Reminder to the Rest of the Summit of the Americas Attendees: Canada Has No Interest in Legalizing Drugs

The Summit of the Americas had its first day and headlines are still stressing the drug war as the hot issue. But Obama really wants to talk economy and free trade stuff. Still, several of the 30-plus leaders of countries represented at the meeting become deliciously outspoken in their desire to either end, dial down, or just talk about changing drug war policy throughout the Americas in the last few months and years. So what's up with that, Northern-Americans?

Well, again, the U.S. does want to talk about the issue, paraphrases canada.com, "if only to "demystify" decriminalization as an option and show that such a move would backfire and make matters worse." It's not certain whether this refers to Vice President Joe Biden's bold March statement that "there is no possibility the Obama/Biden administration will change its policy on legalization" which is not exactly rich in enlightening detail about how exactly things would be made worse by reining in prohibition.

But Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper wants to talk about how much he doesn't want to legalize, too. And he recently had his communications director offer up this decisively pro-prohibition quote:

"The prime minister would be a strong voice in that debate," said Andrew MacDougall. "The government's strategy is, in fact, completely in the opposite direction.

"A key priority for us is to fight illicit drugs, particularly the transnational organizations that are behind the drug smuggling. Here at home, we have put in place tough new laws to crack down on these groups, to put drug dealers behind bars where they belong."

Canada, which once looked as if it were going to charge ahead in the liberalization of drug policies, has been taking too many pages out of the U.S. guidebook. Though some former Canadian health officials have pleaded for drug policy sanity, the country seems headed in a mandatory minimums for drug crimes (which are included in Canada's 2012 C-10 crime bills) sort of a direction. Canada did just allow medical marijuana patients to consume their medicine in more varied fashion, though, so that's a minor hurrah step. But when two-thirds of North America has no interest in legalization, that doesn't bode well for the summit as a success story. 

It's just a pity that while Latin America moves forward on the drug war problem, Canada moves backwards, and the U.S. doesn't move at all (at least not federally, where it ultimately matters).

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    IT'S A KITTY!!!

  • Pham Nuwen||

    You call that a kitty?

  • PantsFan||

    I'm sure the Liberal Party of Canada is going to make legalazation an issue at their upcoming leadership convention.

  • grrizzly||

    Only when a party that used to be the natural ruler of the country for the last 100 years is destroyed in the last election. And lost for the third time in a row. And has no plausible way back to power whatsoever. (Do they even have candidates west of Manitoba?) Only then they consider some form of soft drug legalization.

  • Sevo||

    So they'll beat that drum during the election and then blow it off?
    Hmmm. Sounds familiar....

  • Sevo||

    "Here at home, we have put in place tough new laws to crack down on these groups, to put drug dealers behind bars where they belong."

    It really does work so well, so why change directions?
    Pretty sure no Canadian uses drugs. And there's no Canadians wasting money in jail for having some dope.
    Right?

  • Killazontherun||

    Rest assured, anyone who sells dope in fair Canada could only be of the vilest demeanor. Skinheads who mouth off illegal derogatory words at protected races, classes, genders, and wildlife. Owners of fringe black market noodle shops who refuse to serve maple syrup with their lo mien. Pirate radio operators who would rather play gruesome American metal instead of native Canadian folk music honoring everyday struggles with grooming appliances faced by all Canucks. Only mountebanks who smoke their wicked dope and snort their ugly American blow defying all that is oh Canada rot in Canadian jails.

  • LarryA||

    You missed "gun owning."

  • Killazontherun||

    I'm missing my comment that you commented on. WTF?

  • Killazontherun||

    I put a little effort in it editor assholes I expect it to stay put. Shit list, Lucy.

  • Hyperion||

    FUCK Canuckistan!

    Canuckistan must be taking lessons from those authoritarian fucktard limeys across the pond. Not that our own looney bin drug war has subsided.

    In the meantime, Portlandians and Seattleites keep going up north for some VC bud.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    Portlandians and Seattleites keep going up north for some VC bud.

    You hit one key too far left.

  • Hyperion||

    Is there a way to user HTML on this site?

  • Hyperion||

    or to edit your own fucked up posts?

  • Sevo||

    No.
    Hit "preview" and proof.

  • Hyperion||

    That only works before 5 beers.

  • R||

    Basic html works. Can't edit, though.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Alt Text Redux: Two Canadian Pussies

  • ||

    good one :)

  • Hyperion||

    Of course Obama is not interested in talking about ending the draconian drug war. It's election time and he doesn't want to offend his criminal buddies in the DEA.

    The authoritarians from Canuckistan have an excuse, they are suffering from permafrost on the brain.

