of a friend secretly pining after a girl and also being unable to respect her personal boundaries isn’t so romantic.

    Sorry, but this logic chain has a gap. Even assuming that 2/3 of women who are raped are raped by someone known to them, pay attention to the word choice. "Someone known to them" =/= "friend." There could be spousal rape, significant other rape, even family rape.

    Good job though, Buzzfeed, trying to propigate that Second-Wave slander than all men are just rapists lying in wait.

  • Calidissident||

    Or just acquaintance rape.

    Also, am I the only one who seems to have encountered a very different definition of "friend zone" than the one feminists seem to have encountered? In my experience, it simply means a person (usually a guy, but could be a girl) is romantically interested in a friend, and their friend doesn't reciprocate. I've never met anyone who thought that being in the friend zone meant one was entitled to sex or that the person they liked was obligated to like them.

  • SweatingGin||

    Motorhead on a bump got me jumping around various metal on youtube, and I ended up on Metallica in Antarcica.

    Which is not bad. But really, where the fuck Ozymandias? Obviously Rorschach is already dust.

  • GILMORE||

    Metallica will do Coke commercials when Hell freezes....!

    oh.

  • RishJoMo||

    lol, way funny when you think about it.

    www.Anon-Works.tk

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