    Not sure why the Brazilians had to elect their own current authoritarian fucktard in cheif Dilma the Dildo. I always feel much, much more free and liberated when I am in Brazil than in this United Police Fucktard States of America.

    I love Reason.com. I would have been banned from any other political site already for speaking the truth tonight, with much colorful language included.

  • ||

    Of course Obama is not interested in talking about ending the draconian drug war. It's election time and he doesn't want to offend his criminal buddies in the DEA.

    Or maybe Obama is just a statist fuck who supports the drugwar?

  • Hyperion||

    true that

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    I think Obama's just a dick who doesn't have a strong opinion either way, and likes to laugh at potheads rather than think hard about the issue in any way.

  • Hyperion||

    The only thing that Obama thinks hard about is his next vacation on the tax payer dime, or probably even harder about how to avoid Michelle at any time possible.

  • LarryA||

    All of the above.

  • SAL||

    Much more free and liberated in Brazil? You certainly don't pay your taxes here, neither buy anything other than food here, neither use public transportation... I'm Brazilian and I'm offended by your statement.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    The only thing cheap in Brazil is food. Everything else is fucking expensive. Including paying off cops.

  • SAL||

    That's exactly what I meant

  • SIV||

    But when two-thirds of North America has no interest in legalization, that doesn't bode well for the summit as a success story.

    Homeschooling doesn't teach geography?

  • Hyperion||

    As you well know, we ( The US ) will try to bully them into our way of thinking, geography aside.

    Their biggest problem south of the US border is Dilma, another authoritarian wannabe in the mold of Obama and the Canadian fucks. My wife is giving me dirty looks for writing this right now, but she knows it is true (:

  • Lucy Steigerwald||

    I meant the big countries. You know, Canada is the hat and Mexico is the socks of the U.S.?

  • Hyperion||

    Lucy, Brazil is going to have as much effect, imho, as any of the NA countries. Probably a lot more than Canada or Mexico for sure.

  • Lucy Steigerwald||

    Shame Brazil doesn't seem jazzed about legalization, either.

  • Hyperion||

    Yes, it is a real shame. The current admin in Brazil has about the same attitude as our current admin.

  • SIV||

    Greenland is, by area, the world's largest island that is not a continent.

    And thanks to a Dead White Male it looks even BIGGER

    Oh!...the Mapism!

  • PantsFan||

    Peters Map FTW

  • ||

    Unless you're trying to navigate to Australia.

  • ||

    Meh, the whole continent thing is pretty arbitrary with North America, just like it is with "Oceania." I think soccer gets it right with CONCANAF (North, Central American and Caribbean). It's perfectly appropriate to refer to Mexico, the US and Canada as North America.

  • SIV||

    It's perfectly appropriate to refer to Mexico, the US and Canada as North America.

    Good luck passing the Foreign Service exam with that exclusionary attitude.

    Central America is North America.

  • ||

    A test for government lackeys is your appeal to authority?

  • Night Elf Mohawk||

    Homeschooling doesn't teach geography?

    Yeah, just not necessarily that way. I teach Central America and the West Indies separately from the Big 3 in North American, even if they are technically on the North American continental plate.

    Even your own link says "This list uses the most inclusive definition of North America, which covers the landmass north of the Panama-Colombia border, and the islands of the Caribbean..." It's the "most inclusive," not only definition.

  • Hyperion||

    Who cut your hair, dude?

  • PantsFan||

  • Hyperion||

    Germans are strange. And they like mustard.

  • Marty Feldman's Eyes||

  • Name Nomad||

    But sometimes strangely awesome. Of course, everyone knows that the Finns indisputably make the best music worldwide, but the Germans can still try sometimes.

  • General Butt Naked||

    I google-translated "leider geil" and it came back "unfortunately horny".

    ???

  • Name Nomad||

    "Sexy" in German is slang for "cool" or "awesome."

  • ||

    The French are doing fine.

  • Brian from Texas||

    Screw Canada! They're not even a real country anyway!

  • Hyperion||

    You are really mean. Just because they all live in igloos and subsist on whale blubber does not mean they do not have feelings too!

  • PantsFan||

    You're on to us.
    We also have a strange currency.

  • Hyperion||

    Sandy McTire? Whoaaa, Canadians are even more fucked up than I knew...

  • Hyperion||

    But not as fucked up as Undercover FBI Agent.

  • Hyperion||

    And afterwards, we give the puppies to Republicans, who then throw them in a wood chipper. Democrats show up to stop these atrocities of course, but we put an evil vodoo curse of stupidity on them. Just look what we did to Biden. Bwahhahhahhaaaaahhaaaa....

  • Hyperion||

    Which one really fucked him up, Syracuse, or becoming VP? He is obviously suffering from some sort of advanced dementia. Either that or Syracuse lets retards graduate.

  • ||

    He was fucked up long before he became VP. His Senatorial career was teh awesum as entertainment.

  • ||

    Canadian Tire money used to be the same size as Bank of Canada bills. This gave rise to the Cabbagetown bankroll a twenty dollar bill wrapped around a wad of Canadian Tire money.

    Another, probably apocryphal, story has it that after going through the wallet of a Canadian tourist they had mugged in Acapulco the robbers gave back the real Canadian money and kept only the Mexican money and his Canadian Tire money.

  • ||

    What do you expect, with their beady eyes and flapping heads?

  • ||

    O, Canada.

  • Hyperion||

    Blame Canada! Invade them now, they have to have some oil somewhere under all of that frozen tundra!

  • PantsFan||

  • Hyperion||

    GD, that is distrubing

  • PantsFan||

    That is Sir Patrick Moore, former president of the Royal Astronomical Society and host of the BBC Program "The Sky At Night"

  • Formerly Almanian||

    That dude is the definition of "sausage fingers". Jesus H fer fuck's sake Christ.

  • ||

    No, it's the length of his zipper that is challenging my view of the universe.

  • Hyperion||

    You're freakin out dude...

  • Hyperion||

    Is this the point that we are supposed to start taking you seriously?

    Although I am going to start wearing a monocle now, thanks for the idea...

  • PantsFan||

    psst. It's Mary.

  • Hyperion||

    Can he just wack off now and get over it then? He's screwin up the posting margins (:

  • Formerly Almanian||

    OT: watched "Sugarland Express" this AM. Hadn't seen it in years. What a GREAT movie. Didn't realize it was SPielberg. I'd like to see "Duel" again, too - another one of his, as I recall.

    And tonight - "Brother Where Art Thou?" which I've never seen. Love the Coen bros. And the music in this movie? Holy shit - worth it just for that!

    Happy Saturday AM, Reasonoids. Gambol your hearts away, you sassy savages.

  • PantsFan||

    O Brother Where Art Thou? I love the soundtrack to that movie

  • Hyperion||

    O Brother where art Thou is a great flick, but Clooney is a commie pinko

  • Hyperion||

    This is a family site you know. Please leave your smut at the door.

    Did you know that the Chzech Republic drinks more beer per capita than any country on earth?

  • PantsFan||

    I'M TRYING

  • Hyperion||

    NOT HARD ENOUGH! Just remember, when Obama lies, DRINK!

  • ||

    You do realize therein lies the way to alcohol poisoning very, very quickly?

  • Marty Feldman's Eyes||

    From what I observed there, every last man, woman, and child there was having a beer at lunch. I assume they were trying to drink away the sorrow at having their beers bought by shitty international beer inc.

  • PantsFan||

    LA Kings go up 2 games to none on the evil Vancouver Canucks.

  • Hyperion||

    Why are we playing games with these commies? We know they have oil! Ready the invasion force now!

  • Ted S.||

    The yinzers are down 2-0 as well. The only bad thing is it means Philadelphia is up 2-0. Can't both teams lose?

  • PantsFan||

    How was that a response?

  • LarryA||

    ["there is no possibility the Obama/Biden administration will change its policy on legalization"]

    Don't look now, but you already did. Your memory might not go back to all those campaign promises, but mine does.

  • Hyperion||

    Sure, Libertarians remember. Liberals seem to have either very short term or selective memory.

  • ||

    That's weird, there was a bunch of gamboling vermin crap a few minutes ago. I noticed Cavanaugh's TARP thread got fumigated as well. How come Tucille's P.M. Links thread hasn't been cleaned up? Hey squirrelz, you do know that Henry Tudor and UFBIA are using the same address?

    I see the Reason squirrelz are on the job!

  • Killazontherun||

    They cut a couple of comments of mine, and I damn well not Mary.

  • ||

    Were you, as sevo would say, "extolling the virtues of eating lichen?"

  • Killazontherun||

    Nay, on one, I asked Mary to count the scars on her wrist for me, the other I listed the kind of mountebanks that would sell dope in fair Canada. For the former, I don't care so much, a mean remark aimed at a low mean person, but the later was fucking crafted prose; I listed 'black market noodle shops that refuse to serve maple syrup with their lo mien.' Obviously, if Lucy were around twelve hundred years ago she would have been the kind of philistine who would have burned down the library of Alexandria. So much beauty lost to the world due to tiny little minds.

  • Killazontherun||

    Well, wha' ya know, it's back. My bitching worked for once. I'm gonna see if I can get my wife to make me a sandwich now she is home from work. Might be my lucky day!

  • ||

    Well, nowhere did I see any reference to scarfing down lichen in that poetry in ranting motion. Well done.

  • Killazontherun||

    I was about to reword Rutger Hauer's soliloquy from Blade Runner to my own ends to push the point further, but then I got my way.

    BTW, the wife said to kiss her ass, so no go with the sammich.

  • ||

    Well, thank Lucy for the former. As for the wifey, I don't know what to tell you.

  • ||

    Never mind, Tucille's thread is cleaned up too!

    I see Reason is not fucking around with gamboleers!

    Thanks squirrelz!

  • ||

    Huzzah!

  • Marty Feldman's Eyes||

    and the U.S. doesn't move at all (at least not federally, where it ultimately matters)

    I would love to see federal drug policy attempted to be enforced without the help and support of local law enforcement.

    No stats so I'm talking out my ass, but I'd wager a large sum that a majority of drug related arrests and incarcerations are not executed by feds.

    It's not California PD who are raiding dispensaries. Californians are fighting the scourge the old fashioned lefty way- through zoning ordinances.

  • ||

    you are correct. the vast majority of arrests and prosecutions happen within the state jurisdiction (state, county, etc.)

    substantially more.

    especially true of end users.

  • Alice Bowie||

    KEEP DOPE ALIVE...

    HERE. There. EVERYWHERE!!!

  • James Gierach||

    PRES. OBAMA DEAD WRONG ON DRUG LEGALIZATION

    Pres. Obama is dead wrong about the legalization, regulation and control of dangerous drugs. The WAR ON DRUGS (drug prohibition) is the policy that is killing Mexicans and other Latin Americans by the tens of thousands, killing teens in Kenosha, WI (heroin ODs), and killing kids in Chicago, L.A., NY, across America, and around the world in gang turf-wars and cartel competition over the control of black-market drug distribution and sales.

    Prohibition is the drug policy of AL CAPONE, the United Nations, and the drug cartels of the world. To oppose drug legalization and the control of dangerous drugs is to side with and support drug cartels and street gangs. Historically, politicians (Democrats and Republicans alike) have sold the public PROHIBITION SNAKE-OIL in exchange for votes and re-election. Barack Obama is up for re-election. But the David Axelrod’s, Karl Rove’s, Barack Obama’s and Mitt Romney’s of the world had better wake up. (Note: Ending torture, concluding wars, killing bin Laden, saving the US auto industry, taking a stab at healthcare reform, reviewing Bush tax cuts for the richest of the rich as the middle class shrinks are all positive initiatives, but…) The people of the world are on to them.

  • James Gierach||

    The people of the world know that the war on drugs is PUBLIC ENEMY NO. 1. The people of the world overwhelmingly judge the drug war a dismal failure. Sadly, lethally, the drug policy of the U.S. has become the drug policy of the United Nations, encapsulated in three U.N. prohibitionist treaties just reaffirmed on motion and resolution of the U.S. at the 55th Session of the U.N. Commission on Narcotic Drugs held in Vienna in March. That killer policy cements the member nations of the world into a suicidal pact, moaning and bellowing in a “single, unified voice,” chanting “zero tolerance” and “prohibition forever” even if it kills us, and that’s just what it’s doing.

    We, U.S. citizens and responsible citizens of the world, must join the courageous leaders of Latin America who for the first time exhibit the wisdom, courage and leadership to call out the KILLER WAR ON DRUGS and dare to call for a transition from world drug prohibition to world drug decriminalization, legalization, taxation, and the control of dangerous drugs.

  • Malcolm Kyle||

    An appeal to all Prohibitionists:

    Most of us know that individuals who use illegal drugs are going to get high - no matter what, so why do you not prefer they acquire them in stores that check IDs and pay taxes? Even if we could afford to put Narcs on every single corner, at least half of them would soon become dealers themselves. Gifting the market in narcotics to ruthless criminals, foreign terrorists and corrupt law enforcement officials is seriously compromising our future.

    Maybe you're a police officer, a prison guard or a local/national politician. Possibly you're scared of losing employment, overtime-pay, the many kick-backs and those regular fat bribes. But what good will any of that do you once our society has followed Mexico over the dystopian abyss of dismembered bodies, vats of acid and marauding thugs carrying gold-plated AK-47s with leopard-skinned gunstocks?

    Kindly allow us to forgo the next level of your sycophantic prohibition-engendered mayhem.

    Prohibition Prevents Regulation : Legalize, Regulate and Tax!

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